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Post by skywalker on Jul 3, 2011 11:09:23 GMT -6
I agree that the fossil record is incomplete, and it always will be. Millions of animals live and die every day on this planet and never leave so much as a trace of their existence. Only a tiny percentage will leave remains behind that will actually be preserved as fossils, and of those only a tiny percentage will ever be discovered by people who give a darn about them. Scientists have barely scratched the surface of this huge planet of ours.
The ones who have spend a lot of time arguing in favor of their own pet theories based on some tiny flake of flint or a sliver of bone. I think that science is more like 10% fact and 90% conjecture. I also think that some of the stupidest people I have ever known were also the most educated. They learn to do things a certain way and that is the way they continue to do them, even if it has been been proven to be wrong. It's no wonder the fossil record is a mess.
I agree that modern humans did not evolve from Neanderthals. I also don't think that Neanderthals evolved from Homo Erectus, although their was a common ancestor involved their somewhere (probably much further back down the family tree).
I think that evolution, instead of being something that can be traced in a direct line from one species to another, is actually a jumbled mess of branches and lineages that are twisted, turned and tangled every which way, with a lot of stops, start and deadends mixed in. Faced with all of that confusing and contradictory data it is easy to understand why even the scientists don't always agree.
Louis Leakey, who became famous for his discovery of early human hominids at Olduvai Gorge in Kenya, was instrumental in establishing the modern perceptions of human evolution. Yet he himself did not always agree with scientific consensus. In the later years of his life he began supporting an excavation in California known as the Calico Site. Stone "tools" and other so-called "artifacts" were being discovered there that were very similar to the ones he had originally found in Africa. The California artifacts were dated back to around 200,000 years ago, which is about 180,000 years before the accepted date that scientists agree humans first appeared in the American continents.
Some scientists have speculated that a small group of home Erectus could have wondered over to the Americas and been cut off from the rest of the population worldwide. Thus isolated, they gradually evolved along a different line until they became modern humans, at which point they made their way back over to Europe, Asia and Africa and proceeded to drive Homo Erectus and Neanderthals to extinction.
Instances of isolationism such as in the previous example could be responsible for rapid changes in evolution. Or it is possible that an outside influence, such as genetic manipulation by an extraterrestrial race, could also account for the rapid evolutionary changes. There are a lot of interesting possibilities.
If there was any type of ET involvement, were they also responsible for "seeding" the earlier hominids, or did they just take advantage of the primates that already existed here on the Earth? Could it be possible that life evolves according to a set pattern, so that similar environmental conditions on different planets end up producing similar, if not identical species? Maybe humans did not have to be seeded here. Maybe it happened on its own just like it has on countless other planets throughout the galaxy. Maybe that is why so many different types of aliens have been described as being humanoid in appearance.
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Post by paulette on Jul 3, 2011 11:53:46 GMT -6
In most of the Greek and Roman mythology of their gods and godesses they show indifference to their actions on others - but not all of them. They supposedly gave us fire and its gifts (Promethius), spinning (Aphrodite), etc etc. Others showed up in various forms and impregnanted human women without much interest in the aftereffects or their offspring. These myths are based on older ones. The point is, humans accepted these qualities in their gods and goddesses without any surprise or expectations that they would be kinder or more ethical. Even the older Old Testament Jehovah smote a lot of groups of people that included children without much concern (the story of Passover for one). The problem for many IMO is questioning whether there is an overall uniting sentience in the universe that we can be in touch with. This is quite separate from the question of whether ETs have arrived and still do and messed with us and still do. If free will is "the Deal" then surely they have it as well.
But before you get indignent about how we are treated by ETs (like animals) don't forget how we treat our earthly relatives - animals. We don't just eat them after a fair chase. We confine them, breed them but keep them from their offspring (pigs who are smarter than dogs cannot touch their young - only nurse them briefly). Milk cows have their calves taken away at the moment of birth. So that we can drink their milk instead.
Don't get me wrong - I'm having a cup of coffee with milk in it right now and last night I happily dined on someone else's body (happened to be "beef" which means it was a cow or bull or steer). But I'm not surprised about how indifferent "They" are to their effects on us.
