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Post by skywalker on Mar 30, 2013 17:08:22 GMT -6
People are complacent because they have never had anything like that happen to them before so they think it never will. The same thing happened in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Hitler and Stalin were treated like gods. Even when people began to realize what was happening in those countries they still did not want to admit it or accept it. It will be the same way here. People won't understand what's happening until after it's too late to stop it. At that point it won't matter anymore because they will all be screwed.
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Post by randy on Mar 31, 2013 0:10:20 GMT -6
I have spent alot of time reading history and with Uncle Adi and friends I can identify people as to name in pictures including the flag bearer and knew their persoonal history. Knowing this era well I get all sorts of alarm bells going off when I read current events I have read it all before there is nothing new under the sun.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 31, 2013 7:00:01 GMT -6
Same here, dude. Everything that happened back then is happening again now and for the same reasons. We have already been through all of this but since people have forgotten history we are going to have to go through it again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 10:47:12 GMT -6
Ok I'll play devils advocate for awhile. People are losing their 'rights' because people didn't protect them. Street gangs are busy killing innocents in drive by's or targeting them for initiation rights..any unhinged idiot who can clap his hands on a gun can set up housekeeping in the area (school..bank) of his choice..and open fire..just because his brain is having a bad day. Now..someone close to these people..KNEW all of this was a possibility. The woman who's son took her gun and killed her and a lot of babies..knew something was wrong with her son..told people there was but she put off facing the problem. Someone knows their son or uncle or brother is in a gang and responsible for a crime. Do they come forward? Eventually..the only thing lawmakers can think of to silence a screaming population is some form of gun control or police or military action. We don't have a lot of responsible people anymore..just people who want to go about their urban lives..drink their 6 packs or martinis ..have the backyard barbecue and know they are protected without having to lift a finger BUT just in case we have an UZI 9 mm sub machine gun in our closets. I sure know a lot of people I wouldn't be comfy knowing they had that in their closets. Maybe a little island so I can stand in the middle and shoot anyone who wants to invade my turf? I don't want to lose my rights..but I know it's coming to that because people are not giving any alternatives. Gabrielle Gifford congresswoman from Arizona..gets shot in the head by an idiot with a gun who didn't like what she was saying..13 wounded 6 dead. School yards of children...a punk who didn't like what a mom said so shot her baby in the face..on and on. Society is becoming very unstable..what is the answer? Dad with a gun..shoots his wife and baby and himself..his was a legal gun. Every darned day..there is some tragedy..what is the answer? If you were a lawmaker..what would you offer to protect us barbecue..6 pack or martini lovers? I sure as heck don't know the answer to that...but I don't want to lose my rights either. And if you HAVE a great alternative..have you suggested it to anyone or do you just mumble that no one will listen anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 11:15:33 GMT -6
I still remember when I was 21 and when I was working at a gas station.
One of our regulars came in and had a .45 in a holster on his belt. He walked into our store and told us about another store that had been robbed at gunpoint. He patted the gun on his belt and told me, "I'd like to see someone try THAT with YOU GIRLS while I'M here!"
I giggled and my co-worker smiled in response. It made me feel safer... believe it or not.
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Like that video at that computer cafe in florida that swampy shared about a year ago on here (and it was on facebook too). There were these two punks who came into this computer cafe dressed all in black with ski masks and walked in and tried to rob the place with guns. An old man in a Hawaiian shirt walked over towards them and shot one of them in the butt. The two punks fell all over themselves tripping and sliding as they scrambled for the door, the old man walking after them with his gun pointed at them. It was hilarious. I bet they don't try THAT again...
That's the thing. If there's a crazy guy with a gun and an innocent bystander is ALSO armed- he can put an end to the violence before it gets too far out of hand. It can take 20 minutes or even an hour for police to respond to a 911 call to an emergency situation... but what if one of those teachers at Sandy Hook had been armed? Loss of life might have been drastically reduced...
