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Post by skywalker on May 31, 2012 19:46:32 GMT -6
With all of the discussion that has been going on lately about nuclear radiation I was wondering if there are any cases where UFOs have left traces of radiation behind. I know there have been cases where people have claimed to have been affected by radiation from a UFO, like the Cash-Landrum case that took place in Texas in 1980, but while the individual witnesses to that case showed symptoms of radiation poisening there was no radiation detected at the scene, nor was there any detected on their car.
I believe that I remember Thomas Reed saying that there was some radiation detected on the car that he was in when he and his brother had one of their encounters. He also claimed that a compass was also affected by the car as well. Both of these things are very unusual when it comes to UFO cases, although they are both mistakenly believed to be stereotypical of UFO sightings. Most investigators that I have spoken to say that they have never detected any radioactivity from any UFO sites. I think I remember Steve mentioning something along those lines as well.
On the other hand I also remember that Steve reported that the father of the woman who saw the "Lollipot" entity often spent time wandering around with a Geiger counter searching for signs of radiation as part of his job. I assumed from the story that his job was searching for and helping in the recovery of crashed UFOs so does that mean that the UFOs left behind traces of radiation?
I'm kind of curious as to what relationship radiation has with UFOs. Are they powered by some form of nuclear power? If not, why do some witness, like Cash and Landrum, report being burned by radiation? If UFOs are radioactive why don't more witnesses and abductees report signs of radiation sickness or burns?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 5:53:38 GMT -6
I cant say there was radiation involved when they came that night I was visited. I didn't have any hair loss or burns or any other signs that I know of except my physical health went south very soon after. To be honest and fair I did have a broken neck in one area and a broken back in at least 2-3 places( since age 15) but I still was able to build large structures and I was also into all phases of concrete at the time. I was very strong and dedicated to being a working man,,,loved it ,, and miss it !!
It wasn't but a few days after they came that I woke up one morning and I couldn't even get out of bed. I have been in this state of physical health ever since, though epideral injections helps keep me walking without suffering. Again,, to be fair and honest,,, a chiropractor in Henderson, Nv. warned me at the age of 17 that if I continued doing heavy labor this would happen though,,,, so I cannot say one way or the other if this was a coincidence or just fate itself,,, I don't know.
When the 2 orange objects followed by the blue strobing lights showed up( Oct, 20, 2011) I wasn't sick and hardly ever am but my ear started hurting right after that thing scanned above me,, or whatever it was doing. I got a medical bill from the hospital and it was dated 10 days after this had happened on the bill( oct 30, 2011). It was that morning,,, 10 days later after fighting terrible pain for that duration that my ear ruptured. I can't say that it was related to radiation but Im almost certain that the scanning or whatever may have possibly caused the ailment,,, but I honestly cannot verify this for certain though,,,I want to be right and not assume. I dont think it was radiation related however, but it may have possibly could have been a side effect of some type. I just don't know.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2012 20:55:01 GMT -6
I found a short list of a few UFO cases where radiation was reported to have been detected. nawewtech.angelfire.com/radiation.htmlThe list showed a wide variety of cases of reported radiation ranging from trace amounts left at landing sites to poisoning experienced by witnesses. The list said that "angel hair" has reportedly shown trace amounts of radiation. Interesting to note that two of the most well documented UFO cases of all time, the Rendlesham Forest incident in Britain and the Cash-Landrum case of east Texas both happened within just a few days of each other. Radiation was reported to have been involved at both scenes. I still haven't seen many cases of abductees showing any symptoms of radiation poisoning. Witnesses are sometimes effected by it. I'm still wondering what type of power source a UFO might be using and whether or not their would even be any radiation involved with it.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 1, 2012 20:58:29 GMT -6
I cant say there was radiation involved when they came that night I was visited. I didn't have any hair loss or burns or any other signs that I know of except my physical health went south very soon after. To be honest and fair I did have a broken neck in one area and a broken back in at least 2-3 places( since age 15) but I still was able to build large structures and I was also into all phases of concrete at the time. I was very strong and dedicated to being a working man,,,loved it ,, and miss it !! It wasn't but a few days after they came that I woke up one morning and I couldn't even get out of bed. I have been in this state of physical health ever since, though epideral injections helps keep me walking without suffering. Again,, to be fair and honest,,, a chiropractor in Henderson, Nv. warned me at the age of 17 that if I continued doing heavy labor this would happen though,,,, so I cannot say one way or the other if this was a coincidence or just fate itself,,, I don't know. When the 2 orange objects followed by the blue strobing lights showed up( Oct, 20, 2011) I wasn't sick and hardly ever am but my ear started hurting right after that thing scanned above me,, or whatever it was doing. I got a medical bill from the hospital and it was dated 10 days after this had happened on the bill( oct 30, 2011). It was that morning,,, 10 days later after fighting terrible pain for that duration that my ear ruptured. I can't say that it was related to radiation but Im almost certain that the scanning or whatever may have possibly caused the ailment,,, but I honestly cannot verify this for certain though,,,I want to be right and not assume. I dont think it was radiation related however, but it may have possibly could have been a side effect of some type. I just don't know. That's interesting that both of the physical problems you developed started immediately after UFO encounters. I doubt that radiation had anything to do with either of them but something must have. The ear problem definitely sounds like it may have been caused by the scanning, whatever that was. Did the docters ever come up with an explanation for what caused it?
