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Post by plutronus on Dec 12, 2012 8:53:31 GMT -6
Secrets of the UFO by Don Elkins, Ph.D. w/Carla Reuckert
There's lots of juicy info in this book. I very much recommend serious investigators read it. Its a gem. It was written by a scientist who studied ET presence in the 1960s ~ 1980s. He was the first to tackle the thorny issues of direct contact, which he did by following the data-trail instead of discounting it as simply being too 'fringy' for science investigation. While the information content returned, is at times strange, and often difficult to embrace (IMO), when viewed in its entirety, as researched and presented by Dr. Don Elkins, it reveals a glimpse of the level of incommensurability that exist between intelligent communicative species, while exposing commonality of conscious beings, likely, everywhere. Its an authentic scientific expose of ET contact method replete with an inside track of some of the most important movers and shakers in the evolving psi-upshift.
Enjoy....plutronus
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From: www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ra_material/secrets_ufo.htm
Chapter 2 from Secrets of the UFO by Don Elkins, Ph.D. w/Carla Reuckert
(book is in the public domain)
The Telepathic Contact
Do a movie on Uri. Melanie is the one to do it. Work at it; it will come out at the right time. You are not to entrust anyone with the secret of our existence—no one.[1]
This message was received at 2:00 p.m., April 14, 1972. It appeared as if by magic on Dr. Andrija Puharich’s cassette tape recorder, and was alleged to have been transmitted from a UFO. At 1:03 a.m. on August 27, 1972, the following was received in the same manner by Dr. Puharich:
One of our failures is that we cannot contact you directly. We can only talk to you through Uri’s power on the tape recorder. It is a shame for such a brilliant mind we cannot contact you directly. Maybe in time we shall be able to contact you directly …
This afternoon we heard the movie script … it is a brilliant movie but not the story we want. We want you to prepare the earth for our mass landing, a mass landing on earth. We landed in South America 3,000 years ago, and we must land again. We want you to tell our story, what you call the UFO experience. Use all the collected data and literature. A.P.: How do we know which is the relevant or true data?
Research the data published. You will know what is correct. Write the movie script carefully, slowly, properly, and cleverly.[2]
Six years earlier, in 1968, I had received essentially the same message, not on a tape recorder but by the direct mental process referred to by the source. I had been experimenting since 1962 with dozens of subjects, pursuing an investigation into the possibility of mental or telepathic contact with UFO sources. By August, 1972, when Dr. Puharich was being asked to prepare Earth for a mass landing by producing a movie on the subject, I was already in the middle of producing a motion picture. My reason for doing so: a UFO source had requested the same task of me.
The important part of this is that each of us had received the same information, totally independently, and allegedly from a UFO source. In fact, most of the information from the UFO source recorded in the book, URI, by Puharich, correlated with the telepathically received data I had accumulated as a result of my own experiments.
My own interest in the possibility of telepathic contact with UFO sources stemmed from my original study of the UFO literature of the 1950s. Most of the people who claimed contact with UFOs were considered charlatans or crackpots by the scientific community in general. It seemed to me, however, that this was the historically classic attitude of men of science toward genuinely new ideas.
This is true to this day, and was emphatically true then. The numerous contactees of the ’50s, as well as many of the more recent contactees, seemed to have a common denominator: most of them claimed direct, mind-to-mind contact with the aliens, rather than verbal communication.
It was not hard to see why the scientific community would be sorely tempted to classify all UFO contacts in a lump under cultist claims because of the metaphysical or religious orientation of most of the messages. On the surface, such contacts seemed like highly imaginative science fiction stories, or like the creations of fanatic cultist groups seeking frantically for their new Messiah.
What the scientific community chose to overlook was the independence of many of the claims from other claims of contact, and the extreme degree of consistency in the content of the messages. This independence was a fact in several of my own contact experiments: the participants did not know when they started what their goal was or what they should expect to happen to them. The messages which they eventually produced were extremely consistent in content with other alleged UFO messages.
I have found increasing numbers of functioning contact groups around the country, in Canada and England, and elsewhere in the world. And in addition to the growing number of voluntary contacts, one can come across many sincerely told stories of involuntary contact.
An example of this which has been well documented is Herb Schirmer’s story. Schirmer, a highway patrolman in the midwest, reported sighting a flying saucer during a routine patrol in 1967. The Condon Committee heard of this and put him through time-regression hypnosis. Under hypnosis, Schirmer recounted contact with the UFOnauts themselves, rather than a simple sighting of a flying saucer. Repeated testing of Schirmer’s memory only proved that he sincerely believed that his story of contact with extraterrestrials was true. The Condon Committee people could not shake his faith in what he remembered of the UFOnauts.
