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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 2:12:09 GMT -6
It's good that other scientists are getting involved with this. The more intelligent and educated people we have looking at it the sooner the riddle of what exactly it is and why it turned out the way it did will be solved. I think that even if it is totally human it is still an amazing discovery. I wonder if the other tiny specimens that supposedly were discovered in Russia are the same as this one, with all of the unique physical traits that this one has, like the abnormal number of ribs? Has anybody been able to find any detailed information on the Russian bodies? The one in Russia is larger in height but still small. It has twelve ribs according to this video. I could only find a Russian translation. This is part 1 of 5. The second video(2 of 5) shows quite a bit of footage of the corpse.
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Post by plutronus on May 9, 2013 4:22:30 GMT -6
3 feet, I could believe human; 2 feet even. But 6 inches?! 6 to 8 years old?! Human??! Prove it! It's already been established as "proof" Swampy, read the article where the Harvard scientist states it as fact. Hey...looking a bit closer, I doan'kno if its proof, but the little dude seems Human to me...?
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Post by swamprat on May 9, 2013 6:50:30 GMT -6
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Post by bewildered on May 9, 2013 7:00:43 GMT -6
Isn't it already established that it's human dna? All of the rest is speculation until forensic anthropologists have a go at defining the area it came from and everything the little body can tell them. IDK... the very deepest parts of me isn't buying that this 6 inch being is human... i still think this is government disinformation... Why would the gov. want to cover it up? I suppose that is the first question that occurs in my mind. With the world's greatest scientific minds concurring that the statistical likelihood of life occurring elsewhere in a universe we have scarcely observed being rather high (the "larger" the universe is, the higher the probability) - and especially with "alien" themes dominating film and media - it is more probable that the bankers and global corporations would rather be very interested in cashing in on the extraterrestrial phenomenon. I mention those two interest blocs since they exert the greatest influence over the world's governments. That might be a matter for another thread, perhaps, but the evidence supporting that is rather plentiful. Your average scientist strives to do their work sans agenda, auntym. The mechanics of the scientific community serve to keep us honest because in order for a theorem to attain acceptance, it must undergo the gauntlet of peer review. Every aspect of your work must be replicated and duplicated by others in a controlled environment, which creates an empirical consensus. For example, if you claim that something is blue, dozens of other scientists must also reach that conclusion. In order for your work to be accepted as credible, you have to detail - very meticulously - everything about your work. Preliminary results from this very unusual specimen indicate that it is human, and the fact that the initial analysis was conducted by a respected scientist lends additional weight to this "first look." However, this respected scientist would not expect nor demand that others merely take his word for it. Other scientists must study this thing in order to either verify his work, or report different findings. Scientific accuracy is an exacting and continual process, and it relies upon the input and work of a multitude of scientists, not individual personalities. This is how the disciplines of science correct themselves over time. There's nothing "wrong" with being wrong...but refusing to change in the face of evidence is very unscientific.
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Post by bewildered on May 9, 2013 7:31:49 GMT -6
I wrote a paper for one of my psychology courses last year covering a subject very near and dear to the topic of this thread titled "The Power of the Media in America: Science? Schmience!" The disparity between published scientific studies and articles regarding those studies in the popular media quite literally encompasses the reach of interstellar space between our galaxy and our closest neighbor in the galactic neighborhood.
By the way, our galaxies are scheduled to collide in the next few billion years. By then, our Sun will likely be in its Red Giant phase. Sayonara, Earth! ;D
Back on track: words are powerful, and one's choice of words can spell the difference between fact and fiction. I might have said this elsewhere, but it bears repeating again: a good scientist never says "never." Scientific lingo is precise for a reason, and that's because a scientist wishes to avoid misunderstandings. One example in my paper explored a study conducted by a team of researchers concerning the role sleep deprivation might play in weight gain/loss. I reviewed the results published by this team in a peer-reviewed journal, and contrasted it with a popular press article about the study by a "Web MD."
Sheesh. Where the researchers painstakingly detailed their methodology, parameters, null hypothesis, cited the body of work that preceded theirs, and deployed language like "statistically relevant" and "possible" in their report, the so-called Web MD cast a completely different spin on their study.
