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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 15, 2013 11:29:10 GMT -6
I was just wondering if other experiencers are kept awake at night with obsessive thoughts of what is happening to the planet? There was a similar question on a newer thread over the last days asking about experiencers/abductees being connected to animals -- it occurred to me to ask specifically if people go through what I do when I can't sleep and deal with images of destruction to the environment and harm to animals. I feel such a sense of urgency to do something. I do what I can on a personal and professional level, but the sense of hopelessness has at times made me feel like I can't go on, even though I'm not a person who sees suicide as an answer. Any feedback?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 12:04:08 GMT -6
I used to have that happen to me when I was a kid Dawn... and when I was a teenager. Not recently though although I do suffer from insomnia still...
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Post by paulette on Apr 15, 2013 12:18:49 GMT -6
I have a background angst that doesn't usually erupt into my dreams. I have a deep afinity for the oceans and their creatures and I think I and many people reverberate to the distress signals. There is a branch of human sciences called eco-psychology and in a book I read some years ago it suggested that as we ARE ALL CONNECTED on this planet, that whether we pay attention or not, the distress is still getting through to us. Hence IMO more violence and absorbing TV shows, more addictions to everything imaginable from food to gaming to shopping....We are all trying to block out the incoming messages. And yes Dawn, I think animals do broadcast - as do trees! It was discovered that trees and plants who are on the leading edge of an investation of insects somehow "know" and start producing bitter compounds BEFORE they start being munched. This is not a random event and has been substanciated with hard science. We hear it too - in our dreams, in low grade depressed or hopeless feelings. When my husband and I drive around on logging roads looking rocks, after a while I cannot bear the clear cuts anymore, and the birds wheeling overhead, looking for the tree they nested in last year. I start smelling the sap more and more strongly and it becomes witnessing a massacre. I'm not even particularly strong in my psi abilities (more empathic).
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 15, 2013 16:31:45 GMT -6
Thank you lorelei and paulette. I am so glad you know what I'm talking about. Well, you know I posted this message today. Well, I just walked in from going to the store and had to tell what happened.
I went to the store and was talking to the checker about my broken finger. As I came out of the store, the woman that had been behind me in line said she thought she could help me with my finger. I asked her if she was a spiritual healer and she said she was. She said, "Let's go over there where the trees are." She told me to put my back up against a tree and I was thinking, "This is so sweet that she wants to help. But I don't think anyone can help me in that way." Still, I cooperated because I respected her and I was touched that she would reach out to help someone she wasn't obviously connected to. She stood about 6 feet away from me as I stood against the tree and went "woosh" with her hands. I about fell down. Every goose bump on my body was hurting from standing up so hard. I've never felt anything like that before --- like an electrical current zapping right through me. It is a warm day here and I was just solid with goose bumps. Then she walked up and said, "This is about more than your finger. You have a blockage...right...there." And she touched me right where my really bad back injury happened. It was like being poked with a cattle prod. Then, after she stood back and made some more movements with her hands, she said, "I feel I need to tell you today that you have to stop feeling responsible for everything. There are going to be hard times coming. People like you need to be here to help, but you can't if you don't help yourself. " This woman knew nothing about me. She is the real deal. She didn't ask for anything, either. She just wanted to help. I thought it was so amazing that that happened after I had specifically asked for help for feeling plagued by visions of everything that is happening. And I thought it was interesting what she said, given that some people here feel that the aliens have been telling us the same things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 20:16:41 GMT -6
This is a subject that has kept me up many times. Here's one quote that I've come across which still numbs my mind at how destructive civilization can be:
"In the last twenty four hours, over 200,000 acres of rain forest were destroyed. Thirteen million tons of toxic chemicals were released. Forty-five thousand people died of starvation, thirty eight thousand of them children. More than one hundred plant or animal species have went extinct because of civilized humans. All of this in one day..."