It's definitely something to think about Jo. Disarming innocent law-abiding citizens is not the answer... I think allowing them to keep their guns is the solution to this "problem" with crazies who have firearms...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 11:21:32 GMT -6
There was this idiot who was robbing cab drivers who was working the night shift at a grocery store (the store I worked at oddly enough). On his lunch break (late at night) he would call a cab driver to pick him up in the parking lot of the grocery store, tell them to take him somewhere, then he would pull a gun on them and demand money.
One cab driver gave him the money, and the idiot set his gun down so he could count it. The cab driver grabbed the gun away from him, saw that it was a FAKE plastic gun, and smacked him in the head with it, pulled over and held the little punk at gunpoint (he had a REAL gun in his cab). The robber was crying hysterically on his knees on the sidewalk until the police arrived.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 12:51:26 GMT -6
People are becoming more and more unstable, paranoid and edgy. Something is pulling at them and those bent on suicide aren't just eliminating themselves..they embark on the family plan. There isn't any cohesion to families anymore to see them through crisis..no stability. I feel it in the grocery stores especially..where there is a concentration of people..it's shocking. People are afraid..but they don't know of what. And the strangest part is..I am feeling nothing like that at all. It's about the calmest period in my life. Beats me. I have no answers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 16:36:27 GMT -6
The family unit and family values have been destroyed Randy.
I still remember this woman who came into the grocery store where I worked at. She was young- in her mid twenties I suppose and she had a little girl who was about four years old with her. She was talking to the little girl about something and the subject of Uncle Somebody came up. The mother told her daughter, "Uncle Somebody isn't going to come around anymore."
The four year old sighed, looked up at her mother and exclaimed, "Did you get dumped AGAIN?!"
Another instance. I was working in the liquor store and a man came in with his seven or eight year old son. The man was saying something to me, I don't even remember what it was but he said, "I don't know why." The little boy looked up at him and said, "That's because you're a dumb-@$$!"
While I was taking care of my father a friend of my grandfather had dinner with us and my grandfather. I was pushing dad around in the wheelchair. She shook her head, looked up at me and said, "Family members should NOT be caregivers. That should be someone else's job."
This is the world we live in today Randy. Family is not important anymore it seems. We need to be reliant on the government- not our families anymore it seems. Children rely on the public (government) schools to educate them. Young teenage mothers rely on public assistance in order to feed themselves and their babies because of men who ran off once they found out they were fathers. Aging parents should not be taken care of by their children- they should be put in homes or they should hire someone to come into their homes and take care of them because their children are too selfish to care for their own parents. Parents dump their kids off at school so they can go to work then their children get on a special school bus which takes them to a day care center so they can be watched by others until the parents have time to come get their children and take them home...
My new co-worker is 22 years old. She has two children- a baby and a three year old. She has no husband. She is living in low income housing. She dumps her babies off at her mother's house and invited another co-worker of mine (who is married) to go out clubbing with her to go "pick up guys".
