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Post by auntym on Jul 20, 2011 23:49:44 GMT -6
www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/cylon-raider-or-algae-swedish-booze-hunters-may-have-made-the-ufo-find-of-the-century/story-fn5fsgyc-1226098833887 Cylon Raider or algae? Swedish booze hunters may have made the UFO find of the century[/color] * From: news.com.au * July 21, 2011 9:29AM Team Ocean Explorer said this image shows 300m "drag marks". Picture courtesy Ocean Explorer/Peter Lindberg Source: Supplied * Disc found on sonar is 20m wide * Team claims it has moved 300m A SWEDISH team searching for booze on the bottom of the ocean may have found a UFO instead. The Ocean Explorer team made several million dollars back in 1997 when it located the wreck of the trade ship Jonkoping. On board was a consignment of 1907 Heidsick Monopole Gout Americain, the corks of which were popped late last year after wine buffs snapped up the bottles for around $13,000 apiece. That's kept Ocean Explorer team leader Peter Lindberg in the deep-sea suds search business ever since, but nothing he's found has caused as much controversy as a circle that turned up on a sonar survey on June 19. Mr Lindberg didn't say much about it at the time apart from releasing the image and ruling out theories that it may be a land mine or algae bloom. Obviously, that didn't generate enough attention, so now, after further examination, Mr Lindberg has gone public with some more details about the dimensions of the disc. "At 87m down, between Sweden and Finland, they saw a large circle, about 60 feet in diameter," he told local media last week. "You see a lot of weird stuff in this job but during my 18 years as a professional I have never seen anything like this. "The shape is completely round … a circle." Mr Lindberg said the team has also noted what they say could possibly be tracks running some 300m up to where the disc lies. The team claims the tracks show the object has moved, either on or since settling to the ocean floor. CONTINUE READING: www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/cylon-raider-or-algae-swedish-booze-hunters-may-have-made-the-ufo-find-of-the-century/story-fn5fsgyc-1226098833887#ixzz1SiQf3fBz
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Post by swamprat on Jul 30, 2011 8:34:18 GMT -6
MSNBC
UFO found on ocean floor?
Swedish explorer reports circular anomaly, but is it a 'flying saucer'? By Benjamin Radford updated 7/29/2011 1:14:08 PM ET An ocean exploration team led by Swedish researcher Peter Lindberg has found what some are suggesting is a crashed flying saucer. Lindberg's team, which has had success in the past recovering sunken ships and cargo, was using sonar to look for the century-old wreck of a ship that went down carrying several cases of a super-rare champagne. Instead, the team discovered what it claims is a mysterious round object that might (or might not) be extraterrestrial. Lindberg explained to local media that his crew discovered, on the 300-foot-deep ocean floor between Finland and Sweden, "a large circle, about 60 feet in diameter. You see a lot of weird stuff in this job, but during my 18 years as a professional I have never seen anything like this. The shape is completely round." Adding to the mystery at the bottom of the Gulf of Bothnia, Lindberg said he saw evidence of scars or marks disturbing the environment nearby, suggesting the object somehow moved across the ocean floor to where his team found it. It's not clear what to make of this report, or the video of the sonar scan that shows the object, but Swedish tabloids and Internet UFO buffs have had a field day. Some suggest the object is a flying saucer of extraterrestrial origin (and the seafloor scars were dug up when it crashed), though of all the things that might create a round sonar signature, that seems to be among the more outlandish. It might be a natural feature formation, or possibly a sunken, round human-made object. Lindberg's claim that the object "is perfectly round" may or may not be accurate; while it looks round from the information so far, the resolution of the sonar image was not high enough to verify that it is indeed round. And while the lines that appear to be leading to (or from) the feature may suggest some sort of movement, it's also possible they have nothing to do with the object. Lindberg himself did not suggest that it was of extraterrestrial origin, though he did speculate that it might be a "new Stonehenge." Lindberg said his team has neither the interest nor the resources for further investigation of the anomaly. Deep ocean research is time-consuming and expensive. If the object were indeed a flying saucer, recovering it could be worth millions or billions of dollars. If it's a natural formation, on the other hand, it would probably be a waste of time and money. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43945692/ns/technology_and_science-science/
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Post by skywalker on Jul 30, 2011 8:52:27 GMT -6
I'm sure whatever it is won't be there for long. Somebody is going to go over there and grab it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 19:45:46 GMT -6
A lot of media has picked this up..lo and behold not all of them UFO magazines. It's at a depth of 300 ft so there shouldn't be much of a problem 'researching' it and retrieving it if it's something to be retrieved. Peter Lindberg never even hinted that it could be a UFO..that was supplied by media..but he did speculate it could be like another Stonehenge. I hope they keep it public
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Post by skywalker on Jul 30, 2011 21:43:09 GMT -6
How could a Stonehenge monument be under 300 feet of water? I don't think they had Scuba suits thousands of years ago. They have found some Stonehenge type circles under shallow water but they were close to the shore not hundreds of feet down. I wish I could go over there and dive down and see what it is. That would be so cool to be the first person to find out.