I could rattle off statistics and numbers, but all it has given me is nightmares. As if I didn't understand it enough, the Dreamgiver has on many occasions illustrated these truths very vividly. I don't mean to be "Doom and Gloom", but this is how I feel. No body I know wants to hear it because deep down, they know. My therapy is a long walk barefooted in the woods. There is a place I go to see a certain tree and I talk to this tree. I have for a couple years now. To stand there on earth and not on concrete has helped me immensely. A man that I met once told me that I needed to do this and it would help me. And it has. Because of the things that I've seen (or shown by them), it has given me a deep longing that I didn't know I had. I came across an environmental writer and the first book I read of his tore me up badly. I knew that things were bad, but I didn't know how horrible it truly was. Then I started my own searching and well, I think that I'll stop there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 21:20:24 GMT -6
Thank you lorelei and paulette. I am so glad you know what I'm talking about. Well, you know I posted this message today. Well, I just walked in from going to the store and had to tell what happened. I went to the store and was talking to the checker about my broken finger. As I came out of the store, the woman that had been behind me in line said she thought she could help me with my finger. I asked her if she was a spiritual healer and she said she was. She said, "Let's go over there where the trees are." She told me to put my back up against a tree and I was thinking, "This is so sweet that she wants to help. But I don't think anyone can help me in that way." Still, I cooperated because I respected her and I was touched that she would reach out to help someone she wasn't obviously connected to. She stood about 6 feet away from me as I stood against the tree and went "woosh" with her hands. I about fell down. Every goose bump on my body was hurting from standing up so hard. I've never felt anything like that before --- like an electrical current zapping right through me. It is a warm day here and I was just solid with goose bumps. Then she walked up and said, "This is about more than your finger. You have a blockage...right...there." And she touched me right where my really bad back injury happened. It was like being poked with a cattle prod. Then, after she stood back and made some more movements with her hands, she said, "I feel I need to tell you today that you have to stop feeling responsible for everything. There are going to be hard times coming. People like you need to be here to help, but you can't if you don't help yourself. " This woman knew nothing about me. She is the real deal. She didn't ask for anything, either. She just wanted to help. I thought it was so amazing that that happened after I had specifically asked for help for feeling plagued by visions of everything that is happening. And I thought it was interesting what she said, given that some people here feel that the aliens have been telling us the same things. This is so awesomeI am on a major journey to "heal" myself. Then, this is what I would like to do . Just go about my life meeting people that I can possibly help. I think that was very brave to be willing to go with this lady and experience this! Even if all you were to get ( this time) was the "message", I'm curious to see how your finger and back feel tomorrow! ;D ************************************************ Yes, I used to be one who thought all the time about the state of our world, and its precious forms of life, and how we were/are awful stewards . I do lose sleep over it. By saying "I used to think" , I just mean that now it is a deep feeling that is part of my being; a constant sadness, and its more than a thought process. I was recently given a project that I dreamed about 10 yrs. ago exactly, this month . I cried, and I am so moved. I thought it was just a dream I had one night. Symbolically, I thought it meant "new birth", as I also went through a horrible divorce (after 14 yrs. and 3 kids) this month, 10 yrs. ago. In my dream, I was planting a tree, . I have been given 150 white oak trees, with the instructions that I can plant them wherever I want, on the grounds of where I work. I still can't believe it; to me, the responsibility is HUGE! Today I made a trench for them in my own yard, so that they would live and I could plant them in a careful manner. Last week, within a day of getting the trees, I was informed that my former husband is taking me to court (just waiting now to be served). Which do you think I am focusing on?? ;D ;D
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 15, 2013 23:00:40 GMT -6
Good for you JCurio! Stay positive. Yes Dawn, I too have these awful visions, mine are not in dream state though, mine come through the waking state accompanied by a voice that is warning or guiding me in what is to come and how to deal with it. Seems to me there isn't much we can do to stop it at this point on an individual level, this is something so huge and horrific now that it will take mass consciousness to correct and heal all from it. Do not lose your faith in the "plan" though, this is something that has to be learned by the masses so they do not continue to do it again in the future. I know that many of us here have this feeling of something impending , for me it is visions of destruction on a great scale. But I do not look at it with sorrow or fear, I look at it as the only way mother Earth can cleanse herself from such great injustice. The native Americans speak of cleansings in the past, they are nothing knew...we just have to keep our wits about us and remember that so as to not try to "cling to the shores but go with the current". (go with the flow.) Do not be despaired from the fact that it is overwhelmingly huge or that you cannot stop it alone, this is not one person's burden, it is many. Together we will live through this and see better times for all races of the planet. (trees, plants, animals, humans, birds, etc.) As for the empath feelings of forests raped and birds missing their habits, or other animals lost to their homes being destroyed, I think their are many not only here but elsewhere who experience this. I get physically ill when I feel trees or animals sorrow...speaking of trees, I too have a tree I go to, to commune with while barefoot! It is an old white pine in the edge of my yard and we call her Grandmother tree". She brings many in my family solace. Trees and rocks are some of my best friends lol
