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Post by swamprat on Jan 10, 2011 18:52:03 GMT -6
Indeed it is, Jo! Keep your eyes on them--I suspect the next Earth-shattering development in science will come from them!
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Jan 10, 2011 19:19:48 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 19:19:48 GMT -6
I absolutely agree Swampy.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 10, 2011 23:31:19 GMT -6
Just as long as it's not too earth-shattering. That crazy thing is liable to blow us all to pieces.
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Post by lois on Jan 13, 2011 0:27:53 GMT -6
Sky, I was thinking the same thing, but was going to say BACKFIRE on them. Building something then trying to figure it out sounds pretty stupid to me. No wonder ufos are watching it.. I hope they stop it, if something gets out of hand..
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Jan 13, 2011 0:31:26 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 13, 2011 0:31:26 GMT -6
This is my oldest son's number one topic besides new world order. He thinks it will blow mankind to Kingdom come. I always put my two cents in about the fema camps.. Christmas he must of talked for hours.
Maybe this is a place to go if it does go haywire..
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Jan 13, 2011 10:46:27 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Jan 13, 2011 10:46:27 GMT -6
Why don't you invite your oldest son to join us, Shami? He can start a New World Order thread.
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Jan 27, 2011 21:06:45 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Jan 27, 2011 21:06:45 GMT -6
www.stumbleupon.com/su/2J0INC/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/01/cern-physicists-zeroing-in-on-solving-mystern-of-dark-matter.htmlCERN Physicists Zeroing In on Solving Mystery of Dark MatterThe Daily Galaxy via Imperial College London January 27, 2011 Dark_matter CERN Physicists at the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) particle detector, part of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva are zeroing in on one of the great unsolved mysteries of modern science: the source of the universe's mysterious dark matter. The LHC team have now carried out the first full run of experiments that smash protons together at almost the speed of light. When these sub-atomic particles collide at the heart of the CMS detector, the resultant energies and densities are similar to those that were present in the first instants of the Universe, immediately after the Big Bang some 13.7 billion years ago. The unique conditions created by these collisions can lead to the production of new particles that would have existed in those early instants and have since disappeared. Dark matter is an invisible substance that we cannot detect directly but whose presence is inferred from the rotation of galaxies. Physicists believe that it makes up about a quarter of the mass of the Universe whilst the ordinary and visible matter only makes up about 5% of the mass of the Universe. Its composition is a mystery, leading to intriguing possibilities of hitherto undiscovered exotic physics. "We have made an important step forward in the hunt for dark matter, although no discovery has yet been made. These results have come faster than we expected because the LHC and CMS ran better last year than we dared hope and we are now very optimistic about the prospects of pinning down Supersymmetry in the next few years," said Geoff Hall of the Department of Physics at Imperial College London, who works on the CMS experiment, TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Mar 16, 2011 11:59:50 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Mar 16, 2011 11:59:50 GMT -6
www.stumbleupon.com/su/1h9SRI/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/03/angels-demons-time-travel-will-cerns-lhc-cause-matter-to-travel-back-in-time-or-forward-to-the-futur.htmlMarch 16, 2011 'Angels & Demons' Revisited: Will CERN's LHC Cause Matter to Travel Back in Time or Forward to the Future?CERN's Large Hadron Collider –-- the world's largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year –-- could be the first machine capable of causing matter to travel backwards in time. According to the new theory, elusive Higgs singlets created by the collider should have the ability to jump into an extra, fifth dimension where they can move either forward or backward in time and reappear in the future or past. "Our theory is a long shot," admitted Thomas Weiler, a physics professor who developed the new theory with Chui Man Ho, both of Vanderbilt University, "but it doesn't violate any laws of physics or experimental constraints." One of the major goals of the collider is to find the elusive Higgs boson: the particle that physicists invoke to explain why particles like protons, neutrons and electrons have mass. If the collider succeeds in producing the Higgs boson, some scientists predict that it will create a second particle, called the Higgs singlet, at the same time. "One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes," Weiler said. "Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future." TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Mar 16, 2011 14:15:49 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 14:15:49 GMT -6
Interesting theory although I kind of hope they don't succeed in producing a Higgs Bosun particle. So far..from what I have read..if they do..they will only be able to identify it from trace after effect..they won't actually see one. Somethings..I think we don't need to get our greedy little paws on
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Mar 16, 2011 18:00:35 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Mar 16, 2011 18:00:35 GMT -6
If they do find one of these crazy Higgs particle thingies what are they going to do with it? Does it have a purpose...besides sending messages back into the past to tell people not to build the hadron collider because it will blow them all to smithereens? If they do discover this Higgs thingy they will probably just build an even bigger machine to see what the Higgs particle thingy is made of.