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 2, 2012 4:55:17 GMT -6
I wonder if any abductees have gotten cancer because of exposure.
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Post by plutronus on Jun 2, 2012 5:37:31 GMT -6
With all of the discussion that has been going on lately about nuclear radiation I was wondering if there are any cases where UFOs have left traces of radiation behind. I know there have been cases where people have claimed to have been affected by radiation from a UFO, like the Cash-Landrum case that took place in Texas in 1980, but while the individual witnesses to that case showed symptoms of radiation poisening there was no radiation detected at the scene, nor was there any detected on their car. I believe that I remember Thomas Reed saying that there was some radiation detected on the car that he was in when he and his brother had one of their encounters. He also claimed that a compass was also affected by the car as well. Both of these things are very unusual when it comes to UFO cases, although they are both mistakenly believed to be stereotypical of UFO sightings. Most investigators that I have spoken to say that they have never detected any radioactivity from any UFO sites. I think I remember Steve mentioning something along those lines as well. On the other hand I also remember that Steve reported that the father of the woman who saw the "Lollipot" entity often spent time wandering around with a Geiger counter searching for signs of radiation as part of his job. I assumed from the story that his job was searching for and helping in the recovery of crashed UFOs so does that mean that the UFOs left behind traces of radiation? I'm kind of curious as to what relationship radiation has with UFOs. Are they powered by some form of nuclear power? If not, why do some witness, like Cash and Landrum, report being burned by radiation? If UFOs are radioactive why don't more witnesses and abductees report signs of radiation sickness or burns? SkyWalker and All,
The phrase 'radiation' describes the act of emitting energy; there are multiple forms of 'radiation'. However, most refer to 'radiation' as meaning ionizing nuclear emissions which typically take the form of gamma-rays. In the Reed case you cite, (I was not previously aware of the event, but I performed a cursory study of the event for you), in the Reed event, K5 Blazer (Reed's 'SUV', full-size 'Tonka' style truck), was measured, apparently, by BAAAS using a scintillator nuclear radiation measuring instrument, which is a much more sensitive instrument than a Geiger-Mueller tube counter instrument. Geiger-counters are the least expensive instrument and are fairly rugged. A Geiger-counter is name in the MUFON "Field Investigator's Training Manual" (the MUFON author, did not see fit to include sensitivity specification or any other important details, so its a guess as to what is intended).
Also regarding the Blazer, apparently, the metal of the truck's body (steel, a ferrite metal) became 'magnetized', which in Human physics perspective is only possible should the metal become enveloped within an extremely intense...powerful electro--magnetic-field (EMF) radiation. It is claimed that a hiking compass, when placed upon the body of the Blazer truck, causes the compass needle to spin. There is something that is not quite correct in this description, because, magnetized metals generate essentially static fields...they don't move. As such, a compass-needle can not be caused to spin if the compass is stationary, yet that is what is being claimed. The electromagnetic fields that can cause a compass-needle to spin, are those fields that are moving. So there is something wrong in the description being bandied about by the babblers out there.
Re; ET mecha, it is well known that ET craft impart so much energy into the surrounding atmosphere, that the atmosphere ionizes...glows. The magnitude of the energy imparted, determines both the brightness and the color of the ionization...glow. The higher the energy, more the color shifts towards the blue end of the optical radiation spectrum. The gamma-ray (nuclear) radiation can also be generated by imparting a huge magnitude of energy into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to ionize, radiating gamma-ray radiation.
Alien mecha can generate various forms of radiation without using a nuclear-reactor, in fact, it is very likely that the alien mecha do not employ nuclear-reactor, as reactors do not generate sufficient energy to generate the types of radiation commonly measured being generated by alien craft, in my opinion.
As for cancer and other forms of nuclear-radiation exposure diseases, there have been cases reported where individuals having been exposed to the radiation-cone of flying saucers, eventually led to the deaths of those exposed.
