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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 11:18:16 GMT -6
Shielding the cranium does not help shield against psychic readings or psychic links..that's already been experimented with. Foil hats wouldn't be a help and they were not looking into our eyes. If we start trying to figure out how to 'take em out'... then, if and when they do get around to disclosing themselves..they're going to be up against a pre-panicked public who are thinking 'invasion' without knowing what they're up to. I can't understand that thinking or that kind of obsession.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 25, 2011 23:19:20 GMT -6
Shielding the cranium does not help shield against psychic readings or psychic links..that's already been experimented with. There's no such thing as psychic abilities. It's just a more advanced for of communication using technology. Foil hats wouldn't be a help and they were not looking into our eyes. Abductees describe that procedure as WATCHING & STARING www.newscientist.com/article/dn17762-brain-can-access-forgotten-memories.html"You can tell a lot about a person from their eyes, and now that seems to extend to memories hidden deep in the brain. By relating subtle eye movements to activity in the brain, researchers in California have shown that a structure called the hippocampus can retrieve memories of past events or experiences – even when people have no conscious recollection of them. The hippocampus is a structure near the base of the brain in a region called the medial temporal lobe. It has long been known to be involved in conscious recollection, but its role in encoding latent memories."Tin foil hats are used as ridicule but there may be something to it. People are concerned with EM radiation from cell phones. Put magnetic field shielding inside a sleeping cap or hat you wear during the day and see if that helps. Also you can try a Sleeping Eye Mask. If a UFO approaches you while driving you can put magnetic field shielding inside a welding helmet. Pull over and lock your doors. If we start trying to figure out how to 'take em out'... then, if and when they do get around to disclosing themselves..they're going to be up against a pre-panicked public who are thinking 'invasion' without knowing what they're up to. I can't understand that thinking or that kind of obsession. That's what the military does. You're always looking for threats and there is the self sustained need for conflict. Listen to Dr. Carol Rosin's testimony.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 19:10:02 GMT -6
As a matter of opinion..there are psychic abilities..I have them..Lorelei has them..Sky has them many here do. I suspect that is what draws them to those they want DNA from. This is as much conjecture as anyone else's..except for the psychic abilities. I give accurate readings for others..see snips and bits of future comings and goings and I'm a lot of fun at the race track. I was abducted and they were not staring at me...or my friend who was with me but no 2 abductions are going to be the same. There are possible patterns but not identical situations. There aren't PHD's in this field..only those who listen better than others and who use logic to weed out the foolish, the hoaxes and the wishful thinkers. There are those carefully gathering information and forming data bases..trying to make it a scientific endeavor and not rushing their premises. All we have...are our opinions..we won't know for awhile yet...what really is behind door #3. ;D When my friend and I were abducted..we were pretty young and very terrified..but while the entities were very impassive they were not menacing or vicious. The only thing lasting is my constant ear buzz. As skilled as they were..I absolutely believe that if they wanted this planet or the people..we'd be mining dilethium crystals as we speak. They 'heard' my thoughts..they found me as a child..they found me again when I was 16. What they wanted..no one knows yet and I know..I only have memory of a small part of it. One of those highly personal things you just can't quite share..thank heavens.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 27, 2011 5:24:24 GMT -6
As a matter of opinion..there are psychic abilities..I have them..Lorelei has them..Sky has them many here do. Jokelly, there's no such thing as psychic abilities. People can't read other peoples minds or bend spoons using their mind. Now your brain is electrical. Highly advanced beings can make it seem like they are communicating telepathically, they can also change your mood so your less scared. Direct a signal there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 10:59:57 GMT -6
UFO4peace, I have to disagree with you on this one and I am sure sky, jo, and lois will also disagree with you on this one.
I was at work last week and my co-worker was telling us that her husband was going to make dinner for her the next night. I said, "Hamburger helper?"
"How did you know that?" she asked me, shocked.
"I can tell you what kind too," I said, "Lasagna."
She gaped at me. All my other co-workers gaped at me too. "Yea... three cheese lasagna... he told me that a couple hours ago... wow!"
When I worked for this company before I predicted:
1) That one of my co-workers was pregnant and would have a boy before she missed her period. She did by the way.
2) That the father of that co-worker's child was still married but his wife was living somewhere else.
