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Post by paulette on Jun 11, 2011 12:46:17 GMT -6
Thanks jokelly. I had decided to try to dowse for jade and even brought two small bottles and bent wires to the gravel bar in the Fraser River and then laughed because I couldn't walk straight and carry the bottles at all. Its very uneven footing and I depend on a stick for a third leg when one of mine gets hung up or the stretch to solid footing is too far. So then I thought - well, one doesn't REALLY need the stick - its a psychic prop. So I set myself for jade. And didn't find any! (a moment of humble reality check). But I do see and find rocks that others walk by and I do sorta set myself. I went out with an old prospector and he took us to one site and was going to leave us to it but I kept finding things (including molybendenite) and he ended up spending two days with us. He simply told me, "You've got the eye." My son used to find coins all the time and I asked him how he did it and he simply said, "I'm always looking and assuming that I will find some." We were hiking under a ski chair lift (summer) and I found nothing and he and his friend found about ten dollars apiece!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 9:31:16 GMT -6
I shouldn't be surprised a person can dowse for rock..my horse veterinarian dowses for energy vortex's and water is easy. I use a prop for doing readings for people but it hadn't dawned on me to try dowsing rods for hunting. I'm not sure what I'd set myself for around here tho..arrowheads maybe..thanks for the thought
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Post by paulette on Jun 13, 2011 0:16:11 GMT -6
This am - another very loud noise. I woke up and asked husband if he heard it. This seems funny to him .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 0:28:09 GMT -6
This am - another very loud noise. I woke up and asked husband if he heard it. This seems funny to him . Same noise or a different noise?
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Post by skywalker on Jun 13, 2011 9:26:48 GMT -6
This am - another very loud noise. I woke up and asked husband if he heard it. This seems funny to him . I think Lois's husband feels the same way. He can never see any of the things she sees either.
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Post by paulette on Jun 13, 2011 11:26:36 GMT -6
Same noise. Not quite as loud or prolonged (or maybe I'm getting used to train wrecks in my sleep).
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Post by paulette on Jun 15, 2011 21:24:25 GMT -6
Husband away on a training ( 1 week). I find sleeping alone more peaceful (although colder). No screeching sounds although I dreamed this am that I was in a alley in a post apocalpse scene that looked alot like Blade Runner LA. First I saw I sick dog and thought how things were falling apart- people were abandoning their pets (already a real problem in parts of the USA hit by "economic downturn" -I heard a woman with horses telling that she came outside one day and found two extra ones in the corral - no note no id). Anyway, still in the dream I saw a little girl, dressed in rumpled dirty pink clothes - trying to keep warm under a pile of sacks. Also abandoned. There were people yelling - her when I dragged her out to try to help her and also her mother who was working nearby and thought she was fine where she was. Hmmm....human screeching ...
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Post by sansseed on Jun 16, 2011 14:03:14 GMT -6
Paulette, I heard a noise a few weeks back in my sleep. I never heard it before or since. It was a very metallic sound, but it didn't grow louder and then fade. It was more of a bang with some reverberation. The way I described it to my husband was someone taking a crowbar to a metal garage door. It was LOUD. I heard it twice. The first one woke me up and sent me sitting straight up in bed. Then the second bang. At that moment I woke my husband and we both jumped from the bed. He ran to the front of the house and I ran to the back. From these vantage points we would see anyone running from the house, but saw no one. He then took a walk around the house to check on the garage doors and all other doors for any evidence of someone trying to break in. There was nothing.
I know I heard it, and it wasn't part of my imagination or part of my dreaming. Yet, we have found no cause for it.
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Post by paulette on Jun 16, 2011 23:00:59 GMT -6
Interesting. Maybe we are supposed to wake up for some reason. I'll go ahead and say - I have a sense that something is coming. Big changes. It feels a lot like it did when I lived on the Texas coast and a hurracane was heading into the gulf. Low barometric reading - our part of coast was calling to the high pressure hurracane center like a bird calls for a mate. It still wasn't blowing...in fact it got strangely calm. The calm before the storm. I was just talking about this tonight with some friends I had dinner with. They feel it too - are starting to think about getting more self sufficient on their land - buy wheat and a good flour mill, have chickens, a garden. Assume that "going to the store" might be a lot more complicated soon - like nothing on the shelves, no gas to get there, no money to spend or the money is worthless....changes like that.
