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Jul 12, 2012 11:46:23 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Jul 12, 2012 11:46:23 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/cia-responds-ex-official%E2%80%99s-roswell-happened-claim-not-true CIA Finally Responds to Veteran's Roswell Claims!By Dirk Vander Ploeg By Matthew Alford, PhD After a tense wait, the CIA has finally stated its position on the explosive "Roswell Happened" comments made by their former Entertainment Liaison Officer Chase Brandon. Jennifer Youngblood of the Agency's Office of Public Affairs said that official historians have checked their files but "found nothing in the Agency's holdings to corroborate Mr. Brandon's specific claims." Brandon ignited an ongoing media furore following his appearance on Coast to Coast AM on June 23 of this year when he announced that he had seen evidence in a box marked 'Roswell' at the CIA's Historical Intelligence Collection (HIC) which confirmed "100%" his belief that the government had recovered an extraterrestrial craft and its occupants near Roswell, New Mexico in July of 1947. The CIA was responding by email to a detailed series of questions sent by a group of British and Canadian researchers: Robbie Graham, doctoral candidate at the University of Bristol and editor of silverscreensaucers.blogspot.com, Matthew Alford, Grant Cameron, and Victor Viggiani. The group's email requested information about Brandon, specifically: his current relationship with the CIA; the possibility of researchers checking his claims; the vetting of his comments by the Publications Review Board, and whether his utterances disclosed classified information in any way. Robbie Graham commented: "The CIA have done exactly what we expected they would do. They've refused to address our questions and they've brushed aside Brandon's claims without directly calling him a liar." He added: "It's interesting that they say they actually checked their archives for the 'Roswell box' Brandon described -- that must have been a weird library trip." CONTINUE READING: www.ufodigest.com/article/cia-responds-ex-official%E2%80%99s-roswell-happened-claim-not-true
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Jul 12, 2012 19:55:30 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Jul 12, 2012 19:55:30 GMT -6
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Aug 6, 2012 14:11:41 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Aug 6, 2012 14:11:41 GMT -6
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html?icid=maing-grid7Lee Speigel lee.speigel@huffingtonpost.com Roswell UFO Crash: There Were 2 Crashes, Not 1, Says Ex-Air Force OfficialPosted: 08/06/2012 The 1947 UFO controversy of Roswell, N.M. is like a bad penny: It keeps turning up. The legend, rehashed by conspiracy theorists in countless documentaries, revolves around allegations that an unusual object fell from the sky -- an object so bizarre that the U.S. Air Force issued a press release that a flying saucer had crashed. That story was quickly recanted, creating what would become one of the greatest urban legends in American history. Until now, most debunkers doubted that there was even one crash. Now, in an exclusive interview, retired Air Force Lt. Col. Richard French told The Huffington Post that there were actually two crashes. This revelation is especially remarkable considering that French was known in the past to debunk UFO stories. roswellheadline "There were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know," French told HuffPost. "The first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane that was flying out of White Sands, N.M., and it shot what was effectively an electronic pulse-type weapon that disabled and took away all the controls of the UFO, and that's why it crashed." French -- an Air Force pilot who was in Alamagordo, N.M., in 1947, being tested in an altitude chamber, an annual requirement for rated officers -- was very specific in how the military allegedly brought down what he believes was a spacecraft from another world. "When they hit it with that electromagnetic pulse -- bingo! -- there goes all their electronics and, consequently, the UFO was uncontrollable," said French, who flew hundreds of combat missions in Korea and Southeast Asia, and who held several positions working for Military Intelligence. Another retired officer doubts French's story. "No chance! Zero chance!" said Army Col. John Alexander, whose own top-secret clearance gave him access in the 1980s to official documents and UFO accounts. He created a top-level group of government officials and scientists who determined that, while UFOs are real, they couldn't find evidence of an official cover-up. "In the 1980s, I was the guy developing all of the pulse-power weapons systems. We couldn't have done it then. In the 60s, they had a laser system, but your range was extremely limited, and we didn't have operational laser weapons in that time frame," said Alexander, who is working to get amnesty for military personnel who wish to talk about their UFO experiences. Except for the initial newspaper headline declaring the military had captured a flying saucer outside of Roswell, the Air Force closed the books on Roswell, claiming that the true identity of the object was a high-altitude surveillance balloon, code-named "Mogul." But after eyewitnesses -- including numerous military personnel -- began to tell stories of their participation in an alleged cover-up of the Roswell incident, some researchers insisted that it was, in fact, an alien ship that crashed at Roswell. SEE VIDEOS & CONTINUE READING: www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/roswell-ufo-crash_n_1715663.html?icid=maing-grid7
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Sept 10, 2012 19:51:22 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 10, 2012 19:51:22 GMT -6
But in the movie when the son is grown up he keeps trying to get his dad to stop wasting his time looking for answers...it's like he no longer believed it had really happened. that's why I said he seemed to be a skeptic. Of course we all know how accurate movies are don't we. I remember Steve said he once talked to Jesse Marcel Jr and he told him about the pieces of metal that he had held in his hand. He didn't sound like a skeptic then. Maybe they just did that for the movie. I think his son wanted his Father to let it go as he was not a well man. I think his son always believed what he held was from another world. He still talks about those I beams to this day. That reunion they had... he was only ridiculed to death. His son Jessie thought what was the use going into it now. I'm glad Jessie yelled loud and clear to let the public know. Stanton looked him up at the end of his life but who was the one who got it out to the media. Jessie was seen on about every documentary on TV. I taped them all.