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Post by skywalker on Mar 31, 2013 19:08:49 GMT -6
People need to decide how they want to live. Do they want to be treated like adults and take responsibility for their own actions, in which case they will have freedom, liberty and the right to choose whatever they want to do and to be whomever they want to be, or they can choose to be treated like children in which case they might have security but will have no freedom, no liberty and no rights or choices at all. I would prefer to choose my own life and take care of myself...but I'm one of those old-fashioned neanderthals who actually works for a living and is self reliant. The future belongs to the younger generations. If they want to live like slaves and be forced to bow down to an all powerful government god that is their decision. I'm going to continue taking care of myself just like I always have. Everybody else is on their own.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 31, 2013 19:31:29 GMT -6
From one of my favorite movies... "Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, thereby those important events of the past usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 22:51:30 GMT -6
I have never suggested disarming Lor. I am well armed myself and I'm a very good aim. Personally I don't have any assault weapons but I know that banning them would only take them away from honest people. Disarming is an impossibility because no one will ever get the guns off the streets...not to mention it is a constitutional right to bear arms. As I said..I don't have the answers and so far..I'm not alone in that. I do understand the position of lawmakers though..trying to answer the demands of those people terrified by what's going on..meaning the shootings. If I had a child murdered in the Sandy Hook tragedy I might have a very different perspective too. I'd be all for arming teachers except..thugs would just take the guns away from the teachers and shoot them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 23:56:19 GMT -6
I have never suggested disarming Lor. I am well armed myself and I'm a very good aim. Personally I don't have any assault weapons but I know that banning them would only take them away from honest people. Disarming is an impossibility because no one will ever get the guns off the streets...not to mention it is a constitutional right to bear arms. As I said..I don't have the answers and so far..I'm not alone in that. I do understand the position of lawmakers though..trying to answer the demands of those people terrified by what's going on..meaning the shootings. If I had a child murdered in the Sandy Hook tragedy I might have a very different perspective too. I'd be all for arming teachers except..thugs would just take the guns away from the teachers and shoot them. That's the thing. In the Sandy Hook incident the gunman already had a gun. He wouldn't need to take a gun away from someone else. He was already armed and dangerous to begin with...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2013 11:47:55 GMT -6
I know. The fault on that one I think, was his mother who knew her son was unstable and in fact, was afraid of him because she told others that. Still he had access to her guns. Basically what I'm bellowing about is people that aren't responsible for the power of the weapons they have. If you are armed you have to use a certain amount of logic..to protect not only yourself but others from the power of that weapon. Now I'm a firm believer that an unloaded gun doesn't do anyone any good..asking a crook for time to load is just plain bad etiquette..but be sensible about where you keep them and what nut cases inhabit your home with your guns. Frankly every teacher I had would have run screaming from the building but ours is a small town with a limited budged and as with most small towns..my teachers had been my sisters teachers ten years before and in some cases..my fathers. They never could afford to retire. As I said..I don't have the answers either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2013 12:31:45 GMT -6
Yep. That's the thing skywalker was talking about- personal responsibility.
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Post by randy on Apr 1, 2013 19:46:43 GMT -6
Recently people in Britain doing research on parasites found that 40% of Britain was infected with a brain parasite that alters behavior in mice to the point that they do not see cats as danger. The researchers made the point that human and mice brains are similar and stated that the parasite might account for those who place themselves in danger by careless driving but did not go further in associating the parasite with other behavior. They did say the infection rate is probably comparable in other similar countries. If you think about it the brain parasite deadening the areas of the brain that senses danger is interesting. It might account for the passive nature of the population in regard to growing govt control. I believe the article said the parasite also increased the sense of pleasure in people. Reminds me of Soma in the famous book. Were people infected with the parasite by accident? Kind of handy what it does to people On other fronts illegal immigration is stated to be up 2 or 3 times what is was before it became obvious amnesty was in the works. Of those filmed crossing the border about 1 in 6 was carrrying drugs and many of those were armed with machine guns. I dont know of any mention of those so armed marching south again once the drugs were delivered with the machine guns Probably turned them all in to Feinstein. Drugs, brain parasites and organized crime can do alot to a civilization.