Herb Schirmer’s story is told rather fully by an investigating reporter who seemed well versed in this area. He offered a list of general observations regarding the UFO contactees. Among his points was this one, concerning the way the contactee allegedly receives his messages from the UFOnauts:
While he is being interviewed or questioned, the contactee often seems to be listening to another “voice” or presence in the room. Often there are pauses in his conversation which last as long as forty-five seconds to a minute. After this pause, the answer to a query is given with great lucidity. In interview sessions wherein the contactee has been hypnotically regressed to the time of contact, he begins his entranced recreation of the experience in “normal” hypnotic voice trance patterns. When he reaches the time when the “message” was relayed to him (usually after the mental and physical examination) his voice and manner changes, even under hypnotic trance and he recites, rather than recalls, the dogma which saucer people have relayed to him.[3]
I recognized this description of the contactees’ manner when speaking as messengers for alleged UFOnauts as being similar to the style of speaking used by all of the “telepathic receivers” that I had investigated. Another extremely apt description of this telepathic contact is found in John Fuller’s book, INTERRUPTED JOURNEY. Included in this volume is a great deal of directly transcribed and quoted material from the file of Betty and Barney Hill. They had gone to a psychiatrist with anxiety problems. The doctor had performed time regression hypnosis on both of them, and uncovered an alleged contact with the UFO people. When Barney was asked to recall the language used by the UFOnaut, Barney stated that the being did not speak to him by word, but told him what to do by the alien’s thoughts making his thoughts understand. When the psychiatrist asked Barney if this was some kind of mental telepathy, Barney said that he did not know the definition of the word “telepathy.” Yet he described its process quite well.
It seemed to me to be rather an exaggeration of scientific caution to declare, as so many did, that all of the people who claimed this telepathic communication were suffering from identical forms of mental aberration. The more appropriate response seemed to me to be to attempt to check this common denominator out.
For this reason, I set up a control group of people whose sanity and habitual veracity I could vouch for, and proceeded to expose them to conditions which allegedly would produce UFO contact. The instructions, of course, had come from an alleged UFO source which I had come across several times in my research.
Since 1962, I have worked with over 100 of these human guinea pigs who were successful in mentally receiving what I believe to be messages from UFOs.
The data collected through these telepathic receivers created a problem in evaluation. I had originally hoped to be able to extract material of a scientifically evidential nature from these experiments, but soon after the start of the experiment, I realized that rigorous analytical control was not possible. Telepathy itself is still proving extremely difficult to investigate scientifically, when the receiver and the sender both can be monitored exhaustively. And, needless to say, if we could put our hands on the UFO senders to test them, we would have our experiment’s end.
Yet it was possible to produce an unending supply of data. So I simply chose to generate a great deal of data, figuring that it was a mistake to expect material of this nature to fit any preconceived notion that I might have had.
After carrying on this experiment for over 13 years, I now feel that I can make the following statement: The information claimed to be received by numerous UFO contactees can be duplicated in a controlled situation.
For example, in numerous instances, I have been able to produce the telepathic contact in people who have no previous knowledge of UFO literature. In each case the message which they receive has correlated in its content to a very high degree with other UFO contactees’ messages. The results of this experiment indicate to me that we should take a very close look at this UFO contactee information. It is my belief that within this information is the key to creating a much more direct contact with the elusive UFO phenomenon.
When I work with Uri Geller, the results we achieve with telepathic experiments are remarkably good.
See Ch2 jpg (at bottom..plutronus)
Many professional magicians have stated that Geller is actually a very clever trickster with no special mental ability. It seems that few of them have applied the scientific method of repeated experiment to determine his ability.
I found that, for my own edification, the most conclusive tests were those performed in a random fashion during the normal daily routine, completely unannounced. That is, Uri did not know that I was testing his telepathic ability as we carried on a normal conversation during the day. The result: for me, there is no doubt that Uri Geller is a first-class telepathic sender and receiver.
Telepathy is not a difficult technique to learn. I am convinced that it is a basic form of communication that our civilization has forgotten due to lack of use. It is analogous to the ability to do one-arm pushups. Anyone can do them, with enough practice and conditioning.
Most of us can show evidence of a telepathic “muscle,” since we’ve usually had experiences of starting to talk about a subject simultaneously with a close acquaintance.