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Post by paulette on Jul 30, 2011 21:56:42 GMT -6
Sure looked round - but not smooth and round.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 23:20:14 GMT -6
Well maybe it wasn't underwater when it was built..guess anything's possible.
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Post by lois on Jul 30, 2011 23:35:55 GMT -6
That could be anything, maybe man-made.. Look at the arena's in ancient Rome. Imagine viewing one of them from the sky in those days..
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2011 4:38:18 GMT -6
Years ago there was a hoax story by a dive salvage company about a crashed UFO and a F-89 Scorpion jet interceptor down at the bottom of Lake Michigan. The November 1953 Kinross incident. ringsidereport.com/?p=10198It was a suspected ploy to get money from backers to finance an expedition. The sonar images turned out to be fabricated. James Carrion, then Mufon ID exposed the hoax. When exposed, the Dive company website disappeared, the Canadian goverment wished the location. The Kinross incident involved an interceptor did not return from a scramble to investigate an anomalous radar return over Lake Michigan. This situation seems different. The Exploration team seems to be sharing the location information to the world...so others could identify later it appears. They just reported the unusual shape, the media taking it much farther at that point. 300 feet is very deep for divers, but it has been done with elaborate means. It would be easier & safer first to have a ship lower a camera ROV (how they found the Titanic), and do a much closer preliminary look. Glancing in comparison, the Kinross image looks grainy, like sand in a aquarium, while the Baltic sea side scan seems to look much more authentic? Steve Baltic shape -2011 Kinross 2006
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 12:16:46 GMT -6
I would call it a uso(unidentified submerged object).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 14:18:35 GMT -6
I would call it a uso(unidentified submerged object). ;D
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2011 22:33:54 GMT -6
Could it be a concrete plug over a former floating oil drill rig site? The trail behind perhaps sediment disturbed by the artifact from sea floor currents? But I would think other evidence of such a derrick would be self evident in the vicinity too, along with the position able to be verified by the oil company. The chances slim...could it still be a natural rock outcrop? A wreak of an old Czarist Russian monitor named 'Novgorod'? www.cityofart.net/bship/ru_novgorod.htmlSteve
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Post by auntym on Aug 1, 2011 21:16:28 GMT -6
www.aol.com/2011/08/01/underwater-ufo_n_915429.html?icid=maing-grid7 Underwater Discovery Sparks Rumors Of Crashed UFO In Baltic Sea Between Finland And SwedenBen Muessig First Posted: 8/1/11 07:31 PM ET Updated: 8/1/11 For now, it's an unidentified submerged object. But a strange circular formation deep below the Baltic Sea has sparked great excitement among UFO believers who think it might be a crashed flying saucer. While searching for shipwrecks in the waters between Finland and Sweden on June 19, a Swedish team of nautical salvagers say they uncovered a "very strange anomaly" -- a round object about 60 feet across resting about 300 feet below sea level. "You see a lot of weird stuff in this job, but during my 18 years as a professional I have never seen anything like this. The shape is completely round," Peter Lindberg, leader of The Ocean Explorer team, told the local press, according to MSNBC. The circular object -- described by Gizmodo as resembling Star Wars' Millenium Falcon -- is also trailed on one side by what appears to be a lengthy patch of displaced seabed. That has lead some UFO believer to surmise the strange circle is a wrecked UFO, which crashed onto the seafloor and left behind a path of destruction measuring some 900 feet, according to News.com. CONTINUE READING: www.aol.com/2011/08/01/underwater-ufo_n_915429.html?icid=maing-grid7Uploaded by dempaboda on Jul 4, 2011 Join the group www.facebook.com/groups/178384865554985The movie is original and comes from The Ocean Explorer team Sweden. www.oceanexplorer.seA very strange anomaly on the 19 June a very strange anomaly was found during a sonar survey of the sea floor. Peter Lindberg, the initiator of the expeditions, says that he has never seen anything like it even if he has spent hundreds of hours watching sonar images of the sea floor, "it's up to the rest of the world to decide what it is" he says. "It is not in our sphere of interest to go for this object since the e it might be nothing we can not afford spending funds just to have a look at it, even if it might be a "new" Stonehenge standing on the bottom. www.oceanexplorer.se
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Post by swamprat on Jan 25, 2012 20:03:44 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Jan 25, 2012 20:28:26 GMT -6
I remember seeing that before somewhere. I don't remember if it was on this forum or the other one. I also don't remember if we ever agreed on what it was either. I think I was leaning towards it being a natural geological formation. It will be interesting to find out what it is though.