I don't know (haven't seen) specifically that visitors are part of this although they may show up to document it. Another class 1 planet failing to make the transition...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:11:13 GMT -6
I haven't had any 'warnings' about being cast back to frontier's time..but just the opposite..I see star fields and the globes of strange planets...one place just filled with rock formations hundreds of feet high and purplish plants. A skyline filled with more than one moon..a full and partials. These aren't dreams though..I see them whenever my mind is still and I keep seeing a 'gateway' well guarded by a gate keeper..no one can pass there until they move through a certain transition. There is definitely something in the wind that I feel..excitement and a bit of agitation that things are slow. I also feel this 'wind' rushing past me like things are speeding by and I'm left still. Time is flying..I'm not...I've been ranting a bit about that lately
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Post by paulette on Jun 18, 2011 14:38:26 GMT -6
This is a beautiful image - could you paint or draw it? I once dreamed about a Tarot deck that had a card that is not in the usual decks - Danger by the gate. The lesson being that one is most vulnerable during transitions. There was no gate keeper but there were invisible dangers and powers there - to weed out the tourists perhaps...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 14:43:46 GMT -6
This is a beautiful image - could you paint or draw it? I once dreamed about a Tarot deck that had a card that is not in the usual decks - Danger by the gate. The lesson being that one is most vulnerable during transitions. There was no gate keeper but there were invisible dangers and powers there - to weed out the tourists perhaps... Sounds a lot like The Tower card, number 16 in the major arcana of my deck... That's what that card means. Traumatic change that will lead to a new awareness. Transition. Every time I do a spread and that card comes up it makes me cringe... especially if it's inverted.. mostly because the picture on it reminds me of 9-11 because it depicts (naked) people jumping out of the tower which is engulfed in flames... I use a gypsy deck... not the typical tarot card deck... ~shrug~
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 23:42:53 GMT -6
I had an experience Paulette (one of several) that sparked this I'm sure. I call them 'spiritual' happenings because it just feels that way. First was the message I woke up with in the hospital..that there was so much more than we've never dreamed of waiting..then about a year later..I was finishing the dinner dishes when I received a message to take my dog for a walk in the field close to the house. Hard to describe what I'd been feeling but it was again this feeling of being left behind..that things were moving past me and I wasn't allowed to go with. Anyway..it was a very clear message and inspite of it being kind of overcast I took the dog out. It looked like every cloud in the sky was being pulled into a vortex. In the center the sun was shining through in intense beams of light and in a heart beat...I knew it was some doorway and that if allowed I'd turn my back on everything I know and go..never looking back. I also had the weirdest need to defend it while at the same time almost registering a 'chuckle' in my mind..something scoffing at the need for defense but at the same time, a pleasure that I wished to. This was in real time, not a vision, not a dream. It was there and it was intense and it was real. I also knew in the next moment that it was only being shown to me (a faith boost I have supposed). It sent me away...clouds began to break and disperse. I knew there was a presence that would only allow those who have shed enough - ego or baser impulses- less petty. Now what I'm seeing in my mind is similar but I'm no artist. The tower is about disruption and a clearing to make way for rebuilding (I read also)..not what this was about. This was a presence, non threatening and non destructive. I think, it's going to come down to a choice. Some people are going to choose to stay here and things will get very rocky for awhile...but they won't feel ready to step in any other direction. In a way it's like the 'flashes' I get from the abduction. In one I was standing on what had to be Titan or one of the other moons and I watched the clearest most gorgeous Saturn rising over the horizon...clear as a bell, it was breath taking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2011 0:39:48 GMT -6
In my book the tower represents "A traumatic change that will lead to a new awareness." That's precisely what the guide book says. ~shrug~
Which deck are you using Jo?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2011 9:27:35 GMT -6
