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Post by halfsack13 on Jan 7, 2011 7:15:48 GMT -6
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Post by sansseed on Jan 7, 2011 14:50:30 GMT -6
I read this article, and was a bit surprised by the vitriol that some showed. At what point are we going to stop rejecting that which we cannot see or understand? Look at all the people throughout history that were persecuted for bring forth a different idea and yet, later shown to be correct (Galileo). Are we no less enlightened then we were in the middle ages? Apparently, not.
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Post by breakarm87 on Aug 9, 2011 11:22:18 GMT -6
Another good example of Science ignoring studies that don't fit what they THINK they should based on what they THINK. That whole entire field happens to be full of theories that aren't facts. You know they go out on limbs when diagnosing people with mental disorders. We really don't understand the brain as much as we understand the ocean.
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Post by breakarm87 on Aug 9, 2011 11:47:44 GMT -6
I think a lot of so called mental disorders could very well be something else, I also think people can cure some of the so called disorders themselves. All you have to do is control your mind and not let it control you. I went through a stage where I just had these WEIRD feelings I can't really describe what they were, but then I got very very depressed and just felt like there was no hope whatsoever in the world. It was like I would just lay on the couch and didn't even wanna think about getting up to walk outside, I got scared to walk outside for NO REASON. I went to see a doctor he said I had PTSD(post traumatic stress disorder) from losing my father and grandmother in a 2 year span. I still don't buy his thoughts on that, but I took zoloft which he prescribed. I got to the 6 month mark and wanted off of it, he insisted I stay on another 6 months so I said well if you insist i'll go for 6 more months. Now I will admit the medicine could have helped some or it could have not. I know what helped me the most is I WANTED to feel better so I started trying to figure out what makes me feel like I did, to this day I still don't know what cause those anxious feelings, I mean i do but not sure what it is. Its just this sudden realization of something that sticks in my mind and follows with overwhelming fear of absolutely nothing. I can't really describe in words how it felt. But it wasn't a one thing or anything specific that make the feeling just the feeling itself that made me scared. Its something about reality changing in front of your eyes errrrr something to that effect I guess. Anyways when I started trying to fix myself so to speak. I learned I can control practically everything my body does. I can control my heart rate, my feeling, and my mind most importantly. I am the person in control not some irrational feeling. Well I learned some things that help me. When I would start having one of those feelings and anxiety would start building up I would use my techniques I made up myself that helped me personally. I would use prayer, reading, running, breathing. Now it was anxiety attacks that I was having im sure but it's what was causing them that was confusing me. I understand what anxiety is but had never had it effect me like that. I can't explain in words what the feeling was that would bring on these attacks because it wasn't a normal stimuli causing it. Wasn't nothing anyone said, nothing I was thinking about, it just sorta woulda happened. Here is one of the things I remember. I remember I had one of the feelings, only thing I can compare it too is if you have ever tried Marijuana and gotten a spaced out sort of feeling, I have tried marijuana when i was younger but never really liked the stuff much just tried it a couple times. But anyways it's kinda like that spaced out feeling but different in a way I can't describe and it's not cause by taking drugs or anything of the sort. I would just be sitting around reading, watching tv, ect... when it would happen. It's like you all of a sudden disconnect from reality and lose control of reality but at the same time your still in reality and it creates a very weird feeling. I don't wanna write all day because I could, but to make a long story short my doctor didn't help me out that much he seemed a little out there to me and I essentially fixed myself because the medicine never made the feelings go away but I admit the medicine at the same time could have possibly helped me control my feelings a little better. To throw in some contributing factors, it could be possible that taking Ritalin and Adderall most of my life up until that point (age 15 when all this happened) could have created and area where I didn't know how to control my emotions or mind without synthetic help. Which is why my kid I don't care how hyper he gets will never be put on those types of drugs they had me on. I think kids deserve to be kids while their young it's a stage you go through. But anyways I fixed my mind and I learned to deal with my emotions, i was on the Zoloft for a year I had quit the adderall and I wanted off the Zoloft, the doctor told me to just quit taking it, but I did my own research like I always to plus my uncle has a lot of medical training and found out if I just QUIT taking it I would have horrible withdrawals coming off of Zoloft, made it seem to me like the doctor was trying to set me up for failure. So I tapered off of it over the course of a week in a half. My mind felt like it cleared up from being off of the Zoloft and already being off of Adderall for a year also. For the first time in awhile I felt what I would describe as normal with no drugs being in my system. I still had the same problems as before but my mind was clearer and I learned to deal with my mind in my own way. To this day 8 almost 9 years later I have no problems with anxiety whatsoever, I feel good as far as my mind goes, sometimes the body doesn't feel too great from all the hard stresses I have put on it like bicycle wrecks, twisted ankles and such lol. But I feel like anyone can control their mind to make themselves better if they want to. It just takes willpower and wanting to get better and telling everyone I don't care what you think I WILL make myself feel better! Most of my friends say I come off as a miltaristic type person and I really did wanna join the military for the longest time. I still might but never did make up my mind on that. So I go to college and work in the meantime. To sum this all up I think the human brain is very misunderstood and judged based on a lot of assumptions. I think there are ways of treating conditions without medicine that may actually work better, not to say the medicine doesn't help though......... because it seems like some people no matter how much you try to help them will never help themselves so they have to have the synthetic help.