What did the Web MD have to say? "If you want to lose weight, sleep!"
That bore no resemblance whatsoever to what the team of scientists had to say in their published report. They noted the statistical relevance of sleep deprivation in the lives of American adults, and through painstaking analysis noted the presence of certain enzymes in the bodies of many of their research subjects. They discussed the weaknesses of their research, and indicated areas that needed further study and verification.
In other words, Americans are woefully uninformed about science and scientific studies.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 9:44:32 GMT -6
Americans are woefully uninformed about science and scientific studies....because they don't want to take the time to read. If it's on u-tube or on National Geographic it might filter down..but if it involves cracking a book or working through a scientific paper..oh he11 no. I suffer near heart failure if my computer goes down because it is my dictionary, my news source and my encyclopedia. If I need to know a thing..it's within a search engine of fulfillment..and the best part is I know I'll find about a dozen differently phrased tidbits to tantalize me. I do read but with a computer full of scientific searches for planets, little bitty people, latest stories of Bigfeet, akashic records..the finding of a knights household under a parking lot!!!!! This is Nirvana. This is knowledge at a person's finger tips and a world made tiny by it. So my friend..if people are uninformed..it's because they wish to be IN my opinion.
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Post by bewildered on May 9, 2013 9:57:17 GMT -6
Americans are woefully uninformed about science and scientific studies....because they don't want to take the time to read. If it's on u-tube or on National Geographic it might filter down..but if it involves cracking a book or working through a scientific paper..oh he11 no. I suffer near heart failure if my computer goes down because it is my dictionary, my news source and my encyclopedia. If I need to know a thing..it's within a search engine of fulfillment..and the best part is I know I'll find about a dozen differently phrased tidbits to tantalize me. I do read but with a computer full of scientific searches for planets, little bitty people, latest stories of Bigfeet, akashic records..the finding of a knights household under a parking lot!!!!! This is Nirvana. This is knowledge at a person's finger tips and a world made tiny by it. So my friend..if people are uninformed..it's because they wish to be IN my opinion. No doubt, but the popular media doesn't help very much, either. Media stories are the way they are because it's the "nature of the beast." They must work with very specific time and space constraints and because they make money from advertisers, they must come up with catchy "sound bites" that capture the attention of the "average" reader. The "average" person could care less about the dry and technical world of science, probably because as children in school, they weren't exposed to the basic essentials of the various scientific disciplines. Who wants to read about a study that suggests something? I assure you that's as far as any bona-fide scientific study will go. The data might illustrate a very strong statistical relationship, but it falls short of "infallibility." No, people want "proof," and better yet, they want to be tantalized. The popular media panders to the interests of a market in much the same way that your local grocery store sells brands which customers buy the most frequently.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:03:33 GMT -6
Actually that IS all too true. Like dragnet...I want the facts mam..just the facts..not the suggestion of a fact. One exception to that rule for me is scientific theory. I can happily deal with string theory..and the works of theoretical physicists because I just plain admire them so much and I can sense those things around me. They LIVE in their heads...in fact that is the one saving grace for Steven Hawking..he says that the disease isn't as bad for him as it might be for another because his work is in his head..and anyone who can think in 11 dimensions as he does..is amazing to me who could never have the maths for it. Mention calculus and my lil brain just curls up in a fetal position. I'm happy in my own head and I don't need entertaining but I'm not doing equations in there I don't agree with him when it comes to his thoughts on God and death but I'm bound to be better informed on some things than he is God talks to me on a level Hawking would never allow himself to experience. I believe with all of my heart that we are happiest with a balance between the spiritual and the grounded plane..one stimulates the other if we just bust down the barriers that keep our minds so closed. Faith..doesn't need proof.