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Mar 23, 2011 11:24:24 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 11:24:24 GMT -6
This article was attached to a 'Strange Universe' article that Auntiem posted. It sort of jumped out at me as interesting earthquake-ily speaking. This doesn't sound too far fetched to me..and the Hadron Collider has been on my brain since it's construction. I am NOT a cheerleader of particle physics or theory (although I am interested in string theory) ..it's not like me to be 'drawn' into physics..yet..here I am. Tell me if you think this might be an element. mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/03/could-cerns-large-hadron-collider-cause-catastrophies/#more-4593
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Mar 23, 2011 14:19:33 GMT -6
Post by paulette on Mar 23, 2011 14:19:33 GMT -6
Dark matter is an invisible substance that we cannot detect directly but whose presence is inferred from the rotation of galaxies. Physicists believe that it makes up about a quarter of the mass of the Universe whilst the ordinary and visible matter only makes up about 5% of the mass of the Universe. Its composition is a mystery, leading to intriguing possibilities of hitherto undiscovered exotic physics.
I'm not good at math but I add 25% dark matter and 5% visible matter and wonder what the other 70% is. I thought the stuff BETWEEN was dark matter.
Then I read the article and came upon stranglets (that is a creepy name) and the theory that we could start a quasar in the core of the earth that would shine out here and there (before it all went up into....whatever). I hear that some prescient wig placed a statue of Shiva the Destroyer in front of the building and I think - we are too smart for our own good. There is some failsafe device that is not working in our brains - humans never grow up and consider just what the consequences of their actions will be - immediately and later. Never mind teenage antics that just take a single car or snowboarder or whatever. I'm talking planetary adolescent attention deficit and impulse control disorder. Big time.
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Mar 23, 2011 17:04:27 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 17:04:27 GMT -6
I'm just thinking that the worlds biggest magnet might be effecting the magnetism of the earth. I am a firm believer in what will be will be..God's running the ultimate show but..finding the solutions to problems is interesting to me. The idea of string theory..figuring out what might effect these big quakes..it's not scary to me..just something that needs more investigation. I admit..some of the physics they do at CERN is amazing..but I'm not so sure they need to be looking for the Higgs Bosun (God particle) or trying to store antimatter and the idea of quasars and black holes is daunting..but once a future direction has begun...it's seldom ever reversed.. scientifically speaking.
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Mar 24, 2011 11:08:04 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 11:08:04 GMT -6
Another article I found, has more scientific data to back up the theory that the LHC (large hadron collider) has at least contributed to the super quakes. I had no idea that there has been a 100 percent increase in quakes since the collider went on line and that it is the worlds largest magnetic field on earth (after the Earth's own center). How could something next in strength to the Earths own core..not cause differences in the magnetic structure of our planet? The more I almost understand...the more it almost makes sense and I understand why it alarms people...I think we're playing with physics beyond our ability to control or even imagine. We seem to have this 'God' thing going on in which it's not enough to understand the physics of it..but there is a hunger for the power of it. www.cerntruth.com/?p=231
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Mar 24, 2011 18:14:28 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Mar 24, 2011 18:14:28 GMT -6
Just wait until the lawyers find out about it. Lawsuits will be flying all over the place.