PS: The "non-terrestrial officers" mentioned in the video above - I wonder what THEY EAT. There may be very specialized post traumatized folks in their catering service. Who will never talk about it to anyone unless they want to have an ordered "heart attack".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 12:35:32 GMT -6
To a point I agree with that Paulette..but the animals we eat aren't capable of quantum physics. I absolutely agree that we are 'cruel' to the animals on this planet even in our attempts to 'save' them. What we needed to do was save them from us. We are the dominant species on this planet..we have a social order and have reached outside of our own planet into space..they have to be aware of this. Just because you CAN land on someone else's planet and experiment on them...doesn't mean you have the right to or should. So..what does this tell us? Either they're very rude and don't care if they are violating local laws or they feel they have some right to do this...some 'ownership' or right to meddle. Ancestors might think that..or another race that 'seeded' people here and are basically zoo keepers. Some people have reported attempts to communicate but when you think about it for awhile...some things do come to light. If they wanted the general population to believe they are here...they would have announced it a long time ago. They carefully 'appear' to only a few and knowing ahead of time..no one is really going to believe them Or they'd appear over Rome when the pope is giving one of his balcony speeches and 3/4's of Italy is there...or at the Kentucky derby..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 13:26:36 GMT -6
Good points made by all of you. I don't really have a whole lot to contribute to this conversation other than: ~rubs chin and says, "Hmmm..."
Jo, you're right. The animals we eat aren't capable of quantum physics... but they are capable of complex trigonometry... especially the carnivores who possess depth perception. Their brains are hard-wired to understand that, just as ours are... they are just not capable of expressing it on paper or explaining it however.
The same thing could be said when comparing humanity to EBEs. The EBEs might say: "They can understand it cognitively and write it down, but they can't communicate it telepathically. They are nothing more than beasts."
~shrug~
There is so much more to communication than mere words, either in written or spoken form.
For example, last night I had to throw a drunk man out of the liquor store. I told him I wouldn't sell the alcohol to him because he had already been drinking and told him to leave.
He called me the "c" word.
He didn't mean to say I was a part of the female anatomy. What he was really trying to say was, "You have made me angry, and I am going to try to make you angry to pay you back!"
But he didn't say that... did he?
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Post by skywalker on Jul 3, 2011 13:43:29 GMT -6
Did you communicate with him by smacking him upside the head with a beer bottle?
I still don't see why any invading ET race would care about what we think about them. They probably see us as nothing more than animals, and like Paulette said, we don't exactly treat the animals here very well.
But then again, there are some people who do care about the animals here. People keep them as pets and care for them, other people refuse to eat meat in order to hopefully spare the lives of a few, then there are others who go out and march in the streets and protest to save the whales or stop the killing of baby fur seals.
There are many different degrees of caring, depending on what the individual person feels like doing. Perhaps it's the same for an alien race. Maybe each individual ET has a different attitude and how they might treat us would depend on how they feel. Maybe that is why some people report them as being filled with love and light and rainbows while others feel nothing but a cold, lack of compassion.
I wonder how animals feel about us? When a fish sees a boat float across the surface of its world does it think it is seeing a UFO or God...or just another species of animal?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 13:47:07 GMT -6
Actually..I think they just reach for the foulest insult they can find to show their contempt and unhappiness. I have a rescue chihuahua/dachshund cross and I was walking her the other day when around the corner comes a gy-normous mastiff towing an 8 year old girl. It grabbed poor little Bonnie around the throat.. lassoed my feet and took me down to where the only thing I could do was pound it with my fists or I'd have re-positioned a few of it's ribs for it. What seemed like an eternity later..the mother of the child arrived and managed to secure fido. While I gained my feet..soothed the bleeding chiweenie (who's little collar saved it's life) and let the woman know what I thought of someone who would entrust a 75 pound attitudy dog to an 8 year old child. She too replied with the C word..the B word and decided (proving she wasn't totally stupid) to stay out of my face ..collect child and dog and leave as someone had called the cops. She knew she was in the wrong as her dog's bloody jowls plainly showed..and she reacted in her fear and upset with insults..that's pretty typical I think. Poor little mite is ok..set rehabilitation back a bit but she's such a brave little thing. Fang hole under her chin and on her thigh but sure could have been worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 16:23:17 GMT -6
I'm glad the chiweewee escaped that tumultuous occasion relatively unscathed. Poor little baby...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 18:01:46 GMT -6
Me too It's never bad animals as far as I'm concerned..it's bad owners. That is, however, my least favorite word in the universe and I have no respect for anyone who needs to resort to that kind of ugly insult to try and get a point across. I know how hard it is to work in an environment of the drunken sot.