Telepathic communication is very similar to radio communication. If you think of everyone having a radio transmitter and receiver in their brain, you have a close analogy. Our problem is to learn to tune this mental radio for clear transmission and reception. It is my theory that the UFO contacteés are receiving, on often poorly tuned receivers, the powerful and accurately tuned signal of the UFO’s transmitter.
Learning to receive is very simple. It requires practice in making the mind a total blank. This is easier for some of us than others! One way to do this is to make a daily practice of sitting in a comfortable position and letting the conscious mind “run down” or become less active. Finally, short periods of consciousness with no thoughts can be achieved. This is the beginning to tuning the receiver, and is the condition necessary for the UFO contact experiment to succeed. Now this is still far from perfect tuning, but it can be sufficient if, as in the case of the UFOs, the transmitter is very strong.
It seems that language is no barrier to telepathic communication. For instance, a German sender may think, “messer,” meaning knife, and the American receiver will get the impression of a knife. The general contact of that communication will have been achieved, though perhaps nuances in meaning are lost. I believe this to be the case in most UFO contact communications, and accounts for the seemingly common nature of the language.
Once the subjects in my experiment were trained, it was necessary to attract the UFO transmitter. The most efficient way of doing this seemed to be a simple hand-off. The trained receiver was exposed to a contacteés for a brief period, not long enough to dilute the evidential quality of the data which the new receiver might be expected to produce.
Since a study of this nature takes years to produce, and since most of the evidential quality is extracted slowly and cumulatively by the experimenter, it is difficult to prove to the casual observer the nature of the alleged contact. To most researchers, this evidence is simply not conclusive.
Since I have observed over 100 people go through this process and have read millions of words of contactee literature, both published and unpublished, I believe that I am now in a position to select the highly correlative material from the masses of communications. Moreover, the material in the body of this book is selected by me to best represent the material received from the large number of contactees whose material I have studied.
I have no way of vouching for 100% accuracy; however, I have tried to reduce my personal bias to a minimum by investigating as much material as I could find.
The answers you find here are the result of a careful selection from literally millions of words of alleged UFO communication spanning over 20 years and involving contactees both “silent” and published, as well as my own experimentally fabricated contactees. I will make the following observations concerning the general nature of the alleged telepathic communications from UFOs:
[/b]People who have had face-to-face encounters with UFOnauts report telepathic communication more often than any other form. [/li][li] [/b]Those who claim communication at a distance with a UFO source report that telepathic contact was used in an overwhelming majority of cases. [/li][li] [/b]The same general message permeates over 90% of the millions of words received by thousands of people around the world. [/li][li] [/b]I have been able to experimentally fabricate contactees who, with no prior background in UFO literature, produced the general UFO “doctrine” in detail. [/li][li] [/b]Most of my fabricated contactees who have seen a UFO have done so shortly after becoming contactees. [/li][li] [/b]There are over 100 contactees which have been fabricated in my group. Their backgrounds represent a general sampling of our society with educational levels ranging from grade-school to post-doctoral. [/li][li] [/b]Over 90% of these fabricated contactees experienced identical physical symptoms during the time of the contact. [/li][li] [/b]A single message would sometimes be delivered through a dozen contactees, a part through each one. Though the contactees were of different backgrounds and educational levels, the message would be uniform, of coherent continuity, and largely free from normal errors and hesitations of speech. [/li][li] [/b]Two of my fabricated contactees were given only one day of training before returning to their home some 600 miles away. Their progress was monitored by mail, and the result was still the same. [/li][li] [/b]I have found that some people can achieve the contact phenomenon simply by being hypnotized. No preparation or training is necessary for this type of contact. The content of messages received is the same as the great majority of all other contacts. [/li][li] [/b]It is not necessary for the fabricated contactees to believe in UFOs or the reality of the contact phenomena to produce the communications. One of my best hypnotic contactees has never believed, and still refuses to countenance, any part of the phenomenon, although her communications have in all cases been excellent and have matched in exact detail the bulk of other contactee material. [/li][li] [/b]Several of the contactees, particularly those with extensive training in the physical sciences, maintained a highly objective and somewhat skeptical attitude throughout the experiment and still produced excellent communications, precisely analogous to the bulk of material received.[/li][/ul] The process of receiving contact is so simple that it is difficult to adequately describe it. Some people seem to have a terrific natural ability to receive this contact, and some almost none. To receive the contact it is only necessary that a person learn to clear his mind, by any process that seems to work, and then await the contact. I realize that this sounds much too simplistic to yield results. Yet this is the method, if you can call such a simple concept a method, which has produced in my own experimental work many contactees who have produced many thousands of words of standard contactee “doctrine.” Don Elkins [/size] Attachments:
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Post by paulette on Dec 12, 2012 11:24:29 GMT -6
Thanks for starting this thread Plutronus. It fits with my experiences and interpretation of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 20:32:00 GMT -6
The problem often is..that when a person clears their mind and receives input..which most psychics do..too many times they over think it and figure it's their own not from angels or aliens or some other entity. It's a failure to believe..and that...is what all of this takes...from belief in God on down. Belief in self..belief in a higher order..aliens..everything. We are given the option to close ourselves off and live behind the wall..where strange things don't go. And when something strange knocks..well it's justified as something familiar or we can live with a foot in both 'realms' ..and open that door just a crack..which is why we are here
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Post by lois on Dec 12, 2012 23:16:45 GMT -6
My mind was never clear when this contact came. I was doing math for homework probably very frustrated as I hated Math and it was always the subject I had to bring home as the other work in other subjects was easy and had it done in class.. I probably was contacted 20 times in this state.
