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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 10:18:23 GMT -6
Wow...
That's interesting JC.
Was there an old injury that made your spine this way, or were you born like that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 0:07:07 GMT -6
Wow... That's interesting JC. Was there an old injury that made your spine this way, or were you born like that? Fell down flight of cement steps (at 18 mo.) Involved in car accident before "car seats" (at 3 yrs.. I remember this. We were pulling into the drive-in around a blind curve. Another car driver came out this way when it was only an entrance. He hit us so hard that I "flew" from the back seat through a space between the front seats and hit the dash board.) My dad took me "surfing" on CA. coast. Rogue wave "smashed" and rolled me into the sand as I struggled for shore (grade school age). Several falls while both snow skiing and water skiing (12 yrs. old and up) 2 major car accidents where someone pulled out in front of me. Both times I was going between 35-40 miles an hour. First time, skid marks for 10 feet (totaled my firebird ). Second time, no skid marks (there was no other traffic and I totaled my lebaron). I now always drive with lights on....(at time frame between 22 and 28 yrs. old) Hit bridge abutment at 65 miles per hour and totaled a ford escort wagon. (car on cruise control. 7:30 a.m. 2001. Fell asleep briefly. I never use cruise control again). Fight. (one of many). Standing at drivers' side of someones car talking. Driver grabs my arm and hits reverse for approx. 20 feet. I was able to stay on my feet most of the way..... Someone holding both my wrists and yelling in my face. I head butted them HARD. They let go (all fights before kids born; before 1994) 2003. Jumped off tail gate of truck to pavement. Wore a large back-pack for 6 hours after. This is the only time I went to hospital. Ruptured 2 discs in low back........and begged for pain meds. This is all I remember right now. Next time I'll also list the 'other' misc. adventures I've had that should have killed me .
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Post by skywalker on Dec 15, 2011 20:13:25 GMT -6
You sound like you have had almost as many "accidents" as I have. It's a wonder either of us are still alive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 12:15:56 GMT -6
Wow... And I thought I was accident prone with trees falling on me and what not... my problems pale in comparison to both of yours...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 18:51:39 GMT -6
You sound like you have had almost as many "accidents" as I have. It's a wonder either of us are still alive. Well, I seem to be "out of the loop". Can I run over to your thread, skywalker, and see all your mishaps listed?? ;D
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Post by skywalker on Dec 16, 2011 19:07:30 GMT -6
I don't know if I have ever listed all of the boneheaded things that have happened to me. I know I listed a few of them somewhere but I have no idea where. I'll give you a brief list of some of them. When I was three I fell out of a swing and smashed my face on a car hood that was laying on the ground. (I lived in a junk yard) It knocked three of my teeth out and gave me a concussion. When I was four I was molested by some guy who beat the crap out of me and threw me in a ditch so I smacked my head on a rock. Got another concussion. When I was seven I wrecked my bicycle and broke my jaw and got another concussion. That same year I also broke my nose for the first time...and did it again about three more times after that. When I was a teenager I fell about six feet and landed on my head on the hard concrete. I broke my toe and got another concussion. I've also broke me leg twice, sprained my ankle at least two dozen times, and had several more concussions later in life. And after all that I still haven't learned my lesson because I still do the same stupid things that I used to do. I guess I must be braindead from all of those concussions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 19:58:28 GMT -6
I don't know if I have ever listed all of the boneheaded things that have happened to me. I know I listed a few of them somewhere but I have no idea where. I'll give you a brief list of some of them. When I was three I fell out of a swing and smashed my face on a car hood that was laying on the ground. (I lived in a junk yard) It knocked three of my teeth out and gave me a concussion. When I was four I was molested by some guy who beat the crap out of me and threw me in a ditch so I smacked my head on a rock. Got another concussion. When I was seven I wrecked my bicycle and broke my jaw and got another concussion. That same year I also broke my nose for the first time...and did it again about three more times after that. When I was a teenager I fell about six feet and landed on my head on the hard concrete. I broke my toe and got another concussion. I've also broke me leg twice, sprained my ankle at least two dozen times, and had several more concussions later in life. And after all that I still haven't learned my lesson because I still do the same stupid things that I used to do. I guess I must be braindead from all of those concussions. Let's be realistic here. "Someone" (or "something") is trying to take you OUT. They've been trying for a long time ;P . If anything, that many head injuries (focus on the head), they at least WANT you to be 'tupid. Why? Humor me. For 10 days, at least. Please? Just meditate on this angle for a bit.... You may as well; you're going to 'be around for a long time ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 0:10:48 GMT -6
Geez sky!!! Did they ever catch the guy who molesed you? I hope they did and I hope he got raped in prison...