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Post by paulette on Jul 3, 2011 22:59:57 GMT -6
Ahem....(she climbs shakily up on her soap box). I think it is no accident that most swear words are derogatory of God ("God dmn you" is a curse, as is, calling down trouble on someone) and derogatory of women, women's parts and women's offspring who came into being outside of church sanctioned marriage or the actual act of procreation. God and women....hmmm. The holders of the power of life. God and Goddess.
There are some off-color things one can call a man but over-all, most male parts are described with pride compared to the c word.
The result of this realization of this on my part means that I cannot comfortably swear. I do have one gender neutral expletive. Most though I don't bother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 4:27:19 GMT -6
Ahem....(she climbs shakily up on her soap box). I think it is no accident that most swear words are derogatory of God ("God dmn you" is a curse, as is, calling down trouble on someone) and derogatory of women, women's parts and women's offspring who came into being outside of church sanctioned marriage or the actual act of procreation. God and women....hmmm. The holders of the power of life. God and Goddess. There are some off-color things one can call a man but over-all, most male parts are described with pride compared to the c word. The result of this realization of this on my part means that I cannot comfortably swear. I do have one gender neutral expletive. Most though I don't bother. I agree. Most insults are female-based it seems... I swear a little too much. My favorites are the "d" word and the "s" word.... but I only use the "d" word when I'm mad/disappointed, and I only use the "s" word when I'm scared... it's interesting to say the least... But I also use other swear words too... depending on the people I'm socializing with. Certain people, especially people my age, expect me to use certain words and if I don't it makes them feel uncomfortable and they think I think I'm better than they are for not using them and... it's a complex social thing... unfortunately... but yea... I like German insults which are used to insult people. A man is a "Pig-Dog". A woman is a "Sheep-Dog". Sounds silly in English... but in German... them's fightin' words... lol... Why are you "shakily" climbing onto your soapbox? What are you afraid of? ~hugz~
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Post by skywalker on Jul 4, 2011 7:13:07 GMT -6
Swearing doesn't have any meaning for men because they do it without a second thought. If they really want to insult somebody they just beat the crap out of each other. So much for being god-like... To an ET race we really must appear to be a bunch of savages, with our wars and violent games and all of the destruction we cause to the environment. You don't see ants in an ant colony robbing and raping and murdering their own people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 9:03:44 GMT -6
I love a good soap box oration ;D Go figure..the female figure is supposed to be revered.. Can you see Jesus cussing at mom or anyone's mom? Most everyone protects their moms and sisters but every one else's are fair game. The world has anger issues. If it's not road rage it's some other rage or fear. Seems to be our prime motivators. I've been friends with this guy and his family for years. Man + wife + 4 children. This man cannot hang onto a job..something is always wrong with it when he gets one and it has become a problem because no one wants to take a chance on hiring him now. So..in one fell swoop..he finds a friend in another state packs his family and assorted pets into a van with an oil leak and heads out for a brand new life. Left furniture..food..everything behind including obligations he had made to other people. In general folks are upset with him, but under that there was this small part of me that was envious. I examined this odd little duck of a feeling and sure enough...there is a part of me that would love to say 'to hell with this' and just shed skin like a snake and become new somewhere else..sans all responsibilities. That's not me..could never be me but..there was that little traitorous uprising of a feeling..quickly squished to oblivion. To go back to a time when someone takes care of you..no fear..no worry..no pain.. no anger..and look at us..all we can do is make noise over independence.
