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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 2, 2011 3:40:56 GMT -6
Was any former UFOmania people here from Florida involved in this case? ;D A UFOmania forum, MUFON red flagRed UFO and Silver Sphere Miam-Dadescully=Indulge me while I speculate (since speculation is such a mainstay of ufology, so many feel obligated to speculate or proclaim) but it wasn't too long ago that a group of hard-core abductees abducted themselves to another bulletin board. They overtly expressed their discontent not only with Mufon but also with Ufomania. I'm not about to delve into the past for a detailed account but suffice it to say these people (and a few others) were very adamant and determined to express their discontent.
Some of them were from Florida. Now it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to "speculate" that a deceptive devious malcontent could conceive of an easy way to discredit both Mufon and ufomania by interjecting himself into a Mufon investigation with the false claim of being from ufomania. As a means to optimize the effort, in other words killing two birds with one stone. But as I said such a scenario is only "speculation" on my part.Read more: ufomania.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=organizations&action=display&thread=1091#ixzz1cXVW0Rev
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Post by skywalker on Nov 2, 2011 7:45:57 GMT -6
;D Now that's funny. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:33:05 GMT -6
"a group of hard-core abductees abducted themselves to another bulletin board." Hmm... are they talking about US? LOL... where are all of these hard-core abductees at? ~looks around~ Jo was attacked and tortured by aliens when she was 16. Sky had a light shine through his window and pick him up. I saw grays in my living room and so did Touched. Sunbow has memories of things too... but he hasn't been on here in awhile. Paulette had a close encounter as well. How does that make us "hard-core"? lol... because we believe what we saw and experienced? I guess if I were attacked and raped that would make me a "hard-core" rape victim... ~rolls eyes~ I speak for myself when I say I am just as skeptical as the next guy... but I don't go out of my way to try to disprove every photograph I see. I try to keep an open mind about these things... but it's easy to get paranoid and spooked by this stuff... I'm confused. What's going on? I read the thread over there and I have no idea what they are talking about...
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Post by skywalker on Nov 2, 2011 12:26:54 GMT -6
It's a very long and inconsequential story. Supposedly way back in February somebody decided to meddle around in one of MUFOn's STAR team cases. The people showed up at the witnesses house claiming to be from Ufomania. The witness chased them away but the people came back the next day and snuck on the property anyway. Since then MUFON and Ufomania have been trying to figure out who it was. Since it has been almost a year and they still don't have a clue somebody decided to grab at a straw and accuse one of our poor, little innocent members of doing it. As if anybody here would waste their time on silly foolishness like that. What really amazes me is that so many people seem to have access to MUFON's super-duper Top Secret STAR team info. If they can't do a better job of keeping secrets than that than they deserve to have fools made of themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 12:32:22 GMT -6
Well it's easier to point fingers at people who didn't do anything wrong. I live in Alaska, which is about as far away from Florida as you can get and I don't have enough money to go traveling around the world. I wouldn't want to go to Florida anyway. Too hot. Too many bugs. It wasn't me... lol...
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Post by auntym on Nov 2, 2011 12:36:29 GMT -6
me either.... and i live 70 miles away.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 12:53:42 GMT -6
I live in Missouri. Im not a member of or ever have been of ufomania or ever will be. I did go to Florida in 2002(orlando,dayton a,kennedy space center,St. Augustine)never as far south as Miami though . Loved it ! Kelly and I are planning on going back next year to see her family,cant wait !
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Post by swamprat on Nov 2, 2011 14:53:59 GMT -6
T'weren't me, McGee.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 14:56:40 GMT -6
"That ain't the way I here-ed it!'
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Post by swamprat on Nov 2, 2011 19:45:46 GMT -6
Well you heerd wrong!