I use Legacy of the divine tarot. I love the Rider Waite's and it's the newest of that series. It's a very intense deck and are particularly inspiring and beautifully rich..I used to use a Morgan Greer deck (I had that one for over 10 years) but I wore them so badly I could hardly see the pictures any more..I had to break down and get a new one..saw this one and it called out to me. It still took a couple of months to change from one to the other..it felt like I was ditching a very dear friend. I only use guides for the lesser arcana. The majors tell stories all of their own www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/legacy-divine/index.shtml
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2011 13:51:38 GMT -6
Wow... that deck has such beautiful images Jo... This is a picture of "The Tower" from my deck, the "Tarot of the old Path". I've had it since i was 15. Most other decks do not like me. Friends and family have bought me some and every time I would try to shuffle them they would cut my hands like razor blades... The Rider deck included. ~shrug~ This deck was suggested to me by a psychic in Salem Massachusetts who had a little shop set up there on the cobble-stoned street. I didn't want to go into the shop, my sister did though (because she was studying witchcraft at the time). My parents encouraged me to go in with her, so I rolled my eyes and did so. It was a very nice store, full of witchcraft related books, scrying mirrors and crystal balls. I wandered around, looking at all the shiny things and the shop keeper walked over to me and asked me if she could help me find anything. I shrugged and said, "Nah, I'm just looking..." She smiled at me and said, "The tarot cards are over there..." and pointed to the back wall of the shop. I walked over to the back wall, and this deck fell off the shelf into my hands. I decided to buy it... even though the hand-written price tag read $49.99. This is my significator: (the card that describes me)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2011 19:04:03 GMT -6
My significator is queen of cups also...
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Post by casper on Jun 19, 2011 19:11:22 GMT -6
What's a significator? I have no idea what a tarot card is. That was a cool story tho about how the shopkeeper knew what Lorelei was looking for and the cards fell into her hands. I think a ghost gave them to her. Is there a card that has a ghost on it?
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Post by mdaisy on Jun 19, 2011 22:51:30 GMT -6
What's a significator? I have no idea what a tarot card is. That was a cool story tho about how the shopkeeper knew what Lorelei was looking for and the cards fell into her hands. I think a ghost gave them to her. Is there a card that has a ghost on it? A Tarot deck is a group of cards designed for fortune telling. They've been used for a very long time. I do not use them as a Christian I would not be comfortable doing so. A significator is usually the first card laid down when starting a Tarot reading session. It represents the person who you are reading for. It is also known as the seeker. I guess this card could represent the tailsman of sorts, if the Tarot card reader chooses a card they think represents them. daisy
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Casper a significator is a card that represents the reader and tarot cards are often a medium to enhance focus. In meditation, and in readings for others and even to speak with a ghost or two I AM a Christian MDaisy and I pray each and every time I pick up my deck that it be used as His instrument...and of course it depends on what you're doing with them. If an angel (and there are also angel cards) speaks through a card to help someone who needs an inspirational message then to me, that's a wonderful and blessed event. In the course of my time with those as a tool to channel..I have found a lost child, prevented suicides and located a knife used to kill a young man badly needed as evidence. Some people are blessed enough to hear angels others rely on a medium to receive a message. I don't think psychics are a device of the devil or any thing so simple as a card unless you happen to be appealing to dark energy. Were my methods held in contempt by angels, Jesus or God..I don't think God would bless my life as he has I have a very great deal to be thankful for and I reflect that in my prayers which never fail to begin with 'Lord how may I best serve thee' ? I have 62 years to have practiced on it
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Post by paulette on Jun 20, 2011 10:30:10 GMT -6
Wow Jokelly - you have farsight!
MDaisy - the Tarot deck was NOT originally devised as a fortune telling deck but as a means of maintaining old knowledge during the Inquisition and various religious shut-downs. It embodies Hermetic knowledge which is Jewish but also Egyptian (many Masonic symbols do this as well).