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Sept 10, 2012 20:29:09 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 20:29:09 GMT -6
I remember Steve said he once talked to Jesse Marcel Jr and he told him about the pieces of metal that he had held in his hand. He didn't sound like a skeptic then. Maybe they just did that for the movie. It is for this reason especially that causes me to believe that this incident happened and was being covered up. If I remember correctly, Steve spoke with Jesse and Jesse said that the items were not a weather balloon or something to that effect. Because of the mass sightings around the area at that time I think the microwave dish at Los Alamos caused interruptions with these craft and caused them to malfunction. It's only speculation, but it makes sense Imo.
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Sept 28, 2012 12:45:15 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Sept 28, 2012 12:45:15 GMT -6
kevinrandle.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-nuns-story-roswell-edition.htmlThursday, September 27, 2012 The Nuns Story - Roswell Edition[/color] Posted by KRandle It has been a matter of controversy, only on this blog, as one of the critics has demanded information about a footnote in The Truth about the UFO Crash at Roswell. I believe he suspected some deceit on my part, and I have refused to bow to his demand to answer his questions simply because I didn’t care for the tone of his comments on the blog, not to mention that I had supplied most of that information to him in the past. I had planned to hold off on this until we were ready to publish all our results, but that doesn’t seem to be close at hand, so, I decided to explain this here and now and address it in a footnote later, if we publish. The offending paragraph, on page four of the hardback is, “In Roswell proper at Saint Mary’s Hospital, Franciscan Catholic nuns Mother Superior Mary Bernadette and Sister Capistrano making routine night observations, saw a brilliant light plunge to earth, due north of their location. They believed it was a disabled aircraft of some kind and recorded the passage in their logbook. The entry noted the sighting was late on the night of July 4, between 11:00 and 11:30 p.m.” The footnote said, “Records held by the Franciscan Catholic nuns,” which, by the way, isn’t overly helpful. So, what do I know now? The information originated with Bill English, who had come to see a lecture by Don Schmitt and me in Alamogordo in the early 1990s. He approached Don after the lecture and told him about a nun, Sister Day, who was over in Roswell. He said that she had seen the diaries of the nuns mentioned above and gave him the information which he passed along to us. English, it seems, was a former Special Forces officer or so he claimed, and seemed to be a reliable source. We were in Roswell the next day, or maybe a day later, and had a chance to chase this down. Sister Day was quite candid about what she had seen, and since information about the Roswell case was now being widely circulated, she remembered the entry quite well. She said that she had seen it herself, had told English about it, but that the diaries were no longer housed in Roswell. We’d have to follow the trail from there. Since Don is Catholic, it seemed natural for him to follow up on this. He learned that the diaries have been sent to Oklahoma, and was in communication with church officials there in an attempt to find the right diaries. He talked to someone who said these records were in disarray. I believed that at some point the entry had been corroborated by church leaders, but neither Don nor I, had not seen it. Using the information we had, based on what we had been told, I wrote the offending paragraph, but in the manuscript, the footnote is actually a little longer. Originally it said, “Records held by the Franciscan Catholic nuns as viewed by Sister Day.” Somehow that last bit was left out of the book… and yes, I had a chance to review the page proofs and didn’t catch the deletion. Here’s what I know now. The records we want were sent from Oklahoma to Wisconsin, but we learned that they only went back to 1960. Where the diaries from 1947 are is, at the moment, the question that I can’t answer. We’re still trying to get that information. CONTINUE READING: kevinrandle.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-nuns-story-roswell-edition.html