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Post by auntym on May 9, 2013 15:18:22 GMT -6
Hey...looking a bit closer, I doan'kno if its proof, but the little dude seems Human to me...?
plutronus Hahahaha... this would definitely push him towards the human side... ;D
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Post by auntym on May 9, 2013 16:13:23 GMT -6
IDK... the very deepest parts of me isn't buying that this 6 inch being is human... i still think this is government disinformation... Why would the gov. want to cover it up? I suppose that is the first question that occurs in my mind. With the world's greatest scientific minds concurring that the statistical likelihood of life occurring elsewhere in a universe we have scarcely observed being rather high (the "larger" the universe is, the higher the probability) - and especially with "alien" themes dominating film and media - it is more probable that the bankers and global corporations would rather be very interested in cashing in on the extraterrestrial phenomenon. I mention those two interest blocs since they exert the greatest influence over the world's governments. That might be a matter for another thread, perhaps, but the evidence supporting that is rather plentiful. Your average scientist strives to do their work sans agenda, auntym. The mechanics of the scientific community serve to keep us honest because in order for a theorem to attain acceptance, it must undergo the gauntlet of peer review. Every aspect of your work must be replicated and duplicated by others in a controlled environment, which creates an empirical consensus. For example, if you claim that something is blue, dozens of other scientists must also reach that conclusion. In order for your work to be accepted as credible, you have to detail - very meticulously - everything about your work. Preliminary results from this very unusual specimen indicate that it is human, and the fact that the initial analysis was conducted by a respected scientist lends additional weight to this "first look." However, this respected scientist would not expect nor demand that others merely take his word for it. Other scientists must study this thing in order to either verify his work, or report different findings. Scientific accuracy is an exacting and continual process, and it relies upon the input and work of a multitude of scientists, not individual personalities. This is how the disciplines of science correct themselves over time. There's nothing "wrong" with being wrong...but refusing to change in the face of evidence is very unscientific. really, you're asking me why the government would want to cover-up the knowledge that the 6 inch being is from another galaxy? well, in my limited scientific knowledge i would have to answer the same reason they cover-up everything else alien... ever since roswell & everything in between... thats why disclosure is so hot now... the people want answers...& they don't believe the government or the scientists... if the government came out right now and said yes this is alien, then they would have to admit we are being visited and they've known it for over 60 years ... and as for the scientists no matter how good they are their knowledge is still limited by what they have learned in our earth schools... scientists on earth know absolutely nothing about alien biology (or so they claim) its too easy to say its human... they rely on government grants to fund their research... they will say anything to keep their grants... scientists never say when they've made mistakes and they make plenty of those... they have their reputations and grants to worry about & protect... not to mention their lives... and lets not forget this tiny 6 inch being has a cone shaped alien head, he has 10 instead of 12 ribs & 9% of his genes could not be referenced to human genomes... i still say he is an alien with similar human features... if i'm wrong, i'm wrong... but we'll never know if i'm right... the government won't allow it ... ok... i'm getting off my soap box now... i see somebody going for the hook... LOL
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Post by auntym on May 9, 2013 17:31:40 GMT -6
It's good that other scientists are getting involved with this. The more intelligent and educated people we have looking at it the sooner the riddle of what exactly it is and why it turned out the way it did will be solved. I think that even if it is totally human it is still an amazing discovery. I wonder if the other tiny specimens that supposedly were discovered in Russia are the same as this one, with all of the unique physical traits that this one has, like the abnormal number of ribs? Has anybody been able to find any detailed information on the Russian bodies? The one in Russia is larger in height but still small. It has twelve ribs according to this video. I could only find a Russian translation. This is part 1 of 5. The second video(2 of 5) shows quite a bit of footage of the corpse. this is great cliff thanks... you can see the alien at 43 sec. & then again at 59 sec. ... i wish i knew what he was saying... this alien is a few inches bigger than the 6 inch one... here is part 2... Uploaded on Oct 22, 2008 A doc. about tiny humanoid or alien found in Kishtim city, Russia in 1996. An old mentally ill woman reportedly found this creature in the woods alive and she brought it home. She named him Alyosha, after her late grandson, and treated it with candies and milk. But when that woman was taken to mental hospital, the creature died. The old woman's daughter-in-law and several neighbors saw the creature alive.