Spanish and Mexican and I believe Italian playing card decks still maintain swords, wands, pentacles, and cups - ours have slid over to hearts/cups/water, diamonds/swords/fire, clubs/wands/air and spades/pentacles/earth (someone can correct me if I'm wrong about these attributes). In this way, the minor arcana were preserved in the number cards and face suits. Some Christians do not use playing cards either although no one using them to play poker or go fish knows this history nor IMO is harmed by it.
Some say the gypsies who traveled from India (near East) across Europe brought them.
Jokelly could probably do what she does without the cards - they are simply focusing devices and comfortable entry points. IMO
Many many years ago I took a series of metaphysical courses one of which was the Tarot. We compared many decks and their underlying cultures biases - a culture produces its own symbolism and weighting. Our ultimate goal was to make our own deck. I do not draw well enough and abandoned this project although I completed one card in my dream. It was not I think on a par with the Tower which to me suggests egotism and inflexibility with the attendant results. Thlnk Wall street and wars and subsequent overthrows and collapses due to inadequate maintenance of the basics.
It doesn't surprise me that many people here (in this dialog anyway) use the cards for some purpose. I used to but now have less curiosity about the future. They have often confounded me because I wanted one answer (Prayer of the unenlightened: I WANT it!) and would lay the same reading down over and over (answer: That's not what's happening here.)
In conclusion - I intend here to not challenge anyone's beliefs but merely to provide some additional history. If anyone wants to pm me we can talk more at depth.
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Post by god on Jun 20, 2011 12:58:05 GMT -6
Casper a significator is a card that represents the reader and tarot cards are often a medium to enhance focus. In meditation, and in readings for others and even to speak with a ghost or two I AM a Christian MDaisy and I pray each and every time I pick up my deck that it be used as His instrument...and of course it depends on what you're doing with them. If an angel (and there are also angel cards) speaks through a card to help someone who needs an inspirational message then to me, that's a wonderful and blessed event. In the course of my time with those as a tool to channel..I have found a lost child, prevented suicides and located a knife used to kill a young man badly needed as evidence. Some people are blessed enough to hear angels others rely on a medium to receive a message. I don't think psychics are a device of the devil or any thing so simple as a card unless you happen to be appealing to dark energy. Were my methods held in contempt by angels, Jesus or God..I don't think God would bless my life as he has I have a very great deal to be thankful for and I reflect that in my prayers which never fail to begin with 'Lord how may I best serve thee' ? I have 62 years to have practiced on it Jo, you knew I was going to step in here, didn't you? There's nothing to thank...just keep on doing what you always do and don't mind Me. GOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:35:45 GMT -6
Spanish and Mexican and I believe Italian playing card decks still maintain swords, wands, pentacles, and cups - ours have slid over to hearts/cups/water, diamonds/swords/fire, clubs/wands/air and spades/pentacles/earth (someone can correct me if I'm wrong about these attributes). In this way, the minor arcana were preserved in the number cards and face suits. Some Christians do not use playing cards either although no one using them to play poker or go fish knows this history nor IMO is harmed by it. Swords is Air. Rods is Fire. The reason why I know this is because all the swords in my gypsy deck use a yellow color theme. Yellow is Air. All of the rods use red and orange. Fire element. I read a book about the correlation between a deck of "playing cards" as we know them today and Tarot cards in this country, but I forget which one corresponds to which. I do remember that hearts is cups/cauldrons though. That one's easy to remember. I do agree with you Paulette. I view the tarot cards are a "crutch". I have actually had my cards tell me that on various readings. They would tell me this with the high priestess card. Basically, "You already are able to figure out the answer to this on your own. You don't need us to tell you." It's frustrating when they tell me that, and they tell me that far too often... I use the cards when I need confirmation for what I feel is right... when I am unsure of myself. This is pretty much the only time I use them, because they can be a great deal more specific than I can be with my own psychic abilities. Jo: Wow. You were able to accomplish all of those wonderful life-altering things with your Tarot cards? That's amazing! The most exciting readings I have done were answering the questions of friends. Questions like "Does Jimmy like me?" or "What should I do with my career?". I am also not surprised that your significator is the queen of cups. I used to be friends with another psychic here in my home town and that was her significator as well. The queen of cups/cauldrons is a psychic lady after all. She also tends to be well acquainted with the fine-arts (music). After Thought: The tower card has many meanings. Its meaning depends on whether it is inverted or upright. Its meaning also depends on the deck, and its meaning also depends on the psychic who is reading the cards. From my experience, it almost always means traumatic change which will dramatically affect everything around you. This is how I view it. This is what it usually means from my personal experience. If you guys want to insist that it does not mean what I say it means, then that is your opinion. Do not state it as a fact, because it is not. ~folds arms across her chest~. I am not an incompetent fumble-fingered psychic by any means. I may be young and ill-informed on some things- but don't tell me how I should interpret my tarot cards.