Another time I was watching CALL OF THE WILD.. With Clark Gable.. These men were fighting over the gold in front of the cabin . then I did not hear I just thought the words. Lois come to the west window. I knew it was them I did not have to go look but I did. We only had one west window.
Last February I was hauling garbage cans and told my neighbor as her car entered the drive. I've have to go get my camera there is a ufo out back. You just know.. It comes from their minds . Not a transmitter aboard a ufo. . The same as I have experienced it with my son's mind his entire life. He will be 50 in the spring. At least that is how it works for me . You don't read their mind . You feel their mind as your own mind .
I know it is not making sense. It is very hard to explain and I have tried for six years now on these forums. . When a thought is thought by them you are getting that thought like you are in a room together and someone is telling you something and you hear it together at the same time. . Someday I will find the words. Maybe they or them what ever they are has conveyed things to my son and he does not realize where it comes from when he knows something to be true but does not know how he knows. I would like to think that comes from God.
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Post by lois on Dec 12, 2012 23:31:48 GMT -6
I've read many cases where the abductee or just someone who is watching a ufo say " I felt like I was in two places at once. that was music to my ears the first time I heard one experiencer say I was in two places at once. Their mind was in two places at once not their physical body. It is the same Idea with my mind and the mind of my son. How it works or what triggers it. I have no idea . I only know it is possible. Science has not gone that far. We have a mind just as capable of what a alien mind can do .. How long it takes that is another question. .They know that also and can tap into it.
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Post by lois on Dec 12, 2012 23:38:09 GMT -6
Maybe just maybe this is what gave me the lesions ;D Them altering your mind and thinking could cause physical damage. ;D ;D Just a funny thought I had this instant. I waited a long time for some one to write a book on alien mind. When it came out I read it but got nothing out of it really ;D When Billy Meier first spoke in the first couple of years. And he spoke of the alien mind as a teenager and how it felt to be contacted. I knew he had experienced something. After all these years a lot of what has happen may be a farce. It and others around him did not know when to stop telling their story.. ;D Quote... opening thread. This is true to this day, and was emphatically true then. The numerous contactees of the ’50s, as well as many of the more recent contactees, seemed to have a common denominator: most of them claimed direct, mind-to-mind contact with the aliens, rather than verbal communication. Thanks plutronus for putting this thread here.