(been busy)
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Post by skywalker on Jun 2, 2012 11:15:34 GMT -6
Thanks for the info, Plutronus. I have been wondering what it could possibly be about a UFO encounter that would cause a compass needle would spin. That is something that has never made any sense to me even though it seems to be a stereotypical part of UFO lore. It seems to be most prevailant in Hollywood and the television industry rather than something that comes from actual investigated cases so I am always surprised when I find examples of it supposedly happening, like in the Reed case or the Hill case in 1961. If, as you say, only a moving electromagnetic field would cause a compass to spin like people claim, and the magnetic fields left behind in magnetized metal is static, do you know of any reason why a compass needle might be spinning when placed on a vehicle? Is there anything that might cause that to happen or is the whole idea about the spinning compass just total make believe nonsense? The lingering radiation and its effects is another example of a UFO encounter stereotype but there seem to be numerous examples where radiation illnesses or effects have been encountered. It seems to happen more to people who witness UFOs rather than people who have reported abductions. The Cash-Landrum is a perfect example where people on the ground saw a UFO overhead and all developed radiation induced type illnesses in the days afterwards. One of the witnesses eventually did die of cancer, although with the prevailance of cancer in our society it is impossible to prove that the cancer was a result of the UFO incident. I can't think of any cases off the top of my head where abductees have reported any types of radiation illnesses but that doesn't mean there haven't been any. It happens much more often to witnesses on the ground. So why would people outside of a UFO be exposed to radiation while people taken into the UFO would not be? When people are abducted the UFO is generally reported as hovering directly over them. You would think that they would be just as likely to be exposed to whatever energy is being produced by the craft as any bystanders would be. I'm going to do a little experiment when I get home with a compass and a bunch of cars to see if I can figure out any way to make the needle spin the way people are describing. If it really is happening there has to be a reason for it. It doesn't necessarily mean that UFOs had anything to do with it though. Maybe there is a more conventional explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 13:16:44 GMT -6
Thanks for the info, Plutronus. I have been wondering what it could possibly be about a UFO encounter that would cause a compass needle would spin. That is something that has never made any sense to me even though it seems to be a stereotypical part of UFO lore. A powerful electromagnetic field would cause a compass to spin. A compass points to magnetic North. The needle is drawn to the strongest magnetic source. If a strong magnetic source is close to the compass, the compass will point to that rather than magnetic North. Have you ever taken a magnet and rubbed it up against a spoon until the spoon stuck to the refrigerator? I did this all the time when I was a kid. When you do this, you temporarily turn the spoon into a magnet. If the compass spins over something it means the something is magnetic... this means that the metal in the car somehow became magnetized. I'm sure a spoon would also stick to the car... or keys or anything else made of magnetic metal. When you do your experiment, find a strong magnet and hold it near the compass. You would need a powerful magnet to make your car magnetic Sky... The reason why people on the ground get exposed to radiation is a pretty simple concept. That means that the propulsion system of a UFO emits radiation. I am certain that the occupants of a UFO would not want to expose themselves to radiation. This is probably the reason why abductees on board the craft do not show symptoms of radiation poisoning.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 2, 2012 16:57:15 GMT -6
I could understand how a magnetic field by itself would affect a compass but as far as I know UFOs don't turn people's cars into magnets. If that happened metal objects would be attracted to and sticking to the metal on the car. I have never heard any reports of that happening, only of the compass spinning. I do know that when the engine is running and the alternator is charging it produces a magnetic field. You could actually stick steel objects to the back of the alternator if you wanted to. That might affect a compass if it were held close enough to it but that isn't what all of these compass spinning witnesses are doing...at least I hope it isn't. As for your point about the occupants of the craft not wanting to expose themselves to radiation, that would be true. They probably would have some form of shielding to protect themselves and the abductees who were brought on board. But if the propulsion system is emitting radiation why wouldn't the abductees be exposed to it before they are brought on board. The UFOs generally hover directly over people during the abduction. The one that zapped me with the beam of light was up in the air directly outside my window. If I was that close to it I should be glowing in the dark right now. My car should have been also since it was parked directly under where the UFO would have been. I wonder if my old car would cause a compass to spin? Does magnetism wear off after a period of time?
