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Post by auntym on May 8, 2011 13:35:07 GMT -6
www.sott.net/articles/show/227534-Karla-Turner-UFO-MIlitary-Abductions-1994-Lecture Karla Turner UFO & MILITARY ABD./ 1994 LECTURE Wed, 22 Jun 1994 GoogleVideo / CLICK ON ABOVE LINK TO SEE VIDEOSThe late Dr. Karla Turner, researcher of UFO and military abductions, discusses her findings after years of personal experience and having worked closely with many abductees. Her conclusions, reported in her works Taken and Masquerade of Angels, are some of the most important to hear in the world today, but she was threatened and harassed continuously because of her work and shortly thereafter died under strange circumstances. Her books went out of print and she was forgotten and/or unknown by many in the UFO research community. Others with whom Turner worked are too afraid to speak publicly anymore. Obviously she was striking a nerve with someone (or something.) Please take the time to review Dr. Turner's work; it is monumental, and of great import for the future of human freedom. CLICK ON ABOVE LINK TO SEE VIDEOS
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 17:31:47 GMT -6
I can agree in part with what she believed..but I think it's also an example of the other extreme. It's not an issue people can remain very balanced or grounded on. Either they desperately need to believe in the benevolence of these beings or they reach the other extreme and they become soul sucking demons..bent on human destruction. Some 'romanticize' others demonize..either way..these are emotions we dredge up to deal with fears and lack of understanding. I never have felt either of those things. I can agree with manipulative to achieve their own ends as unfrictionally as possible (I just invented that word because I served my need). Just as inventing a word that works..we put characteristics onto beings we don't understand and can't possibly fathom. We claim 'kinship' to humanize them..we use sexuality to romanticize them or religion to deify them.
I was absolutely furious and terrifed when I started remembering..get hit with odd critter images and it will do that. After enough time and more input (slow rusty leaky brain) I paid attention to mannerisms and expressions I saw..and there were none. We were released with no lasting harm. If you think about it..had they been evil..they could have done much much worse than sticking us on the wrong horses.
We need to hunt a balance..find them neither bad nor good so that if and when they announce their arrival we have not totally created a mind set that either turns us against them or embraces them.
Of course the mind wanders in strange realms..and we don't know how much of a role our own minds play in this. They are not Paul the Alien or ET..but I don't think they are the V either. This is only my opinion.
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Post by auntym on Feb 11, 2014 12:26:57 GMT -6
KARLA TURNER ON ABDUCTION & GRAYS Uploaded on Jan 17, 2012 Dr. Karla Turner was murdered by the CIA for exposing the Alien Greys. A Ufological researcher whose focus was alien, military, and para-military abductions, or MAAR (Malevolent Alien Abduction Research), in this lecture she discusses her findings after years of personal experience and having worked closely with many abductees. Dr. Karla Turner was widely respected in the field of Ufology for her research on alien abduction. A brilliant scholar and professional educator, she earned a Ph.D. in Old English studies and taught at the university level in Texas for more than ten years. But in 1988, she and her husband and son endured a disturbing series of experiences and recollections that forced them to recognize that they were all abductees. Many of the abductees Dr. Turner studied had at one time or another had alien implants removed by a surgeon. Her research found that the extraterrestrials known as the Alien Greys or Grey Aliens, beings from Zeta Reticuli (a binary star system in the southern constellation of Reticulum), who identify themselves as the "Reticulans" (Lam was purportedly a Zeta Reticulian), abduct humans and take them to alien ships and alien bases that were located underground and on the ocean floor. Some abductees even reported that they were, from time to time, kidnapped by human U.S. military personnel who worked with the aliens. Dr. Turner, who was in perfect health and had no genetic history of cancers of any kind, died of an unidentifiable cancer on January 10, 1996, after being repeatedly threatened and harassed in an attempt to force her to discontinue her research. She was just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO abduction investigations have also experienced threats followed by highly unusual, fast-acting cancer. Dr. Turner's alien abduction research was published in 3 paperbacks: Into the Fringe, Taken, and Masquerade of Angels ( www.scribd.com/doc/100295685/9... ). Shortly after her suspicious and untimely death (murder), her publishing company was intimidated into halting the printing of Karla Turner's haunting conclusions about the agenda of the evil Greys, their alliance with the Illuminati, and it how it factors into the New World Order.