Just thought i would share that, first time I have EVER wrote that ordeal out for someone to read. I have explained it in person before which is a lot better because I don't feel like typing it all. Thats just some of my thoughts on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 14:48:55 GMT -6
Wow breakarm! ~hugs~
Thank you so much for sharing this with us!
According to my girlfriend who has a lot of anxiety problems, anxiety does not necessarily need to have a cause... but then again I am not a psychologist, nor have I taken psychology courses so I am no expert on this subject matter by any stretch of the imagination....
When you describe "spacing out" I used to call "Zoning out". My parents and my sister used to pick on me because I did that very often as a child and a young adult. I would just stare off into the distance until somebody would say my name, or touch me or make a loud noise to get my attention. My mother used to smirk at me and say "Earth to Lorelei!"
My former therapist told me that what that was was called "Dissociation". That means, you disconnect yourself from reality as a defense mechanism to prevent you from feeling bad feelings or remembering painful or traumatic experiences. People who have PTSD (I was unofficially diagnosed with it from a nurse as well... but none of my doctors wanted to actually write it down because I was only 15 at the time...) dissociate more often than normal people. It is one of its primary symptoms. Flashbacks is another one...
I have these problems too. I'm glad you were able to overcome them without medication. I too was put on a regimen of medications... anti-depressants... anti-anxiety meds... meds to help my insomnia... the list goes on... lol... from when I was 14 until I was 20. When I was 20, my new psychologist took me off of all of the meds and told me she felt I would get better when I was taken off of them. She was right. The meds were actually making me WORSE than before.
I still have to take meds though now... but only for migraines, sinus problems and insomnia... but yea...
~hugs and smoochies~ ;D
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Post by breakarm87 on Aug 9, 2011 22:18:01 GMT -6
Yeah I used to do that a lot when i was little and my mom would have to touch my shoulder to get me too look at her. They actually say thats a sign of absence seizures, but they checked me for all that and also to make sure I didn't have any brain tumors. Everything came back negative and as far as they could tell i was very healthy physically and had no problems. The term zone out is a term i use to try and describe. I can't really describe what it felt like. I'll try, it's like I'll be standing there say looking at something and I do tend to go deep into thought a lot but just normal stuff but something suddenly changes and everything is different somehow, I can still walk and talk to people and associate normal with them. But I have this horrible feeling of dread like Im somewhere else and can't control where I am even though I am controlling my physical body. That still doesn't really describe what it's like but it's hard to using words. I mean I have been depressed before and it seemed different than that to me. I haven't had any problems since way back then maybe a couple episodes at 17 but I had learned how to control my mind by then and was VERY easily able to overcome the anxiety. The way I beat the panic/anxiety attacks was just remembering that they usually only lasted 20mins top so 10mins in it's the worse and then it just gets better from there. They timing them helped me stop those completely. I can handle stress very well now. I feel I have grown up a lot since I was 15. Im 23 now and doing great.
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Post by breakarm87 on Aug 9, 2011 22:18:29 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing some of your experience also. *hugs back*
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Post by breakarm87 on Aug 9, 2011 22:21:59 GMT -6
Im not sure if it was a defense mechanism or not though. I guess that could be a possibility. I really understand why some people commit suicide if they get that feeling ALL the time though. Thats something that never ever crossed my mind though which kinda baffled the doctors I visited, I never not once, even when I was at my absolute worst and couldn't really leave the couch I never ever thought about hurting or killing myself. Taking my own life just goes against everything I think my life represents. It makes me mad at people who do take their life cause I can understand sometimes why they would but it makes me mad they just give up and don't fight to control their own body and conquer it.