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Post by plutronus on Jun 3, 2012 4:20:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the info, Plutronus. I have been wondering what it could possibly be about a UFO encounter that would cause a compass needle would spin. That is something that has never made any sense to me even though it seems to be a stereotypical part of UFO lore. It seems to be most prevalent in Hollywood and the television industry rather than something that comes from actual investigated cases so I am always surprised when I find examples of it supposedly happening, like in the Reed case or the Hill case in 1961. If, as you say, only a moving electromagnetic field would cause a compass to spin like people claim, and the magnetic fields left behind in magnetized metal is static, do you know of any reason why a compass needle might be spinning when placed on a vehicle? Is there anything that might cause that to happen or is the whole idea about the spinning compass just total make believe nonsense? The lingering radiation and its effects is another example of a UFO encounter stereotype but there seem to be numerous examples where radiation illnesses or effects have been encountered. It seems to happen more to people who witness UFOs rather than people who have reported abductions. The Cash-Landrum is a perfect example where people on the ground saw a UFO overhead and all developed radiation induced type illnesses in the days after-wards. One of the witnesses eventually did die of cancer, although with the prevalence of cancer in our society it is impossible to prove that the cancer was a result of the UFO incident. I can't think of any cases off the top of my head where abductees have reported any types of radiation illnesses but that doesn't mean there haven't been any. It happens much more often to witnesses on the ground. So why would people outside of a UFO be exposed to radiation while people taken into the UFO would not be? When people are abducted the UFO is generally reported as hovering directly over them. You would think that they would be just as likely to be exposed to whatever energy is being produced by the craft as any bystanders would be. I'm going to do a little experiment when I get home with a compass and a bunch of cars to see if I can figure out any way to make the needle spin the way people are describing. If it really is happening there has to be a reason for it. It doesn't necessarily mean that UFOs had anything to do with it though. Maybe there is a more conventional explanation. SkyWalker,
>Thanks for the info
You are welcome.
<<< I have been wondering what it could possibly be about a UFO encounter that would cause a compass needle would spin. >>>
The geometry of discs may very likely reveal an inner 'view' of the machinery inside a flying-saucer. Couple that with the reports of several up-close observations, up inside, through the bottom of landed discs by Human observers, the information suggests that there is a large wheel-like mechanism with paddles inside the disc that rotates. It is also this rotation that is suspected to cause the high-pitch tone that certain animals hear and which causes these animals to cower. Then there are videos, such as the 1992 Mexico City flying-saucer where one can clearly see, the atmospheric ionization surrounding the flying-saucer is rotating around the craft likely being driven by the ionizing field from the craft. This could explain a rotating magnetic field capable of causing a compass needle to spin while the saucer is present.
<<< ...do you know of any reason why a compass needle might be spinning when placed on a vehicle? Is there anything that might cause that to happen... >>>
First let me point out, that I'm not a physicist and while I've expended a fair amount of time studying magnetic fields, I am by no means an 'expert'. So it is possible that there are other possible explanations that are unknown to me.
There are other non-obvious possibilities as well which don't involve alien mecha. Say one places a compass on a ferritic metal such as a automobile body, the Earth's magnetic field is distorted by the presence of the metal, and a nearby compass needle will align itself following the distorted lines of the Earth's magnetic field. If one were to position the compass such that, the compass needle is biased just below the natural re-alignment field point yet is held in alignment with the distorting field, and then another large metallic object were to pass nearby, that body's interaction within the Earth's magnetic field might be sufficient to cause the apparently static compass and the auto-body metal it is sitting on, to move the needle, by changing the field equilibrium...it is possible that the compass need could spin, but it would only do so for as long as large metallic objects, and timed correctly, were to continuously pass by. Or perhaps a solar coronal-mass-ejection, causing a larger burst of solar-wind plasma were to impinge on the ionosphere, that could cause a compass needle to spin, for a short time. Its all about magnetic fields and something has to move to either cause a varying magnetic field or something has move into a field to cause the field magnitude to vary in some manner.
<<< or is the whole idea about the spinning compass just total make believe nonsense? >>>
I have not seen this effect although I have seen other strange magnetic effects in the presence of alien mecha. I have read several different reports which were the result of different people with different observational skill-sets who made the measurements, so it is possible that a compass needle could be made to spin by unknown to Human understanding causes. These type exhibitions are known as being 'phenomena'. It is the discovery and observation of authentic phenomena that fuels science inquiry. I'd love to see a compass sitting on an automobile, stationary, with the needle spinning!! What could cause such an occurrence? Perhaps ET can manipulate our consciousness such that, the craft can still be located nearby, causing to compass needle to spin, yet the Human investigator looking at the compass can not see the craft. Or maybe there's something truly exotic happening, such as a multidimensional rift possibly caused by a previously highly focused gravity-beam which altered the fabric of reality in the metal of the vehicle? These are just wild speculations. Its easy to speculate when there is little or no data available.