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Sept 28, 2012 16:51:00 GMT -6
Post by swamprat on Sept 28, 2012 16:51:00 GMT -6
Ah, the frustrations of the UFOLOGY news reporter/investigator! ;D The Sarasota Herald-Tribune
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Riding the Hubbell UFO roller coasterThursday, September 27, 2012 by Billy Cox Over the summer, with the Chase Brandon/CIA/Roswell controversy percolating in the blogosphere, De Void made the dutiful doomed queries to the filtration systems for Bill Clinton and former White House chief of staff John Podesta, given their longstanding interest in The Great Taboo. They ignored De Void, no surprise there, they always do. But here’s what was surprising — former Clinton associate attorney general Webster Hubbell actually wrote back. Check out this verbatim email exchange:"Clinton had said, 'If I put you over at Justice, I want you to find the answers to two questions for me. One, who killed JFK. And two, are there UFOs?' ... Clinton was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting." -- Webster Hubbell, 1997/CREDIT: goodreads.com To Webb Hubbell 8/15/12 9:42 AM: Dear Mr. Hubbell: In [1997 autobiography] “Friends in High Places,” you assert that President Clinton sent you on a fishing expedition to get to the truth behind UFOs, and you came up empty-handed. But this summer, prominent and recently retired CIA agent Chase Brandon is going public with his claims of having seen the sort of information you were looking for in the Agency’s Historical Intelligence Center archives. Brandon says he found Roswell material inside a box, during the 1990s, that convinced him a UFO and bodies were, in fact, recovered in 1947. He also said in a radio show last night that several colleagues saw the material as well. Brandon’s credentials are impeccable. A couple of questions: 1) Where did you look for UFO data, and 2) if you had this information when your team was in office, what would you do with it? Thanks in advance, and regards, Billy Cox -30- Then, suddenly, just a few hours later, without warning… To Billy Cox 8/15/12 12:14 PM: Thanks for your inquiry. All of your questions will be answered. Webb -30- Nostalgia flashback to Fred Sanford clutching his heart: “Oh! This is the big one, Lamont! Oh, Elizabeth, I’m comin’ to join ya, honey!” The world spins crazily, vertigo, grab the bannister, calm down, be cool. Don’t press. Don’t blow it. Weeks pass. Hmm. To Webb Hubbell 8/30/12 10:41 AM: Having second thoughts? -30- To Billy Cox 8/30/12 11:57 AM: No. -30- OK. He’s pulling it all together. Consulting his notes. Refreshing his memory. These things take time. Weeks pass. No money. Maybe it wasn’t really Hubbell. Maybe someone screening his email was doing an impersonation. To Webb Hubbell 9/24/12 10:21 AM: This isn’t really THE Webb Hubbell, is it? -30- To Billy Cox 9/24/12 10:59 AM: I only know one. -30- OK. Well. Er. Ah. Ahem. To Webb Hubbell 9/24/12 11:19 AM: Then I’m assuming the use of the passive voice in the 8/15 correspondence, i.e., the lack of the first-person singular, was an intentional hedge. I suspect you know how important this issue is. Are you struggling with this? Again, I appreciate your consideration. -30- Days pass. Don’t blow this, man. Be cool. Tension building. Ticktickticktick …. To Webb Hubbell 9/26/12 9:57 AM: Perhaps we could chat on background, then? -30- To Billy Cox, 9/26/12, 10:34 AM: I have an absolute rule with the media. I never talk on background or off the record. Webb -30- “It’s the BIG one, Lamont! ‘Lizabeth! ‘Lizabeth!” To Webb Hubbell, 9/26/12, 10:49 a.m.: Can you tell me about your fact-finding efforts to resolve the UFO conundrum for President Clinton? How and when did the subject initially come up? With whom did you consult – agencies, contacts? What did you discover, where did that effort fall short, how much time did you invest in your investigation? Was it a solo project or did you have staffers working with you? Did you work with [Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy] John Gibbons, or around him? How seriously did the White House take [billionaire