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Sept 9, 2012 5:16:08 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 5:16:08 GMT -6
Back when we were on the old MUFON forum we also did a little study to see whether abductees and experiencers were left brained or right brained and we came to the same conclusion. Almost everybody was what would be considered to be a "right hemi" and just like you described...artistic, creative, imaginitive and open to psychic phenomenon. All of the skeptics would say that the experiencers are more fantasy-prone which would cause them to dismiss the accounts as lacking credibility. It's interesting that your ex-SETI friends actually took the idea seriously. Hi SkyWalker,
Very kewl.
>It's interesting that your ex-SETI friends actually took the idea seriously.
Most of them remain SETIites. Incidentally, SETI hates SETV.
Back to the hemi-test....The hemispheric orientation is now common knowledge in the psychology community. I was surprised to learn that it wasn't prior to the test. The test results papers were published via the SSE peer journal.
The SSE is an authentic scientific frontier phenomenology community, most everyone is an academic. At the conferences, one sees about 50% quantum physicists and the remainder, heh heh, are psychics...psi-intuitives (for JoKelly). Its a fascinating admixture of smart interesting folks. I suspect that ya'll would candy to the SSE conferences/journals...great resource too.
On another subject....I love this board and the Members thinking here. I was chatting with someone recently about this subject. I told'm that one of the reasons I hang-out on the TEOR board is owing to the intelligence I see folks utilizing here and having read books, plus willingness to both read citations (URL links, referrals), and to do that little extra-research to know more. Especially how folks think about things. I've been all over the InterNet over the years, -- folks here actually think about these things, unlike many out there. It is very refreshing. I've learned here too.
The one constant that I've found in my search for ET, --the single most important is Humanity. I found two things, I found Humanity and the Qabalah, 'the escape manual for Humans.'
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Sept 9, 2012 6:37:08 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 6:37:08 GMT -6
Isn't it strange how that works?
The 'more fantasy prone' thing I mean.
I think it's not that the lefties don't see them..
it's that the aliens don't 'hear' them as well.
Maybe part of the 'selection' process is that we won't be believed anyway. :( JoKelly,
All excellent points. I've thought about these issues quite a bit.
>I think it's not that the lefties don't see them..
It seems that they may not remember the events, as their consciousness aren't operating in the proper dimension as the right-hemis are. But its easy to confuse things, ET craft exhibitions are different from EBE exhibitions because they are 'constructed' differently. Then there are luminous-orb type exhibitions which are often mutually confused as well as vice-versa. Luminous-Orbs, I believe are quasi-physical, quasi-psionic and I've seen them bi-locate. The physical craft behave cognitively differently from the EBE exhibitions which seem to be mostly synchronized to Astral sight. The right-hemis operate naturally in the lower realms of Yetzirah...Astral plane, that's where spacialization transpires, while the left-hemis abstract in BiNaH, which is not within the Astral realm. I wonder if there is a way to condition oneself to become a lefty? Then hang-out with righties? <ehhhh> as Bruce Willis says.
>it's that the aliens don't 'hear' them as well.
Yea? I struggle with this one, and I have not been able to track down any info regarding this matter. I often wonder if this is what happens, but if it is, unfortunately begets other questions which were answered another way...its troublesome to my working theory in any case. My ETp experiment was in part designed to test this point.
>Maybe part of the 'selection' process is that we won't be believed anyway.
My working theory and speculation is completely counter to this idea. Its either counter, or there are other issues that are being missed. I suspect, (only a working theory) that if there is any selection processes, its because its an element of another specific alien process about which one is fully unaware. The anecdotal evidence that I think fits the matter, which I've seen both psychically and through other (NDA'd sources) suggests that everyone experiences tuning, like radios on a production like, don't want any of those radios tuning those verboten frequencies. Something in the tuning process seems to awaken us. The pain contacts seems to be part of a different process?