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Post by skywalker on Dec 17, 2011 8:25:20 GMT -6
I never told anybody about what happened. The dude did end up going to jail for a bunch of other stuff though. He was just a general all around no-good criminal. He's probably a politician now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 16:42:21 GMT -6
I never told anybody about what happened. The dude did end up going to jail for a bunch of other stuff though. He was just a general all around no-good criminal. He's probably a politician now. Did anyone notice you were hurt? It amazes me to this day how kids walk around with obvious bruises/marks and it seems people don't ask about it. My sister hit me only twice in our lives. The first time was a "joke". Remember, she's 5 yrs. older. She told me to say " no" after everything she said (Ok. . ). "Horse (her). No (me). Tree (her). No (me). Duck (her). No (me)." BAM! black eye for me (I didn't "duck"). No one asked about my eye.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 0:28:46 GMT -6
My sister and I used to fight all the time. Every time I would try to hug her (ya'll know me and hugs...) she would slug me... that's what siblings do.
Seeing a child with a bruise is a common thing though... kids have bike accidents... sledding accidents... slips and trips... usually bruises are not a huge concern for most adults... unless they're big and deep...
I was always getting hurt as a kid. I've always been accident prone. I actually broke my ankle chasing after a volleyball once at school during gym class because I somehow managed to step on my foot just at the right angle to snap the bone...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 14:42:22 GMT -6
Seeing a child with a bruise is a common thing though... kids have bike accidents... sledding accidents... slips and trips... usually bruises are not a huge concern for most adults... unless they're big and deep... Of course . Curiousity should be just as common. If I have a bandaid on my finger, one or two kids always want to know what I did. And then that information gets around....
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Post by skywalker on Dec 18, 2011 17:15:36 GMT -6
Did anyone notice you were hurt? It amazes me to this day how kids walk around with obvious bruises/marks and it seems people don't ask about it. Some other dude found me lying in the ditch with blood all over my face and head and he carried me home. My mom asked what happened and I lied and told her that I had wrecked my bicycle. She said, "well, you should be more careful next time." I never forgave her for that. I know it wasn't her fault but I was only four years old...I just thought that moms should know when their children need them.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 18, 2011 17:18:42 GMT -6
Let's be realistic here. "Someone" (or "something") is trying to take you OUT. They've been trying for a long time ;P . If anything, that many head injuries (focus on the head), they at least WANT you to be 'tupid. Why? Humor me. For 10 days, at least. Please? Just meditate on this angle for a bit.... You may as well; you're going to 'be around for a long time ;D Luckily I have a hard head. Whoever it is will have to do more than that to knock some sense into me... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 6:16:11 GMT -6
Did anyone notice you were hurt? It amazes me to this day how kids walk around with obvious bruises/marks and it seems people don't ask about it. Some other dude found me lying in the ditch with blood all over my face and head and he carried me home. My mom asked what happened and I lied and told her that I had wrecked my bicycle. She said, "well, you should be more careful next time." I never forgave her for that. I know it wasn't her fault but I was only four years old...I just thought that moms should know when their children need them. I understand. Its things like this that "made me" want to be around children. Parents aren't enough. Including for my own. "It takes a village..." (one of my favorite sayings ). I was also thinking, ONLY 4 YRS. OLD. I'm thinking that you were self-aware much younger than this. I hope you have some happy memories around this age also! (that's all I can do. Seeing as you're a grown man and doing better than most . Just have hope for you.) Thank you for sharing. It gives all of us hope.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 7:19:31 GMT -6
Geez sky!!! Did they ever catch the guy who molesed you? I hope they did and I hope he got raped in prison... I hope he went to prison too and I also hope "Terrell taught him well ". The same thing almost happened to me in Las Vegas when I was 12 . If I hadnt broke free from that pervert it probably would've been a different story .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 18:49:15 GMT -6
