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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2011 22:45:07 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Mar 6, 2011 5:49:41 GMT -6
I don't understand why scientists find it so hard to believe that there is life on other planets. There are gazillions of stars in the universe with gazillions of planets floating around them and yet they say it is impossible for life to exist on any of them. Well, I hate to break the news to them, especially since I am just a good ol' boy from a small town in Texas, but no it is not impossible. We already have proof that life can exist on other planets...it exists here doesn't it? If it can happen here it can happen someplace else. What I really don't understand is how smart people can be so stupid.
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Post by Steve on Mar 6, 2011 10:59:57 GMT -6
Thanks Jokelly,
The universe will spin on, both destroying and creating a new. I suppose waiting tediously for a bunch of scientists to agree and have a consensus of opinion would be just a fraction more in cosmic time I suppose.
It is always about being cautious of another false alarm, what is an overwhelming consensus of data related to any scientists comfort level without sticking their necks out too far that might harm a reputation. Or their source for obtaining grant funding in the real world. The Seti 'wow' event for instance. The Martian meteorite found in Antarctica with possible evidence - are they fossils or not?
Like the struggle within every star in the universe - between nuclear fusion wanting to expand outward restained by gravity - so perhaps the balance - consensus vs. caution. Yet, if a tree falls down in the forest, and no one notices, the tree still fell.
The irony when these helpful encouraging posts appear on a UFO website is the number of people that have claimed to have had experiences - they may wonder have they 'been there and done that' already? I think when we all do eventually know - however the route to that knowledge may take, it will be among many things filed with great ironies. What scientists with all their knowledge may learn may make then seem puny.
Whatever the case, we live now in a golden age of astronomy and astrophysics. Soon the field of exobiology may not be all theoretical for long.
Steve
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Post by paulette on Mar 6, 2011 12:41:27 GMT -6
Yet, if a tree falls down in the forest, and no one notices, the tree still fell. - Steve
Ah...but the true irony to me is that the most rigid scientific debunkers would say - if a tree fell in the forest (or UFO came by) and if only some poor working stiff saw it. Or only a shaky cell phone picture was taken. OR the evidence was gathered by someone or sent to someone who later claimed they never received it -
Then the tree didn't fall (or the UFO come by).
And furthermore, since there is no evidence that has survived the "gathering" process, trees do not fall and UFO do not come by.
AND we are not going to seriously look for fallen trees (or if we are, we aren't TALKING about it).
In fact, we are going to make anyone who REPORTS a fallen tree to wish that they had been in bed with a hangover or in jail or anywhere but where they were that night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 13:10:06 GMT -6
I don't think it's a matter of hearing a tree fall in the forest it's a matter of 'them' admitting it does. There are those who don't believe a thing unless it's validated from some scientist or religious guru..those people are the ones who just got the boost. Not 'us'..we already KNOW it exists...but it's bringing others closer..giving them an opportunity to say 'wow...we're not alone' (something most of us already know). That's how I see it anyway
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Post by paulette on Mar 6, 2011 20:36:41 GMT -6
Here's another version of the tree-no tree debate: CNN Cooper Anderson covers UFO disclosure www.youtube.com
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 16:44:02 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Mar 7, 2011 22:31:04 GMT -6
Well, considering the fact that NASA just launched a 450 million dollar satellite into the South Pacific how much credibility should we give them? Things like that have a tendency to make me suspect that they miiiiiiiight not know what they are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 10:49:20 GMT -6
Irks me it does.
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Post by paulette on Mar 8, 2011 10:55:30 GMT -6
OK...I read the article. First they said that the microbes noted by the scientist (see how long my focus is, I already forgot his name) were from contamination from earth.
Oh but wait - they are fossilized into the rock. Hmmm (sound of think tank full of debunkers shifting gears). Well its bound to be from a lake in California - an obscure organism no one ever heard of that lives on arsenic. Yeah...that's plausible.
Given that nothing that I am aware of metabolizes arsenic ON THIS PLANET, it seems more likely that if there is some bacteria in one lake in California that THAT CAME FROM A METEORITE OR METEOR as well. But then, I'm an English major! (with a double major in geology).
I suppose he knew when he published his article what the response would be. It's like the woman who found nanobe structures in Mars rocks. She seems to have disappeared from the news. She believed she had found a new life/non-life form that was another phylum. Don't know if they ran her out of town or she's just busy.
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Post by casper on Mar 8, 2011 11:34:49 GMT -6
Where did those meteors come from? Are they from Mars?