3) Another one of my co-workers would be moving to Texas before she even knew it.
4) I knew when an angry customer was going to come into the store and start causing trouble because I went into the back room and asked the manager if I could "hide" in her office for the next couple of minutes before he even entered the store.
5) Another one of my co-workers became pregnant and I told her she also would have a boy. She did.
6) Back when I was in college my roommate wanted a tarot card reading. Her grandfather approached me and wanted me to tell her something about her girlfriend. I told her. I then told her, "...he just said he has to go because he has to howl at the moon or something... weird..." She stared at me and started crying and told me he used to say that all the time before he passed away. I had no way of knowing that.
As a matter of fact, someone asked me for a reading last night after work... my former manager the one who I asked if I could hide in the office for a couple minutes a couple years ago because of the violent customer who DID come in as I had predicted. She wanted to know how her life was going to turn out and all of that and I told her.
If you want to be like my dad and say it's all a coincidence or luck then go ahead... but it's not. It can't be a coincidence or a lucky guess.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 12:00:49 GMT -6
I don't read minds UFP..but I do catch fragments of what people are thinking...especially my children but not limited to them and I'll be willing to bet that our uninvited 'guests' from who knows where..also use telepathy. I believe everyone has this possibility but that it doesn't develop in those who are more 'literal' minded (left brained). Even our government has tested and experimented with psychic abilities for decades. But...my objective isn't to convince you of something you don't believe. It's like believing in UFO's...either you do or you don't and everyone has that individual choice. For those of us who have grown up with this..it's second nature and sometimes more of a bother than a help. Sort of like an abduction or an encounter..until you've been there..you can't understand the emotion involved just by reading accounts of it. www.funderstanding.com/v2/educators/right-brain-vs-left-brain/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 17:45:17 GMT -6
I have to disagree also. Though ive had these psychic abilities for quite some time(since my teenage years) I guess ive been somewhat in denial of it and didnt want to admit it. This happens especially with earthquakes, but has also happened repeatedly with other events and other people throughout my life, too many to mention. It has happened right down to the minute involving people, places, and circumstances that cannot be just a coincidence .
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 27, 2011 23:49:30 GMT -6
UFO4peace, I have to disagree... lorelei, you're just a crazy female that is craving having kids.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 28, 2011 0:25:50 GMT -6
I don't read minds UFP..but I do catch fragments of what people are thinking...especially my children but not limited to them and I'll be willing to bet that our uninvited 'guests' from who knows where..also use telepathy. I believe everyone has this possibility.... UFOs to me are real physical phenomenon that is not quite understood just as a person 300 years ago would think an iPad was magic. The clairvoyant stuff is just in a persons head. If telepathy or psychic abilities were real humans would have evolved much differently but you have two ears and a vocal box. The Bushmen track animals by reading animal footprints not minds. No living creature of the planet earth can read minds or communicate with thoughts. I realize that there is a segment of UFOlogy that makes it into a religion
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Post by lois on Nov 28, 2011 0:26:40 GMT -6
I have to disagree also. Though ive had these psychic abilities for quite some time(since my teenage years) I guess ive been somewhat in denial of it and didnt want to admit it. This happens especially with earthquakes, but has also happened repeatedly with other events and other people throughout my life, too many to mention. It has happened right down to the minute involving people, places, and circumstances that cannot be just a coincidence . I'm not alone here ..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 0:50:40 GMT -6
We're a bit like a discombobulated family here with a lot in common. ;D Auntie we may not always agree...in fact sometimes it's healthy to disagree..but I know that you too have those odd little abilities and Lois does too. You're right too UFO for peace..it IS all in our heads
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Post by lois on Nov 28, 2011 1:12:36 GMT -6
Sorry ufo4 peace. It would take another 60 years to convince me..That's how long ago it all started with me in my youth. Now I thought I was crazy for most of my teens.. when they get a hold of your mind with contact you would wish you were dead .. I did.. until finally they came and made the same type of contact in 1972.. but they showed them selves at that moment by coming over me in a ship and sending down a green beam almost at my feet. My poor mind was saved from it self, but then I had to realize ufos were real and from another world. Most people today with a long history of encounters will tell you they wished they had never known the truth. I would feel this way also.. but it would mean I was still thinking my mind was way off.. I would rather know it was them.. The mind contact did not scare me in the least even though I was like walking toward the ship not feeling the ground under me and my body feel numb also. It was like I was in two places at once, but this time as I looked up at them I knew I was with them in thought. And that was the scary part in my youth.