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Post by bewildered on Jul 4, 2011 10:25:17 GMT -6
Any number of scenarios are possible. One: the cycles, as detailed in a writing such as the Vedas, are terribly long and according to the source, have repeated numerous times. We are looking at spans of millions and millions of Earth years...ample room for humanity to settle the Solar System (at the minimum) and possibly elsewhere in the galaxy and even the universe at large. The cyclic degradation could account for the rise and fall of the civilizations of the ancients, no matter where they might be found...Earth, Mars, or the destroyed planetary body beyond Mars.
There is also something about the reseeding of Earth at the conclusion of the extinction events. This is interesting, as we may not actually be looking at "extra-terrestrial" humans as much as we might be considering a return of elders to emergence once again, as the cycle begins anew. This could be influenced by surviving enclaves. The ruins of our ancestors might be what we see when we view the Moon and Mars. Evidence of continued activity there might be the hint of those enclaves persisting.
There is geological evidence of very ancient nuclear explosions found in buried settlement ruins...perhaps this is a clue that might help us understand why these enclaves are so interested in our survival. Either Earth is Gaia, the birthplace of humanity...or, Earth might be a hope of these ancients that our race might break free of the bonds of hate, fear, and war. So far, not so good...but consider that we have yet to obliterate ourselves here and now, something that our ancestors did time and again over hundreds of millions of years across interstellar space. Certainly, UFOs seem to be very, very interested in nuclear weaponry.
The other scenario: we emerged here via the manipulation of humans from beyond our solar system. Our understanding of time and space does not apply to beings in possession of an understanding far more advanced than our own. Millions of years would mean very little - if anything at all - to those able to navigate the matrix of reality. Consider the difference of the perception of distance between a stone age hunter and an 18th century explorer...and then toss supersonic jet transport in the mix. You can see how distance becomes progressively smaller as knowledge and understanding expands. Once the barrier of time is breached, nothing limits you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 12:31:53 GMT -6
I've often thought that there might be much more to the physical laws of the universe than we grasp..not that we're by any means stupid..but a deeper layer of reality perhaps and physical laws that we're not aware of yet. For some reason I don't understand yet..I keep feeling a pull back to dimensional theory. When I ask of the 'universe' for answers..for understanding..I 'feel' layers and doorways. There's a cartoon 'Monsters Inc' that shows thousands of doors..and behind each one some child's bedroom for the monsters to go terrorize. In an odd way I think dimensional doorways exist that way. When I was really young, way before I fell in love with the universe..I used to 'imagine' walking off into the mountains and finding a doorway that puts you on another world..the trick was locating the doorway back because they were one way. I thought that might make a good book someday..the worlds behind the doors. So it could be too that 'elders' come from dimensions too. Like you said..so many possibilities. ;D
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Post by bewildered on Jul 5, 2011 0:32:51 GMT -6
I share those thoughts with you, Jo. We consider strings vibrating...and the vibration at particular frequency being a "reality" wherein all energy sympathetic and "tuned" to that frequency manifests in a mutually visible and concrete manner: i.e., matter.
Consider, then, the idea that time and space (I prefer to weld both together in the "meta" concept of spacetime) are merely conceptual conventions local to a particular frequency of vibration. They are nuances of consciousness and artifacts of cognizance. So...spacetime, being primarily derived from consciousness, is subject to individual interpretation and is only arrived at on a corporate scale by consensus. That is, we agree that time is x+y and that space is x(y).
Despite such agreements, we still experience variances. The state of being "locked in" to a vibrational frequency is the equivalent of spray painting most of the lens of a 360 degree camera, leaving only a sliver unblemished and thus capable of seeing. We only perceive so much. Imagine an ant seeing "you" by observing a portion of your foot. That is how we, in this state, perceive reality.
We are most certainly capable of much more than that. It is by consensus - both external and internal - that we spray paint the lens of our camera, making a mountain out of a mole hill and vanilla frosting out of white latex paint. We have no need to "evolve" in any fashion other than intentionally altering this consensus, for we already possess everything we need to interface with reality in a much more meaningful and interesting way...the way our "elders" might.
Another way of putting all of this: we sold ourselves a Pinto when all along, we could have had the Ferrari F-40. All we had to do was jump in and take off.