I've often wondered if what people were reporting was mis-identification of compass spinning when placed near a highly magnetized automobile body because they were moving the compass slightly about in their hand. Car bodies are typically not magnetized, so if the metal were to become highly magnetized as result of having been immersed in a powerful magnetic-field emanating from a flying-saucer, a compass would behave very differently than when placed on or near a non-magnetized metal object. ET objects are known to spin compass needles when ET craft are nearby and that is not speculation. You could try an experiment with a car-body and a compass. Move the compass around the hood of your car, note how the compass behaves as you move it around close to the surface. Then place a very powerful magnet (removed from an old broken hard-disk-drive voice-coil motor). Place the magnet on the inside surface of the hood of your car, then place the compass on the outside surface to compare how the compass behaves as you move the compass around in the same area.
<<< It seems to be most prevalent in Hollywood and the television industry rather than something that comes from actual investigated cases.. >>>
Hollywood writers research for movies, when they do, they read everything they can put their eyes on, they contact technical ET investigators for information. The general UFO-logical public does not discuss, does not locate, does think about the technical observations of ET objects. Most social chat-rooms are only interested in what the users can understand or are interested to know, which for the most part is the sociology of ET contact. Abductions, telepathy, sightings, folks' reports about their personal contacts with ET...the social aspects are the general ET discussion topics, not the EM effects. It is for this reason that the general UFO-logical public knows little about what is known about the technical aspects of alien mecha, in my opinion.
There have been many reports of electro-magnetic effects (EM Effects), while actual studies are far and few, and are generally kept close to the breast. There are good reasons for doing so which are not obvious. I took the liberty to dig up a few EM references for you, sans the techy stuff, so its fairly easy reading without requiring use of a calculator...for everyone.
A few reported EM Effects: www.nicap.org/books/coufo/appendixe.htm
Mark Rodeghier's experiments with EM effects: www.textfiles.com/ufo/micro.txt
EM Cases: www.nicap.org/cat3.htm
The above should whet your whistle somewhat as there's some juicy tidbits to suck on...
Enjoy
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Post by skywalker on Jun 4, 2012 10:25:22 GMT -6
The geometry of discs may very likely reveal an inner 'view' of the machinery inside a flying-saucer. Couple that with the reports of several up-close observations, up inside, through the bottom of landed discs by Human observers, the information suggests that there is a large wheel-like mechanism with paddles inside the disc that rotates. It is also this rotation that is suspected to cause the high-pitch tone that certain animals hear and which causes these animals to cower. That is exactly the same way that Lois described the craft that she saw back in 1972. She said there was a wheel like thing in the bottom that had slats on it and it rotated. I would assume the turning causes the electromagnetic energy that people describe, and electromagnetic energy could theoretically counter the effects of gravity...or at least that is what the science fiction writers say. It doesn't give any clues about what the actual source of power might be though. If these craft had a nuclear power source then any UFO crash site should be extremely radioactive, but as far as I know there was never any radiation detected at Roswell, or any of the other alledged crash sites that I am aware of. Apparently they must be using some other type of a power source.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 7, 2012 0:43:45 GMT -6
Actual rotation or rotating lights is described is disc reports. Also sometimes a whirring or whirlling sound.
How these craft actually operate is the million dollar question as far as the public is concerned. I beilieve those in the know in government or aerospace already know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 7:03:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the info, Plutronus. I have been wondering what it could possibly be about a UFO encounter that would cause a compass needle would spin. That is something that has never made any sense to me even though it seems to be a stereotypical part of UFO lore. It seems to be most prevalent in Hollywood and the television industry rather than something that comes from actual investigated cases so I am always surprised when I find examples of it supposedly happening, like in the Reed case or the Hill case in 1961. If, as you say, only a moving electromagnetic field would cause a compass to spin like people claim, and the magnetic fields left behind in magnetized metal is static, do you know of any reason why a compass needle might be spinning when placed on a vehicle? Is there anything that might cause that to happen or is the whole idea about the spinning compass just total make believe nonsense? The lingering radiation and its effects is another example of a UFO encounter stereotype but there seem to be numerous examples where radiation illnesses or effects have been encountered. It seems to happen more to people who witness UFOs rather than people who have reported abductions. The Cash-Landrum is a perfect example where people on the ground saw a UFO overhead and all developed radiation induced type illnesses in the days after-wards. One of the witnesses eventually did die of cancer, although with the prevalence of cancer in our society it is impossible to prove that the cancer was a result of the UFO incident. I can't think of any cases off the top of my head where abductees have reported any types of radiation illnesses but that doesn't mean there haven't been any. It happens much more often to witnesses on the ground. So why would people outside of a UFO be exposed to radiation while people taken into the UFO would not be? When people are abducted the UFO is generally reported as hovering directly over them. You would think that they would be just as likely to be exposed to whatever energy is being produced by the craft as any bystanders would be. I'm going to do a little experiment when I get home with a compass and a bunch of cars to see if I can figure out any way to make the needle spin the way people are describing. If it really is happening there has to be a reason for it. It doesn't necessarily mean that UFOs had anything to do with it though. Maybe there is a more conventional explanation. SkyWalker,
>Thanks for the info
You are welcome.