It happen about 4 times after this event, but at the second encounter I knew they were outdoors before I went out and like wise with the next two encounters. Every single time they made my mind go into a altered state. Oh yes and I would talk to them at that very moment of onset as I knew they could hear me. They need not hear me to know my thoughts, but I talked all the while.
I had a sighting at four years old but my Mother told me it was a dream so the later mind altering I did not attribute to ufos or aliens. Most of my contact was in dreams also. this is taking it all a step farther, but it is true. If there is no psychic, how did I dream things and told my family to do this or that to get answers in my youth. I only told them as the dream had told me. It had to be the aliens or it was a psychic dream.
My brother lost a silver dollar outdoors . My grandfather had given us both one that day. I put mind awayi but my brother took his outdoors to show all his friends. When he came into the house he did not have his dollar. My Mother and I was out shopping, when we got home he was having a temper tantrum and it lasted til ten when he finally fell asleep. I slept with him and I thought poor Joseph, I wish we could find your dollar as I watched him sleep. My dream that night was I was outdoor and on a hill in front of the house. There were fall leaves everywhere. In the dream a voice said go down on the hill and look under the red leaf so I did and there was his dollar.
When I woke I wanted to go out and look but my Mother said wait till after breakfast. I ate and practically pulled her out the back door and lead her around to the front of the house, I told her as we walked in leaves to the edge of our yard which went down to the city sidewalk.. Mom there is a red leaf on the hill where the tree is growing . There was no red leaves just like in my dream. But when we got to the hill there it was just like the dream told me. She or I bent down and picked up the leaf. She could not believe, as she picked up Joe's dollar. It was a peace dollar heads up. I can still see it right this minute.
After this the dreams keep on coming, either way I knew and I always knew if the dream was true or not. Just like the earthquake dreams. I know for sure if the quake will happen or not or if the dream was not a future event.. The first quake dream I ever had was in 68 the New Madrid fault line in south eastern Mo. hit us at noon.. I knew it was going to happen . I even worn my husband before he left for work. He thought I was crazy as we never felt this quake as far North before, not in my lifetime anyway up to that point. I was 24 years old. I still dream of quakes. So it has been a good part of my lifetime..
I think the aliens are doing this some how.. Not a psychic thing. That is one thing I'm not sure about. But a mind encounter hit me before I went to sleep and I sat there til 5 am and could not stand it any longer. I knew something out doors was playing with my mind, but then I had never seen a ufo involved.
Today I'm only happy that I did find out. My parents once thought about me telling a doctor. lol.. I was never going to tell it to a stranger ever. It may of made me seem more crazy and a shrink would of mess me up more with all their ideas. So I was glad we never had to tell.
I wanted to scream to everyone when I knew the truth, but who was I ever going to tell it too???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -6
I'm always amazed to read your stories Lois.. ;D But I think something in YOU attracted them in the first place. In some way you gave off signals that intrigued them..made you worth their while. There HAS to be a reason why they seek out some and never bother with others and the only thing that makes sense to me is that some people project on a signal that they read. Maybe all who have been abducted or who have had encounters are in some 'way-back-in the-beginning' way related..share some lineage. Maybe sections of the population process on different wave lengths or maybe we just vibrate on different frequencies. There is something that sets encounter and abduction people apart. It's not blood type, not gender nor race..so to my way of thinking it has to be something of the mind and maybe long long ago we had something in common with them. But trust me Lois..something attracted you to them..it's not random or coincidental...and something has attracted us all here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 15:56:11 GMT -6
For me, sometimes it's much more than just opening a door..I crave understanding about the universe..cosmos..I beg for it to whoever is listening up there. I guess the better word is driven..to know. Cliff..it's like I lost a very important memory and I'm trying to get it back..I need to get it back. Strange things pop into my head..that I have known..angels..I've known other planets..of such indescribable beauty and I'm so sad to have forgotten that I feel myself crying for the memory...literally. Now I don't know if the entities who mugged my friend and I were in any way connected but I seriously believe they tuned into my passion..those emotions that feel wrung from the depths of my soul. I do believe in part what you were saying..I think the incidents of abduction are much more huge than anyone knows and these others..have just not remembered but I also think they will be drawn to places like unconsciously. What convinces me they 'hear' is that I was busy sobbing and praying to God to keep my parents from divorcing when I was 5..and one of them showed up. I'm pretty sure I was lojacked after that and they picked my friend and I up when we were 16. Who knows how many times after that. I've never felt they were benevolent..or malicious..just involved in a task.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 28, 2011 17:21:17 GMT -6