What if our mind is a quantum portal? The organic component - the brain - serves as our "local" frequency interpreter, acting as a lens to view frequencies? Ideas such as memory and time change into something else...they become "now," with no such thing as yesterdays or tomorrows. Memory is a function of the portal tuning to a particular point on a frequency. Consensus enters in as the conscious interprets location as space, and the event as time. We "mark" those points in frequency consciously, in essence creating our own experience of time and space.
Naturally, working with our own consensus model, we are trapped and limited by insurmountable constraints. You can't go "back" into time. You can't travel "great distances" instantly.
All that changes, however, if you alter consensus views. If you become aware that all you are presently doing is viewing through the portal of the mind a point on an infinitely wide frequency on an even more infinitely wide bandwidth, then you might go insane and emerge out the other end a changed person. That's a hint at what those "elders" might see. ;D
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Post by bewildered on Jul 5, 2011 0:54:24 GMT -6
Something else to consider is how these "elders" pull it all off. Have you ever been a member of a team before? Have you ever experienced achieving something you could have never attained on your own? It's one of those sneaky little lessons life plants squarely in our path that hopefully, we encounter and realize for what it is. It's the "key" to unlocking our potential and becoming what we should be...we learn how to become part of a greater whole. When we do that, and all the parts work in harmony...well, there is literally nothing that we can't do together. Imagine what we could do to our world if we all tossed in our chips together. It would be incredible. This is all conjecture on my part, of course...but I imagine there aren't any "John Waynes" amongst our hypothetical elders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 9:58:44 GMT -6
No..probably not many solo hero's..more like a hive mentality. One theory of reincarnation (and I do think we have several lifetimes to learn certain lessons)..is along those same lines. Our 'soul' is a component of a much larger consciousness (God?) that leaves to take corporeal form, experience then return with it's perspectives and new knowledge to share with the whole. Maybe a bit like StarTrek's Borg..where everyone is part of a collective and never alone. What I find a little peculiar is how hard we cling to the identity we have..not wanting to lose the 'I'..the personality that identifies us. And I am that way too..I can't wait to see what the next step is..but I also want to experience that as who I am..not some ball of energy pinging around that doesn't have a personality. Not that I'd mind being a ball of energy..I'd just rather be Jo..in whatever form. I feel that way now..after some transition maybe that changes and we're happy being part of the greater good. Guessing I am..that as we spend time here..we go through cycles of 'transitions'. Maybe each time we complete a cycle..we vibrate a bit differently..changing subtly in ways we might not even see. At our youngest..we're more self absorbed..then as we progress we become more about others..have deeper feelings about the world around us..the animals..love..and more questions about our role in all of it. Those who don't take those steps who become too grounded..possibly would have to spend a bit more time learning here. Again..maybe those who 'cling' too desperately become specters..mere shades of what they were, too afraid to move forward. Maybe that's why I feel a balance between the spiritual and the physical is so necessary. If we get too grounded to the physical reality we can't move forward from it...but if we tip the balance too much to the spiritual..we don't learn the lessons that the physical reality teaches. I'm clumsy with my point but I see what I mean LOL
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Post by god on Jul 5, 2011 13:44:58 GMT -6
GOD’s opinion on God; Most evolving self-conscious creatures experience an irresistible urge to symbolize their finite concepts of a idea that, by definition, is indescribable, indefinable. Mankind's consciousness of moral duty and its spiritual idealism representing a value level -“an experiential reality”- that requires symbolization but needs no embodiment. God is a word symbol designating all but humankind’s most cherished values and wishes. Perfection by definition; the ultimate aspiration; the final vehicle of transcendence. A concept that people may choose to abide by or doubt, confront or champion, but regardless of anyone’s stance on the concept, it drives what human nature is all about. Choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 14:08:53 GMT -6
A basic truth
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Post by bewildered on Jul 5, 2011 16:34:12 GMT -6