At one juncture, when ET were first mapping my neuro-pathways, I was fully awake. It reminded of a contract I did a few years ago in Virginia, where I was working on a Trident submarine, I had a job to stuff an Elxsi 7000 super-computer inside the airship (that's what they call'em). The Elxsi was located at one end and the gadget I was hooking it to (used to search for BIG Soviet nukes planted off our coasts), was on the other end. And no one knew exactly which wires were what in the three foot diameter cable bundle that ran down the length of the ship. So, using a meter and a jumper wire with aligator clips, I'd short a pair of wires at one end, and then I'd run all the way down to the other end, and then buzz all the wires in the cable to find the shorted pair. That's what it seemed that ET was doing with me. They were searching for my body's resources. Apparently, they don't know what goes to what where? As our brains are connexion machines, each one learns similarly but the actual neural 'wiring' is completely differently brain to brain. They must use us as a cognitive feedback element to map us. They resonate with our bodies so that they can feel what we feel, and then they probe our brain synapses to know what we feel. I'd feel them prodding different areas of my brain, inside my skull. I could feel them moving around in there, it was really weird and a bit scary too, like feeling one's brain doing a muscle spasm or a twitch but with directed purpose, inside the skull. This process occurred on several nights in a sequence. I'd feel some prodding, and then I'd feel a pain in my toe, or an itch on my face (I still feel these occasionally along with colored spots in my vision field, generally red), but when they found the goods down there, my main unit, it was pay dirt baybee! That's when things got really weird...I experienced some of the best sex I've ever felt in my life, all by myself :o But it did not stop there, there were other things that happened also, things I don't feel comfortable talking about.
The only good thing about all of this was that I was awake when it was transpiring, I suspect that it happens to people all the time, why they wait until we are older is a mystery? I suspect most don't know about it, about the mapping when it happens. I envision ET having a huge planetary-wide database cataloging all Human neuro-pathway structures, stored somewhere, that they use to control us in a variety of ways, most of the time we have no clue that we are being influenced or how its being done. Its...just so alien to us, and ludicrous too, like you said, JoKelly, who'd believe it?
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Sept 9, 2012 6:47:23 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 6:47:23 GMT -6
I just wonder what exactly they mean when they say "fantasy prone". I am most certainly right hemisphere and very visual. Some may even call me a day dreamer. I like to write, yet before I begin I will visualize the story. I'll sit quietly and play out scenarios visually in my head. I also use positive visualization when I'm looking for certain outcomes in my life. Some may call this fantasizing. Does this make me fantasy prone? I don't know. Maybe. Yet, I like to think that I'm rational when faced with abnormalities in life. I don't think every noise at night is a ghost or every odd light in the sky is a UFO. I guess I'm just wondering what makes one fantasy prone. It seems like a vague term to me. In Mystical schooling, learning to visualize makes one functional.
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Sept 9, 2012 7:24:23 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 9, 2012 7:24:23 GMT -6
When I did that test at mufon..
I was left brained which no one else was.
Only funjay and me seemed to be left brained. .........
I never heard tell when left brained goes looking for them they show up..
I would like to read that information. Hi Lois,
Fascinating info. As usual...there's never any absolutes in nature, apparently.
When you say it was a test, how was it done? How were the results learned?
Regarding the lefties and ET sighting statistics, it may take awhile, but I promise to look into that to see what I can ferret out for you.
(FunJay, wow...that's a name and a Gal I haven't heard in awhile. I wonder how she & hubby are doing?)
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Sept 9, 2012 8:53:17 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 8:53:17 GMT -6
"The SSE is an authentic scientific frontier phenomenology community, most everyone is an academic. At the conferences, one sees about 50% quantum physicists and the remainder, heh heh, are psychics...psi-intuitives (for JoKelly). Its a fascinating admixture of smart interesting folks. I suspect that ya'll would candy to the SSE conferences/journals...great resource too." Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ufos&thread=2704&page=3#33463#ixzz25z4RY71r____________________________________________________ Yes, I would ;D. We're glad you're here, Plutronus . Thanks recently for different. between ET, EBE, etc. and who seems to show up on the astral plane. Makes sense to me. But what do you mean by orbs bi-locate? I have a guess, now that I just wrote that ( ) , but want to hear it from you. Thanks!