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Post by auntym on Apr 24, 2011 18:39:17 GMT -6
www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/04/newsflash-rumor-in-worlds-physicis-community-that-cerns-lhc-has-detected-the-higgs-boson-the-god-par.htmlNewsFlash: Rumor Sweeping World's Science Community that CERN's LHC has Detected the Higgs Boson -The "God Particle"6a00d8341bf7f753ef012877113807970c-500wi A rumor has gone viral in the physics community that the world's largest atom smasher may have detected a long-sought subatomic particle called the Higgs boson, also known as the "God particle," based on an anonymous commentor posted an abstract of a leaked note on Columbia University physicist, Peter Woit's blog, Not Even Wrong. The controversial rumor is based on what appears to be a leaked internal note from physicists at CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a 17-mile-long particle accelerator near Geneva, Switzerland. It's not certain at this point if the memo is authentic, or what the data it refers to might mean — but the note has sent the physics community into full buzz mode. Some physicists say the note may be a hoax, while others believe the "detection" is likely a statistical anomaly that will disappear upon further study. But the find would be one the century's great achievements, if it turns out to be valid. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 18:49:01 GMT -6
I was more interested to see this on fox news. www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/04/22/worlds-largest-atom-smasher-detected-god-particle/Researchers on the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment at CERN's Large Hadron Collider near Geneva, Switzerland, reported in January that they have seen hints of what may be the hot, dense state of matter thought to have filled the universe in its first nanoseconds of existence. The CMS detector has captured a signal thought to represent this quark-gluon plasma. Quarks are generally trapped in groups of two or three by the gluons that bind them, but in the moments after the big bang, the universe was so hot that they could escape, becoming a fluid of free quarks and gluons However Tommaso Dorigo — a particle physicist feels strongly enough, in fact, to put his money where his mouth is. "I bet $1,000 with whomever has a name and a reputation in particle physics (this is a necessary specification, because I need to be sure that the person taking the bet will honor it) that the signal is not due to Higgs boson decays," he wrote on his blog today. "I am willing to bet that this is NO NEW PARTICLE. Clear enough?"
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May 5, 2011 16:07:33 GMT -6
Post by auntym on May 5, 2011 16:07:33 GMT -6
www.stumbleupon.com/su/7oSCQJ/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/05/cerns-star-trek-moment-close-to-discovering-if-antimatter-obeys-gravity.htmlMay 05, 2011 CERN's Star-Trek Moment: "Close to Discovering if Antimatter Obeys Gravity"According to the scientists at CERN -- the same organization responsible for the Large Hadron Collider -- we're about to solve one of the greatest unsolved problems in physics: that although the Big Bang resulted in a huge outpouring of matter and antimatter particles, that antimatter has an opposite charge, that it is still made of normal energy and it therefore obeys the same laws of gravity as matter. So sure, in fact, that when the space shuttle Endeavour finally blasts off -- hopefully in five days -- it will carry on board a $2 billion antimatter detector known as the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer just to prove it. Until then, though, all we know is that it's the matter particles we can see, because our Universe is made up almost entirely of them. So where did all the antimatter go? And most importantly, what kind of an alternate universe is it creating? Antiparticles are extremely difficult to isolate, trap and study, because they disappear in less than a microsecond when they come back into contact with matter particles. But last year the team at CERN's Antihydrogen Laser Physics Apparatus (ALPHA) managed to lure some antihydrogen into a magnetic trap, whereupon it existed for around some 172 milliseconds. Last week they managed to cool the antiprotons which go into creating the antihydrogen and keep 309 atoms of it safe for more than 17 minutes. Seventeen minutes may not seem like much, but to physicists working on the ALPHA project at the CERN physics complex near Geneva, 1000 seconds is nearly four orders of magnitude better than has ever been achieved before in capturing and holding onto antimatter atoms. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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May 5, 2011 17:14:38 GMT -6
Post by swamprat on May 5, 2011 17:14:38 GMT -6
Fascinating!!
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May 30, 2011 12:01:07 GMT -6
Post by auntym on May 30, 2011 12:01:07 GMT -6
The God Particle
Uploaded by bskahn on Sep 23, 2008
A short documentary uncovering the people and ideas behind the Large Hadron Collider.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 13:23:35 GMT -6
I suppose it could be said of theoretical physics, a bit of faith is needed. Faith to believe your theory is correct then attempt to prove it..sounds so familiar Scientists expect to either find the theoretical 'God Particle' or rule out it's existence by 2012. The Higgs boson (God Particle) isn't just any particle. It's the linchpin of the Standard Model of particle physics theory that explains the Big Bang, because it is believed to answer a fundamental question about why matter has mass. The particle itself is thought to give mass to other particles, and thus to objects and creatures in the Universe. Scientists are starting to pinpoint the precise level of high energy where the Higgs boson is expected to be found.