<<< I have been wondering what it could possibly be about a UFO encounter that would cause a compass needle would spin. >>>
The geometry of discs may very likely reveal an inner 'view' of the machinery inside a flying-saucer. Couple that with the reports of several up-close observations, up inside, through the bottom of landed discs by Human observers, the information suggests that there is a large wheel-like mechanism with paddles inside the disc that rotates. It is also this rotation that is suspected to cause the high-pitch tone that certain animals hear and which causes these animals to cower. Then there are videos, such as the 1992 Mexico City flying-saucer where one can clearly see, the atmospheric ionization surrounding the flying-saucer is rotating around the craft likely being driven by the ionizing field from the craft. This could explain a rotating magnetic field capable of causing a compass needle to spin while the saucer is present.
<<< ...do you know of any reason why a compass needle might be spinning when placed on a vehicle? Is there anything that might cause that to happen... >>>
First let me point out, that I'm not a physicist and while I've expended a fair amount of time studying magnetic fields, I am by no means an 'expert'. So it is possible that there are other possible explanations that are unknown to me.
There are other non-obvious possibilities as well which don't involve alien mecha. Say one places a compass on a ferritic metal such as a automobile body, the Earth's magnetic field is distorted by the presence of the metal, and a nearby compass needle will align itself following the distorted lines of the Earth's magnetic field. If one were to position the compass such that, the compass needle is biased just below the natural re-alignment field point yet is held in alignment with the distorting field, and then another large metallic object were to pass nearby, that body's interaction within the Earth's magnetic field might be sufficient to cause the apparently static compass and the auto-body metal it is sitting on, to move the needle, by changing the field equilibrium...it is possible that the compass need could spin, but it would only do so for as long as large metallic objects, and timed correctly, were to continuously pass by. Or perhaps a solar coronal-mass-ejection, causing a larger burst of solar-wind plasma were to impinge on the ionosphere, that could cause a compass needle to spin, for a short time. Its all about magnetic fields and something has to move to either cause a varying magnetic field or something has move into a field to cause the field magnitude to vary in some manner.
<<< or is the whole idea about the spinning compass just total make believe nonsense? >>>
I have not seen this effect although I have seen other strange magnetic effects in the presence of alien mecha. I have read several different reports which were the result of different people with different observational skill-sets who made the measurements, so it is possible that a compass needle could be made to spin by unknown to Human understanding causes. These type exhibitions are known as being 'phenomena'. It is the discovery and observation of authentic phenomena that fuels science inquiry. I'd love to see a compass sitting on an automobile, stationary, with the needle spinning!! What could cause such an occurrence? Perhaps ET can manipulate our consciousness such that, the craft can still be located nearby, causing to compass needle to spin, yet the Human investigator looking at the compass can not see the craft. Or maybe there's something truly exotic happening, such as a multidimensional rift possibly caused by a previously highly focused gravity-beam which altered the fabric of reality in the metal of the vehicle? These are just wild speculations. Its easy to speculate when there is little or no data available.
I've often wondered if what people were reporting was mis-identification of compass spinning when placed near a highly magnetized automobile body because they were moving the compass slightly about in their hand. Car bodies are typically not magnetized, so if the metal were to become highly magnetized as result of having been immersed in a powerful magnetic-field emanating from a flying-saucer, a compass would behave very differently than when placed on or near a non-magnetized metal object. ET objects are known to spin compass needles when ET craft are nearby and that is not speculation. You could try an experiment with a car-body and a compass. Move the compass around the hood of your car, note how the compass behaves as you move it around close to the surface. Then place a very powerful magnet (removed from an old broken hard-disk-drive voice-coil motor). Place the magnet on the inside surface of the hood of your car, then place the compass on the outside surface to compare how the compass behaves as you move the compass around in the same area.
<<< It seems to be most prevalent in Hollywood and the television industry rather than something that comes from actual investigated cases.. >>>
Hollywood writers research for movies, when they do, they read everything they can put their eyes on, they contact technical ET investigators for information. The general UFO-logical public does not discuss, does not locate, does think about the technical observations of ET objects. Most social chat-rooms are only interested in what the users can understand or are interested to know, which for the most part is the sociology of ET contact. Abductions, telepathy, sightings, folks' reports about their personal contacts with ET...the social aspects are the general ET discussion topics, not the EM effects. It is for this reason that the general UFO-logical public knows little about what is known about the technical aspects of alien mecha, in my opinion.