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 3:52:38 GMT -6
This is a subject that has kept me up many times. Here's one quote that I've come across which still numbs my mind at how destructive civilization can be: "In the last twenty four hours, over 200,000 acres of rain forest were destroyed. Thirteen million tons of toxic chemicals were released. Forty-five thousand people died of starvation, thirty eight thousand of them children. More than one hundred plant or animal species have went extinct because of civilized humans. All of this in one day..." I could rattle off statistics and numbers, but all it has given me is nightmares. As if I didn't understand it enough, the Dreamgiver has on many occasions illustrated these truths very vividly. I don't mean to be "Doom and Gloom", but this is how I feel. No body I know wants to hear it because deep down, they know. My therapy is a long walk barefooted in the woods. There is a place I go to see a certain tree and I talk to this tree. I have for a couple years now. To stand there on earth and not on concrete has helped me immensely. A man that I met once told me that I needed to do this and it would help me. And it has. Because of the things that I've seen (or shown by them), it has given me a deep longing that I didn't know I had. I came across an environmental writer and the first book I read of his tore me up badly. I knew that things were bad, but I didn't know how horrible it truly was. Then I started my own searching and well, I think that I'll stop there. You are not alone in your pain. I'm glad I started this thread. I think there are a lot of us who need to help each other not feel so alone right now. It seems to me that not being alone in those feelings is a great gift. Remember I am (we are) thinking about you and we will stick together.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 4:01:32 GMT -6
"I was recently given a project that I dreamed about 10 yrs. ago exactly, this month . I cried, and I am so moved. I thought it was just a dream I had one night. Symbolically, I thought it meant "new birth", as I also went through a horrible divorce (after 14 yrs. and 3 kids) this month, 10 yrs. ago. In my dream, I was planting a tree, . I have been given 150 white oak trees, with the instructions that I can plant them wherever I want, on the grounds of where I work. I still can't believe it; to me, the responsibility is HUGE! Today I made a trench for them in my own yard, so that they would live and I could plant them in a careful manner. Last week, within a day of getting the trees, I was informed that my former husband is taking me to court (just waiting now to be served). Which do you think I am focusing on?? " That is wonderful about the trees! What a gift! I am sorry for your struggles with your past relationship. That can be very stressful. After I had been a stay at home mom, home maker, and home school teacher my ex decided she wanted out. I was so concerned for my son. I lost my home, retirement, etc (I had also been working as a writer/adjunct professor then and invested my own money in the home, though it was not in my name). I was told by the mediators that I was considered a "room-mate" under the law and was therefore not legally entitled to anything. I didn't care about the material part of it, but I could no longer afford to live on the West Coast and that made it so I lost full-time custody of my son. :-( But I've come to see it was time for me to come back home to Southern Illinois for a purpose. I hope that your legal complications end up helping you in some way and that they serve some purpose.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 4:07:47 GMT -6
Good for you JCurio! Stay positive. Yes Dawn, I too have these awful visions, mine are not in dream state though, mine come through the waking state accompanied by a voice that is warning or guiding me in what is to come and how to deal with it. Seems to me there isn't much we can do to stop it at this point on an individual level, this is something so huge and horrific now that it will take mass consciousness to correct and heal all from it. Do not lose your faith in the "plan" though, this is something that has to be learned by the masses so they do not continue to do it again in the future. I know that many of us here have this feeling of something impending , for me it is visions of destruction on a great scale. But I do not look at it with sorrow or fear, I look at it as the only way mother Earth can cleanse herself from such great injustice. The native Americans speak of cleansings in the past, they are nothing knew...we just have to keep our wits about us and remember that so as to not try to "cling to the shores but go with the current". (go with the flow.) Do not be despaired from the fact that it is overwhelmingly huge or that you cannot stop it alone, this is not one person's burden, it is many. Together we will live through this and see better times for all races of the planet. (trees, plants, animals, humans, birds, etc.) As for the empath feelings of forests raped and birds missing their habits, or other animals lost to their homes being destroyed, I think their are many not only here but elsewhere who experience this. I get physically ill when I feel trees or animals sorrow...speaking of trees, I too have a tree I go to, to commune with while barefoot! It is an old white pine in the edge of my yard and we call her Grandmother tree". She brings many in my family solace. Trees and rocks are some of my best friends lol I always get so much from what you say. Just today, after that experience with the healer at the store, I started realizing something from a completely different perspective. When I have had these terrible visions and feelings of oppressive sorrow there has always been a piercing sense of guilt that goes along with it. When I woke up in the middle of the night tonight I still felt the calling sadness, but I realized that these things were not things I was doing to the environment, but things that are hurting *me* as well. I have always felt such guilt by association, guilt for being human. But I am part of the earth and its creatures and this pain and destruction is happening *to* me not just *because* of me. That feels like a big difference. Not that I advocate a victim mentality -- I'm just saying that this stuff is hurting us because we are part of it, not just because we are monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 13:21:48 GMT -6
Wow... JC...