philanthropist] Laurance Rockefeller’s initiative? Was he successful in his efforts to personally bring this issue to the attention of the Clintons? Were you satisfied with the access you were afforded? Obviously I’ve got a lot of questions, sorry. -30- Silence. What’s that smell? One day later: To Webb Hubbell, 9/27/12, 9:30 AM: Perhaps you didn’t make these efforts, as you stated in your book? -30- To Billy Cox, 9/27/12, 10:34 AM: I think I made myself clear. No interviews, and that the answers to all your questions will be revealed. Have a good day. -30- Blink? Blink-blink-blink? To Webb Hubbell, 9/27/12, 11:12 AM: Then I think what you meant to say on 9/26 was that you “never talk on background or ON the record.” Got it. Well, if you could just give me a heads-up on when the answers to my questions will be revealed, I’d appreciate that. Thanks. -30- You can’t quit reading De Void now. The answers to all my questions will be revealed. devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13291/riding-the-hubbell-ufo-roller-coaster/?tc=ar
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Nov 17, 2012 15:03:08 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Nov 17, 2012 15:03:08 GMT -6
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread900330/pg1Roswell crash photos leaked? 17-11-2012 by The X We are all well versed in the events surrounding the roswell crash and suspected retrieval of alien bodies and a extra terrestrial vehicle. These photos look to be incredibly "Real", has someone leaked the actual footage and photos of the roswell crash?. Has disclosure actually really begun to happen?, if this is not a government leak their denials will no longer do them any good if these photos are the real thing.
SEE PHOTOS & CONTINUE READING: www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread900330/pg1[/size]
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Nov 19, 2012 10:17:11 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Nov 19, 2012 10:17:11 GMT -6
Supposedly the photos of the aliens are from an old X-files episode. Atleast that is what the skeptics are saying. I'm still trying to find out if that is true.
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Nov 19, 2012 11:49:35 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 11:49:35 GMT -6
Sorry guys...I am pretty sure I remember the x files those were on..Fox was poking his nose around and ran across it. I sure wish hoaxers would back off this stuff
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Nov 19, 2012 15:15:47 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Nov 19, 2012 15:15:47 GMT -6
Sorry guys...I am pretty sure I remember the x files those were on..Fox was poking his nose around and ran across it. I sure wish hoaxers would back off this stuff IDK... i have NETFLIX streamed thru my tv and the X-FILES is one of the programs i watch... from the first show to the last .... they don't look familiar to me from X-FILES....... any chance you remember the title of the show?
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Nov 19, 2012 18:54:40 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Nov 19, 2012 18:54:40 GMT -6
I have all the X-Files episodes on DVD and I just happen to carry them around with me in the truck. I do remember a scene that had alien bodies lying on tables like that but I'm not sure those are the same alien bodies. If the photos really are from the show I will soon find out.
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Nov 19, 2012 21:30:18 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 21:30:18 GMT -6
and. . look closely at the third picture. The guys in uniform around a tent? I'm no expert, but that is a real picture, but originally there wasn't THAT in the tent. That object has been added.
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Nov 20, 2012 1:48:08 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 1:48:08 GMT -6
Well I do know hoaxers and the very determined will do about anything to show bodies at Roswell..including faking them (like the alien autopsy that had everyone so excited). What difference it would make..I'll never know..the government is never going to own up to it..and why would they?? It would just make them look like fools for covering it up in the first place.