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Sept 9, 2012 9:00:28 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 9:00:28 GMT -6
I just wonder what exactly they mean when they say "fantasy prone". I am most certainly right hemisphere and very visual. Some may even call me a day dreamer. I like to write, yet before I begin I will visualize the story. I'll sit quietly and play out scenarios visually in my head. I also use positive visualization when I'm looking for certain outcomes in my life. Some may call this fantasizing. Does this make me fantasy prone? I don't know. Maybe. Yet, I like to think that I'm rational when faced with abnormalities in life. I don't think every noise at night is a ghost or every odd light in the sky is a UFO. I guess I'm just wondering what makes one fantasy prone. It seems like a vague term to me. I think the term is vague on purpose. A way of dismissing this most unusual phenomenon without even addressing it. Thank G_d, most labeling of people nowadays is more thoughtful; lest we all be medicated . Then I think about all the scientists who are married. Do you think they all married people similar to themselves? I doubt it ;D.
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Sept 9, 2012 10:28:36 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 10:28:36 GMT -6
To me..fantasy prone is another way of saying 'outside of the box'. It's not a derogatory term to me..it means I'm willing to experience things that others don't want to admit even exist. I 'see' another side of the world and if you are seriously here on this forum..you do too
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Sept 9, 2012 11:44:58 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 9, 2012 11:44:58 GMT -6
I think when skeptics use the term "fantasy prone" they are probably suggesting that people can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. In other words people get so caught up in their imaginative daydreaming that they start to believe the imaginary things are real. There are some people who really are like that...they want so badly for something to be real that they actually convince themselves that it is. They try to live a lie even though deep down inside the know it is a lie. As an example I remember a few years ago I was listening to an interview by some daytime TV show host (I think it was Sally Jesse Raphael...don't ask why I was listening to it ) and they were talking about the attack on the World Trade center on 9/11. Sally Jesse proceeded to tell this long story about how she saw the planes hit the building. She said that she was on her way to work and just happened to look in the rear view mirror of her limousine right at the time that the plane crashed and exploded and she just happened to see it and it was such a big emotional moment for her. Then they went to a commercial. During the commercial somebody apparently pointed out to Sally Jesse that she did not go to work that day and we she came back she awkwardly told everybody "I just remembered I didn't go to work that day, I don't know what I was thinking." That is what you call a fantasy prone person. I suppose it is possible that some UFO believers are like that (so are a lot of politicians : but if so it would be a very small percentage. Most abductees and experiencers that I know are people who did not ask for the experiences to happen and would really prefer that they hadn't. They are just trying to understand what happened and deal with it the best they can.
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Sept 9, 2012 11:54:03 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 9, 2012 11:54:03 GMT -6
As for why more "right hemis" have UFO related experiences than "left hemis" I have always suspected that the lefties, due to their more analytical and logical way of thinking, may be more prone to dismiss any experiences they may have as just a figment of their imagination. They are not able to rationalize what happened to them so they dismiss it and act as if it never happened. It may be easier for them to ignore something unexplainable than to have to deal with it.
My best friend is like that. He had the exact same experience that I had but he still refuses to accept that it happened, even though deep down inside he knows that it did. He just prefers to ignore it so he doesn't have to think about it. I think Jo's friend is probably like that also.
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Sept 9, 2012 13:00:38 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 13:00:38 GMT -6
True that..my best friend who was abducted with me..doesn't even admit the day happened and there were things other than the abduction that were way out of the norm that day. Getting hollered at by FBI guys and racing across fields on each others horses when she was terrified of mine..but..as far as that day is concerned..she has NO memory of any of it. She is a 'leftie' also. So you're theory might be right on. They just don't admit it to themselves at all...and we just adjust around it.