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Post by randy on Apr 2, 2013 22:16:17 GMT -6
The recently passed UN arms control treaty could have heavy handed effects on US gun owners. The treaty has been rewritten a lot and I am not sure what version passed with the US voting for it. It is an unknown and needs watching closely. A good lawyer will demand an apology for getting ones blood on a knife that was just stuck in your back. Interesting times
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Post by randy on Apr 3, 2013 22:37:41 GMT -6
On the economic front the IMF has called for a huge increase of $1.40 per gallon on gasoline to raise money for social programs around the world. They feel the US owes the world for past wrongs we did? I dont feel that guilty about it my self. The so called BRICS countries have formed a new world bank to replace the current model and intend to form a new world currency to replace the dollar. This would have a huge impact on oil imports to the US. Get a horse folks
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Post by randy on Apr 6, 2013 23:21:43 GMT -6
It has been stated that immigration reform will result in one million immigrants coming here per year I assume legally. This influx of people will more than take up new jobs projected to open each year. Many of these folk are projected to come from Asia and Africa Since Africa produces less than 100 Phd candidates per year while a single city in China can produce that many it is probable that our immigrants are going to vary greatly in job skills. This will produce some interesting social problems for the future
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 10:52:29 GMT -6
Whatcha gonna do shoot em? There will be more intolerance..more hate crimes..more gangs I would imagine..so..if we just open all of the borders..couldn't we wait until they all come here..then we can go take over their countries and subject them to our industry? Would they want to come here if we didn't have more than they do? A good book is escape from camp 14. Shin Dong-hyuk's escape from one of 12 North Korean prison camps..where he was born...where every day he saw children and adults tortured and killed..where he was tortured because his family had once, during the Korean war..escaped to South Korea. Where he turned in his brother and mother for trying to escape and watched them executed..without a tear because..in his world..they were competitive for his food and he was still punished because they were traitorous enough to think of the plan to escape. Would I begrudge that kid coming here after that? Heck I'd hide him in my own home. Do I object to hordes of people coming here and standing in welfare lines..yep. I think we should welcome them with open arms if they have work lined up..and make welfare not part of the welcome basket. I'm not proud of the way I feel..but I own it. It depends on the circumstances.
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Post by randy on Apr 7, 2013 20:59:31 GMT -6
Immigrants will exceed our capacity to employ them so how do they live? On the one hand the Asians will probably be well educated and earn a good living if they find employment. It is reality that immigrants from Africa will be less well educated and will have a lesser chance to earn a good living. There will be a race separation by the nature of earning capacity. the social tensions created by this will be interesting I dont advocate shooting people but I do advocate control over who enters the country which is more than we have now. Films of illegals entering our border show 1 in 6 carrying drugs and many of those folk carry machine guns to protect the drugs. Those folk who enter as an armed invasion with intent to violate our laws from the start They should be deported. I object to these folk being made citizens. The cartels are starting to run this country as well
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 22:44:17 GMT -6
i object to that too Randy but..they find ways to get here and now..they're talking about amnesty..which I am very against...unfortunately..I'm not the president.
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Post by randy on Apr 8, 2013 23:43:26 GMT -6
BATF is establishing a database on US citizens that is massive and will record your know associations and family relationships among other things such as age height etc They will be able to identify you by a partial description and general idea where you live. One might ask why they feel the need to do this in he first place. These are the folk who brought you Ruby Ridge and Waco recall. Such a data base would imply by its need that BATF anticipates a wide ranging period of unrest in the country that would require the need to pin point citizens quickly and often to justify the money being spent on this systme of tracking people. What crime could so many people commit? Are Feneral fire arms crimes so common that this system is needed or do they plan to merge with DHS into a national police force similar to the Geheime Statz Politzi or as its more commonly know the GESTAPO It would be good tactics to forge the parts for this organization separately with some parts in the DHS others in the BATF and so on and then one day combine all the parts into a single organization up and running over night to control the whole country.
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Post by randy on Apr 9, 2013 21:32:12 GMT -6
The IRS will be checking face book and twitter for evidence of tax evasion. Raytheon has invented a program call RIot that will build a profile of a person from face book and other social media sites and then make predictions on their future behavior. Again the precrime idea pops up. Arrest you before you commit a crime. Joe Biden mocked gun rights supporters in a speech where he said that special forces were going to swoop down and take all the guns in America Pretty poor for the Vice President to do considering he represents all the people not just those who agree with him. Lacks class.