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Aug 26, 2011 22:04:13 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Aug 26, 2011 22:04:13 GMT -6
www.stumbleupon.com/su/8odLwp/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/08/ecoalert-cern-says-cosmic-rays-from-supernovas-may-trigger-cloud-formation.htmlAugust 26, 2011 EcoAlert: CERN Says Cosmic Rays from Supernovas May Trigger Cloud FormationScientists working on this issue at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (Cern) in Geneva have presented initial results suggesting cosmic rays have an effect on cloud formation but found no proof they drive climate change. The preliminary findings of the Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD) experiment, published in Nature journal on Wednesday, show that a few kilometres up in the atmosphere cosmic rays cause a ten-fold increase in the formation rate of tiny aerosol particles. The international team of scientists from 18 institutes found that while cosmic rays “significantly enhanced” the formation of aerosol particles in the mid-troposphere and above, which could grow into the seeds for clouds, in the lower atmosphere additional vapours such as ammonia are required. The research also revealed that the chemicals believed to seed clouds - sulphuric acid, water and ammonia – even with cosmic ray enhancement are not sufficient to explain atmospheric observations of aerosol formation. Additional vapors of organic or human origin may play a far more important role in cloud formation than suspected. Clouds are important for regulating global temperatures as they reflect part of the sun’s heat back into space. But the formation of aerosols that seed clouds is not well understood and is a source of uncertainty in climate models. There has been a long-running controversy over the possible role of cosmic rays in the creation of aerosols. In the 1990s Danish researchers first suggested that cosmic rays generated supernovas help generate low-altitude clouds. The number of cosmic rays that hit the Earth is lower when the Sun’s activity is high. It has also been suggested that reduced cosmic rays may lead to reduced cloud formation, causing global temperatures to rise. Some climate change sceptics say this process, rather than the burning of fossil fuels, can explain much of the Earth’s recent rise in temperature. CONTINUE READING: www.stumbleupon.com/su/8odLwp/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/08/ecoalert-cern-says-cosmic-rays-from-supernovas-may-trigger-cloud-formation.html
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Post by auntym on Sept 22, 2011 12:51:11 GMT -6
hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPEED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULTSep 22, 2:41 PM EDT CERN claims faster-than-light particle measured[/color] By FRANK JORDANS Associated Press GENEVA (AP) -- Scientists at the world's largest physics lab say they have clocked subatomic particles traveling faster than light, a feat that - if true - would break a fundamental pillar of science. The readings have so astounded researchers that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements before claiming an actual discovery. "This would be such a sensational discovery if it were true that one has to treat it extremely carefully," said John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, who was not involved in the experiment. Nothing is supposed to move faster than light, at least according to Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity: The famous E (equals) mc2 equation. That stands for energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. But neutrinos - one of the strangest well-known particles in physics - have now been observed smashing past this cosmic speed barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers). CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light. Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds, making the difference statistically significant. But given the enormity of the find, they still spent months checking and rechecking their results to make sure there was no flaws in the experiment. The CERN researchers are now looking to the United States and Japan to confirm the results. CONTINUE READING: hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPEED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Post by auntym on Sept 23, 2011 13:29:16 GMT -6
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629271/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/astounding-discovery-faster-than-light-particle/?gt1=43001%23.TnunZNQ1OuINeutrinos clocked moving at faster-than-light speed CERN scientists ask for confirmation of discovery that could rewrite laws of nature The CERN Neutrinos to Gran Sasso experiment sends muon neutrinos through a tunnel at the French-Swiss border in the direction of a detector in Italy, more than 450 miles away. By Frank Jordans and Seth Borenstein updated 9/22/2011 5:40:39 PM ET 2011-09-22T21:40:39 GENEVA — A pillar of physics — that nothing can go faster than the speed of light — appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein's theories. Scientists at the world's largest physics lab said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light. That's something that according to Einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity — the famous E (equals) mc2 equation — just doesn't happen. "The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't be real," said James Gillies, a spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research. The organization, known as CERN, hosted part of the experiment, which is unrelated to the massive $10 billion Large Hadron Collider also located at the site. Gillies told The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements before claiming an actual discovery. "They are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements," he said Thursday. Scientists at the competing Fermilab in Chicago have promised to start such work immediately. "It's a shock," said Fermilab head theoretician Stephen Parke, who was not part of the research in Geneva. "It's going to cause us problems, no doubt about that — if it's true." The Chicago team had similar faster-than-light results in 2007, but those came with a giant margin of error that undercut its scientific significance. Other outside scientists expressed skepticism at CERN's claim that the neutrinos — one of the strangest well-known particles in physics — were observed smashing past the cosmic speed barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second). Anja Niedringhaus / AP The globe of the European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN, is illuminated outside Geneva. University of Maryland physics department Chairman Drew Baden called it "a flying carpet," something that was too fantastic to be believable. CONTINUE READING: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629271/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/astounding-discovery-faster-than-light-particle/?gt1=43001%23.TnunZNQ1OuI
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Sept 24, 2011 13:27:00 GMT -6
Post by Steve on Sept 24, 2011 13:27:00 GMT -6
I have been baffled by many here and other places fretting about CERN. I think CERN is wonderful. New particles and elements discovered, challenges to theoretical thinking and established physics. Physicists saying it is too fantastic to be true....we better recalibrate our instruments to be sure. Great...then be sure!