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Sept 9, 2012 15:23:07 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 15:23:07 GMT -6
True that..my best friend who was abducted with me..doesn't even admit the day happened and there were things other than the abduction that were way out of the norm that day. Getting hollered at by FBI guys and racing across fields on each others horses when she was terrified of mine..but..as far as that day is concerned..she has NO memory of any of it. She is a 'leftie' also. So you're theory might be right on. They just don't admit it to themselves at all...and we just adjust around it. When I was a kid I told everyone who would listen to me about what happened (mostly the other children on the school bus and playground...). After I got into about 8th grade I stopped telling people about it except my closest friends. After high school started I didn't tell ANYONE about it... I didn't even tell any of my boyfriends I think... it didn't come up. I didn't think about it. It didn't bother me. I rationalized the heck out of the whole situation when I was a teenager. I told myself, well maybe they were lost or they crashed and they were waiting for help and wanted to stay warm? Maybe they just wanted to check out the inside of the house... maybe this... maybe that... maybe both... maybe it WAS just a bad dream like dad said it was... on and on and on... But when I would sit up alone at night with another bout of insomnia and the TV would turn itself on and show weird symbols, or when the power goes off and I am plunged into silent darkness, or when I see a shadow moving, or when I see a strange light outside, or when I have a nightmare about them again I fly into sheer adrenaline mode again until it passes then I would tell myself how silly I was being until the next time... My ex fiance (whom I lived with for about a year and a half) knew about my night time "problems" but I never told him exactly why. I told him about the sleep paralysis. I told him about the nightmares- but I didn't tell him what the nightmares were about... I didn't really recognize the symptoms until I had a discussion with Steve via PM, and then discussing/reading things with all of you and THEN I realized it was all connected...
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Sept 9, 2012 20:29:11 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 9, 2012 20:29:11 GMT -6
I'm a lefty but not fantasy prone. I know when things are real . I also know what I seen and I have NEVER tried to hide it or forget it as all of you know. Statistics.. who needs them? Maybe I'm not a lefty. The test may of been wrong. Or I may of put answers when I was not sure myself.
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Sept 9, 2012 20:32:27 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 9, 2012 20:32:27 GMT -6
I do know all my brain lesions are on my left side of the brain but it controls the right side of the body. so any effects would certainly be on the right . Maybe this is why I'm a lefty. just a thought
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Sept 9, 2012 20:45:54 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 9, 2012 20:45:54 GMT -6
plutronus.. thank you.
Actually Funjay and I are friends on FB still. We became friend when we were all at mufon forum. Cliff would of loved talking to her She seen earthquakes before they occurred. We seemed to of had the same views and insights on a lot pertaining to the unknown. I have not talked to her lately.
I was left a message by her awhile back which seemed so strange in nature. I thought maybe it was not truly her. All kinds of hackers and bugs over their if one is not careful. I even got a trojan horse over there.
Anyway she said she would get in touch it was important. I will not disclose what she told me. It was private indeed. But it raised the hair on the back of my neck.
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Sept 9, 2012 21:10:19 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 21:10:19 GMT -6
OMG Lois... Now I want to know what happened to her!! Ask her if she wants to join the forum and share it with us... you have piqued my interest for sure...
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Sept 9, 2012 21:41:32 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 9, 2012 21:41:32 GMT -6
Funjay is already registered here but under a different name. She hardly ever posts anything though. She has been really busy lately starting a new business and running around all over the place. I'm friends with her on facebook also so I talk to her every now and then too.
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Sept 10, 2012 16:29:53 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 10, 2012 16:29:53 GMT -6
She is here Lorelei. but never post. She has had a very busy life the past few years. She seem to know something about my encounter and was coming back to tell me but never did. I checked her wall and she has not been on in Months.
Charles have you had any messages from Julia lately? How is she doing. Hope all is still going as good as it was last time I did talk to her. Sky have you had any messages from her. Send my a pm if you have.. Thanks ..
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Sept 15, 2012 10:18:41 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 15, 2012 10:18:41 GMT -6
"The SSE is an authentic scientific frontier phenomenology community, most everyone is an academic. At the conferences, one sees about 50% quantum physicists and the remainder, heh heh, are psychics...psi-intuitives (for JoKelly). Its a fascinating admixture of smart interesting folks. I suspect that ya'll would candy to the SSE conferences/journals...great resource too." Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ufos&thread=2704&page=3#33463#ixzz25z4RY71r____________________________________________________ Yes, I would ;D. We're glad you're here, Plutronus . Thanks recently for difference between ET, EBE, etc. and who seems to show up on the astral plane. Makes sense to me. But what do you mean by orbs bi-locate? I have a guess, now that I just wrote that ( ) , but want to hear it from you. Thanks! JCurio,
>orbs bi-locate
Bi-location is a more sophisticated form of Astral-Projection. Secret Brotherhood Mystical Schools teach projection. Its easy to recognize when ya see it, one intuitively knows that something psychic has transpired.