Well said, god. We have lost something; we stand to gain more than we ever possessed by attaining that which we have lost...for what is it, exactly, that we have lost? We have been divided into hemispheres. The unity of the heart and mind has been shattered, leaving us to seek the answer to a question that we have held within our hands all along. We do not see because we have convinced ourselves that we are blind. We left Dreamtime and thus fell into dreaming. There is dreaming...and then there is the Dreamtime. Before the sundering of the heart and the mind, the Dreamtime was the breathless expression of possibility and impossibility, the sum total of all that it means to be human. Time and space did not define the Dreamtime...these were instead facets that arose as a consequence of our dream in the divine. It was the unity of the heart and the mind, a joining of being into a perfect sphere. There is something else. All beings participate in the Dreamtime, each "after their own kind:" the cry of the wolf; the roar of the lion; the piercing gaze of the hawk high above in the vault of the sun and sky. With the gift given to us, we are able to participate in the Dreamtime of others after their own kind - we "named" them. This is a gift beyond compare, for it is through the use of our gift that we join in another Dreamtime of incomprehensible scope, of beauty unimaginable, and depth never-ending. Have you ever held the stars in the palm of your hand? Listened to the solar winds and the music of the spheres? Every sparrow is of inestimable value and the passage of a million years is only a pleasant afternoon in this Dreamtime of the Divine...the radiance of glory and the comforting simplicity of an afternoon at the lake. The mind of God is incomprehensible, and yet we may join his thought by simply being who we are. That is what we lost. We lost the Dreamtime, and started dreaming in its place. A shattered sphere fragments into hemispheres; and in place of the endless possibilities and unity of our Dreamtime we began to echo within the halls of separation and the illusion of isolation. Life became a dream, which in turn could become a nightmare. Yet there is purpose still to the unfathomable, and sense beyond the veil of confusion and spectacle of ruin. We fell so that we might rise, We lost so that we might gain; We wander so that we might find our way... Not alone but all together, Joining hands in the cleansing rain.
The light of truth shall be our vision, The truth of light shall guide our ways; We choose so that we might ascend... Not alone but all of us together, Singing our song to the Ancient of Days.We are not meant to do this alone. Look to your left..what do you see? Someone else just like you shattered into hemispheres...someone else, trying just like you, to find their way back to the Dreamtime. The burden is terribly heavy and virtually unbearable carrying it on your own...but together? We can carry mountains and cross any chasm. Of course, this is all hypothetical and just conjecture on my part. A dream I have had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 17:09:08 GMT -6
I think it's a wonderful dream.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 5, 2011 23:07:06 GMT -6
That was very poetic, BW. Sometimes your writing amazes me.
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Post by paulette on Jul 6, 2011 10:09:15 GMT -6
You are an eloquent writer Bewildered. I too believe that the sundering of heart and mind is the single most lethal thing that humans have brought about. It allows for the justification of objectifying everyone into, well, things. Trees are board foot things and fish are protein unit things and other people are collaterally damaged things. The First Nations people identified this illness in us early on but were powerless to stop us or make us whole again. Together as people is not enough. It's the whole planet or no thing. As we carelessly cut holes in the web of life and it simplifies we are all losers. Except perhaps for the ultimate survivors - roaches, rats, bacteria, etc. They may be the inheritors of our kingdom of folly.
If I sound more than a little bitter - I just had a conversation with a logging company rep here on my beautiful Vancouver Island. She told me that "the public" were NEVER going to be allowed back into the back country (that they were GIVEN from Crown Land - mutually owned by all Canadians) But "the public" were not around the day the deals were made in the back room with the international company. There were stocked fishing lakes and rustic campsites. There were hundreds of miles of roads to wander. All behind locked gates - no more fish enhancement - the companies can and do spray insecticide and there are no pubic "eyes" to witness or challenge their use of the land. This is thingifying at its best. My land. I'll do whatever I want to it. Tell me Bewildered - how can this change? Have you seen a way?? I just watched the Book of Eli (Denizen Washington) about a post apocalyptic world. He found various groups of survivors - who were going to tell people how it used to be (and presumably rebuild toward that). Therein planting the seeds for yet another cycle??