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Post by mdaisy on Jun 20, 2011 13:53:17 GMT -6
Wow Jokelly - you have farsight! MDaisy - the Tarot deck was NOT originally devised as a fortune telling deck but as a means of maintaining old knowledge during the Inquisition and various religious shut-downs. It embodies Hermetic knowledge which is Jewish but also Egyptian (many Masonic symbols do this as well). Spanish and Mexican and I believe Italian playing card decks still maintain swords, wands, pentacles, and cups - ours have slid over to hearts/cups/water, diamonds/swords/fire, clubs/wands/air and spades/pentacles/earth (someone can correct me if I'm wrong about these attributes). In this way, the minor arcana were preserved in the number cards and face suits. Some Christians do not use playing cards either although no one using them to play poker or go fish knows this history nor IMO is harmed by it. Some say the gypsies who traveled from India (near East) across Europe brought them. Jokelly could probably do what she does without the cards - they are simply focusing devices and comfortable entry points. IMO Many many years ago I took a series of metaphysical courses one of which was the Tarot. We compared many decks and their underlying cultures biases - a culture produces its own symbolism and weighting. Our ultimate goal was to make our own deck. I do not draw well enough and abandoned this project although I completed one card in my dream. It was not I think on a par with the Tower which to me suggests egotism and inflexibility with the attendant results. Thlnk Wall street and wars and subsequent overthrows and collapses due to inadequate maintenance of the basics. It doesn't surprise me that many people here (in this dialog anyway) use the cards for some purpose. I used to but now have less curiosity about the future. They have often confounded me because I wanted one answer (Prayer of the unenlightened: I WANT it!) and would lay the same reading down over and over (answer: That's not what's happening here.) In conclusion - I intend here to not challenge anyone's beliefs but merely to provide some additional history. If anyone wants to pm me we can talk more at depth. Here is a brief history of Tarot cards: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot_cardTarot cards were first used to play card games but were later used as a form of divination. Divination is considered a sin. See: Deuteronomy 18:10-12 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 There shall not be found with thee any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one that useth divination, one that practiseth augury, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 11 or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For whosoever doeth these things is an abomination unto Jehovah: and because of these abominations Jehovah thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (American Standard Version) www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy%2018:10-18:12&version=ASVWikipedia and divination in Christian western society: Divination was considered a pagan practice in the early Christian church. Later the church would pass canon laws forbidding the practice of divination. In 692 the Quinisext Council, also known as the Council in Trullo in the Eastern Orthodox Church, passed canons to eliminate pagan and divination practices.Acts 16:16[6] Soothsaying and forms of divination were widespread through the Middle Ages. In the constitution of 1572 and public regulations of 1661 of Kur-Saxony, capital punishment was used on those predicting the future.See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivinationYou will notice that I offered my personal beliefs but I did not judge others. Whatever you choose to do is between you and God. My only comment is that as a Christian I do not feel comfortable reading Tarot cards. MDaisy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:59:35 GMT -6
That's very understandable mdaisy. Many Christians do have issues with tarot cards and Ouija boards and other such metaphysical/psychic media.
I did a tarot reading for one of my co-workers once, I brought my cards to her house per her request. Her husband asked me to do the reading outside because he did not want such a thing to be taking place in his house for the same reasons. I respected his feelings and complied with his wishes. I also respect your feelings on this Daisy.