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Post by paulette on Jan 25, 2012 21:11:27 GMT -6
I think there was a thread on Mufon or even Ufomania. It does appear roundish with cutaways. There are geological shapes that are round - diamond pipes/kimberlite, sinkholes....but not many and not likely on this scale.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 25, 2012 21:30:40 GMT -6
It could be some type of a lava intrusion or something like that. Something volcanic in origin maybe.
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Post by lois on Jan 25, 2012 22:43:27 GMT -6
Thanks Swamp... I Love these kinds of stories, History and Archeology. It makes me want to take out my detector, but it will have to wait til spring.. One will just have to wait and see on this I'm afraid. That is the way it always is. Waiting to see what you have found takes a lot out of a person..
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Post by swamprat on Jan 29, 2012 15:17:34 GMT -6
Here you go, Sky! Here is your opportunity to finance the next dive---in the name of EDGE OF REALITY FORUM! ;D 2012-01-26 A commercial opportunity out of the ordinary.Ocean X Team has found a disc shaped object on the sea floor at 85 meters depth, but what is it? Well, we do not know but your company should really not miss the chance of being highlighted in front of hundreds of millions TV-viewers when we found out. We are also looking for investors who are interested in the object and can see the potential value. For more information about investment please contact us. oceanexplorer.se/
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Post by skywalker on Jan 29, 2012 21:51:52 GMT -6
I would much rather be the one diving than financing. That would be cool!
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Post by swamprat on Jan 31, 2012 17:37:49 GMT -6
$$$$!! Where is Bigelow when we need him? UFO or Ship of Gold? Sonar Image of Anomalies at the Bottom of the Baltic. While the captain of the crew which made the discovery would like their find to be “60 meters of gold,” the finding of two huge unidentified objects at the bottom of the Baltic has made speculations run rife across the world. Added to the confusion are the facts that the discovery has been made by a company specializing in deep sea salvage. While the original finders from the Ocean Explorer company intend to return in spring when the waters are calmer, the rest of the world is moving. The diver Peter Lindberg, who made the find remarked, “I have been doing this for nearly 20 years so I have seen a few objects on the bottom, but nothing like this.” The first pictures from the deep-sea side sonar showed a 400 meters long cylinder-shaped object with about 60 meters diameter. A second pass over the object showed up another disc-like huge-something about 200 meters off the original object first caught by the sonar. The attention of the world has been drawn, because even according to the finders who are veterans at shipwreck discovery, the sizes of the objects are too big to be part of a shipwreck or of things fallen off a ship. The sonar pictures being analyzed by experts around the world have established that there is definitely something worth exploring, though the nature of the objects is yet to be established. Andreas Olsson, the Head of Archaeology at Sweden’s Maritime Museums is intrigued but reserves his judgment on whether these are natural geological formations or artificial objects. Enthusiasts, however, believe that these could be parts of an UFO or a Nazi remnant. Until more can be ascertained by the experts, the costs of a full-scale exploration cannot be justified. As expressed by Professor Andrew Lambert, an expert on maritime history from the UK, “If you want to stand in a cold shower tearing up £50 notes, go shipwrecks hunting.” Not all, of course, are so pessimistic. An American company which recently made the prize find of two British shipwrecks containing hundreds of tons of silver off the coast of Ireland are also considering the find. Mark Gordon, president of the company Odyssey Marine Exploration says that they have on their watch list, more than 100 ships lost at sea, each having value in excess of US$ 50 million. The hunt for shipwrecked treasure continues as a functioning industry because, as put by Gordon, “When you think about the fact until the mid 20th century, the only way to transport wealth was on the oceans and a lot of ships were lost, it adds up to a formula where we have billions of dollars worth of interesting and valuable things on the sea floor.” So, until the waters are calm again in the Baltic, and more becomes known, these recent findings would continue to add fuel to the claims of interest groups ranging from UFO supporters to treasure hunters. At the very least, if the mystery remains unsolved due to lack of funds, it would become food for fiction. www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/31/ufo-or-ship-of-gold-sonar-image-of-anomalies-at-the-bottom-of-the-baltic/
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Post by swamprat on Feb 1, 2012 18:19:05 GMT -6
Crystal found this article:Second 'Sunken UFO' Claim Doesn't Hold Water