It is all part of my theory that I have held for a long time that concepts like string theory, multiple dimensions, faster than light neutrinos, the Higgs Boson will show to science that the possibilities of Extraterrestrial contact across vast distances of space visiting here are 'back door' concepts made more and more each day not only possible, but very likely on a regular basis. We will just have to be patient till established science catches up and realizes some of the fantastic claims of some aspects of pseudo science as they say putting it down might have some firm foundation of truth. Their own good work will confirm for us some of our arguments some strange reports might be more worthy of serious investigation beyond old guys chasing lights in the sky with Geiger counters.
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Sept 25, 2011 12:27:35 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Sept 25, 2011 12:27:35 GMT -6
www.stumbleupon.com/su/1CEW3x/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/09/-could-the-higgs-boson-explain-the-size-of-the-universe.htmlSeptember 25, 2011 Weekend Feature: CERN LHC Update --Could the Higgs boson explain the size of the Universe?[/color] A successful effort to identify the Higgs boson would not only be one of the great discoveries of the 21st Century by helping explain why the majority of elementary particles possess mass, as well as the evolution of the Universe from the moment of its birth, according to a group of Ecole Polytechnique Federale Lausanne (EPFL) physicists. If their theory is verified with data from the Planck satellite, it would clear up several questions about the Universe, past and future. The inflationary phase of the Universe after the Big Bang, an initial phenomenal expansion in which the Universe grew by a factor of 10^26 in a very short time has presented physicists with a hard time accounting for this rapid growth. The Higgs boson can explain the speed and magnitude of the expansion, says Mikhail Shaposhnikov and his team from EPFL’s Laboratory of Particle Physics and Cosmology. In this infant Universe, the Higgs, in a condensate phase, would have behaved in a very special way – and in so doing changed the laws of physics. The force of gravity would have been reduced. Using this "X Factor," physicists can explain how the Universe expanded at such an incredible rate. But is that what really happened? “We have determined that when the Higgs condensate disappeared to make way for the particles that exist today, the equations permitted the existence of a new, massless particle, the dilaton,” explains EPFL physicist Daniel Zenhäusern. CONTINUE READING: www.stumbleupon.com/su/1CEW3x/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/09/-could-the-higgs-boson-explain-the-size-of-the-universe.html
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Oct 20, 2011 18:34:52 GMT -6
Post by swamprat on Oct 20, 2011 18:34:52 GMT -6
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Relativity Corrections Could Explain Faster Than Light NeutrinosOctober 18, 2011 When researchers at the European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN) observed what they believed to be sub-atomic particles moving faster than the speed of light, some believed that the discovery could challenge the very fundamental laws of the universe. It appears that those concerns were unfounded, as new research from scientists has shed light on exactly why CERN officials believe they witnessed beams of tiny particles of neutrinos traveling 60 nanoseconds (or 60 billionths of a second) quicker than the speed of light from their laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland to the Gran Sasso facility in Italy some 500 miles (730 km) away. Furthermore, as Evan Ackerman of the website Dvice wrote Friday, “In an ironic twist, the very theory that these neutrinos would have disproved may explain exactly what happened.” According to Ackerman, the rapid movement of neutrinos and the relatively short distance they had to travel as part of the Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus (OPERA) experiment meant that “in order to figure out exactly how long it takes a given neutrino to make the trip, you need to know two things very, very precisely: the distance between the two points, and the time the neutrino leaves the first point (the source) and arrives at the second point (the detector).” During the original experiment, he said, CERN researchers used GPS to measure both distance and time for the OPERA experiment. They were able to determine the distance down to approximately 20 centimeters, Ackerman added, and they were able to use time signals from those same GPS satellites to clock the particles’ travel time. However, he points out that the scientists may have forgotten to take one variable into account, and that is relativity. Dutch researcher Ronald A.J. van Elburg has written a new paper explaining, in the words of As Damon Poeter of PCMag, how “the effects of relativity as they pertain to the GPS satellite’s measurements require two corrections to the perceived time of travel.” Those corrections alter the travel time of the neutrinos by 64 seconds, enough to return “the apparent velocities of neutrinos back to a value not significantly different from the speed of light,” van Elburg claims, according to Poeter. This could explain the results, though the PCMag writer adds that CERN scientists are claiming that they did account for these specific factors in their original findings.Van Elburg is not the only one working to debunk CERN’s findings, however. According to an October 14 story by Wired’s Adam Mann, “In the three weeks after the announcement, more than 80 explanations have been posted to the preprint server arxiv.”