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Dec 9, 2012 14:12:44 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Dec 9, 2012 14:12:44 GMT -6
bragalia.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/roswell-officer-speaks-from-grave-taped.htmlThursday, December 6, 2012 ROSWELL OFFICER SPEAKS FROM THE GRAVE: TAPED CONFESSION OF ET RECOVERY REVEALED “It was a relatively small body…it was pretty well beat up.” A Lieutenant Colonel and Press Officer at Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) in 1947 left a testament to the reality of fallen ET in a rare audio recording that was meant to be heard after his death. A portion of it is revealed here publicly for the first time. It is in this taped message that Walter Haut (a decorated bombardier and Purple Heart recipient) first openly acknowledged his personal witness to an alien-piloted craft found on the desert floor in New Mexico. And people who knew Walter well have now come forward about what he had said about the matter very early on- and why he did not release all of this information until the winter of his life. Walter would of course go on to sign a notarized declaration in December, 2002 of his full knowledge of the Roswell incident as a piloted, extraterrestrial event. This was famously reported in mainstream media based on the publication of the bestseller Witness to Roswell and the work of the book’s authors Tom Carey and Don Schmitt. But it was four years before this in 1999 that Walter Haut had admitted for the first time to someone outside of a small circle what he knew about the entirety of the Roswell event. And he allowed it to be recorded. Like the notarized affidavit, Walter did not wish this 1999 recorded confession released until some point after his death, which occurred in 2005 at age 83. This enabled him to honor his oath during his life to the ultimate secret: the recovery and retrieval of beings not from earth. CONTINUE READING: bragalia.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/roswell-officer-speaks-from-grave-taped.html
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Jan 20, 2013 13:16:08 GMT -6
Post by auntym on Jan 20, 2013 13:16:08 GMT -6
Sunday, January 20, 2013
Kevin Randle & Phil Klass Debate The Roswell UFO Crash on Larry King Live
Uploaded on Feb 5, 2012
Date of Broadcast: June 28, 1997 Title: Roswell Revisited Source: VHS Recording
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Jan 20, 2013 17:25:52 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:25:52 GMT -6
Rosewell is just getting old. We won't ever know all of the story...and as for Haut's role..he was too wishy-washy to make a credible witness..at first denying anything then making other statements..then denying..first he states he received calls from Washington to shut up...then that he didn't..so..who knows. I'm sure the crash happened (in my own mind) and I am sure they recovered dibris..I'm not so sure about bodies...the wreckage was apparently pretty torn up. It's just so darn irritating that people can't just NOT sensationalize everything. It would have been plenty of news for a ship to have crashed..without bodies being found. At the time..I understand why they didn't want to release anythigng to the public..Orson Wells showed what would happen and I'm afraid it still would. Just because we wouldn't have trouble accepting it..doesn't mean others would be that 'open'. Too many evil aliens on tv and movies..too many stories twisted. home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Haut.htmen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Haut
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Jan 20, 2013 21:21:37 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 20, 2013 21:21:37 GMT -6
I have been over this a million times and still not quite sure what happen at Roswell . I do believe Jessie's story. That it was some kind of material unknown to him.
There was someone else. Wish I could remember his name. He told his wife he had witnessed the aliens line up in coffins. He told her when he was dying. She is second hand witness but I always believed her. A gut feeling. The rest of it, I'm not so sure. Yes I would of loved to believe the nurse was real. Too much doubt there now. .
They say your first words are usually true ones and all that follows is lies. This may be the case here. If our government has the ship fine.
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Jan 20, 2013 21:30:31 GMT -6
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How the Military Debunked the Saucers After RoswellCopyright 2001 by David Rudiak www.roswellproof.com/militarydebunk.html"Reports of flying saucers whizzing through the sky fell off sharply today as the Army and Navy began a concentrated campaign to stop the rumors." So began the July 9, 1947, United Press article on the Roswell incident, the day after the infamous Roswell air base flying disk press release. This was followed quickly by Gen. Ramey's debunking of it as a recovered weather balloon and radar target. Similarly, International News Service (INS) reported in their Roswell stories on July 9: "Reports of the saucers fell off sharply as the Army and Navy began a concentrated campaign to stop the rumors." (link) "Reports of 'flying discs' diminished sharply tonight throughout the nation as each new discovery blew up in the face of army and navy investigation." (link) And finally, Scripps-Howard newspapers reported the following on July 13 in a column originating out of Washington D.C.: "Army Playing Saucer Joke? Don't laugh too hard at those flying disc stories. There's considerable evidence of [an] organized Army campaign to make you laugh. And not all that's known on them has been printed." Clearly the military was running a debunking campaign against the saucers and making no secret of it. Although many are familiar with the photos of the balloon and radar target in Gen. Ramey's office at Fort Worth, Texas, few are aware of other military-related demonstrations that followed immediately afterward. Weather balloons and assorted paraphernalia, particularly radar targets, were trotted out as the explanation for the nationwide flying saucer reports. In retrospect, these demonstrations were clearly part of the "concentrated campaign to stop the rumors" and the "organized Army campaign to make you laugh." Ramey's balloon debunkery was the opening salvo in this public relations onslaught of ridicule. Continue Reading : www.roswellproof.com/militarydebunk.html
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Jan 20, 2013 22:14:43 GMT -6
Post by lois on Jan 20, 2013 22:14:43 GMT -6
This seems to be all I could find on Captain Henderson . He flew the wreckage to Texas. 20 seconds into the tape his wife tells his death confession. I don't see any of my old tapes with her on u tube. I always believed this woman. A gut feeling.