Benjamin Radford Date: 01 February 2012 Back in July an ocean exploration team led by Swedish researchers found what some suggested may be a flying saucer on the sea floor. There were even skid marks behind the large object that suggested it may have moved across, or crashed on, the sea floor. While experts speculated that the object was just a glitch in the team's sonar, new reports surfaced this week that the team uncovered a second, similar object nearby. But, as the report hopped from one website to the next, one thing was missing: an image of the second object. Life's Little Mysteries contacted Peter Lindberg, who led the expedition, to get the full story, and the elusive sonar scan. The tale begins in July, when Lindberg, who has successfully recovered objects from sunken ships, announced he had discovered a strange round object at a depth of about 300 feet (about 91 meters) on the ocean floor in the Gulf of Bothnia, between Finland and Sweden. Adding to the mystery, he noted evidence of scars or marks disturbing the environment nearby, suggesting that the object may have moved across the ocean floor at some point. His claim that the object "is perfectly round" may or may not be accurate; while it looks round, the resolution of sonar image is too low to verify it. And while it's possible the lines that appear to be leading to the feature indicate movement, it's also possible they are totally unrelated. The object remains unidentified, but many experts questioned whether the sonar image was accurate to begin with. In a story that ran on the Popular Mechanics website, Hanumant Singh, a researcher with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, explainedthat the sidescan sonar Lindberg used to find the object is not very reliable. Although it's perfectly useful for finding sunken ships that have a high profile on the ocean floor, it's far less accurate for revealing flat, low formations, Singh said. Furthermore, Singh said, there was evidence the sonar was not calibrated properly. The story seemed to end there, and Lindberg said his team had neither the interest nor resources to investigate the anomaly. But interest in Lindberg's find was revived a few days ago when CNN reported that his team had found a second, similar object not far from his original discovery. CNN's Brooke Bowman claimed the original mysterious object "is not on its own down there. The ocean explorer team also found another, smaller, disc-shaped object nearby. Both show a rigid tail or drag marks more than 400 meters (about 437 yards) long. Their size and distinctive shape are generating some peculiar theories," including that it could be: Han Solo's spaceship, The Millennium Falcon, from the "Star Wars" films; Russian warships; Atlantis; a marine version of Stonehenge; a crashed flying saucer, or a plug to another world inside Earth. The announcement of a second, similar object strengthened the original claim: Although sidescan sonar is known to create false images, the likelihood that it could create two nearly identical false images is very remote. But the story takes a bizarre turn when we discover that the image of the second mysterious object used in current reports is actually a duplicate of the original sonar image. For example, the image featured at 1:13 in the CNN video clip is clearly the same image released in July. What's going on? Is there really a second saucer-shaped anomaly, and if so, where's the image of it? Lindberg told Life's Little Mysteries, "I confirm that we have found two anomalies. We did find the other anomaly approximately 200 meters [about 219 yards] from the circular find at the same sonar run." Lindberg explained why his team had not released the sonar image of the second object: "We decided not to expose that anomaly so much because there is a lot of disturbance on the sonar image when we passed it, so it's very blurry. We can see it's something but to an untrained eye it might just look like 'pea soup.'" Indeed, the second object looks almost nothing like the first; instead of the well-defined, disc-like appearance of the first object, the new one more closely resembles a lumpy eggplant or a blueberry muffin sprouting what looks like an owl's head. Still, Lindberg speculated that the two objects may be linked in some way: "There is a chance that the two anomalies had been parts of the same body from the beginning. But at the same time it might mean nothing, it might be a coincidence." It was the unusually round shape that first drew the public's interest in the first find, but it's not clear why the second feature would necessarily qualify as an anomaly — especially given the difficulty in interpreting (potentially miscalibrated) sidescan sonar images. Perhaps future exploration with better equipment will finally solve the mystery. Benjamin Radford is deputy editor of Skeptical Inquirer science magazine and author of Scientific Paranormal Investigation: How to Solve Unexplained Mysteries. His Web site is www.BenjaminRadford.com. www.space.com/14433-baltic-sunken-ufo-image.html
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Post by skywalker on Feb 1, 2012 18:44:22 GMT -6
I don't understand why somebody hasn't dived on this thing yet. It's only 300 feet down. That's not very deep. You would think that with all of the attention it has been generating that somebody would be curious about what is down there. Of course, I suppose that the attention is mainly within the UFO community. Everybody else probably just thinks it's a giant tin-foil hat.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 1, 2012 19:09:34 GMT -6
Some people claim the thing looks similar to the Mellinium Falcon from Star Wars. Does anybody see a resemblence?