“While some suggest the possibility of new physics, such as neutrinos that are traveling through extra dimensions or neutrinos at particular energies traveling faster than light, many offer less revolutionary explanations for the OPERA experiment,” he added, with different researchers citing astrophysical observations, the Standard Model of physics, and other grounds in an attempt to explain the supposed “faster than light speed” particles observed by CERN. In September, shortly after the initial report, physicist and OPERA spokesman Antonio Ereditato called the discovery “a complete surprise,” and the team told AFP reporters that they had spend some six months “checking, testing, controlling and rechecking everything” before making a public announcement. “We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing,” Ereditato added, in a separate interview with the Telegraph. “We now want colleagues to check them independently.” www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112403172/relativity-corrections-could-explain-faster-than-light-neutrinos/index.html
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Nov 18, 2011 18:30:29 GMT -6
Post by swamprat on Nov 18, 2011 18:30:29 GMT -6
Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result18 November 2011 By Jason Palmer The team which found that neutrinos may travel faster than light has carried out an improved version of their experiment - and confirmed the result.If confirmed by other experiments, the find could undermine one of the basic principles of modern physics. Critics of the first report in September had said that the long bunches of neutrinos (tiny particles) used could introduce an error into the test. The new work used much shorter bunches. It has been posted to the Arxiv repository and submitted to the Journal of High Energy Physics, but has not yet been reviewed by the scientific community. The experiments have been carried out by the Opera collaboration - short for Oscillation Project with Emulsion (T)racking Apparatus. It hinges on sending bunches of neutrinos created at the Cern facility (actually produced as decays within a long bunch of protons produced at Cern) through 730km (454 miles) of rock to a giant detector at the INFN-Gran Sasso laboratory in Italy. The initial series of experiments, comprising 15,000 separate measurements spread out over three years, found that the neutrinos arrived 60 billionths of a second faster than light would have, travelling unimpeded over the same distance. The idea that nothing can exceed the speed of light in a vacuum forms a cornerstone in physics - first laid out by James Clerk Maxwell and later incorporated into Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity. Timing is everything Initial analysis of the work by the wider scientific community argued that the relatively long-lasting bunches of neutrinos could introduce a significant error into the measurement. Those bunches lasted 10 millionths of a second - 160 times longer than the discrepancy the team initially reported in the neutrinos' travel time. To address that, scientists at Cern adjusted the way in which the proton beams were produced, resulting in bunches just three billionths of a second long. When the Opera team ran the improved experiment 20 times, they found almost exactly the same result.The first announcement of evidently faster-than-light neutrinos caused a stir worldwide; the Opera collaboration is very aware of its implications if eventually proved correct. The error in the length of the bunches, however, is just the largest among several potential sources of uncertainty in the measurement, which must all now be addressed in turn; these mostly centre on the precise departure and arrival times of the bunches. "So far no arguments have been put forward that rule out our effect," Dr Ereditato said. Next year, teams working on two other experiments at Gran Sasso experiments - Borexino and Icarus - will begin independent cross-checks of Opera's results. The US Minos experiment and Japan's T2K experiment will also test the observations. It is likely to be several months before they report back. www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236
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Nov 18, 2011 22:50:45 GMT -6
Post by lois on Nov 18, 2011 22:50:45 GMT -6
All I can say is WOW! and nothing backfired.. a miracle ..
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