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Jan 21, 2013 12:56:05 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 12:56:05 GMT -6
yeah, those guys with their picture taken with the weather baloon, they always have looked to me like they are containing their laughter. Holding up the telegraph and all. But back then, it seems that no one acted emotionally in-between. They either acted like it was some huge joke, or acted so serious that it didn't appear "natural". And now, people are making sightings sound so "matter-of fact" that a part of me will complain about that, too . I do think that "Roswell" Was an event of national security. Can you imagine if the PTB tried to have gun control then?? One more thing I want to note. The very first time I got on the internet and looked up ufos, there were quite a few active "forums". I read some of the stories. The stories I read were from young enlisted men who were scared.
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Jan 23, 2013 19:28:59 GMT -6
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UFO DIGEST Controversy Over The Guy Hottel FBI Memo
By Doc Vega - 5 days 5 hours ago It seems that a certain FBI document generated some bitter debate over its authenticity, a couple of years back, after a huge disclosure of UFO material in 2010. Historic details of the FBI's exhaustively recorded files on some of the most famous investigations in US history were disclosed. One particular declassified FBI document pertaining to UFO's beginning in 1947, generated some heated debate. So, I'd like to elaborate further. In December, after the FBI released a vault of previously secret files that had not seen the light of day in decades, a plethora of material was made public. It is hard for me to comprehend how documents generated by the FBI solely intended for interdepartmental use could have been altered or compromised in any way shape or form while in the possession of said entity. Either these documents were within the security of the agency or not. I'd have to assume they were. I have read many of the memorandums. They not only appear to be legitimate, but poorly copied, not given a great deal of priority (routine), and very dated in terms of the existing technology of the time. Never the less, they are extraordinarily historic. The Guy Hottle, memorandum seemed at the top of the list at that time for argument. It was based upon a teletyped message that was received from Roswell Army Airfield stating that a disk had been recovered by the 509th Bomb group. Hottle, SAC (Special Agent in Charge) apparently relayed this news from his office in Washington 22, March 1950 to the desk of J. Edgar Hoover saying that 3 disks had been captured by the Air Force and that each contained 3 alien bodies. Does this seem sensational, yes. Does this appear to substantiate evidence that supports a massive military cover up of an extraterrestrial crash, yes. Could this memo be faked? Well, this is where the contention and source of irritation originate from. Apparently certain individuals are too paranoid of being blindsided or discredited. They would also like to discredit anyone whose opinion and findings disagree with theirs. So, I'd like to take this opportunity to elaborate on my belief concerning the aforementioned evidence. Continue Reading :www.ufodigest.com/article/controversy-over-guy-hottle-fbi-memo
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Jan 23, 2013 19:56:14 GMT -6
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For the past couple of years I have looked through this case and the ufo related files disclosed from the FBI'S Vault. I have also looked into other people's findings surrounding the legitimacy concerning where Mr. Hottel obtained his information.
There are many indications that he may have been misled. I want to throw out as much about this at every angle to see if anything can be found or resolved. Trying to make sense of it is in itself a mess because there are people who deliberately created a hoax and then others who were part of the he said she said hand me down info that only complicates the matter further.