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Post by bewildered on Nov 1, 2011 3:36:32 GMT -6
Hello, breakarm87. I've read what you have written here, and it interests me as I'm not completely unfamiliar with what you experienced. Hopefully you'll get around to visiting here again at some point. I'm coming into this thread a tad late, which is a consequence of my latest period of "silence and contemplation."
It's quite obvious that you are shifting into altered states of consciousness, called trance by some. Others might think of it as spacing out. I know this very well as I do it myself constantly: mostly unintentional, though on rare occasions I purposefully cultivate it. The fact of the matter is I'm typically in such a state whenever I write (I am right now), or when I concentrate on anything. At this level it's rather casual. When gripped by a vision, it can be intense and the quality of disassociation from my surroundings can be profound. I've lost hours and even days that way.
I'm not that mystified by the struggles you've had with darkness, for I have walked the very same places myself over and over during my life. There's an unfortunate consequence we must come to grips with: clarity of vision always imparts an almost inexpressible sadness to the soul, and this can have side effects in the balance of our mind. You realize that we all walk about within these strange bubbles of our little reality, safeguarding ourselves against what at times seems like a savage and cruel universe. Disassociating from this bubble by shifting your mode of awareness and cognizance causes unpredictable "ripples" to occur in your ego. In a very real way, your mind is reaching out beyond the cage of the ego and that can be a difficult thing to come to grips with.
Depression is a common side effect. Suicide is the ego's answer to what it perceives as unbearable pain...in a nutshell, the ego is only concerned with feeling good about itself and the world. When that is attacked by the clarity of vision such as what different states of awareness delivers...well, you know what can happen then.
Anxiety is also a side effect. That can be more difficult to deal with as it kicks your adrenal system into high gear, bombarding your mind with panic signals. Far from being an "illness" or a disorder, it is a byproduct of what you have been filtering into your ego and consciousness. Unless you can rearrange your mind, ego, and your conscious to deal with your knowledge and projections, anxiety and depression can quite literally exhaust you to death, leaving you in a severe apathetic state where something such as suicide is not a "cry for help" nor an attention-getter. At that point, your ego sees it as blessed relief. I've been there, and I emerged alive. Like yourself, I seized upon the lesson that waiting for me in those desperate places
It's entirely avoidable...but it's a hard road to travel, my friend. It's not over for you yet, though I applaud you for attaining the understanding that you indeed possess all the tools needed to rid yourself of possible pathological imbalances in the psychology of your mind. Recognizing what they are is the first step. Understanding that they are side-effects of perception is the next step. Experiencing that all light follows darkness and darkness always follows light, you'll begin to understand that all things are because they are (as insane as that statement sounds). That's the gateway. You'll understand Yin-Yang in a very profound way...one that most assuredly goes far beyond mere words to ever express.
I might use the illustration of the Tiger and the Dragon to help explain the essence of what is happening to you, as it's something from my own experience. In the old schools of Japanese and Chinese martial arts, the student is not learning how to harm people. No, the student is learning how to more fully become himself by learning how his mind and body work, relate, and flow. You learn of the Tiger and of the Dragon.
At first you learn of the Tiger, the Beast that is within you. The Tiger is reaction, force, and focused intent. You learn how to punch, how to center yourself, how to absorb blows, and how to toughen and strengthen your body. You learn by rote and repetition. In the old schools this training is harsh and grueling. The Tiger does not think, it reacts.
This corresponds to your ego.
The Dragon is elusive and is the most difficult creature to see. The Dragon is not force nor is it reaction. The Dragon knows and is therefore the state of being: of knowing. When you meditate, you seek to touch the Dragon and learn how to unleash him. You realize that the goal of martial arts training is not to become a butt-kicking machine. Rather, you are becoming one who knows and understands who you are, where you are, and who other people are. The Dragon knows, it creates, and projects into the future. The Dragon corresponds with your mind, your awareness, and your intention. Thus, you may discover that violence may be entirely avoided if you simply see and understand, instead of reacting.
The path is pretty clear. You may only meet the Dragon by first coming to terms with the Tiger. This mirrors the process you are going through. You are beginning to learn how your mind works, and the effect that perception has on your entire body and mind system. Not everyone who travels this path comes out alive. Depression is a very real danger that can overwhelm you.
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