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Post by bewildered on May 9, 2013 20:21:16 GMT -6
really, you're asking me why the government would want to cover-up the knowledge that the 6 inch being is from another galaxy? well, in my limited scientific knowledge i would have to answer the same reason they cover-up everything else alien... ever since roswell & everything in between... thats why disclosure is so hot now... the people want answers...& they don't believe the government or the scientists... if the government came out right now and said yes this is alien, then they would have to admit we are being visited and they've known it for over 60 years ... and as for the scientists no matter how good they are their knowledge is still limited by what they have learned in our earth schools... scientists on earth know absolutely nothing about alien biology (or so they claim) its too easy to say its human... they rely on government grants to fund their research... they will say anything to keep their grants... scientists never say when they've made mistakes and they make plenty of those... they have their reputations and grants to worry about & protect... not to mention their lives... and lets not forget this tiny 6 inch being has a cone shaped alien head, he has 10 instead of 12 ribs & 9% of his genes could not be referenced to human genomes... i still say he is an alien with similar human features... if i'm wrong, i'm wrong... but we'll never know if i'm right... the government won't allow it ... ok... i'm getting off my soap box now... i see somebody going for the hook... LOL Hehe, no, I'm not asking you (or anyone else here for that matter) why the government would want to cover something up, but rather it's a question I pose to myself. What we have when dealing with the government is a sorry track record of transparency and an overall distrust from a public treated like mushrooms (you know, kept in the dark and fed...poop ). It lends an "appearance of evil" to whatever activities the government is involved with or might be involved with, even in those cases where it's eventually shown that the government wasn't doing anything deceptive or nefarious. I can only speak for myself in this, and would never presume to tell anyone else what they should think or believe. I tend to be more cautious than most, since I've learned that it is all too easy to think in one direction or another and miss the limo waiting out front for the taxi waiting out back.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 21:34:57 GMT -6
I'm not sure what constitutes an alien head Auntie. Those kinds of skulls have been associated with Hydrocephalus children and also with children who's heads have been bound. It isn't just some alien characteristic..and while we have proof of the former..we don't have proof of alien heads being shaped that way. I think at least for now..it boils down to what a person feels the need to believe. I would love to see some of our own mysteries solved and let the aliens worry about their own LOL elongated heads are not an isolated phenomenon. They are global, found in many cultures, thousands of kilometers apart and isolated by difficult barriers like oceans, mountains and deserts. The occurrence of elongated heads can be found over long periods of time throughout history, from over 45,000 years ago up to the present. Even more interesting they most often occurred in the elite: royalty, high priests/ priestesses, and nobility in their respective cultures. |
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Post by auntym on May 9, 2013 23:51:24 GMT -6
I'm not sure what constitutes an alien head Auntie. Those kinds of skulls have been associated with Hydrocephalus children and also with children who's heads have been bound. It isn't just some alien characteristic..and while we have proof of the former..we don't have proof of alien heads being shaped that way. I think at least for now..it boils down to what a person feels the need to believe. I would love to see some of our own mysteries solved and let the aliens worry about their own LOL elongated heads are not an isolated phenomenon. They are global, found in many cultures, thousands of kilometers apart and isolated by difficult barriers like oceans, mountains and deserts. The occurrence of elongated heads can be found over long periods of time throughout history, from over 45,000 years ago up to the present. Even more interesting they most often occurred in the elite: royalty, high priests/ priestesses, and nobility in their respective cultures. |
www.scribd.com/doc/29197361/Artificial-Cranial-Deformationi've read a tiny bit about this deformity jo... but lets not forget the other possibilities... a reminder of other unsolved mysteries ... and pay attention to the buzz words... for example... MAY, SUGGESTING & others. ... there are several buzz words that make me feel that they really don't know themselves... the little guy is humanoid, where he comes from is the real question... and no one wants to bet there life or career on it... so to be safe they say he's human & comes from earth... i don't think we can TOTALLY rule out the possibility that he is alien and comes from a planet 3 light years away... IMO www.starchildproject.com/www.livescience.com/29176-alien-looking-skeleton-poses-medical-mystery.htmlwww.livescience.com/25743-alien-like-skulls-excavated-mexico.html
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 0:03:48 GMT -6
Nothing can be ruled out considering what we actually know unless you believe the DNA report is the truth and I tend to believe it is. I don't know diddly about what goes on in outer space miniature wise...but I know the stories that circulate in our world ..in fact I think I remember you saying you believed in fairies. This little body could be related in that direction That we have a tiny skeleton to examine is amazing enough to me. Forensic anthropology can tell volumes about a skeleton and I'm sure that's the next step. If it's a one time anomaly it's a doozy and if it's the skeleton of a species..that's a doozy too..win win