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Jan 23, 2013 20:04:18 GMT -6
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Here is the document released from the FBI Vault : Attachments:
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International Business TimesFBI Hottel Memo Reveals UFO Hoax BY Jesse Emspak | April 11 2011 10:21 AM
Several news organizations were taken in by a Federal Bureau of Investigation memo that "proves" aliens landed at Roswell, New Mexico. The infamous Hottel memo was posted on several sites, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation's vault. It was touted as newly revealed this week. The memo supposedly confirms that alien ships landed in the U.S. in the late 1940s and the information was covered up. But in fact the infamous memo has been making the rounds for several years. (It was never classified). The vault is simply a newer system put in place by the FBI over the past week to make accessing documents easier. The memo describes what was told to an FBI agent, Guy Hottel, who was the special agent in charge of the Washington field office. It describes an air force investigator who described finding a crashed craft in New Mexico, and also said that alien bodies were found in it. Hottel only reports what the unnamed informant says, not what his own conclusions are. The informant says that the craft was disabled by high powered radar in the area. Not only is the information not first-hand and far removed from New Mexico, it is connected to a 60-year-old hoax that resulted in a conviction for fraud. Continue Reading :www.ibtimes.com/fbi-hottel-memo-reveals-ufo-hoax-279533
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Jan 23, 2013 21:58:04 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 21:58:04 GMT -6
There is tons of information in the FBI Vault regarding flying discs, crashed discs, and nuclear facilities having sightings and other strange phenomena happening during this time frame. Here's some for example and continue to scroll down until you reach the ones that are not shaded in black to see better : vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%201%20of%2016/viewHere is the FBI Vault in it's entirety : vault.fbi.gov/There's a lot of interesting info in there. Where it says 'search' just type in 'ufo's' or 'crashed saucers'.
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Jan 24, 2013 2:26:20 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 2:26:20 GMT -6
You are a really good reasearcher Cliff..
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Roswell
Jan 24, 2013 12:47:39 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Jan 24, 2013 12:47:39 GMT -6
International Business TimesFBI Hottel Memo Reveals UFO HoaxBY Jesse Emspak | April 11 2011 10:21 AMSeveral news organizations were taken in by a Federal Bureau of Investigation memo that "proves" aliens landed at Roswell, New Mexico. The infamous Hottel memo was posted on several sites, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation's vault. It was touted as newly revealed this week. The memo supposedly confirms that alien ships landed in the U.S. in the late 1940s and the information was covered up. But in fact the infamous memo has been making the rounds for several years. (It was never classified). The vault is simply a newer system put in place by the FBI over the past week to make accessing documents easier. The memo describes what was told to an FBI agent, Guy Hottel, who was the special agent in charge of the Washington field office. It describes an air force investigator who described finding a crashed craft in New Mexico, and also said that alien bodies were found in it. Hottel only reports what the unnamed informant says, not what his own conclusions are. The informant says that the craft was disabled by high powered radar in the area.Not only is the information not first-hand and far removed from New Mexico, it is connected to a 60-year-old hoax that resulted in a conviction for fraud. Continue Reading :www.ibtimes.com/fbi-hottel-memo-reveals-ufo-hoax-279533 Hi Cliff, and All,
I've not read anything regarding the Hottel matter. However, one consistant attribute I've noticed regarding ET subjects, there always seems to be a big stinky cloud of BS surrounding authentic ET information. This Hottel matter, on first glance seems to fit that signature.
Regarding the "informant's" statement about the RADAR matter, well, this is interesting, for I came to the same conclusion via an entirely different route, and, I wasn't studying Roswell when I made that deduction.
The Roswell craft might have been 'shot-down' accidentally by its having navigated through a MASER beam, was exactly my deduction, but from a strictly technical perspective. And, there is other reliable technical information, that is presented by a private NIDS (Robert Bigelow) NEETS publication, a copy of which was given to me by NIDS staff physicist, Eric Davis when I was invited to visit NIDS in 2001, by the secret NIDS science board director (I'm under NDA). The book information, suggests, via East German Military RADAR data-sets, that ET objects, especially Grey discs, are fully cognizant of high-power RADAR stations, today. They avoid getting too close to the RADAR transmitters. The most high-power RADAR transmitters in existence, are those that are military. It is these RADARs ET objects exhibit consistent navigational reluctance to proximally operate around.