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Post by bewildered on Jul 6, 2011 19:05:36 GMT -6
There are times when I establish the connection. I'm typically as surprised as anyone else is when it occurs. It's one of those "why" questions I keep locked away inside. I can sit and write 1,000 words that mean absolutely nothing. Perhaps one day, I'll dig up an essay I wrote titled "Peanut Abuse." Much ado over nothing - I wrote it to prove a point to myself, that one may release a volume of words while never saying anything in the process. When the veil parts and I see something...that is another matter entirely. It grips me and holds me spellbound; time ceases to exist and the world around me fades away. It's exhausting. I can only write that way for so long before I must stop. You are an eloquent writer Bewildered. I too believe that the sundering of heart and mind is the single most lethal thing that humans have brought about. It allows for the justification of objectifying everyone into, well, things. Trees are board foot things and fish are protein unit things and other people are collaterally damaged things. The First Nations people identified this illness in us early on but were powerless to stop us or make us whole again. Together as people is not enough. It's the whole planet or no thing. As we carelessly cut holes in the web of life and it simplifies we are all losers. Except perhaps for the ultimate survivors - roaches, rats, bacteria, etc. They may be the inheritors of our kingdom of folly. It is a symptom of our illness, paulette, that we dwell not in the world and with the world, but instead wander aimlessly in the shadows of our own dreamscape. The Dreamtime is a harmonious symphony of reality where we play a part; the dreamscape is a pseudo-world where all things are a part of ourselves. Thus, the creation of things, simulacra that approximate the denizens of the Dreamtime. These are nothing but extensions of our own ego and the conscious construct. We even go so far as to weave simulations of other people, in addition to harboring illusory images of ourselves. The shattering of the sphere of unity into hemispheres gave rise to the dreamscape of our delusion and doom. The cycle might also be expressed as a wave, a spiral manifestation oscillating throughout the matrix of the universe. Concepts like "density" enter into the picture as it is necessary to differentiate between individual manifestation in the energy/matter "matrix" of the universe. For reference purposes, we manifest as 3rd density entities in the matrix. The "elders" I have written about in this thread are decidedly 4th density entities. I know - it sounds like mumbo-jumbo - but consider the energy/matter Matrix as the underlying framework of reality in the universe. The development of the soul and the emergent consciousness defines manifestation in the matrix. All energy moves under the motive impetus of the creative, evolving it. The entropic stagnates and decays energy, reversing movement and devolving it. The matrix seems to be a balance of the creative and entropic. Yin and yang. Only the arrival of the wave will change things, I think...and then, it will only be a change applicable to individuals, not an entire species. It is a hard and difficult thing to swallow: the damage, igannance, and carelessness of others serves as their life of lessons, and even the life of lessons of others affected by their reverberations in the matrix. You are where you are, and others are where they are, and the wave (cycle) will only take you where you should be next. Some, 4th density...others, a continuation of 3rd density. Do you give, or do you take? Do you build, or destroy? There is a lesson that may be learned watching the world go by. The silence of the deeps whispers of things unseen and never known by man...and it is there that you might chance to meet the Muse of Oblivion in the gloom of the end. What she might show you, if you don't speak and remain quiet in the darkness, is the glory of everything that unfolds under the sun. Her tears are the cleansing rain; her sadness is the joy of Spring; her weakness is the strength that never yields. She is a contradiction: both darkness and light, freezing cold and fervent heat, sanity and insanity. There are no words for what she is, only song...and if you have ever listened to the music of the perfect sphere, then you have heard her voice. That is the only thing that can change any of us, paulette. Not everyone can hear her. Our elders do. The hemispheres must be joined into unity again.