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Post by sansseed on Mar 8, 2011 12:51:26 GMT -6
Why does Galileo come to mind? Oh, yes, because he pushed the heliocentric view when the scientific world would only believe the geocentric view. Science is slow to move at times, and the tendency is to have overwhelming evidence. I personally don't understand the stringent stance by science that we are alone in the world. It seems so egocentric. I mean, man is NOT that special.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 14:28:41 GMT -6
Ego? Corner the market on God...he would (of course) only create earthlings...in alllllllllllllll the universe...we're it? Yeah right.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 8, 2011 19:00:59 GMT -6
And humans are the absolute best he could create...suuuuuuuuurrre. Maybe the reason he quit after 6 days is because he realized the Earth was a hopeless mess and he went someplace else and started over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 13:50:50 GMT -6
Ever seen the articles on Google ..."eat this...not THAT" ? I'm just not convinced we're God's best effort..might have had a migraine that day..at any rate..He went so far as to create a mate for Adam..I don't think we'd be his only creative effort in the 'life form' department.
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Post by lois on Mar 9, 2011 15:24:12 GMT -6
Well, our scientist have a long ways to go, how would we ever communicate with fossils??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2011 17:34:28 GMT -6
I don't think he was suggesting speaking with them 'chuckle' just discovering that fossils similar to some here on earth exist in some meteorites..which would show that life does exist beyond Earth...which the scientists didn't agree with.
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Post by casper on Mar 9, 2011 18:04:14 GMT -6
Could the meteors be from the Earth? Maybe that's how the organisms got in them. maybe they are just Earth rocks.
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Post by sunbow on Mar 9, 2011 18:20:09 GMT -6
Many scientists can't agree because of the implications. The universe would be full of life, in every niche and cranny, just like it is here on Earth. Intelligent life would abound and then the time factor would reveal they have been watching us for ages, perhaps even tweaked up from time to time, ... They cannot deal with the vastness, so they close their little minds and say"lalalalala I'm not hearing any of this".
Science is paid for by corporations, most real science is dead, since it does not get funding. NASA is a tool of the disinformation, they know perfectly well that ET crafts have been present on many of their missions. Until someone figures out how to make money off of that fact, it will be lied about.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 9, 2011 23:08:59 GMT -6
I believe the universe is full of life. How can it possibly not be? For life to be here on this planet it had to get here somehow, and if it originated here like some scientists claim it could just as easily happen on other planets. What are the odds? I would say pretty good since it already happened once.
For us to be wondering if there is life on other planets is like somebody on an island in the ocean wondering if there is life on other islands. It's a ridiculous question.
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Post by lois on Mar 10, 2011 0:24:45 GMT -6
Sky most of us here has seen or experienced the truth we know.. aren't we the lucky ones.. smarter than the scientist.. too bad it has to be this way.. I have always hated knowing and cannot prove a thing to all humans on this earth.
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Post by lois on Mar 10, 2011 0:47:49 GMT -6
Sky .. into the south pacific. what are you talking about.. did it crash? the way you put it sounds like it crashed into the south pacific.
Jo .. I do not mean to make fun of this post.. Steve has said it all well here, that is the way it is and we live in this time..
If we do have any.. just one down saucer, it someday may blow wide open and science will take a flying leap forward. faster than it ever has.. Some one if there is a saucer, has to be working on it all these years.. they certainly today know more by now. Even if it is a small find. Maybe those crafts are so far advance we will never be able to do reverse engineering on one.. I hope I'm here to see it..
I just never got Jessie Marcells story out of my mind... he was not making it up. I believe him..
I dont care about all the so called witnesses that have come out since Jessie, I put all my belief in him.. This is where we will find the truth in the end. If we find it in our times.. otherwise science will take hundreds of years trying on their own..
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Post by skywalker on Mar 10, 2011 6:04:17 GMT -6
Sky .. into the south pacific. what are you talking about.. did it crash? the way you put it sounds like it crashed into the south pacific. Yes, it crashed. They were trying to launch it into orbit but it went into the ocean instead. I wrote about it in a thread called NASA rocket crashes into ocean. Here is a link to the original article about it: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/04/nasa-fail-launch-glory_n_831428.html#
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Post by skywalker on Mar 10, 2011 6:07:53 GMT -6
Could the meteors be from the Earth? Maybe that's how the organisms got in them. maybe they are just Earth rocks. Scientists think the rocks may have come from a comet. They found four of them in Antarctica lying on the ice and the other five were seen to fall from the sky in different parts of the world.
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