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Post by auntym on May 10, 2013 0:13:30 GMT -6
really, you're asking me why the government would want to cover-up the knowledge that the 6 inch being is from another galaxy? well, in my limited scientific knowledge i would have to answer the same reason they cover-up everything else alien... ever since roswell & everything in between... thats why disclosure is so hot now... the people want answers...& they don't believe the government or the scientists... if the government came out right now and said yes this is alien, then they would have to admit we are being visited and they've known it for over 60 years ... and as for the scientists no matter how good they are their knowledge is still limited by what they have learned in our earth schools... scientists on earth know absolutely nothing about alien biology (or so they claim) its too easy to say its human... they rely on government grants to fund their research... they will say anything to keep their grants... scientists never say when they've made mistakes and they make plenty of those... they have their reputations and grants to worry about & protect... not to mention their lives... and lets not forget this tiny 6 inch being has a cone shaped alien head, he has 10 instead of 12 ribs & 9% of his genes could not be referenced to human genomes... i still say he is an alien with similar human features... if i'm wrong, i'm wrong... but we'll never know if i'm right... the government won't allow it ... ok... i'm getting off my soap box now... i see somebody going for the hook... LOL Hehe, no, I'm not asking you (or anyone else here for that matter) why the government would want to cover something up, but rather it's a question I pose to myself. What we have when dealing with the government is a sorry track record of transparency and an overall distrust from a public treated like mushrooms (you know, kept in the dark and fed...poop ). It lends an "appearance of evil" to whatever activities the government is involved with or might be involved with, even in those cases where it's eventually shown that the government wasn't doing anything deceptive or nefarious. I can only speak for myself in this, and would never presume to tell anyone else what they should think or believe. I tend to be more cautious than most, since I've learned that it is all too easy to think in one direction or another and miss the limo waiting out front for the taxi waiting out back. i agree bewildered, i'm guilty of biased thinking myself...but only sometimes... LOL...
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Post by auntym on May 10, 2013 0:16:12 GMT -6
Nothing can be ruled out considering what we actually know unless you believe the DNA report is the truth and I tend to believe it is. I don't know diddly about what goes on in outer space miniature wise...but I know the stories that circulate in our world ..in fact I think I remember you saying you believed in fairies. This little body could be related in that direction That we have a tiny skeleton to examine is amazing enough to me. Forensic anthropology can tell volumes about a skeleton and I'm sure that's the next step. If it's a one time anomaly it's a doozy and if it's the skeleton of a species..that's a doozy too..win win i do believe in fairies... but don't tell my kids... LOL
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 22:38:28 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on May 23, 2013 10:37:58 GMT -6
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/ata-6-inch-alien-sirius_n_3246330.htmlLee Speigel lee.speigel@huffingtonpost.com Ata -- The So-Called '6-Inch Alien' -- May Have An Earthling Cousin, And Ripley's Wants To Find HimPosted: 05/22/2013 When a new documentary promised to unveil DNA tests on a 6-inch-tall humanoid found 10 years ago in Chile, everyone weighed in with an opinion. UFO researchers hoped this might finally be proof of alien visitations. Skeptics were sure it was nothing more than shameless movie promotion. The latest ripple in this controversy might be the most bizarre turn yet. And by "ripple," I mean Ripley -- as in "Believe It or Not!" The tiny mummified figure -- better known as Ata (pictured at right in the above image) -- was found in Chile's Atacama Desert in 2003. It is featured in the recent documentary "Sirius." Even after detailed X-rays, CAT scans and DNA analysis, questions are still being asked about Ata's origin. Genetic testing -- while not totally conclusive yet -- strongly suggests Ata is 91 percent human. But it's the other 9 percent of unknown properties that still have experts scratching their heads. Further DNA analysis might help unravel the mystery. Part of the controversy involves some scientists claiming Ata was a human who lived six to eight years, while others insist Ata was a mummified aborted human fetus. You can't have it both ways. And now, meet Atta Boy (pictured at left in above image). Yes, Atta Boy, also around 6-inches tall, also from the Atacama Desert area as Ata, but reportedly from Bolivia SEE SLIDE SHOW & CONTINUE READING: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/ata-6-inch-alien-sirius_n_3246330.html[/color]
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Post by skywalker on May 23, 2013 14:28:43 GMT -6
Interesting. So another little dude has been discovered. I don't see how it could be a shrunken body since the bones are still in it. Bones don't shrink. It's probably another member of the same species of little humanoid that the other one came from. I tried counting the ribs on the one in the photo to see if there were ten or twelve but couldn't tell how many there were.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 23:10:56 GMT -6
Before long there will be a veritable tribe of them because that's what hoaxers do.