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Post by skywalker on Nov 2, 2011 20:15:30 GMT -6
Come on, Swampy. Fess up! We all know that behind that mild-mannered exterior you are really a secret double agent spy who infiltrates UFO forums just to gain people's trust so you can hack into their Top Secret computer systems and go sneaking around in the dark pretending you are just a mild-mannered UFO investigator. Your cover has been blown, dude. And while we are at it you may as well admit that it was you on that grassy knoll. I was hiding in the sixth floor of the Book Depository Building and I saw you through the scope on my rifle... Wait a minute...did I really just say that? No I didn't! That was somebody else!! I was out of town that day! In fact, I wasn't even born then!! I'm shutting up now.
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Post by lois on Nov 2, 2011 21:21:10 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 22:22:59 GMT -6
LOL ;D ;D Lois, I know, those are really familiar names over there... I wonder where I know them from? ;D
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Post by lois on Nov 3, 2011 0:52:10 GMT -6
Now I see.. ;D I did not understand this thread ether ufo4peace, but reading sky's reply it was a year ago .. so most of us was over there at ufomania at the time.
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Post by swamprat on Nov 3, 2011 7:28:02 GMT -6
Dang! Outed again! Cain't get no satsfacshun....
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 3, 2011 16:56:32 GMT -6
It's a very long and inconsequential story. Supposedly way back in February somebody decided to meddle around in one of MUFOn's STAR team cases. The people showed up at the witnesses house claiming to be from Ufomania. The witness chased them away but the people came back the next day and snuck on the property anyway. Since then MUFON and Ufomania have been trying to figure out who it was. Since it has been almost a year and they still don't have a clue somebody decided to grab at a straw and accuse one of our poor, little innocent members of doing it. As if anybody here would waste their time on silly foolishness like that. What really amazes me is that so many people seem to have access to MUFON's super-duper Top Secret STAR team info. If they can't do a better job of keeping secrets than that than they deserve to have fools made of themselves. Hey Skywalker. You almost got it right. The lead MUFON STAR TEAM investigator informed me that a former UFOmania person was video taped and identified by the witness in this case and that it's now considered water under the bridge.
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2011 18:30:52 GMT -6
Water under the bridge, or sweeping it (again) under the rug? Among ALL the idiot players in this farce with their finger pointing at one another, no one seems to have been ever concerned for, or demonstrated any consideration at all in a real way for the witnesses!
The witnesses privacy and trust was destroyed. Also (assuming if this case ever had any merit in the first place) with the witness contact information now out in the open somewhere, what unanticipated players could the witnesses be now exposed to in the future? Did these clowns not think of that too? The witness is a police officer, having identified the trespassers, is he going to prosecute? It is still within the legal time window to file charges. Still just water under the bridge?
UFO nuts and conspirators in their idealist pleas for 'the truth' are often the culprits too. Idealism vs. a litigious lawsuit crazy society. Pie in the sky vs. being hit with a suit where people live. Another dose of reality? A idiot conspiracy nut who believes man never landed on the moon, punched in the face by an astronaut that risked his life walking on that same moon. Some in this fringe field, and even those UFO organizations dabbling in UFO investigations who should know better have failed terribly here. No conspiracy, just total ineptness! They should read their own manuals sometime. They forgot about the witness when they forgot to read their own 'field' manuals. Cardinal sin!
Steve
Reality check for conspiracy truth seekers (their version of truth) the hard way. (thanks again Buzz!)
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 4, 2011 12:17:44 GMT -6
The witness is a police officer, having identified the trespassers, is he going to prosecute? Hi, Morgan Beall, I'm inquiring about a case you investigated in Florida involving the UFOmania forum. "Metalic glowing sphere touching ground in my back yard. MUFON Case # 27257." Could you tell me when did two individuals claiming to be from UFOmania approach the witness/property? Was it before or after your Februaury 12 post to UFOmania? Why did you decided to ask for more information regarding this case at UFOmania? Was it because of this incident? Did you know someone from UFOmaina (former MUFON) that lives in this area?