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Post by randy on Dec 13, 2012 1:24:00 GMT -6
A subject on which I am strongly opiniated as normal One of Billy Meiers UFO phots is a clothes drier part from the back of the drum. Says it all for me. Yes it can be done that you can talk with the greys telepathically if they want to do that. They seem to be aware of what I am doing so when they have a quetion about that I get simple questions from them like wanting to know if have moved. The reverse idea some times gets a response but not always. Once while asleep I suddenly got like an electric shock over my entire body and woke up jumping up wondering what happened. That time I felt that the greys had passed close by and played a joke on me In Petaluma Calif is the Niatic Institute which studies telepathy they say. It is only a few miles to the greys base which a remarkable co incidence isnt it. The institute needs to be investigated as grey front
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 23:33:20 GMT -6
"I am going to talk next about IS, which is a dubbed name, standing for Intelligence from Space, and refers to the entities aboard the ship Spectra. Spectra, like many UFO-related names, sounds totally fake, right out of science fiction, and many readers of UFO literature have objected to this seeming comic-book flavor. Uri asked Puharich, “Why the Hollywood name?” Williamson’s book, THE SAUCERS SPEAK, is especially full of these strange names. I realize these names are strange, but on the other hand, I’m quite sure that people like Dr. Puharich and Williamson, who have extensive educational and professional backgrounds, could make up far more convincing sets of identity if they were intentionally creating falsehoods. I think the problem here lies in the limited ability of the UFOnauts to understand our language. If they have been monitoring our communications systems, it might be quite reasonable for them to choose these names as being good for recognition in our language. I would not have been surprised to find their ship named the “Star Ship Enterprise.” " _________________________________________________ from chapter 7 of the link Plutronus provided. I saw this thread this morning, and have been wanting to read it all day . I am a HUGE fan of biblio articles ;D. Ok, now to tell you all; I'm a little Pi_ _ed. I rarely cuss, and I was just cussing to myself . When I had my "spiritual experience" during a time of great stress in my life (I had an ex-parte order of protection), I hadn't eaten for several days, etc., and I "saw" the whole universe (s). I "saw" every little molecule, until I saw through the walls of my mom's bedroom, into the universe. The whole time I was awake and felt like my body was shaking (vibrating) and was asking my mom if maybe we should take me to the emergency room. She said "No", and just comforted me by saying "everything was OK" and just letting me lie there on her bed with her during the night while this happened (I have no idea where my dad was at the moment). I was not "close" to my parents at the time, and would have never considered asking to get in bed with my mom (not since I was 5 or 6 yrs. old). I will never forget what I "heard", loud and clear, the whole time. IS. pause. IS. longer pause. IS . . . . .and this continued for however long this event happened. . . . Later, I was wondering about it, because G_d supposedly said to Biblical Moses "I AM". I told a friend about this event, and she just stated, "well, G_d IS". I embraced that idea, but have never been comfortable with it. The times I have felt G_d, have been steeped with deep longing and unspeakable love. This event had no "emotional feeling" to it, of any nature. I felt very alive, and interested, and my body seemed to be extra-alive, like I was traveling with all those molecules, though my body was on the bed. I can't even adequately describe it! But I wasn't "happy". I can speak of it now as a good experience, but at the time, I just didn't know. Lol. So why am I cussing?? Does this change my belief in the Trinity? At all? NO. I'm just adjusting to all the possibilities of our space friends being real, from this article. And IF I already KNEW all this stuff, how am I going to safely compartmentalyze it in my brain?? gotta read more ;D (Ps. You would not believe the coincidences that are happening in my life these past few days. Now, laughing).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 2:25:41 GMT -6
The times I have felt G_d, have been steeped with deep longing and unspeakable love. |
I would describe it exactly the same way when I've felt God. As when I pray when my mind 'connects' it is exactly that way. Just an indescribable love..so deep.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 8:35:04 GMT -6
Thanks, Jo. Keep me focused on the positive ;D. I'll tell one of the weird co-inki-dinks I've had this week. Almost the end of the school semester, and I was adamant on Monday, directly after I picked up my girls, and later that evening, that they could NOT be on the internet past 10:00 p.m.. Yes, they have to use it for school, but the breaks they take on the PC playing get longer and longer ;D. I had a good evening, did some giggling with my mom when trying out a christmas toy, and went to get on the internet about 9:45 p.m. etc.. I know it was working, because I showed her a house for sale that I liked . She (my mom) went to bed, and I went to get on the PC again. I had never turned it off. No internet connection when I got back on. I hollered to my dtr. asking if her PC had connection, and she said yes, so I did the "restart" thing. Still no internet. My other dtr. came to tell me 'night, and I asked her if her sis was getting off the internet. She looked at me and stated that the "internet was down". I looked at the clock. It was exactly 10:00 p.m. No big deal, you say? If several things happen like this, it gets your attention. Believe me, it takes several things to "impress" me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 10:58:01 GMT -6
I love synchronicities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 15:20:52 GMT -6
Ok, I read this whole book. it was difficult not to skip around in chapter 5. You have to keep reminding yourself that it all sounds alike because that is the author's point, and it is all actually repetitive between many different people. I also want to stress that obviously the author is focusing on the good aliens. The point for telepathy being the main way of communication is established ;D. Today, for whatever reason, I can't recall much detail of the book. What sticks out is Uri Geller, and that some children have been able to copy the metal bending, just by trying. I know that chapter 5 drove me nuts. I kept thinking to myself that surely even plutronus finds this all a bunch of cr_ _. All the stuff about wanting to serve us. Having to go about it in a certain way. I'm sorry. Chapter 5 gave me the distinct impression that "they" are trapped near us, and have nothing better to do.