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Post by CitizenK on May 23, 2013 23:26:34 GMT -6
Oh how I've missed you! *sigh* They told me you'd left...I'm so glad you've popped back in, even if for a minute!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 23:38:59 GMT -6
Thank you CK.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2013 10:24:19 GMT -6
paolov.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/atacama-alien-mystery/Caution : This post contains subject matter relating to abortion which some people may find upsetting.The article makes some valid points. At the bottom where the replies are at there are also some interesting questions and possible answers. I don't know enough one way or another but found it interesting enough to post. Once it has been determined either way I hope it receives the proper burial procedures it deserves so it can respectfully be laid to rest.
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Post by skywalker on May 26, 2013 13:24:10 GMT -6
I just read through all of the replies and it does kind of make sense. If this thing does turn out to be nothing more than the mummified remains of a human fetus Greer and his team are going to end up looking like fools. The only excuse they could give for making an error like that would be that the fetus was mummified which might cause their test results to be slightly different from that of a recent fetus. I wonder what it was that caused them to originally come to the conclusion that this was ever anything more than just a mummified fetus? Just it's small size?
I think it is interesting that both this specimen and the one in the Ripley's photos both reportedly came from the same general area, and if the approximate dating for the recent Atacama mummy is accurate they both died approximately 100 years ago (although that is just a guess). If true though it would place both specimens from roughly the same time period as well.
Kind of makes me curious just what exactly was going on down there back then.
I'm going to search around and see if I can find any mummified fetuses or infants that have come from that region. If there were two there might be more.
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Post by auntym on May 29, 2013 10:53:52 GMT -6
cosmic-soup.com/ata-russian-cousin/ Does the Chilean “Ata” have a Russian Cousin??[/color] Posted by: Michael Straus May 28, 2013 in Breaking News, UFOs & Does the Chilean “Ata” humanoid have a Russian cousin? Articles are popping up quickly, rushing to dismiss the Atacama Humanoid (or simply “Ata”) as merely human. However, I’d urge some patience here. Ata may not be alone. About 10 years ago, in Russia’s Siberia, a Russian woman discovered a tiny creature which has become known as the Kyshtymskiy dwarf (known locally as “Alyosha”). At the time of Alyosha’s discovery, s/he was – according to reports – alive. Russian journalist Andrew Loshak reported extensively on Alyosha at the time. For those of you who speak Russian, take a look at his TV report. Regarding Ata, I recently corresponded with Stanford University’s Garry Nolan, who spearheaded the examination of Ata. (Nolan’s CV includes: Associate Professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and the Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Director of the Stanford NHLBI Proteomics Center, editorial board member for the journals Gene Therapy & Molecular Biology, Cells to Genes, and Molecular Therapy.) Here’s what Nolan said: “The specimen appears to be human, and there is nothing (repeat NOTHING) in the DNA that suggests it is nonhuman. There are anomalies in the specimen– the bone density compared to the size, the fact it had only 10 ribs when it should have 12. I can find no gene mutations that I can easily state are the cause of the disorders seen in the specimen. But it is also fair to say that genetics of human biology and mutation is in its infancy… and we know so little about the human genome. Thus, we have a medical mystery at this point, but not a paranormal mystery. Others have speculated how the specimen remains unexplained, and I will not argue with them. My only purpose was to provide “raw data” and some early conclusions.” In his executive summary, Professor Ralph Lachman, the scientist who literally wrote the book on skeletal and pediatric bone anomalies (including dwarfism), states: This specimen does not fall under any known, to me, class of disorders or syndromes. … There is no known form of dwarfism that accounts for the anomalies seen in this specimen. Most interestingly, based on knee epiphyseal standards, the specimen appears to be 6-8 years old. While there remains a possibility this latter result is due to some form of unknown progeria (rapid aging syndrome), in my opinion this is a low probability. The major abnormalities appear to be (1) the size of the specimen, which is not in accordance with an apparent age of 6-8 years, (2) mid-face hypoplasia (underdevelopment of the jaw), and that the specimen has only 10 ribs (humans normally have 12). I’m attempting to contact Loshak to learn more about Alyosha - which will give me a great opportunity to practice my (very) rusty Russian language skills – and will report any additional findings. CONTINUE READING: cosmic-soup.com/ata-russian-cousin/[/color]