Thanks, UFO4PEACEufos4peace Thank you for your questions. Yes, I have read your post both on the UFO mania and others. I understand your frustration but disagree with your theories and accusations. That aside I would be glad to answer your questions and you may post this reply anywhere in full context of course. First question answer; A week after MUFONs field investigation of the site in question. If you need an exact date I will look it up for you. Question 2; Before my post. The post was designed to get a reaction. This was not a game as you implied and the individuals broke the Law and violated the homeowners privacy and trespassed after warnings from the homeowner further supporting the lack of their professionalism. Question 3; The individuals claimed to have made a their investigation on behalf of UFO Mania. Yes we know of a former UFO Mania forum member that currently lives in Florida and have video of the individual according to the witness. It will be his call to press charges. So far it is water under the bridge and the witness is more comfortable about the public knowing about his experience. No, I will not give you or anyone his personal information, you have no right to it. The case was never secret but the location and personal info is. We have taken measures to affectively fix this breach. We are not perfect and we do our best. Question from forum; One of the individuals was over weight 300+ lb with facial hair. The second individual was skinny possibly with facial hair but light. Both seemed unkept and unprofessional. The vehicle was dark blue or dark color older model volvo or other VW. The "smaller" individual was taking pictures of the front of the house and other portions of then property. After warnings to not to return to the witness's property they returned the next day despite the witnesses mother's pleas to leave the property. The witness is armed and is both trained in combat and is a law enforcement officer. These warnings where given to the individuals trespassing and both where lucky the primary witness was not home the second day which proves the igannance and disrespectful nature of the false UFO Mania investigators of which we do not feel the owners of forum are responsible for. I would be glade to send you the full 78 page report about the sighting and trace evidence analysis. I am not at my office today but will send you a copy of which permission was given to us to release by the witness.
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 4, 2011 12:37:04 GMT -6
"78 page report about the sighting and trace evidence analysis."
I received the 78 page report on this case in PDF format.
Some of my impressions.
The photograph of the object looks like a extremely red blur or light and a photo analyst recreated the object using a mirror and a laser. I have to admit the light does look like a laser effect.
The landing trace is just singed grass. The soil analysis didn't turn up anything too unusual.
The artist impression of the metallic sphere the witness supposedly saw is pretty good and is close to a category of UFO Ted Phillips reports in landing case traces.
The UFO, probe returned to the witness property/yard.
November 13th, 2010 Sighting = photograph of red football-shaped object
The January 3, 2011 Sighting = metallic sphere, singed grass
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Post by skywalker on Nov 4, 2011 19:12:02 GMT -6
Somebody posted a video here recently showing a red orb that was filmed in Miami. Is that from the same case? I'll see if I can find the video.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 4, 2011 19:18:12 GMT -6
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Post by lois on Nov 4, 2011 20:12:28 GMT -6
That looks like a light being projected onto the bush or tree, it looks like a bush to me..Not a object at all . I could be wrong.. just my thoughts on it..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 20:48:48 GMT -6
LIke some sort of laser light being projected onto the bush?
I can see why you would think this.....
However, this is one video that genuinely gives me the creeps. The light (to me) appears electronic. More so than the example I can give: think the red, electronic dot on an alarm clock next to the word pm (when it is pm), or the glowing red light in the eye of the reduced-to-metal terminator (from the movie).
There is a road that is considered "haunted" in my area, that after many, many years it was decided to develop. So now there is more roads thru there and lots of houses. One day while exploring the woods nearby, a friend and I found an old cottage that hadn't been removed yet; it wasn't far from a new house. It was boarded up, but there was a hole near the ground where we could see into an old, musty basement. In this basement, from approx. 30-40 feet away, we could see a "bright, electronic light". It never entered my mind it could be an orb! This video is what it looked like, but very small. One of those deals where you ask each other "do you see that?" We looked for any type of wires or electricity going into the cottage. Mentioned batteries? But what was it? Why would there be anything "electric" down there? We didn't stick around much longer. Just too weird. And in broad daylight.