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Post by plutronus on Dec 17, 2012 15:28:30 GMT -6
Ok, I read this whole book. it was difficult not to skip around in chapter 5. You have to keep reminding yourself that it all sounds alike because that is the author's point, and it is all actually repetitive between many different people. I also want to stress that obviously the author is focusing on the good aliens. The point for telepathy being the main way of communication is established ;D. Today, for whatever reason, I can't recall much detail of the book. What sticks out is Uri Geller, and that some children have been able to copy the metal bending, just by trying. I know that chapter 5 drove me nuts. I kept thinking to myself that surely even plutronus finds this all a bunch of cr_ _. All the stuff about wanting to serve us. Having to go about it in a certain way. I'm sorry. Chapter 5 gave me the distinct impression that "they" are trapped near us, and have nothing better to do. Hi JCurio,
Dr. Elkin's primary contribution, in my opinion, to the understanding of the ET contact paradigm puzzle, isn't the revelation of the content of the telepathic contacts, but rather the invariant correlated distortions. The problem that most have with these type contacts, is that Humans are only looking for the meaning of the information that is acquired through the channel, while ignoring that there is a 'twist' between that of the Alien data-channel and that of the Human data-channel. That 'interface' twist, distorts the information in an apparently random manner, yet, over a large spans, one may begin to see the pattern of the invariant distortion, the manner in which the twist distorts the data, eg, is biasing the data into strange, and often bizarre form that is mainly unacceptable to Human intellect or to seem like bull-cr.ap.
The staff physicist for Robert Bigelow's NIDS, and incidentally, he was one of the live-in investigators at the so-called 'SkinWalker' Sherman Ranch, Eric Davis, in an e-letter to me at one time referred to this interspeciel 'twist' as being "the incommensurability" seen by the NIDS team between themselves and their interactions with ET specis on the ranch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 18:06:10 GMT -6
Why do people take for granted that everyone thinks alike?? Obviously..even on the forum here..we don't think alike..don't process alike and don't reason alike. But...for some reason everyone figures we'll just be able to sit down at a dinner table and discuss politics over leg of lamb with beings not only physically but mentally different than we are. Maybe ham..but never leg of lamb. Seriously..why would anyone figure this? ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 22:18:19 GMT -6
Ok, but was that considered "telepathy" with what was going on at the ranch?
I consider (at this point) that telepathy is "talking". I know, I know; that simplifies things. Regardless of "content", that twist you mentioned happens again and again. . .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 2:38:02 GMT -6
Why do people take for granted that everyone thinks alike?? Obviously..even on the forum here..we don't think alike..don't process alike and don't reason alike. But...for some reason everyone figures we'll just be able to sit down at a dinner table and discuss politics over leg of lamb with beings not only physically but mentally different than we are. Maybe ham..but never leg of lamb. Seriously..why would anyone figure this? ? They are VERY mentally different from us. At least that's what I saw in the mind of the gray who got up in my face and stared at me... it was like he was in my head and I was in his head and what I saw in his head absolutely terrified me because it was so fast and I didn't understand most of what he was thinking and he recognized I was reading his mind too and I felt an emotion from him similar to the feeling you get when a child does something "cute"- like a drawing you put up on the fridge and say, "Aww... look what little Johnny made!" They DO think differently than we do... MUCH differently... they are MUCH faster at processing information... and they can process a whole lot MORE information than we can... processing more information in considerably less time... it's like comparing a one year old to an adult human... there is almost no comparison... very little in common... It's like a baby thinking, "I'm not feeling good and I don't know why..." so he cries. An adult will be thinking, "I didn't sleep well last night so that's why I don't feel good." and he can hide his true feelings to a certain extent. A gray would understand why he didn't sleep well last night, and all of the intricate details of his sleep cycle and what his brain was doing as it transitioned through the different stages of sleep and about four dozen other things we cannot possibly understand... and would experience little if any emotion due to lack of sleep... This is just an example of course. I don't know if they actually "Sleep" or not... but you get the idea I hope...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 2:39:35 GMT -6
It's difficult to describe what I saw in his mind... but it was scary...