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Post by bewildered on Jul 6, 2011 20:58:16 GMT -6
Swearing doesn't have any meaning for men because they do it without a second thought. If they really want to insult somebody they just beat the crap out of each other. So much for being god-like... To an ET race we really must appear to be a bunch of savages, with our wars and violent games and all of the destruction we cause to the environment. You don't see ants in an ant colony robbing and raping and murdering their own people. You'll see some species enslaving others. Some even insinuate themselves into a foreign colony and essentially assume control. Parasitism is a facet of existence, and difficult to understand in the shadows of our dreamscape. Think of the "velvet ant" - in reality a wingless wasp - and how this insect preys upon the larvae of other wasps. The female velvet ant finds a larval chamber of another wasp - say, a cicada killer or spider hunter - and lays her eggs into what is essentially the hard work of another creature. Her egg hatches first, her larva consuming everything in there as food...both the other wasps' larvae and the paralyzed victims the other wasp left for its young. Chilling when you consider it, but there you go. Our own shortcomings, when viewed by a hypothetical entity beyond our own particular position, might not appear as odious as you might think they might...particularly when these beings have already traveled the paths we ourselves are negotiating right now. Do you regard an infant with disdain just because they cannot control their limbs as well as you can? Consider what happened to us - and keeps happening to us - over and over again. Like Groundhog Day, we keep rising from slumber to regard our own shadow for a brief time, only to sink down into oblivion once more. The imperative here is not that you are slumbering - for indeed, we are asleep at the wheel - rather, the goal is to wake up. It is how we grow and develop that soul, the mysterious connection to Spirit. I do not consider anyone as "lesser," because different people are at different places. Being able to see and appreciate the difference is something that a hypothetical advanced being such as our "elders" experience. They know, because they have been there before. We might not be as dumb and insignificant as one might believe. We do indeed have enemies in the universe...though these enemies are truly alien to our own experience in every regard. They might be considered as "gods" in their own right, but they are not like us nor our elders at all.
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Post by graveyardhound on Jul 11, 2011 9:33:59 GMT -6
You do know that whole cultures have been killed off, while being saved, soul wise, for even thinking such heresy, not to mention putting it down in the written word. The preceeding has been brought to you by "The Holy Office", or if you perfer, "The Office of the Inquisition". "Mea culpa, mea culpa"
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Post by paulette on Jul 11, 2011 11:34:41 GMT -6
Yes indeed graveyardhound. Protestants and Jesuits and Catholics all went in to "clean up" countryside areas in Europe. They wiped out sects that believed that women could represent God (The Cathars and others). They wiped out herbalists and midwifes who dared to intervene with fate and pull someone back to health. Knowledge and questioning the status quo has always been dangerous. We are just talking here and Skywalker can tell you about the hits this site receives that are likely government based. Ghosts from certain addresses that never say a word.
This is amusing to me but I am not unaware that in some way I could be disadvantaged by participating here. I use my name because I do not believe for a moment that they don't have my computer address, home address, etc. THEY (the protectors of the status quo) have many masters but always the same job.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 11, 2011 20:27:24 GMT -6
That's very true, Paulette. They keep a very close eye on us but I doubt it would ever go further than that. Our little forum is insignificant as far as they are concerned. They just want to make sure it stays that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 23:54:19 GMT -6
Millions have been killed in the name of religion..not God. 900,000 women alone who were branded 'witches'. Government agencies monitor the net constantly and for the most part have no or little interest in people talking about UFO's. They perk up if their software catches specific phrases and words they are set to look for but most of them are related to national security. When it comes to UFO truth..we are our own worse enemies. Everyone seems to want to believe everything they read and then spread that to the point that eventually we look like jokes...and the government has nothing to worry about because we've shot ourselves in the foot. It's so much more fascinating to me to hear accounts of multiple sightings over O'hare airport than someones account of someone who said they had sex with a gorgeous alien woman who wanted to have their love child. Much more interesting to hear a Travis Walton account than someone claiming they're in contact with a ship in orbit around the earth and they're coming to invite us into the galactic federation. Why? Because it sounds more plausible that they come and hijack people, take their samples for whatever reason and drop them off with their clothes backwards..than them wanting to be galactic bff's with us. So when they do read, you can bet there's a whole lot of smirking and eye rolling going on...but..at least we're entertaining
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Post by paulette on Jul 12, 2011 11:28:54 GMT -6
Hey all you ghosts and listeners. I'm sure you think I and some of the posters here are nuts. But if you were to have a conversation with your friends and family (if they trust talking to you) one or more of them would have had a sighting and perhaps even some are wondering what happened in those lost two hours. But to really brighten up what must be a dull job - I wish for you the growing unease on a clear blue day and the silence that falls around a craft in the sky that is not ours and then, OH SHEET! What is THAT!!! - A firsthand experience. Then you can come and talk to us (because if you report it and your job is monitoring the crazoos then your name will go on that list.) We'd love to talk to you.
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