I was researching remote-sensing subjects for my book "Instrumentation Strategies for the Detection and Measurement of ExtraTerrestrial Objects", (which was privately published and distributed), I was studying an offshoot of the subject (I'm interested in all aspects of electronics, so its easy for me to become a bit side tracked, which I had become in this instance. I mean, what does microwave oscillators have to do with UFOs?) After the war coherent microwave signal generation was new science and the new RADAR physics was being tested in developmental RADAR transmitter systems. So there I was reading up on traveling-wave-tubes (a kind of microwave oscillator commonly used in RADARs at various times) and I had followed a few links around the 'Net, eventually leading to a web page regarding the Rome-Phillips Laboratory. A microwave scientist/researcher had been developing these high-power microwave oscillator tubes there, and I learned that Phillips Labs had engineered one very powerful microwave transmitter system, it was the first of its kind for various reasons, and that they had tested it in 1947 using one of those tubes. But then, later, I remembered that the famous Roswell event had also transpired in 1947. It was just an interesting factoid. But I checked up on the Roswell subject, the dates, just on a hunch. It turned out, coincidentally, that the night of the Roswell delta-wing craft (was not a disc) crash, was July 3, 1947, the same night, around 10pm that the Rome-Phillips Laboratories' high-power MASER was being tested at a distance of about ten miles from Mac Brazel's ranch. Now that's a coincidence!!! The coherent beam (pre-LASER, but works via the same principle, another reason why LASERs were not alien technology as Corso claimed) the feed-horn antenna was pointed out over the Mac Brazel Ranch area.
And then there is this peculiar coincidence, in my opinion, that supposedly, the recovered crash 'asset' material was transported to Wright-Patterson Field, on the same day, in an adjacent building, the "Directed Energy Weapons Directorate" was created. Remember, this was in 1947, the idea of ray-guns was barely science fiction fodder in those days, let alone considered a technology for a future tactical weapon strategy.
Yep, that's a coincidence in my book and StarWars DEW makes a full circle.
Here's another bit of trivia that y'all might find interesting. Everyone, I suspect, knows of Bruce Maccabee. He's the retired scientist who also investigates ET sighting events. Well, the first time I became aware of Dr. Maccabee, and this was before I was doing ET studies, was back around 1991~92. I ran across mention of some military work that I had done, which was cited on the 'Net. In searching for related info on the subject, I vectored into a .mil domain, the US Naval Research Laboratory, Directed Energy Weapons website (the InterNet was not yet broken). It was there on that website that I first saw Dr. Bruce Maccabee's name. He was listed as a High-Power Optical Directed Energy Weapon physicist. His specialty was High-Power LASER DEWs. A tactical ray-gun developer.
Guided missiles, their aiming slew is slow and they also travel too slow to be an effective shoot-down strategy for ET craft. Considering LASERs, ET however can 'read' our intent which is an effective counter-measure in most instances, and can also read intent of an optical DEW operator, but ET systems don't seem to be able to sense an automated computer's intent, they are blind in these matters, so instead, ET shut-down everything electronic, as they don't seem to be able to out-run an optical DEW beam, which moves at light-speed.
Regarding Roswell, here's an interesting website, although, some of it seems to me to be ??questionable?? www.roswellufocrash.com/
Sorry about the length of this post.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:25:37 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 18:25:37 GMT -6
You are a really good researcher Cliff.. Thank you Jo ! I appreciate the compliment. I see you all as friends and mentors. I have learned so much from you all and others in this field but I feel I still have much to learn.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:41:36 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 18:41:36 GMT -6
Plutronus, You cleared up something that has been on my mind about all of this when you wrote this: PlutronusThat's good to know because this statement from the article I posted above said this : www.ibtimes.com/fbi-hottel-memo-reveals-ufo-hoax-279533I appreciate you verifying that it is possible that the microwave radar could have caused a malfunction. That answers some of the questions I have. I don't know much about MASER Beam technology except what I just read since you brought it up and that is fascinating yet kind of scary too. If it was an alien craft at either Roswell ,Aztec, or both that crashed, did the microwave radiation pulse cause the physical malfunction of the alleged crafts electronics or perhaps was it that the craft was psychologically controlled by advanced entities which when subjected to the microwaves it disrupted their thoughts which controlled it causing it to malfunction ? Just an interesting tidbit which I thought I would throw out there after briefly reviewing this technology and was wondering what your thoughts were on this . PlutronusThat is another coincidence , getting juicy for sure ! There is a document inside the vault which says the material was taken to Wright - Patterson. I didn't know about the other,hmmm. PlutronusThat's real juicy and quite a 'coincidence'. Thanks again !
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