Geez sky!!! Did they ever catch the guy who molesed you? I hope they did and I hope he got raped in prison... I hope he went to prison too and I also hope "Terrell taught him well ". The same thing almost happened to me in Las Vegas when I was 12 . If I hadnt broke free from that pervert it probably would've been a different story . I wish I was shocked. This happens to girls and boys. Then later, as pauline said, "dates turn bad". Then there's the elderly getting attacked. I had some "close calls". Became "over-reactive", I guess. One time I was stopped at a light (years ago without automatic door locks). Some guy got in my passenger side probably just hoping for a ride. I punched him so hard he immediately got back out and I floored it, making him fall down in the street, I guess. I couldn't even tell you what he looked like. I wasn't taking any chances.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 19:22:06 GMT -6
and cliff, I'm sure sorry that something almost happened to you. So glad you broke free, but a shame you had to.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 19, 2011 20:20:51 GMT -6
Let's be realistic here. "Someone" (or "something") is trying to take you OUT. They've been trying for a long time ;P . If anything, that many head injuries (focus on the head), they at least WANT you to be 'tupid. Why? Humor me. For 10 days, at least. Please? Just meditate on this angle for a bit.... You may as well; you're going to 'be around for a long time ;D I have actually thought about this quite a bit in the past...just wondering why so many bad things happened to me when I was young. Nothing bad ever happened to any of my family or friends but with me it was just one thing after another. The thought did cross my mind that somebody (God perhaps ) might have been punishing me for some reason. I have no idea why it would have happened but it made me very unreligious for a while...and angry as well. I had some very negative feelings for a long time because of it. After thinking about it and living with it for so many years I am no longer upset about it. I think that whatever happened, no matter how bad it may have been at the time, has made me into the person that I am today. I did experience a lot of pain and discomfort, but that has only made me stronger. It's taught me a lot about life and has given me insights into things that I never would have understood otherwise. My UFO and abduction experiences have done the same thing. So now, instead of blaming God for punishing me I'm wondering if maybe he was instead preparing me for something. Like maybe there is something that I am supposed to do perhaps...some task that I am supposed to accomplish. Could it be that maybe we are all fated to do certain things and the gods are behind the scenes pulling the strings or nudging us in certain directions to make sure we all play our parts? I dunno. It's something interesting to think about though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 23:11:00 GMT -6
~hugz sky~
Same here. I was also the victim of a "date gone bad" Paulette... but yea...
This sort of thing actually happens a lot more than most people realize... because nobody ever really talks about it... some of my girlfriends have told me stories in confidence... but... yea...
People are mean. People are cruel. People do terrible things to one another. This is an unfortunate fact of life...
Doesn't mean we can't whoop their butts for it though... ~smirk~
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 23:37:23 GMT -6
well, it hasn't been 10 days. . . . Sometimes, my short (duration) dreams are the most insightful. I dreamed I was standing at a bar. Nothin' fancy. I was myself, and just standing there as if I might order something. There were a couple of people to my right sitting on stools, past them some people standing, and a few people to my left. Busy afternoon (I mean, it didn't feel late)(?) but I didn't feel crowded. I had a pleasant, casual feeling. (the place looked like this "coyote" bar and restaurant at 40 hiway that's now closed). Suddenly, a "huge man" (like 7 ft tall and 3 foot wide) dressed all in black came bursting through the front door of the place about 25 feet to my right. It looked like he had a big hood on or something, and he was so quick I couldn't see his face. Everyone turned, as he was loud opening that door and then he was 'roaring' (I guess) as he walked. Next thing I knew, matter of seconds, he was upon me, it was actually a huge growl noise, and he......walked into me. I felt something hit my body, and then he was gone. I'm standing there with my mouth open and just thinking "Man, he was PI_ _ _D! and woke up. That answered MY question. I've almost died a bunch of times, and the angel of death is angry. Every time "he" thinks he has me, someone's come along and saved my butt. ;D Yes, my Father G_d is in control of everything. And He still tells the "death angel" to do his job. However, I think the "death angel" is one of the angels that defected and also tries to take people out before "their time". Why do good people die young? Because someone can't stand how much they influence and have the potential to continue their goodness against evil on this earth. Just another theory. Not saying that those "allowed to die" are weaker or anything; but as I see it we have choices. Get stronger, coast along, or join the other side. Pick your poison. (oooooo, I'm sounding soooo negative. I did just tell you about "meeting" death, didn't I ?) Can I do the smiley things now?? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 0:01:36 GMT -6
Wow... the Angel of Death. I dreamed about him once too a couple years ago... he wasn't scary though like in your dream...