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Post by plutronus on Dec 18, 2012 14:57:40 GMT -6
Ok, but was that considered "telepathy" with what was going on at the ranch?I consider (at this point) that telepathy is "talking". I know, I know; that simplifies things. Regardless of "content", that twist you mentioned happens again and again. . . Hi JCurio,
While not a very accurate a representation of the many phenomenon that often transpired at the Sherman Ranch, the book, 'co-authored' (a strategy employed by Kelleher to protect his professional reputation, IMO) by Colm Kelleher and Knapp, "The Hunt for the SkinWalker", is one source for a bit of what was transpiring there. Robert Bigelow bought the ranch as I recall, for $225,000 from the new owner, Sherman who moved his family out, to protect them from the luminous-orb attacks on their persons while they were sleeping. The family would awaken from the night's rest to find that their sheets were soaked with their blood, caused by the hundreds of little paper-cut like skin abrasions sustained through the sheets, only the sheets were not cut. A camera was setup employing an IR motion detection gate, luminous-orbs, entered their sleeping quarter (initially sleeping in individual quarters, later all sleeping in one room), changing color to red and then zipping around the room, disappearing through the bed coverings, night after night, until they were driven out. Sherman, after owning the ranch for only a few months, finally moved his family out, put the property up for-sale. Bigelow purchased the ranch for about 1/2 of what Sherman paid. The property had a bad reputation of running off all of the prior owners, it had a bad paranormal reputation. Bigelow doesn't give a hoot about paranormal, but it seems that paranormal exhbitions is often an alien technology signature and so he investigates it.
Through my direct contact with ET, (at that time studying and interacting with luminous-orbs via my in-home and field experiments) I was 'informed' that 'ET did not like' the NIDS scientists that had taken residence at the ranch to study ET and their behaviors. ET had begun to subside their activities on the ranch as result. This was the period where I was invited to visit NIDS.
However, to answer your specific question JCurio...to summarize, the ranch at various times was a bit similar to that scene in the movie 'Poltergeist', where dad opens the door to his daughter's room, to show the skeptical paranormal investigators, inside there were things floating about in a vortex like swirl, only this was taking place inside the ranch house, out in the corral, inside a shipping container (where they found the mutilated steer), and then toss in the big black triangles, super-sized abnormally shaped wolves, flying-saucers, shadow-people (imaged by TV cameras) emerging from portals, refrigerator sized box ET mecha, red-eyed ET, luminous-orbs, iris-like diaphraming portals consuming dogs, discs, and all manners of strange paranormal el-creepos. And then it all stopped as though a light-switch was flipped off. The last that I heard (in Jan 2012) Mr. Bigelow still retains possession of the ranch, but presently the ET/paranormal activity remains dormant. NIDS was disbanded sometime around 2005?
Another (good) source of ranch activity information, is via the Coast-2-Coast show audio archives (requires paid membership these days). Search for the Colm Kelleher/Eric Davis interviews. They are interesting and informative. I promise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 20:44:47 GMT -6
I have no doubts about communication through telepathy as I know it exists . The night that entity was in my face it spoke clear and precise. In an attempt to somehow describe what I could hear coming from it the well spoken English language seemed to come from it's mind into mine. Our eyes and concentration were locked into the same frequency.
When you think how bizarre they look and how upset you are and are thinking to yourself and expressing to them how much you will hunt them down and hurt them if they mess with your family they can clearly hear what you're thinking .
It's voice had a deeper tone to it than what I hear with that internal voice when thinking to myself. There is an extremely high amount of intelligence these beings possess. I agree with Lorelei when she says it's difficult to explain. They can take all of your life's past memories and upload it from you in just a few seconds.
I believe because of observations I made during the encounter that they can telepathically talk to you and cut off that communication and continue to communicate with one another. This appears to me that they can control what is being said to whom so that there is privacy among themselves instead of just an open for all access with no privacy.
I can't express how shocked I was to not only see these things in my house up close but also to hear something speaking without moving it's lips and clearly hear what it was thinking. That was a shock within itself. I had no idea at this time when this happened what telepathy was or didn't know hardly anything about these creatures. Levitation is another shocker. These things are capable of stuff that we find impossible and we haven't even seen nothing yet I have the feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 22:07:59 GMT -6
I've had telepathic messages as clear and precise as someone speaking. Mine have always been from someone not in the same location as I am. When I was abducted they never tried to communicate or if they did..my younger self was way to upset to chat
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 19, 2012 22:03:33 GMT -6
Very informative and interesting topic. I enjoyed the comments made here and am currently in the middle of the book. I will weigh in when finished, sometime tomorrow.