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Post by auntym on Apr 2, 2014 12:01:07 GMT -6
UFO's Aliens Contact - Dr. Karla Turner UFO Documentary Published on Apr 13, 2013 Dr. Karla Turner speaking about UFO's and Aliens Contact, at what would become her last MUFON convention. Dr. Karla Turner died of cancer on January 10, 1996, just a few short months after speaking at this UFO convention and being threatened for her work. She was just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO investigation have also experienced threats followed by highly unusual cancers. Several of her cases studies are now dead. Like so many things in life, that could just be a coincidence of course. Dr. Turner's books are all out of print; in addition,"Taken" and "Masquerade" are both very expensive to obtain on the used market. They also happen to be two of the most important books ever written on the UFO abduction phenomenon. If you would like to read her work but find it difficult to get a copy of her books in your price range, you can still read them by visiting the memorial site at KarlaTurner.org
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 12:45:51 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on Apr 2, 2014 15:08:35 GMT -6
in 1996, karla died at the age of 48 from cancer, from what i read on her she always believed the government gave her cancer because of her being so outspoken on military kidnappings, ufos, aliens, and government involvement with aliens... ... it is sad...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 11:41:34 GMT -6
Yes it is.
I've started and restarted her book "Taken", several times now, but can't seem to get through it. One of the first "case histories" of that book talks about a young girl being interrogated by the military, on what the "aliens" told her.
Now, if I was to look at this whole thing/phenomenon with an open mind, from every angle, I can understand the "military" angst of seeming to be left out of the loop. These things are flying in our skies, disrupting or avoiding our high tech, and then dropping in for a chat with a farmer or his children.
And, as time goes on, it increasingly becomes obvious that some military personnel know more about the situation, than other military personnel of the same country. How would you go about trying to find out more? Surely by not killing the witnesses.
This article you posted here, Aunty, states that more of those "witnesses", particularly Karla Turner's subjects (case histories), are now dead. Out of all the suspicious deaths, including Barbara Bartholic (a hypnotist involved with Karla), I hadn't heard this.
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Post by auntym on Apr 6, 2014 12:04:50 GMT -6
hi jcurio... have you read INTO THE FRINGE by karla turner... its very good... i think this is her 1st book...
her books are getting harder & harder to find...
also, google her, there's lots of interesting stuff on her...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 12:45:32 GMT -6
oops! maybe "into the fringe" is the one book I can't keep reading. . . . I think "Taken" is more her personal experience. . . . . I have found quite a bit on the web about her, ever since a good friend here (Sunbow ) told me where to find her books. Before that, it was like a hit or miss, on material about her. My favorite sites to go to about any of this stuff has been Bibliocawhatever or Ken adachi, but some of that information has also gone missing over the years. . . right now I'm just praying that my only computer won't die (6 mo. ago I had 3 working).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 12:45:48 GMT -6
oops! maybe "into the fringe" is the one book I can't keep reading. . . . I think "Taken" is more her personal experience. . . . . I have found quite a bit on the web about her, ever since a good friend here (Sunbow ) told me where to find her books. Before that, it was like a hit or miss, on material about her. My favorite sites to go to about any of this stuff has been Bibliocawhatever or Ken adachi, but some of that information has also gone missing over the years. . . right now I'm just praying that my only computer won't die (6 mo. ago I had 3 working).
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Post by paulette on Apr 6, 2014 16:45:58 GMT -6
I got about 55 minutes into this. I kept wanting to put my hand up and say - Whose breast rotted off? Whose uterus had to be removed???
And Karen herself is dead now. Of a rapid acting cancer.
I was talking to a friend today about the missing airplane and the POSSIBILITY that it was diverted to Diego Garcia Island (for whatever reason). She said, "Oh its not reasonable that the US government (or some consortium of nations) would kidnap an airplane and land it and KILL those witnesses who weren't useful. And maybe take someone away to be useful. Or maybe to be able to be reassured that everyone working on project (say the techies, some of whom were from BC)were successfully "neutralized."
And I SAID, "You didn't grow up in the USA."
And would They then throw the flight recorder into the ocean with some convincing debris? Well, they could. So I think people dying rapidly of cancer are part of a historical questionable past of the USA. Jack Ruby who shot the guy who shot John Kennedy (maybe)died before he went to trial. Or Martha Moore who was going to spill the beans on the Watergate which she overhead about from her husband - she was put in a detox center, given injections, and died shortly thereafter. Ruby got injections too - for a "cold" while in jail. These might be random coincidences. I hope so actually.
The interweaving of the US military and possible alien cooperation, or at least active debunking and damage control, continues to be an on going kicked around topic among UFOers.
This is a reason, IMO, that this site is monitored is to see if any of us who may hold tiny factual clues to a bigger picture don't put them together (and if we do - we can be dismissed or disappeared if necessary). Too many one car accidents and heart attacks alone in a house to suit me.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 8, 2014 20:16:37 GMT -6
So Jcurio is killing computers one after the other and Paulette is now a conspiracy theorist suspicious of the government. I think you guys have been hanging around me too long. BTW, I just now got my computer to start working again after three days of throwing technological temper tantrums.