He was standing in front of me in a dark room staring at me (couldn't see his face for the dark hood). I was staring back at him, obviously a little nervous. "What?" I asked him.
"IT IS YOUR TIME!" he rasped at me.
"Uhm... really?" I said in a worried tone of voice.
"...NO..." he growled in response and laughed. I woke up rolling my eyes... lol...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2011 6:29:52 GMT -6
I love your experiences, lorelei! ;D
It happened so quickly that I didn't know what "hit" me. No pun intended. Hit me like a "train wreck".
I didn't even have real time to be afraid. One of those somber deals where you're left shaking your head, and then clarity. "Oh". (then, "oh cr_p").
And that's me too ;D . Me, as in : a little afraid, AFTER.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 13:32:18 GMT -6
This week makes "1 Month of Therapy" of my structural body that I have endured . That makes 15 or so sessions. I am still committed to this, though some days after work (when I'm feeling good) I'd rather skip. If I go 3 days in a row, I'm sore for 2 days, then wow! I feel great! So, this week I tried 2 days in a row, one day off, and back again to get in there 3 x a week. Better so far . I have a long way to go....but already "comfortable" with better posture and less foot problems! Yah! Trying to be extra conscious of how I sit (though I'm on my feet most of my life ) and now sleeping with one of those horrible pillows that are supposed to be good for the neck. Some nights I wake often because of ? something?. I think I'm just uncomfortable and have to switch positions many times, but THIS is weird for me because I USED to pretty much stay in one position all night (thus also causing problems with my spine; arms, feet ). I was hoping on a different kind of hearing.....I think I expect some changes and mentioned that before now. Well, my hearing is more intense. I guess I finally know what people mean by stating that they have a "buzz" (lol). And this is something attainable??? Yes, I hear a mild "buzzing" all the time now; x 1 week. It's not bad. I mean that it is tolerable. I picture it as my brain cells making a noise as they vibrate. They are getting "rejuvenated". More oxygen, etc. My dr. and I have already talked about days that I feel full of adrenaline. This is with no drugs and no excercise (more than stretching), mind you. I haven't even walked the dog . My kids have, and I walked along. I prolly miss him and I walking alone the most. oh. And I have another dog right now. My sister is in the process of moving to my old house from Ca. and I'm keeping her chihuahua. I have to bend over to pick him up, but he's a smart guy! If I'm walking by the staircase he immediately runs up it to about the 4th stair and looks at me like "pick me up now!" I'm slowly coming 'round to why these pooches are a fave. Anyhow, my "ear ringing" IS less. However, I think the joke is on me. What I'm about to say is totally insane. Over a week ago, driving under an "unknown" way, way up in the sky (just a light in vision), I swear I heard three chimes of a bell (like from a church tower). The light had caught my attention, don't know why, and this is what happened. Sounds like a stupid dream, doesn't it? The noise happened only as I drove underneath. Speaking of dreams, I have them, very weird and fragmented. I wake up Ok; no extra grogginess. One new anomaly: I have always felt or heard my "heartbeat" as I first wake up. It's akin to "coming to" and realizing that I am alive. Now, with the steady beat of my heart, I have imagined music. Twice. It's like hearing a song on the radio as I wake up, and then hearing it going with a steady beat, and then "oh yeah", that's MY heart. This morning I actually wondered who had a radio playing in the house? Another time I thought I heard "monks chanting" a word over and over, to my heart beat. I should have wrote down the word; maybe one of you could make some sense of it. Unlike Lois, and her recent comments on her thread, I HAVE dreamed before of 2 men in white coats paying me a visit . They were driving one of those old white ambulances that look like a station wagon or a hearse . I have decided that I have the optimal room of the house. I can hear everything from here. Positive attitude helps. LOL. Also recall that I left my window air conditioner in. One side has only a thin sheet of bent metal/plastic, and the other side I have a cut-to-fit piece of foam over the metal. Sometimes I get a cold breeze across the room. Last night my dad was tinkering in the basement, approx. 2 floors and to the left of me, and I had to go all the way down there to tell him to please stop ;D .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 14:26:18 GMT -6