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Post by paulette on Dec 19, 2012 23:06:06 GMT -6
It just occurred to me. I have never "heard" one word - except in dreams about UFOs. In my memories of weird events, I might be lured outside as a child to take care of my pony but I never remembered anyone "calling me" or "talking to me." I talked to THEM - the night they (maybe came) in Texas but I remember no dialogue. I do think they "heard me" in that they came and landed AND KNOCKED ME OUT when I was terrified. Interesting. (to me)
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Post by lois on Dec 19, 2012 23:59:26 GMT -6
It just occurred to me. I have never "heard" one word - except in dreams about UFOs. In my memories of weird events, I might be lured outside as a child to take care of my pony but I never remembered anyone "calling me" or "talking to me." I talked to THEM - the night they (maybe came) in Texas but I remember no dialogue. I do think they "heard me" in that they came and landed AND KNOCKED ME OUT when I was terrified. Interesting. (to me) Paulette. this reminds me of how my parents found me out side our home in the middle of the night. Once I remember when my Mother came up behind me and ask what I was doing. I remember saying look at the stars. I was only four years old. Don't remember anything else that night. Another time they found me a block away in the middle of the night. I told them I was waiting for someone. Don't ask me. I just remembered what I told them . This really gets strange as in the morning very early I heard my way older sister telling my Mother.. She could not of gotten out as I locked the door when I came in. Never made since. Not until much later when I was told. How did I get out there? Go through a wall.? I was so small and could not reach the locks. They keep the screen hook fasten up high on the doorway. My sister was talking about the inter door I believe. I only remember my Mother coming up next to me. I must of been in some kind of trance. My first sighting was a four years old up close. So this could be a alien event. Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 11:47:39 GMT -6
Hi Plutronus ;D I have the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker", and like others, expected a second book to come out eventually. Thanks for explaining why that won't happen . If I remember correctly, the book didn't mention anything about all the small cuts the family received at night . For some reason, I thought the family was more-or-less untouched, except by all the strange stuff they saw and heard. oh man. Knowing this "new" detail makes me wonder if anything followed the family wherever they moved? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 14:33:23 GMT -6
I've never heard 'aliens' telepathically either Paulette..I do know they have heard me..I think they may have intercepted childhood prayers but the telepathic contact I receive is from my guides or angels. I've prayed for protection for years..maybe that's why
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 20, 2012 18:34:38 GMT -6
not trying to throw a wrench in your beliefs by saying this but perhaps your praying for protection from them (and them hearing this) makes them realize you still aren't ready to "deal" with them so that tip toe around you? Just a thought... I personally hear via telepathy from guides, Source, my children, my sibling, my husband, and aliens. As the scientist in the book says, it really is just a muscle that needs exercised. Anyone can use it. I use mine often and for many purposes. I've always known we can do this,and yes, possibly due to my experiences with the aliens, so it is nothing of huge significance to me, since it is "normal". Come to think of it, I don't believe I even found it to be significant in my first total recall of being with the aliens and they communicated in this manner to calm me! Like I already knew then .... I found the bulk of this book to be boring probably for that reason, it isn't anything "new" to me, so my go to in the book was what these conversations all had in common. Which also is nothing new, but I find it more interesting personally than the telepathy itself.
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 20, 2012 19:16:14 GMT -6
And Paulette, it could be that you just don't remember the communication since you aren't sure what really occurred it seems that it is blocked. Perhaps if you underwent hypnosis you could know better whether they communicated with you or not via telepathy. Also, just on a side note, telepathy works in many ways it isn't exclusive to words per se , it can be relayed in symbols or images as well...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 21:03:25 GMT -6
I sure hope they intercept and realize I want not a thing to do with them...I had enough the two times I did. My memories are not happy ones concerning them. I pray for protection for my family from ANY evil. And especially after the NDE when my heart decided to bail..I know we continue. I believe too..that there are other entities that 'pretend' to be more benign than they are. I've run into those too. I don't think it's a matter of belief...as it is of faith. I'm not religious by any means..but I am intensely spiritual.
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Post by paulette on Dec 21, 2012 23:51:56 GMT -6
CitizenK. Thanks for the dialogue. I was hypnotized but could not break through. The woman working with me was not experienced in dealing with alien blocks (if such a thing exists). I have heard words from dead people I love and even received verbal advice in my mind that was not from anyone I "knew". In both cases the advice was timely and helped me deal with a difficult situation that was unfolding quickly. Just not any of the situations that seem to be with Visitors. I'm not saying they didn't call me. They just didn't use words.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 2:04:14 GMT -6
It amazes me even to this day how similar Cliff's experience with the grays was to mine...
The main difference is that the "voice" Cliff "heard" he says was a very deep sounding old voice...
The "voice" I "heard" in my head was a very young and high pitched male sounding voice- like maybe a 17 year old boy's voice...
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