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Post by paulette on Apr 8, 2014 23:23:11 GMT -6
Sigh. Conspiracy theorist - my end of life career? Oh wait...I lived through the 60's a new friend you invited over for dinner later busted you. Or the lover you took to your bed busted your friends. I don't think I made that up. There is a posting about when I lived in Austin and people are being nostalgic about how I immobilized a nark who was coming up the sidewalk to arrest the man sitting on the porch next to me by throwing a cat at him. And then convincingly asking if he was OK? That I of course did not mean to get in the way....
Granted an airplane with over 200 people aboard is a larger project. And I do hope that they take a submersible down and find the remains of people still seatbelted in and now in peace in the deeps. But even that would not be PROOF that someone didn't mess with the airplane's controls. And that it wasn't somewhere else for awhile.
If posing these thought makes me a conspriacy theorist then...I am.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 1:11:18 GMT -6
Sigh. Conspiracy theorist - my end of life career? Oh wait...I lived through the 60's a new friend you invited over for dinner later busted you. Or the lover you took to your bed busted your friends. I don't think I made that up. There is a posting about when I lived in Austin and people are being nostalgic about how I immobilized a nark who was coming up the sidewalk to arrest the man sitting on the porch next to me by throwing a cat at him. And then convincingly asking if he was OK? That I of course did not mean to get in the way.... Granted an airplane with over 200 people aboard is a larger project. And I do hope that they take a submersible down and find the remains of people still seatbelted in and now in peace in the deeps. But even that would not be PROOF that someone didn't mess with the airplane's controls. And that it wasn't somewhere else for awhile. If posing these thought makes me a conspriacy theorist then...I am. YAy! But also Paulette! You're back!! Aren't you finding that your memory is coming back?! (at least that is what you sound like to me . Not just "braver" ) Yay!!
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Post by skywalker on Apr 9, 2014 11:07:15 GMT -6
There's nothing wrong with being a conspiracy theorist, Paulette. What you suggested might have happened to the plane is no different than what I was originally thinking and given the actions of the government in the past it isn't such a far-fetched idea. If the Feds wouldn't keep doing all of those illegal things that they do and then trying to cover it up people wouldn't be so suspicious of them. BTW, I like the story about the cat.
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Post by auntym on Jun 13, 2014 11:21:32 GMT -6
evelorgen.com/wp/news/karla-turner-articles-abductions-in-the-gingerbread-house/ the late Dr. Karla Turner’s articles are back on-line at Eve Lorgen’s website, EveLorgen.com and The Alien Love Bite.June 6, 2014 Karla Turner Articles-Abductions in the Gingerbread HouseAlien Abductions in the Gingerbread Houseby Karla K. Turner, Ph.D. World renowned UFO researcher Jacques Vallee has repeatedly referred to the similarities between UFO and abduction reports and the stories of folklore and fairy tales. I disagree with Dr. Vallee on many, many points of ufology, but here I will grant that there is one fairy tale which does have something important to tell us about the alien abduction phenomenon. It is not, however, what Dr. Vallee might think. The story of Hansel and Gretel presents a lesson that every abductee should heed. These innocent children, wandering lost and frightened in the forest, came upon a gingerbread house that seemed to offer them shelter and sustenance. The owner of the house, a wizened old woman, was frightening to them at first, but their hunger pushed the children to accept her offer to come inside and be fed. They entered the gingerbread house and promptly became the old woman’s captives. Kept in cages, the two children were abundantly fed. It was not for their benefit, though. In fact, they were being fattened up for the oven! The deceptive nature of the gingerbread house and of the old woman’s offer of food worked quite well. It is the deceptive quality of this story that holds a warning for humans who are abducted by aliens. Like Hansel and Gretel, we are initially terrified by our encounter with aliens, but in too many cases, our fear is overcome by the words of our abductors and by the thoughts and experiences they present to us. I, too, am an abductee, and my quest to discover the nature of my own experiences led me into abduction research over the past four years. Working with many other abduction cases, I have learned just how basic the deception of alien actions can be. My family and I also delved into our own experiences, both past and present. Barbara Bartholic, a dedicated UFO investigator from Tulsa, Oklahoma, worked closely with us and helped us fill in the gaps in our recollections of strange encounters through hypnotic regression. Ms. Bartholic, by the way, began her own research as an assistant to Jacques Vallee in cattle mutilation investigations, so her expertise in ufology is wide-ranging. I have recently written a book, Into the Fringe, about the startling and often disturbing results of our personal investigations, and it [was] published by the Berkley Publishing Group in November 1992. CONTINUE READING: evelorgen.com/wp/news/karla-turner-articles-abductions-in-the-gingerbread-house/www.whale.to/b/turner_h.html
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