Last night at 9:55 p.m. . Sitting up in my bed, reading. My main bedroom window (with air conditioner) is about 12 feet to my right and half-way down the bedroom wall. There is another window directly to my right but smaller, and higher; on the same wall as my headboard. I recently tried to open this smaller window to no avail. My mom thinks it's been opened in the last couple of years. My dad thinks it's "painted shut". There is no evidence of "paint". I have tried to open it before now. This is a window that I used to climb out of often (childhood and teen) to get on the top roof of the house. Last winter I had to climb out of a bathroom window instead, to go onto the roof to remove branches, etc. I'd rather do this than climb onto the roof from a ladder, but yes, I have done that too. I also hung wind chimes up high but the wind blew them down within 2 weeks. I "know" this house, and area. A road was built over a railroad track miles away (in the past year completed) and I can tell you that the trains are coming through a lot more often during the night now, and possibly during the day also due to this. I am not far from a major highway and recognize traffic fluctuations and the arrival of traffic helicopters almost like clock-work. Last night, something unusual, low flying, seemed to pause over my house. As if I could look out from my bedroom window and it would be about 20 feet out from the house and 20 feet higher. When I first started to hear it, the neighbor dog started barking (my dogs were in). It was fairly loud, but not a helicopter or a plane, or a jet. My windows did not rattle, and my poodle sleeping on the bed at my feet did not wake up. I felt like myself, no other oddities. I just stopped reading and tried to pay careful attention . It sounded like something from a science fiction movie. A "machine-type" humm, with my imagination picturing some sort of surveillance probe, as large as, say a jet-ski (but not that shape, of course). The dog kept barking. It "flew off" (I didn't look) slowly within 2 minutes, and the dog stopped barking. Within 10 minutes, I thought I started to hear this thing coming back from the direction it went, and the dog started barking again . I started casually saying in my head "I hope its not coming back" and after it sounded closer, it again retreated to wherever it had gone. . . then dog quit barking. I went to sleep about an hour or so later. Nothing else remarkable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 15:11:08 GMT -6
I hesitate to tell my next event. Not just because the unbelievable quality of it, but also because "it" felt "good", when so many of my other (and other people's) experiences have a feeling of foreboding and/or fear to them.
I'm also feeling superstitious. Since I LIKE these instances, I'm feeling apprehension that if I talk about it, "it" will "go away". Feeling "superstitious"? Weird, in itself. Several people have joked around me lately about our great weather, and then knocked on wood. Adults.
Worth noting that I have found (2) quarters on the ground in the past week. Personal joke, but somewhere on here ;D.
First, at xmas time I mentioned on teor a perfect spot on a highway to position cameras for a pretty complete view of where 4 cities came together. I usually do not go through this area. Last Saturday, the 7th, at 5:50 p.m., I was driving my daughters to a party and went through here. On both sides of the highway, at almost the exact spot I referred to (but away from and higher- just parallel to) were (2) planes. Stationary or hovering, whatever, their lighting was not like a helicopter, they were too big to be standard helicopters IMO, and it gets dark shortly after 5:30 p.m., so I expect to see an outline of a helicopter. So, planes that can stand still. I didn't say anything at the time. Driving through the area again 3 hours later, there was still (1) there, at the same spot, on one side of the highway.
I have mentioned before on here, about the sense of being followed home. Me in my car and someone in a plane. A complete 20 minute drive. What I failed to mention is more detail. Like, whoever following me disappearing at a point, and then "showing" up again just as I turn onto the main street into my neighborhood. I ignore stuff. I tell myself this is "not happening".
My dtrs. and I still see "stuff" on our commute. We don't talk much about it. Not long after my sighting of a "speed racer" like ship, one of my dtrs. asked "Mom, do you ever see that crane move?" I knew exactly what she was talking about. I said "no", and she said "me neither". Pause. Then she went on to say "but I keep thinking it's moving".