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Post by randy on Apr 10, 2013 23:25:40 GMT -6
Surprizingly in the last 90 dats 3,000,000,000 in gold has been pulled from COMEX storage facilities and went to the owners of the gold who took actual pocession of the gold instead of leaving it in the storage facilites. Why is the question. The highest such move in the companies history. 85% of law enforcement officers surveyed feel the gun control measures pushed by Obama will have no effect on crime. Great Britain is warming up for knife control next. All the classic terms applied here to guns are being appplied there for knife control. Your carving knife is too dangerous to be allowed. Not joking. Doctors have come out on limiting access to large knives. Chiefs have come out saying you really have no use for large pointed kitchen knives A simple 2 in blade with rounded point is all you need. etc etc etc. If it was not so idiotic it would be hilarious that an educated society would believe such rubbish. Would include swords, bayonets, hunting and fishing knives etc. Knife control. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been stoking the feat of DHS and now it seems that Christian groups who take the Bible seriously are terrorists. Both police groups and military groups are being told to watch Christians for terrorist actions. A training class in Colorado for police was given this advice and a US Army E mail was also promoting the idea of Christians being terrorists. Recall that when the country was founded they said our form of govt was for a christian people and no other. Why fear a good Christian? Curious
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Post by randy on Apr 12, 2013 0:07:48 GMT -6
DHS is now buying bagpipes. Curious move. What does a police agency use bagpipes for? Funerals of course. since police deaths are normally rare they are preparing for loses of men who they will give a good send off in the police tradition. kind of puts the cap on the idea of DHS preparing for armed conflict in the USA. Obamas new budget drasticly cuts money for interning illegals prior to deporting them. they will be let out on parole. Asta La bye bye It is humorous that Christians are viewed by the army as terrorist because they teach an antigay life style. Yet Islamists behead gays and they get a walk on that issue by the Army. Since DHS seems to be perparing for conflict that has not surfaced yet it would seem that the govt is planning to create the environment for such conflict to arise as some future point in time. Gun Control would seem to be the most likely thing to create such a problem. Obama may be planning to do a presidential order and start the ball. what ever event is the cause they seem to know it is coming and are prepping for it. . this may be hard for some to accept but what would you call it to create intentionally armed conflict in a peaceful US. There is a term for such things
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Post by randy on Apr 12, 2013 23:05:22 GMT -6
Recently a member of the Black Panthers stated that the govt was preparing to attack the people and that the people of the US regardless of their race and small differences needed to unite to meet this threat head on. Interesting how suddenly they realize that they are out numbered and need other folk to be more than a brief smudge in history People are waking up
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Post by randy on Apr 14, 2013 11:33:07 GMT -6
A new idea at least to me is that of google glasses which are glasses worn by a person that records via a computer all the person looks at and says during the whole day. What a master piece of control that would be all people having to wear these things and the whole data being sent to a central computer that would sift and evaluate the data for crime and sedition. Talk about control. These things are being touted for employees to wear so corporations will know what you are doing while on the job. It would be only a short extension to require them at all times. Big brother would be watching as you try to pick up a girl etc. Smart street lights could use an infrared light beam to point out suspicious people to the police instead of a visable red light or for that matter they could use a laser and save the police the hassle of arresting you. How do you go to the bathroom with google glasses on?
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Post by randy on Apr 14, 2013 19:11:22 GMT -6
Question how many people do you shoot to stop people getting shot? Seems to be a valid question to me. DOD has clarified for the military when they can get involved in civil unrest. Maybe DHS is getting cold feet on things as many people are not grovelling enough when if comes to gun control. they want military back up incase they get their rear kicked by the people. So now yes the military can get involved in putting down civil unrest as they call it. I think they are losing the point in gun control. It is to stop people getting shot not to just take arms from the poeple. Perhaps one is a cover for the other. So do you shoot 250,000 and burn cities to stop a school shooting. checking on endgame the DHS Plan supposedly to send home illegal aliens. They need a cover story to use tax money to build prisons around the country to house terrorists among others. People would object to having their tax money being used to build prisons for US citizens labelled terrorist. I buy hot dogs with cash so I am a terrorist. Obamas new budget cuts money to store illegals for deportation so while that is being cut the prisons are being funded. there is a contradiction there. Look up DHS endgame to learn more.
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