There have been many reports of electro-magnetic effects (EM Effects), while actual studies are far and few, and are generally kept close to the breast. There are good reasons for doing so which are not obvious. I took the liberty to dig up a few EM references for you, sans the techy stuff, so its fairly easy reading without requiring use of a calculator...for everyone.
A few reported EM Effects: www.nicap.org/books/coufo/appendixe.htm
Mark Rodeghier's experiments with EM effects: www.textfiles.com/ufo/micro.txt
EM Cases: www.nicap.org/cat3.htm
The above should whet your whistle somewhat as there's some juicy tidbits to suck on...
Enjoy
plutronus
Thank You for all this . Sky, I had the same typical question in my mind regarding the radiation of ufo witnesses as compared to an abductee. I can admit that usually it is the "social" aspects of this phenomenon that I'm trying to understand, but I know there's a lot more to it! ;D
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Post by lois on Jun 7, 2012 19:14:41 GMT -6
I wonder if any abductees have gotten cancer because of exposure. I always understood that Betty Cash got cancer from her ufo encounter in Texas. ..
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Post by skywalker on Jun 7, 2012 22:31:52 GMT -6
She did get cancer and she eventually died from it but as far as I know she wasn't abducted, she just witnessed the UFO. All three of the people in the car had what appeared to be radiation poisoning. This is why I keep wondering why abductees don't get radiation poisoning...or do they? I'm still trying to find a case where somebody who was abducted was also exposed to radiation, and why more abductees aren't. Incidentally, Betty Cash died exactly 18 years after the UFO incident...on December 29, the same day that the sighting had taken place. Interesting coincidence.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 11, 2012 16:40:34 GMT -6
I wonder if any abductees have gotten cancer because of exposure. I always understood that Betty Cash got cancer from her ufo encounter in Texas. .. Some abductees have gotten cancer. I'll post a thread when I have time on MUFON's forum. This place has questionable moderation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 1:05:11 GMT -6
And millions who haven't been near a ufo have died from cancer. It could hardly be said that anything about a ufo causes the disease. We either have the genetics for it or not. I came down with a head cold after my abduction..but gee..I do a couple of times a year.
Sorry but I'm 'edgy' about the topic. I've been taking my neighbors brother to his radiation treatments for stage 4 renal cancer that decided to migrate to his brain. He has never smoked..never been around smokers..never been near a ufo..doesn't drink coffee or tea and is just a gentle sweet 53 year old man who's family can't figure out how to tell him he has 2-8 months left to him. And back to UFO's...
This is very far fetched..is there any possible way that the spinning could be some form of created energy from a mini version of a collider? Home grown atom smasher? We don't have that kind of technology but I have wondered if they might and how far off the wall that might be? I've described a few times the noise I heard and felt..it might have been, in retrospect, some type of energy transfer noise....I dunno.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 12, 2012 8:26:28 GMT -6
And millions who haven't been near a ufo have died from cancer. It could hardly be said that anything about a ufo causes the disease. We either have the genetics for it or not. I came down with a head cold after my abduction..but gee..I do a couple of times a year. Sorry but I'm 'edgy' about the topic. I've been taking my neighbors brother to his radiation treatments for stage 4 renal cancer that decided to migrate to his brain. He has never smoked..never been around smokers..never been near a ufo..doesn't drink coffee or tea and is just a gentle sweet 53 year old man who's family can't figure out how to tell him he has 2-8 months left to him. And back to UFO's... This is very far fetched..is there any possible way that the spinning could be some form of created energy from a mini version of a collider? Home grown atom smasher? We don't have that kind of technology but I have wondered if they might and how far off the wall that might be? I've described a few times the noise I heard and felt..it might have been, in retrospect, some type of energy transfer noise....I dunno. The spinning motion described could be producing a form of electromagnetic energy. That is something that has theoretically been suggested that could cause anti-gravity as well as invisibility...two common characteristics described in UFO encounters. As for the power source that is producing the energy itself that could be just about anything. When dealing with an advanced form of technology it could pretty much be just about anything, maybe even something we have not even begun to imagine yet. I suppose the main reason why I started this thread is because I was wondering why some UFO sightings reportedly leave traces of radiation behind while others don't, and why do some witnesses get what appears to be radiation poisoning while others, including most abductees, don't. As far as I know none of the reported crash sites, such as Roswell, have ever shown any traces of radiation so if a UFO did actually crash there it must not have had a typical nuclear power source.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 8:52:33 GMT -6
Guess it's just impossible to say without knowing their 'brand' of physics ;D
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Post by skywalker on Jun 16, 2012 20:54:44 GMT -6
I'm going to be getting home in a couple of days so I will finally be able to do my experiment with the compass. I'm going to test it on a hundred different vehicles of every type imaginable to see if there is anything that might cause the needle to behave erratically. Depending on what the results are I may try a Geiger counter on them later on. I want to see if all of these people who claim to see radioactivity and spinning compasses are really on to something or just misinterpreting ordinary phenomenon. We shall soon see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 22:46:32 GMT -6