UFOs to me are real physical phenomenon that is not quite understood just as a person 300 years ago would think an iPad was magic. The clairvoyant stuff is just in a persons head. If telepathy or psychic abilities were real humans would have evolved much differently but you have two ears and a vocal box. The Bushmen track animals by reading animal footprints not minds. No living creature of the planet earth can read minds or communicate with thoughts. I realize that there is a segment of UFOlogy that makes it into a religion If there can be a real physical phenomenon that is not quite understood why can't there be a real psychic phenomenon that isn't understood? Or a spiritual one either for that matter? The amount of knowledge that we don't know about the universe is unbelievable. Yes, it is true that we did evolve with eyes, ears and a vocal box but those aren't our only senses. Who is to say that people don't have a psychic sense that they sometimes tune into, possibly without even knowing it. The ones who do know it, (like some of the people here), only do so because they have had personal experience with it. After that it is not so easy to dismiss. It's just like the abduction phenomenon...a person can be a rabid skeptic like I was before my abduction occurred...but after having those experiences themselves they can't just be a disbeliever anymore. I am convinced that people do have some psychic and telepathic abilities. They are more pronounced in some than in others, and they are not as developed in us as they might be in an advanced alien race but they are still there. Most people just don't want to accept it. When it happens they try to brush it off as deja vu or a dream or just a figment of an overactive imagination. The ones who have it occur on a daily basis can't keep shrugging it off forever.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 28, 2011 17:29:05 GMT -6
I also agree with everything that Jo just said...and Shami and Lorelei and all of the other experiences who are here. They aren't just making this stuff up.
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Post by lois on Nov 28, 2011 22:11:07 GMT -6
I think if we knew where exactly where we came from, it may shine some light on this. And again maybe not. Ive had my whole life to think about it. But it always take me back to four years old. That was the first I believe anyway.
Was it because our house was secluded like in its location? They had to of been interested in me as a child. What did I know then. At that age I was not interested in space at all. No matter how much you gain as an adult makes no difference, I'm sure of that now. More knowledge of ones mind has nothing to do with it.
It could be our bodies.. and make up. Who knows for sure.
Another thing I think about is two sisters and one brother has had encounters. But never so many as I can remember. Maybe the sister who is much older was contacted down in Arkansas before my parents came back to Illinois.
As my Mother had a encounter with a being down in Arkansas which came through the wall . And it had be black eyes that paralyzed her.
Could these being of followed our family to Illinois? I was born up here in Illinois after they came back. The older sister was born here before they went to Arkansas. This adds up to being handed down in families. But it still does not tell you why any certain family. No one ever had their mind played with like my but another sister before me also. But she seen no ufos she can remember. She does not trust me enough to think it was aliens playing with her mind. I have a younger sister who experience the same thing in her room and again she has not see a ufo that she knows of .
I know she was traumatized by it also. She still cannot talk about it today. She was as scared as I was and still is. It still happens to her at night. See they still watch her too. Poor thing she will not believe me. She could be relieved of a lot horrible thoughts if she did .
Being passed down does not tell what we share or have in common. Of course our genes. I have always felt it is so much more than genes. If so what gene is it that we all share?
Any thoughts?. Do we think the same . No way I'm sure of that . We are different by a mile my brothers and sisters. The rest of the family just thinks we are all crazy.
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Post by lois on Nov 28, 2011 22:20:18 GMT -6
Maybe it goes back to your ancestors .These Aliens may changed them in some way, like genetics. Or added something to the person to see how time and the off springs would be or turn out to be??
I know one thing it happens this way . who to blame .. MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER. LOL She was claravoyant
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Post by lois on Nov 28, 2011 22:34:07 GMT -6
She talked to ghost.. called on ghost. Once she even turned into some one else. Her voice had changed into a mans voice one night with family at the dinner table as she said the prayer. My own Mother witnessed it. Said she got up and walked around the table and touched everyone one on their heads. While in this strange state. She was talking to God in this state. Makes you wonder for sure. She asked God to bless each one she touched and named at the table.