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Post by auntym on Jun 19, 2013 11:32:47 GMT -6
www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=25675Atacama Humanoid: Stanford-Geneticist Says Specimen "not worth scrutiny" 2013 06 18By Elizabeth Leafloor | Red Ice Creations The documentary SIRIUS has intrigued and shocked many, and has stirred debate about the scientific findings regarding the ’Atacama Humanoid’. Recently, daily German science news site GreWi.de followed up with Dr. Garry Nolan, the Stanford geneticist that headed the investigation into the mummified remains. grenz|wissenschaft-aktuell reports: Since the documentary movie "Sirius" showed the first results of an investigation of a just 15 centimetres tall little mummy discovered in the Atacama Desert, analysed in depth by medics and geneticist of Stanford University, it created heavy controversies and misconceptions about what those (preliminary) results truly meant for an understanding of the specimen as well as about what the participating scientists think it is. Portions of the GreWi.de interview follows (and the full interview in English can be found here): grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.de/2013/06/exclusive-stanford-geneticist-garry.htmlThe Atacama Humanoid does not need to originate from the stars to be an amazing thing. Surely understanding this being, a human and thus a part of the human condition, is vitally important to our understanding of humanity at large. Indeed, it would not be outside the realm of possibility that another such human could be born. In fact, a recent article by Lee Speigel suggests that the Atacama Humanoid may not be the only specimen of it’s kind. Either way, a scientist’s suggestion that it’s not worth further ’worry or scrutiny’ is a strange position to take. Why end research or stifle inquiry into such an important issue? MORE information is needed, not less. Just as the discovery of Homo floresiensis ("Flores Man", nicknamed "hobbit") as a new hominidae species was a vital step towards filling in the gaps in our knowledge base of human origins, so too should the Atacama Humanoid be examined at length for the same purposes. Criticisms of the Atacama Humanoid largely echo those faced by archaeologist Mike Morwood who discovered the Flores Man, and Lloyd Pye in his research into the StarChild Skull; That in these cases the remains are only mutations, pathologies of anatomy, thyroid malfunctions, or syndromes. However, Dr. Nolan himself has remarked that, "the observed abnormalities do not fall into any standard or rare classification of known human pediatric disorders". CONTINUE READING: www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=25675
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 15:36:33 GMT -6
I thought..the last I heard was that it was a fetus..early aborted and possibly aborted because of it's abnormalities. There was a time when doctors (and maybe they still do) keep aborted babies in jars along with those of animals too..I know I've seen horses and pig fetuses in miniature in jars on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 6:52:52 GMT -6
I can't imagine someone letting themselves so openly called a fool, if this is only a human fetus. Such things ruin careers and lives. I would think that the scientists involved with this story are very aware of what people are going to say. As stated in the article above, this fetus is amazing on its own .
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Post by skywalker on Jun 20, 2013 8:35:14 GMT -6
The evidence is pointing in the direction that it is a mummified fetus and the mummification process is what threw everybody off. The people investigating it were basing their age estimates off of bone density which made them think the thing was six to eight years old but mummification actually causes bone density to change which would cause the bones to appear older than they really were. If it really is just a fetus that would explain the discrepancy in the number of ribs that it has because the two lowest ones don't develop until later on. Other than that there really aren't many differences from an ordinary human.
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