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Post by skywalker on Feb 1, 2012 19:30:21 GMT -6
Some people also speculate that it might be the remains of a round Russian warship. There were actually two such things built back in the late 1800s. Here is a photo of a model of one of them. The ships were iron-clads and had very strong hulls but because of their shape they were extremely hard to maneuver. After a brief tour of duty they were relegated to being storage vessels. I know one of them was originally placed on the black sea but don't know if either of them ever sailed on the Baltic.
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Post by lois on Feb 1, 2012 23:46:41 GMT -6
Some people also speculate that it might be the remains of a round Russian warship. There were actually two such things built back in the late 1800s. Here is a photo of a model of one of them. The ships were iron-clads and had very strong hulls but because of their shape they were extremely hard to maneuver. After a brief tour of duty they were relegated to being storage vessels. I know one of them was originally placed on the black sea but don't know if either of them ever sailed on the Baltic. sky, how interesting. Never heard of a round type back this far in history. One the tiny ones which resembled tiny cigars. I believe they brought one of them up in recent years. I could not get over how small they were. It seems strange that they would be them round in shape. Why? how could it travel underwater? The first pic does resemble the star wars props, but we know it is not one of them ;D
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Post by Steve on Feb 2, 2012 5:25:44 GMT -6
These odd Russian turn of the century monitors have already been considered. These monitors were only 100 feet in diameter. Too small in comparison to the unknown object spotted on the Baltic sea floor. The Russian Novgorod never operated in the Baltic either. My guess this is a small exposed underwater lava dome from an extinct ancient volcanic vent? If so, this would be a tiny one compared to others around the world. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Feb 2, 2012 10:03:47 GMT -6
That's the explanation I am leaning towards also. We won't know for sure until somebody dives down there and takes a look, and if they don't hurry up and do it I'm going to go there and do it myself. I have no patience for this waiting nonsense.
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Post by Steve on Feb 2, 2012 16:24:43 GMT -6
Returning samples (mineral of technological) to the surface will tell the story. If a lava dome, the mineral content will reveal easily everything. I doubt a crashed UFO, every believers dream. If anything ever did crash there it would have been recovered without a trace by it's alien species long ago.
Years ago I listened to a talk by another now inactive Mufon state director about he and two others - Linda Mounlton Howe among them - looking for evidence of a huge crashed saucer in the Utah wilderness. The Google satellite photos showed something unusual (at least to them). Their theory was the object must have been too huge to remove and hide, so it was buried and camouflaged it on the spot. Many 'believers' seem to believe their own stuff. These three thought a cleverly concealed 'government agricultural station' in the desert was built over the site. They trespassed, broke into buildings at the unoccupied desert station, almost got stuck in a laundry or coal chute, thinking they would find a innocent building that had a long tunnel to the secret buried saucer.
I was appalled at what I heard, this was a high ranking Mufon assistant state director with LMH doing this. They found nothing of course. One does not trespass, or break into government property, but it reveals just how 'nuts' every unusual round shape becomes a UFO in some peoples rabid minds.
Another example is the radio tower shadow in western Australia on Goggle Earth - a triangle UFO of course to these same folks. They see UFOs in their soup.
Steve
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Post by Steve on Feb 4, 2012 5:43:50 GMT -6
"It's round!" "We finally got one..."
These wonderful films culturally are why we jump after anything round...we love these films. If it were only so. Some day the world is really going to get it's pants scared when they ever really find one of these. If that ever happens I want a scientist from the National Science Foundation and the editor of 'Nature' science magazine to eat on camera a copy of the Condon report on CNN. But until then...old science seems to hold most of the cards.
Steve
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