She sat back down in her chair and said amen, then open her eyes and did not remember walking around the room. but she did remember asking God to bless each one of them.. Glad I never seen this event or I would of been out the door in one second.
This family took it all as . well that is grandma.. She always new the negative and positive beings. She would not associate with the negative. So maybe something was handed down to her. A lot of people think ufos and psychic people have this in common .. I don't know about that UFO 4 peace. If what she did was induced by aliens in one of her ancestors, that would be funny. As it must of backfired on the aliens.
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Post by lois on Nov 28, 2011 22:48:49 GMT -6
It was all done with her playing this organ. She brought this organ up to Illinois in the 1880s and continued to do so here in Illinois. My Mother was born here. . Her Mother would not even let my Mother go to her grandmas alone. And he Mother made sure her Mother never played it while they were there. But my Mother witness ghost once in her home while her grand ma was playing it. She told her Mother about it, my grandma... and this is why she was not allowed to go alone again.
Now my older sister got this from one of her daughters.. when she passed away. She keep it in her living room . It did not play anymore. The whole family wanted her to get rid of it but she would not. About five years ago she gave it to her son. He only wanted it for the backboard of it was so beautiful . the engraving and all into the wood. He tore the back off and hung it up on some wall in his large country home. It was only one day later when he had come into Bloomington the whole house burnt to the ground . Organ and all.
Everyone in my family was calling each other on the phone for days but said they felt so bad about my nephew losing his home but they all agree with one thing . Good ridance to the da... organ. Some said Great Grandma did not like it when he chopped it up. lol...
Now what does this have to do with aliens, could there really be any connection at all?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 22:54:16 GMT -6
Wow lois... who knows. There seems to be connections where one wouldn't normally see connections whenever "they" are concerned...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 19:50:19 GMT -6
~hugz to everyone~
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 29, 2011 23:38:55 GMT -6
This is what medical professionals have told me UFO. Five different psychiatrists have told me I'm perfectly fine... I just have "severe depression" and I have been traumatized. That's all. Nothing serious. Read: Alien 'abductees' show real symptomsIf you think all of us are out of our minds here and you don't believe what we have to say, then why are you posting your information here for us to comment on? Why do you want us to believe you and your sources if you don't believe us? Sometimes you come across a new case or good information. The thing is you have to be a fool to believe everything you read on the internet. My screen name is pigscanfly and I had a vey real experience of observing flying pigs. I swear it really happened.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 29, 2011 23:47:34 GMT -6
UFO4peace..I admire your dedication to what you believe in..have you ever considered there may be a strong reason for your beliefs? A large percentage of the population chugs along just fine giving little thought to space, let alone possible occupants. Your belief in UFO's, abductions and encounters boarders on an obsession..and you defend it that way. Pretty much like most of us here do. We know..or suspect we know...we're a part of some alien agenda. If you've come to a place like this..you're most likely a part of that too..memory of it or not. Creative people have inquisitive minds. I admire those who have an attitude like if I don't see it it's not real and I can care less or if aliens are coming here then who cares? They are not bothering me. A lot of my time researching UFO's, aliens and abductions are probably a waste but people are naturally curious.
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Post by lois on Nov 30, 2011 0:06:13 GMT -6
Steve . My above post I have never ever told any of my doctors during my lifetime. ;D
They never believed I witnessed any ufos at all.
This would of added more fuel to the fire. ;D
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Post by lois on Nov 30, 2011 0:24:49 GMT -6
ufo4peace. I under stand where you are coming from here on this thread. I know mental people imagine all sorts of things. Another thing about it is they truely believe the stories they tell. I have had doctors tell me when I ask them over the years . Do you think maybe I have a mental problem, they just chuckle and tell me.. No Lois your mind is sound.
I never ask them this question because I questiion what I have witness. It had nothing to do with it.
Lorelei. I have had two MRI's and I never knew it told all you posted. I guess they were looking to find any brain damage in any way.