That's interesting that both of the physical problems you developed started immediately after UFO encounters. I doubt that radiation had anything to do with either of them but something must have. The ear problem definitely sounds like it may have been caused by the scanning, whatever that was. Did the docters ever come up with an explanation for what caused it? The E.R doc said that it is rare for a person my age to have a ruptured eardrum. ______________________________________________________________ Good luck with the experiment Skywalker,,,Ive been curious about this myself and would like to know the results. Im curious if when some of these tests were performed with the compass if the person using it kept the needle due north at all times or if they pointed it towards the vehicle as they turned each direction. That of course would cause the compass to move because it should always point north. I would think that there would be several parts in the vehicle also that could cause the compass to react which was mentioned by someone else in another thread recently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 10:34:43 GMT -6
Radiation is so sloppy for an advanced race to be using...I just think they would not unless it were absolutely necessary. We'd use it because we wouldn't think twice about danger or polluting space but I'm thinking a responsible race would find some clean and less dangerous source.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 11:12:42 GMT -6
Radiation is so sloppy for an advanced race to be using...I just think they would not unless it were absolutely necessary. We'd use it because we wouldn't think twice about danger or polluting space but I'm thinking a responsible race would find some clean and less dangerous source. Here, here! ;D I think about this, Jokelly, every time someone talks about them being an advanced race. Including if they are somehow stationed here (Earth) semi-permanently, there's got to be a way for keeping themselves from getting contaminated by our "junk" other than acting like they don't want to touch us.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 18, 2012 0:25:55 GMT -6
The spinning motion described could be producing a form of electromagnetic energy. That is something that has theoretically been suggested that could cause anti-gravity as well as invisibility.. ET technology and propulsion is highly speculative although commonalities described in the actual craft does give clues. I noticed something about the underside of the craft in some cases and photos but I'll post that on my own forum.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 18, 2012 0:33:53 GMT -6
Radiation is so sloppy for an advanced race to be using...I just think they would not unless it were absolutely necessary. We'd use it because we wouldn't think twice about danger or polluting space but I'm thinking a responsible race would find some clean and less dangerous source. Here, here! ;D I think about this, Jokelly, every time someone talks about them being an advanced race. Including if they are somehow stationed here (Earth) semi-permanently, there's got to be a way for keeping themselves from getting contaminated by our "junk" other than acting like they don't want to touch us. I think some abductees may be receiving harmful radiation during the acquisition process similar to UFO injury cases. Some aliens tell abductees that they could not live with them when the person ask if they can stay or the hybrid child could not live wih them. The short term exposure to any harful effects may be viewed as low risk by the ETs. A person is also valued when they are younger before any cancer can take effect. There's also the possibility of intentional harm inflicted on a witness or abductee by our own government. Danny Gordon for example was told a skin contact chemical could be used against him if he did not stop talking. Other people have speculated an unusual amount of people in UFOlogy have have been killed off with cancer and it was the governments doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 9:42:22 GMT -6
Well if nothing else the government provides a perfect scape goat. We are so great at shucking blame and not owning up to our part of anything in life. We elect those government scape goats..we cause the pollution..we just want to whine about what isn't right without changing a thing to make it better. If nothing else..we are GREAT at passing the blame hat
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 19, 2012 13:08:49 GMT -6
We elect those government scape goats.. We don't elect anyone. It's a rulling class of Billionaires/ wealthy. It's one reason I don't buy into the secrecy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 15:53:54 GMT -6
And I am absolutely delighted you don't buy into that nasty ole stuff
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 22, 2012 4:15:44 GMT -6
Well if nothing else the government provides a perfect scape goat. We are so great at shucking blame and not owning up to our part of anything in life. We elect those government scape goats..we cause the pollution..we just want to whine about what isn't right without changing a thing to make it better. If nothing else..we are GREAT at passing the blame hat Lol. What? If a person isn't aware of the potential dangers of UFOs and innevidably becomes injured by abductions or UFOs and our government knows what is going on but wants to keep it a secret they are not just scapegoats. Silly statement.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jun 22, 2012 4:26:20 GMT -6
And I am absolutely delighted you don't buy into that nasty ole stuff Just post the first thing that comes into your head.
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