Please everyone, let's not turn this into a religious debate. It might turn ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 15:40:01 GMT -6
Yes God..I knew you'd step in..how could you possibly resist? You weren't by chance on a Spirit Web site many moons ago were you..I had many a conversation with God there also, matter of fact I was blaming him/you this morning for the wretched tree pollen that is making me sneeze. After all..doesn't he have the broadest shoulders of all. And before you say it..yes..I love the trees MDaisy..of course personal beliefs are fine and welcome..everyone's. I was also exercising my beliefs by way of my post I have no grief with altering beliefs whatsoever Well unless they are Harolds. I am upset with Harold. Lorelei..no religious debate with me will ever turn ugly. We all have our own paths, each to his/her own and there is room for ALL IMO If someone wants to rumble over the impossible, they can take it to MUFON or somewhere else LOL
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Post by mdaisy on Jun 20, 2011 18:01:16 GMT -6
That's very understandable mdaisy. Many Christians do have issues with tarot cards and Ouija boards and other such metaphysical/psychic media. I did a tarot reading for one of my co-workers once, I brought my cards to her house per her request. Her husband asked me to do the reading outside because he did not want such a thing to be taking place in his house for the same reasons. I respected his feelings and complied with his wishes. I also respect your feelings on this Daisy. Please everyone, let's not turn this into a religious debate. It might turn ugly. Thanks Lorelei! You are wise beyond your years. Now for a little story... Long ago when I was a teen (over 30 years ago) we managed to find a Oujia board. One day we asked if there was a presence there to let us know by knocking something over. Boom went the trash can in the kitchen. No one was near the trash can, no wind blew it over, it just fell over. We hurriedly closed the board and put it away. We never touched it again. For another creepy Oujia board story: I was living in the college dorms and an older student, a mother with grown children, related how she had a Oujia board stored in her garage. The garage caught fire and everything burned in the garage except the Oujia board. It was found with singed edges but it did not burn. She tossed it. There is a lot we don't understand and sometimes I think divination tools are not the best things to be playing with. If you ask the paranormal experts such as the TAPS bunch they will recommend NOT using such things. It can open you up to experiences you may not want. See: www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/articles/general/ouija.htmlMDaisy
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Oija boards terrify me..they open rifts best left closed. IMO
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Post by god on Jun 21, 2011 10:10:16 GMT -6
Yes God..I knew you'd step in..how could you possibly resist? You weren't by chance on a Spirit Web site many moons ago were you..I had many a conversation with God there also, matter of fact I was blaming him/you this morning for the wretched tree pollen that is making me sneeze. After all..doesn't he have the broadest shoulders of all. And before you say it..yes..I love the trees MDaisy..of course personal beliefs are fine and welcome..everyone's. I was also exercising my beliefs by way of my post I have no grief with altering beliefs whatsoever Well unless they are Harolds. I am upset with Harold. Lorelei..no religious debate with me will ever turn ugly. We all have our own paths, each to his/her own and there is room for ALL IMO If someone wants to rumble over the impossible, they can take it to MUFON or somewhere else LOL Nop, I don't think so... I don't frequent spirit sites. I don't believe in spirits. It must have been one of my many impersonators. I hope you did not believe anything he might have said...Some of my impersonators are just a joke. And, yes, I do get that a lot... many people blame me for just about everything that goes on and what doesn't go on also... and you know what, most of the time I had absolutely nothing to do with it. Generally it's not one thing or the other, but the complete opposite... GOD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 14:23:34 GMT -6
Impersonators? I rather think we're all a 'chip off the old block' so to speak...we're all a bit of God. Actually the one I carried on conversation with was enjoyable..un-bigoted..tolerant and very gracious. If my day happened to be occurring with too many a twist...he always had ways of helping me untwist it I think he was an older gentleman..he just 'felt' close to home. Well after all..how can anyone possibly prove it's not the real deal they're talking to? Sort of like proving or disproving visits by little gray men. Ahhh and by the way...such a gorgeous day it is
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