Ufo4peace. Are you saying you are one of the same. pigscanfly.. I thought it was pigswilfly all these years
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 7:49:59 GMT -6
"Pardon me for taking a shot in the dark with a wild guess, but maybe this is something that is happening to the general population and only a small percent of us remember ..." (page 4, #77) ...and a small percent of us remember enough to "question our sanity" ;D . And let's not forget the small percent of the human population that, if all alien speculation is true, were considered "faulty" by the aliens when they didn't respond correctly to "upgrades, testing, whatever", and were cast aside. Possibly to carry one "faulty gene" through their families, that coupled with other things (?) showed up as an inability to cope: mental illness in its many forms. I say cast aside loosely. This, this "curiosity" about this phenomenon, was fleeting (for me) many years ago when project b book was on tv occasionally. I was young enough to NOT appreciate how truly "odd" the sightings were, and we didn't have the internet . I agree with jo. u4peace, pigswillfly, your curiosity is more than fleeting. But it's OK (IMO) to question this phenomenon, and search for articles to post. I would say i've been "avoiding" this thread because its all over the place in subject material. It raises other questions for me, and by the time I come back with a question, its gone in another direction.... Sigh. what I've been wanting to ask, is with the reference to special abilities, including possibly telepathy, is for a general list of these "new" abilities. Regardless of speculation of what the human brain is made to do, what it is capable of, the percent we actually use, etc. The list can be vague. Then if people want to say, "well, I can do that one, and that one, but not that one" we can speculate to whether any one else can claim they saw pigs fly ;D . I guess that if a drug can cause epileptic seizures to be less traumatic on both the "victim" and the public, I'm waiting for a drug that causes the autistic to have a conversation with me. That might be slightly more important than a drug to take away anxiety from supposed aliens visiting. oh. We already have drugs for anxiety.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 10:52:21 GMT -6
Eh...to each their own medicine or poison..depends on the outlook I suppose. If you're allergic to bees the honey can kill you..but some people would never give up the honey. It still goes back to my original statement..you cannot understand it and the emotion involved or the anger/fear/awe ...unless you have experienced it. You can study it..but you don't understand it unless you're in part..a part of it. Psychic abilities would be the the same. We experience it..it's part of us it's painful sometimes when called into question or challenged but we need to understand that what others are not a part of..cannot be understood and often disbelieved. So..it's why we're friends here..we understand it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 17:02:05 GMT -6
JC said: "oh. We already have drugs for anxiety."
Yea... and we have alcohol too... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 17:08:14 GMT -6
On my part I wish it were a medical condition. At least then I would have an explanation for whats happening and be able to accept it. When you have others around you at different times witnessing and describing the same thing youre seeing it then verifies what youre encountering is very real . Its just something you have to experience in order to even try to understand. Hi Cliff, You touch what many wonder and wish, that abduction experiences are a medical condition. That way it would at least feel there is a possible explanation and a 'cure' for what seems still unresolved. More, you can have a sense of' control' return knowing your going somewhere. That way one doesn't feel like a duck in some kind of celestial shooting gallery helpless to prevent another encounter. The couple I have worked with in the past, who had the two consecutive night experiences while camping reported two weeks ago they suspect they may have been visited again. I am not too clear why they think this based on what they described, often the covers of their bed bunched up on one person and not the other, and a few other unusual things, but nothing really that unusual. But I work with them on the assumption they could be more subconsciously aware of something. Intuition? They report to an extent having accepted they might be visited again. I think they are certainly far less anxious now about it now, which makes me feel at least our work has helped them too. No abductee or researcher has no certain answer how to prevent such a visit. Perhaps also, any alien visitation that maybe happening may not be necessarily bad either. There maybe more going on than then all the human parties involved may be aware of. They having been 'taken' may have more to go on. They are experiencing all that you describe so well Cliff. You express so empathetically Cliff what many feel here. Your contributions here are more than you realize. You matter and we appreciate you. Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Thank you" for the kind words Steve, they meant alot ! Each and every person here has helped me in some way, and I hope somehow Ive done the same . This has become my new "home" with a new "family" and I appreciate each and every one of you also !!! Were all in this together , even if our experiences are different in some way or another, which leaves us picking up pieces of a complex puzzle searching for clues. As Paulette quoted on this thread in reply #41 " If alien ships were to land tomorrow I would want to be in touch with you guys",,,I couldn't agree more.
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