One night this week, after dark, in my car, I felt like I was supposed to notice a light. Lots of lights in this area, and actual planes too. This "light" would be in the sky in front of us (while driving), then to the side of us, then almost above, and then to the front of us again. I used the moon, traffic billboards, stars, to maintain my clarity that this "light" was staying with us. I thought my daughters' were dozing, but I caught them watching this 'light' also. I asked my dtr. in the front seat "do you see it?" She said "yes, until the frame of our car makes me have to move to see it" and we dropped the subject. It "stayed" with us all the way, mainly in front of us. All the way to my driveway. Granted, very high up, but definitely felt "personal". We got out of the car and went inside. An hour or so later I went back out to my car and it the light was gone. I neither felt relief or anything else. Then I don't think about it at all anymore. Seriously. Until its night and I'm driving again....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 16:22:07 GMT -6
Next, probably the "reason" I'm not just "blowing" this stuff off, and talking about it instead. Yes, I feel some relief "talking" about this. You are welcome to make comments and observations, and I might touch on this "subject" again. I'm not excited lately, even about my sister moving home, though I've wanted that for years. My current "joy" is in physically feeling better! Life IS good. My dtrs. and I went over to my old house last Friday night and watched (or attempted to) 2 movies with my sister and her husband. Relaxed atmosphere and having a great time. We even (the 3 of us gals) went out and sat in the brother-in-laws car in the driveway to play with their new stereo. We are usually kind of tired by Friday night and we somehow got on that subject (both dtrs. had even taken a nap after school), and my sis asked if any of my kids were sleep-walkers. We joked about things the girls have said in their sleep, and my sister says "hey, didn't we once find you out in the car one night?", talking to me. I literally "shut down". Expectant looks at me for a funny story, and I went all rude and mumbled something about 'talk about it later'. No one pushed it, we watched a movie until one dtr. fell asleep, and then went home. I'm still kind of "weirded out" about my sis bringing that 'event' up. I can't really explain my feelings other than I didn't know she "knew" about this, and the timing of it coming up. She even probably thinks its one of my "normal" childhood sleep-walking events. Also, in front of her husband, who I've only met twice. I could have, should have, made it into a funny story. Which I'm very capable of doing. Or am I? Since I'm literally facing "this night" again, and since I've come to teor, there is a certain "seriousness" in my life. We are supposed to "face" this kind of personal "trials" (am I sane, or am I not) instead of burying them. I like to think that I'm open, careful, and somewhat responsible in caring for others' feelings and well-being, as a rule. It's just my job and also part of my responsibility of being a mom, ya know? And I observed how light-hearted Steve has been, especially in his response to a new abductee. But, I'm feeling kind of, pi__d about that. So what? There's nothing we can do about this, so just keep swimming, just keep swimming, . . . And I'm TALKING (writing) about THIS. And as much as I encourage others to talk, I find that talking about these things is very uncomfortable. I can't DO anything else. How comfortable would I be in my own skin if all this *drama* quit abruptly? Real answer, I'm comfortable in my own skin. I noticed skywalkers comments on the thread about the guy killing the policeman. About "internet lives". I noticed Aaron mention by name, criminals that have been in a prison that "could be" haunted. I don't think I'm going to have a "violent death", but that's our only idea of what constitutes a ghost? And if I die, my parents are going to read what I wrote on teor? That doesn't bother me, except I could be kinder of my occasional comments about them. . . I want to be light-hearted. I don't want to see a hypnotist. And it definitely didn't help that issue by talking about these "beings" may very well ONLY use hypnotism, and the marks on my arms (and others arms) are not really there....they are just a 'suggestion'. . . Round and round, we go . Well, I make sense, if only to myself . And like I've said before, If I "write" when I'm angry, it does help. Thanks for reading. ;D
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Post by paulette on Jan 14, 2012 18:18:09 GMT -6
J - Hang in with us. Steve's experiment is made safe by the fact that he is talking on a telephone and imagining or imagining himself in pleasant places. He has Mary as part of his experience.
For people driving alone or with a child at night - its a whole different experience. Or thinking about why the family found you in the car outside one night. Fear comes up. Whether you want it to or not. That protective fight-or-flight part of our brains doesn't ask us if we want to react. It reacts BEFORE higher brain function even knows what's going on. Here's an example to prove this (and scientists have wired up people and proved it other ways as well).
Person puts hand on hot stove - snatches hand away. THEN comes the thought "That was hot!" Hand is already out of danger.
Person puts hand on stove and the nerves get a strong reading and snatch the hand away. But the stove wasn't on - the iron top was COLD. The brain later says, "Ooops. Oh well."
IMO anger is part of the fight in flight or fight (fear is the flight). Hopeless shutdown not moving is an even more primative way to take care of one's self if one cannot run or fight - one hides. The defence of the fawn.
Having had a strong reaction, hearing other people be nonchalant about a perceived danger calls up anger. "What is WRONG with you!"
I have run every emotion there is - both while having experiences and also afterwards in a secondary reaction to other peoples' reactions (or lack of them). My basic underlying one is however, "Don't tell ME what happened! I was there - you weren't." I might be confused or misinterpreting things. But get those weather balloons and theories of this and that out of my headspace.