Photo-Orbs and Luminous-Orbs both bi-locate, although photo-orbs have been summarily discounted as being simply air-born dust particles photographed out-of-focus. A clever ruse which Photo-Orbs mimic. I have conducted sufficient tests which demonstrate to me that additional study is required, as there does seem to be unexplained and curious phenomenon present, while the prosaic explanation remains consistent with other similar and known exhibitions of ET intelligence mimicry for stealth strategy. They hide from our sensory perception by using all manners of tricks and illusionary mind contrivances, such as Rutledge's "pseudo-stars", which employs isoluminosity, the perception that different objects displaying the same brightness seem indistinguishable from each other. Mimicry, is the primary reason seasoned ET investigators refer to ET as being the 'tricksters'. ET understand Human cognition very well. Oops but I wander, ad rem, back to the point...
In 1990, ET investigators affiliated with the Russian Institute for Advanced Studies, in a report, were the first to use the phrase 'bi-locate' in conjunction with luminous-orb analysis used to describe the ET mecha psionic exhibition of their usage of Human-like astral-projection. The luminous-orbs psychically appear to 'appear' and 'disappear'.
I prefer to use the 'bi-locate' phrase in lieu of 'projection' to avoid confusion, as most who know of the term 'projection' typically do not understand its depth of function or that there is more than just simply being out-of-control, out-of-body in the lower-realms of Yetzirah during lucid-dreaming. The phrase "Bi-Location" also gives a small glimpse of the function in the phrase itself.
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Sept 16, 2012 15:06:26 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 16, 2012 15:06:26 GMT -6
The ETs do seem to be very good at mimicking and blending into their surroundings in order to go unnoticed. They first reportedly started doing that back in the 1960s probably because the military kept scrambling planes to try to shoot them out of the sky every time one appeared. It kind of makes me wonder why there have been so many blatantly obvious sightings lately. A lot of people are seeing things they should not be seeing if the UFOs were still trying to remain hidden.
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Sept 18, 2012 4:50:15 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 4:50:15 GMT -6
Ugh (to plutronus' answer to my question . Please, tell me they are not "aware" in both places. . .
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Sept 18, 2012 8:49:43 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 18, 2012 8:49:43 GMT -6
Ugh (to plutronus' answer to my question .
Please, tell me they are not "aware" in both places. . . Hi,
When one engages in telepathy with something, isn't one aware in both minds?
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Sept 18, 2012 12:01:03 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 12:01:03 GMT -6
One is aware in both minds.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 20:42:37 GMT -6
hence, the reason why I say "UGH". I'd like to say this is one of the reasons why they are so interested in us (our minds?). From what I understand, humans have observed an "orb looking around", but not necessarily aware of the human watching them, for at least a short while. So, is it possible that these bi-located (or projected) orbs are not fully-sensitive as where they originated from? Kind of like, the limited view at the end of a telescope, until it is moved?
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Sept 18, 2012 21:09:34 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 21:09:34 GMT -6
Well...as the Duchess of Cambridge knows all too well..there are some longggggg range 'observation' devices. If we can make them...can't be all that difficult
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Sept 19, 2012 10:45:36 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 19, 2012 10:45:36 GMT -6
Some of those observation devices do a pretty good job.
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Lol. ;D Poor Duchess. Makes ya want to refresh that topic "Do aliens watch us take a shower?" ;D *************************************************** I know of a priest who had a large following and was wanted at two different places at the same time. It was important to him to be at either place. What does one do? The story goes, that he was speaking at one place, and he was also seen at the other. I guess the second place, he was on the stage, front and center, on his knees praying. No note was made on him arriving there or on his leaving, so I don't know fine details. . . Is this "bi-location"? This is what I'm thinking of, in reference.
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Sept 22, 2012 17:17:18 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 22, 2012 17:17:18 GMT -6
There are Biblical references to bilocation, similar to the situation that you just described. Some of the saints were supposed to be able to do it. Don't know if that is the same thing as what the orbs are doing though.
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Sept 23, 2012 13:09:48 GMT -6
Post by paulette on Sept 23, 2012 13:09:48 GMT -6
People who are dying in one place often show up in another -usually someone they love and want to say goodbye to.
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Sept 24, 2012 13:03:17 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 13:03:17 GMT -6
Creepy... o.O
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