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Post by Morgan Sierra on Jun 27, 2011 20:15:38 GMT -6
Here is the reincarnation of the IFO (Identified Flying Object) thread that Steve has been working on for the past several months. Some knucklehead accidentally deleted it. Luckily we were able to save most of the posts. If you have any comments about any of the things he posts there please put them here.
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Post by Steve on Jun 27, 2011 22:46:31 GMT -6
I saved the IFO's in it's entirety! .....And we did make it! Steve
From 'Road to Rio'.
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starkiller
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Post by starkiller on Jun 28, 2011 17:02:38 GMT -6
Thank goodness! Now if we can keep our trigger-happy administrator away from the delete button the forum might stay in one piece.
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Post by Steve on Jul 31, 2011 22:03:25 GMT -6
Thanks Sky, notice you referred a mufon forum member at 'that other forum' to my IFO thread here (Part 6). Thanks. Nice complement. Noticed this too. A quiz you can test yourself between UFO and IFO. Notice who's Mufon Field investigator's patch they have at top of the page designed by yours truly! BTW...I scored 100%. Wasn't a chief Investigator for nothing! Still one of the photos labeled as a UFO in the test is incorrect. What is labeled by mufon as a UFO is actually a Chinese lantern! I still scored the test correctly by giving them the right wrong answer. Recognized this case before. Steve www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=ufo-ifo-can-you-identify-these-objects
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Post by skywalker on Aug 1, 2011 20:37:13 GMT -6
Am I correct in assuming the first one was the Chinese lanterns? I didn't take the entire test. My brain must have been set on rabid skeptic yesterday because I was saying that everything was an IFO.
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2011 8:07:50 GMT -6
Just because Mufon gages here what is a IFO vs. UFO, does not make them the final word, that is for sure. I know many times, the wrong 'Vallee' designation is assigned. Many of the streaks in the quiz images are insects. Training of field investigators about these aspects of photo interpretation in Mufon is very lacking. Many in mufon also are going to call something a UFO whether it really is or not before hand. This is not a trait unique to them only, but human nature.
The great CMS computer system for their cases is just a large server out of Jan Harzan's house in Irvine. The great Pandora Project preserving the many UFO cases in history are gone forever. Stored in garages as paper files over the years without proper protection, these UFO cases have deteriorated to such an extent they could not be saved. 40 years? Try closer to only 6 years of paper files saved. Sad. What was saved, exists on CD's given to a special few. The Pandora Project was the political vehicle to get James Carrion elected by the board as the new International Director in 2006. At least 6 years was preserved. So maybe Carrion deserves some credit. Another of Mufon's secrets - blown.
Mufon has a lot of well meaning people existing on a lot of bluff or empty assumptions believing it's BOD. In reality, Mufon is necessarily not all it's cracked up to be.
Steve
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Post by skywalker on Aug 3, 2011 8:48:40 GMT -6
Another problem that MUFON has is that they are pressuring their investigators to come up with an explanation to a case whether they know what it is or not. Clift said recently he does not want investigators to use the excuse that there is not enough info. He wants them to come up with an explanation anyway. That is why those dirt circles in Goldthwaite were called "tire tracks" even though they definitely were not. My understanding is that the investigator never even went out to the scene to look at them! How are they supposed to know an IFO from a UFO if they don't even investigate it?
I wish some more of those old cases could have been saved. There are a lot of other cases from some of the other old UFO organizations that are wasting away in storage also. We should do something to preserve them otherwise they will be gone forever. And those CDs that were made should be released to the public so we can see the results of the investigations, otherwise what is the point of investigating?
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Post by Steve on Aug 3, 2011 9:10:46 GMT -6
Thanks Sky. Cliff and others are referring to too many cases being labeled 'insufficient data'. This is often not the Investigators fault, but the CMS programing that did not require certain vital witness contact information be a requirement as a condition of submitting a report. If certain fields are not filled in, then the case should not go through. Often just a questionable Email address, assuming the witness actually replied back. One had then no choice but to not consider it a serious report. This was brought to some BOD's attention, that it would go far in reducing the number of insufficient data case depositions. It feel to deaf ears.
Some old original case files of very important cases exist simply in cardboard boxes in a number of state directors homes just in the back of their closets. A difficult call, are they perhaps preserved better there? Beyond that, most famous cases exist in the many UFO books that have been written over the years...whether the descriptions are accurate or not.
One famous case is an entire box unto itself, just sitting there. I know which case it is. The original investigator passes on, and it is inherited by the next director from the widow.
I was told about the CD's, and was promised a copy. It never happened.
Many UFO investigations can be conducted over the phone, but ones like the dirt circles in Goldthraite perhaps more should have been done? Unless there is more to the story we are not aware of that obviously negated the need to be on scene.
Steve
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Post by paulette on Aug 3, 2011 11:14:36 GMT -6
One of the first examples on the test was given UFO status. It looked like the brighter stars in Orion (seen through light pollution or haze). Then I sorta lost interest in that they had more info than I did, just looking at a blurry photo - like, that there was a airfield and training jets in the area (re swimming kids and cigar shaped object). I think after all the photos and videos that I have seen that just about anything could be anything. Give me the glowing footprints, the piece of alien metal, the implant. (Not personally though....I'm retired)
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