PS. Ghosts do not have to be malevolent or scarey. I evoked the spirit of a man I had loved on Halloween and went through some ritual or other and then felt stupid and sad (and cold because I was in an outdoor shelter). I sat down - and he was next to me and comforted me. We had not had a chance to say goodbye. I was not frightened or weirded out at all. I was touched that he came.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 21:25:58 GMT -6
"IMO anger is part of the fight in flight or fight (fear is the flight). Hopeless shutdown not moving is an even more primitive way to take care of one's self if one cannot run or fight - one hides. The defence of the fawn." "I'm at primitive level, " ;D. P.S. I don't know what "ghosts" are. I think it's OK for people to decide for themselves. I think you are a smart lady and if you felt like it was actually your friend that comforted you, then that's all that matters. Just because I think "the dead" never return, doesn't mean that I don't believe you, and it doesn't make the situation "sinister". Why shouldn't you be comforted? Does it matter if a "spirit" played along and acted like it was your friend? See how my perceptions/beliefs can "hurt" a tender moment? And you may recall that I believe I was "visited" by my grandfather. However, that was in a dream/vision and I allow that it was entirely in my head. I don't consider that a "ghost". I do believe in "tender moments" when someone is dying. Like saying goodbye from miles away. I believe in the few times when a person has been in one place, and their "body" or "ghost" was seen somewhere else. There is an example of a priest who had to be at two church services, he felt, and found out later that he was . This is more of an example of our "astral body", but I don't think our astral body gets "trapped" here, when we die. Violent death, or no. Violent death, IMO, attracts "something", that may feed on resultant energy. The person is gone. These "somethings" desire to be alive and know a lot of details from our lives, just by watching. If they can mimic, recreate, be seen by live humans when tapping into this energy, what more fun. Then there are the sightings of "ghosts" doing the same thing over and over. This (to me) is a "time glitch", if I'm to believe that our perception of time is faulty. That everything IS really happening all almost at once, should make these "sightings" pile up. Am I too busy to notice the "ghost" of a t-rex running around? I know of a lady from Turkey who during her recent pregnancy could not/would not go to a family members' funeral or any where near a graveyard. Her daughter (who wears a talisman around her neck) asked me why. Thankfully I had to totally defer that question back to her parents. paulette, I feel bad here. You made an effort to comfort me, and I feel comfort from that. I'm sure you get the gist of where my thoughts go on re-incarnation. again, I believe it is "helpful spirits" or "discouraging spirits" that find a way to manifest on this plane, through the use of human emotions. Sometimes "they" are able to attach themselves to us while we are alive. I do like the way "Han" from Steve's thread talks about "sharing experiences". It sounds "true" to me. I do also believe in a "purgatory". A "way" station. There is nothing "wrong" with PRAYING FOR a dead relative. I think some people (in general) are against this idea(of an in-between) because some priests took money and said it would help the relative be released from purgatory. This earth is not purgatory, and I think we have no concept of time there, or waiting, just as we have no concept of being buried in the ground. I have studied NDE's and scripture and this theory makes sense of the idea that "we are all gathered together" in one place after we die. But it's said, and I believe, that their is a "chasm" between the realm of the dead and where we are now. There are things, beings, IMO, that can cross this chasm because they were never 'alive' as we are, so they are not "dead". I'm supposing here that everyone thinks of a "ghost" as a once live person . I don't. The term itself implies a "shadow" of a person; a "tracer", if you will.. .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 22:33:33 GMT -6
"Many abductees report sometimes being planted visions of the future. This seems to be the standard 'alien training indoctrination film' they seem to give you. It may have subconscious significance. But whatever the case, understand always in 99 to 100 % of these 'visions' placed, they never turn out to be true, or at least in our lifetimes. So if possible, try to put such visions behind you. They are usually meaningless as far as thinking they are actually going to ever happen. It has been speculated it might be to test your emotional response to such terrible visions. " Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=abductions&thread=1893&page=1#20726#ixzz1jUufrM9rI'm not mad at Steve . But this part of his post to a possible abductee sounds like an automaton. I want to say its "New Age drivel". Sigh. If this really is "steve" talking, then he doesn't believe in psychic abilities that several of us have actively mentioned on teor. Premonitions of quakes, premonitions of plane crashes, etc. I can't recall any of us talking about a world-ending event. I understand that this may have been a part of "the experience" in general. . . .
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