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Post by Steve on Nov 5, 2011 0:40:58 GMT -6
That looks like a light being projected onto the bush or tree, it looks like a bush to me..Not a object at all . I could be wrong.. just my thoughts on it.. It looks like a laser pointer (red color) in the woods aimed at the camera some distance away. The light is being switched on and off. It does not fade and brighten. Any illusion of movement is due to poor camera steadiness and wind blowing through the tree foliage. At times the camera changes focus. Probably kids having fun. This is not the 27257 witness case photos. Those appeared in the journal. Steve
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Post by ufo4peace on Nov 5, 2011 5:00:11 GMT -6
Some more YouTube videos from Miami showing a red orb or sphere. Don't know if it's fake but the red color looks the same as in the MUFON case. UFO Drones Solid Proof - DISCLOSURE NOW!! Miami Fl. OCT,28,2011Bright Orbs Descending - OCT.26.2011 Miami Florida
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Post by pigswillfly on Nov 5, 2011 7:49:21 GMT -6
Seems I recall that Mo and jjflash are from Florida. Hmmm, just saying.
Mind you, it's no surprise there was a stuff up if Gort was involved.
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Post by skywalker on Nov 5, 2011 7:58:26 GMT -6
Mo is the lead MUFON investigator on the case. He was the one who was supposed to be at the scene. JJ does live in Florida along with several other former Ufomania members. Many of the people that I have talked to do seem to think that JJ was involved. I have to admit that proclaiming himself to be an investigator for Ufomania does sound like something he would do...not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm not making accusations against him or anything either, I'm just engaging in some "speculation," as a certain Ufomania member called it when he tried to put the blame on us. Personally, I really don't think it matters one way or the other. If the witness doesn't want to prosecute the trespassers than it doesn't really make much difference who the two people were. This isn't the first time non-MUFON personel have shown up at a MUFON case. Bigelow's people have been doing it for the past several years. All this really proves is that MUFON needs to do a better job of protecting the identity of their witnesses.
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Post by pigswillfly on Nov 5, 2011 9:47:34 GMT -6
Yeah, I was just saying, but even though I'm no fan of jj I don't think he would trespass or even visit the witnesses without a mufon fi present.
Skywalker, as an observer rather than a participant these days, it is plain to me how much these UFO forums are manipulated by people with their own agendas. I was surprised to learn that a mufon fi kept a file on my posts while he operated under various alias, apparently it was something he did with topics he found interesting. Don't we all? Not.
Darn these ipads, I'm always hitting the wrong button and posting when I'm not finished. Lol.
I think that any organization such as Mufon will be infiltrated by people promoting their own interests or on behalf of organizations with their own agendas. One has to wonder if Mufon is being deliberately sabotaged or is it just the result of some selfish, greedy individuals.
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Post by swamprat on Nov 5, 2011 12:25:33 GMT -6
Nice to see you, PWF! I am also from Florida and I have communicated with Mo on several occasions, but I know nothing about the Mufon/UFOmania incident. Swamp
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Post by skywalker on Nov 5, 2011 16:16:42 GMT -6
Yeah, I was just saying, but even though I'm no fan of jj I don't think he would trespass or even visit the witnesses without a mufon fi present. Skywalker, as an observer rather than a participant these days, it is plain to me how much these UFO forums are manipulated by people with their own agendas. I was surprised to learn that a mufon fi kept a file on my posts while he operated under various alias, apparently it was something he did with topics he found interesting. Don't we all? Not. Darn these ipads, I'm always hitting the wrong button and posting when I'm not finished. Lol. I think that any organization such as Mufon will be infiltrated by people promoting their own interests or on behalf of organizations with their own agendas. One has to wonder if Mufon is being deliberately sabotaged or is it just the result of some selfish, greedy individuals. It's probably a little bit of both. As much as MUFON would like to claim that they are a professional organization many of their "investigators" are irresponsible amatuers with their own personal agendas. And with all of the internal problems they have had recently there are many people who are less than happy with the way things are going there. I have often wondered if some of those problems were caused deliberately...by Bigelow, the Feds, or maybe even some other outside source. Who knows? I do agree also that trespassing does not seem like something that JJ would do. That would be totally out of character for him. Anything is possible though.
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