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 16, 2013 18:19:40 GMT -6
Interesting, I have a special tree -- a honey locust. Doesn't that seem odd statistically that so any of us have one?
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 16, 2013 23:48:10 GMT -6
lol well nothing seems odd to me anymore, but yes I suppose 'statistically' it is very odd...or maybe it isn't, perhaps on that same note of shifting perspectives you had previously mentioned, we are shifting them in far greater ways than many realized up until now. Perhaps, we have all been moving back to living with the land not on it, not realizing that many others were doing the very same thing, and if we took a new poll statistically it would prove to be so. I love surprises, seems like this just may be a good one! I also love the way some of our members that have been here for a minute are now opening up and trusting enough to share their experiences! And seeing so much more in common than we already knew about too! Wonderful surprises abound!
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 17, 2013 18:24:56 GMT -6
Yes, citzenk, I need to remember who I'm talking to! LOL I agree that nothing is really odd. You put it very well. What I am happy about is that I haven't lost that child-like amazement when these good surprises coe along. The "I'll be darned!" factor.LOL I am so ipressed with people here and how much they share -- and how respectful people are, too. On other sites I've been on for work, research or personal interest, it seems like people are so ready to take offense -- maybe because they are so "raw" from the world.
Interestingly, about trees, I read that families of Celtic descent (and I'm sure other tribes, too) often had family trees that people went to to pray or leave offerings, or used as gathering places for iportant meetings. I had a very special tree as a child that I always visited. Then when I moved back I picked this new one. Some people with the power company went through and just massacred a huge swath of trees where it was, but somehow it managed to be left alone. :-( When I recently went to visit my grandparent's graves I saw that the cemetery had recently planted a little oak tree right by them -- so nice because it's a desolate spot without trees in that section. I know my grandparents -- who were really my parents and raised me -- aren't there in the cemetery but live within me, but I do like to go there because I know it was an important place for them and their personal beliefs. Maybe I will adopt the little oak as the "family tree."
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 17, 2013 21:26:10 GMT -6
No problem.LOL Yes, I love the child like surprise and thrill of witnessing these wonderful synchronicities, themes in common, & "miraculous" events too! I will never tire of seeing the universe in action And am a big fan of synchronicity! Yeah, the people here are like family, this place was created as a safe haven from a previous forum (we won't mention) so the most active members are all from there and have known each other for a good minute. And we have many new members that are comfortable and wonderful contributors as well...very good mix of good people indeed! I am proud to be a member here, and don't even bother going to the other forums anymore. Yes, I knew of teh Celt practices , being part Irish me self lol the Native Americans do this as well and as you say, no doubt many other cultures, because they knew the importance of it. And by the way the term "knock on wood" actually came from those beliefs of asking the tree spirits to bring safety and protection. Great idea on adopting the tree! We here in my family are very fond of the oak tree in particular, it is a strong tree with great endurance and majestic quality but I love all trees and am very taken with the lil under dogs that don't look like they'll make it or are sad and barren. My youngest daughter and I both have a knack for giving them energy to help them thrive , we call it "the breath of life", because we don't just touch them to transfer energy we breathe on them too. (all plants not just trees)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 23:00:14 GMT -6
For years we lived on a ranch where there were huge old oaks..many vortex's and lots of 'Indian' presence. There are many tribes around the town I live in. I live in an apartment now..amid my far too many critters but outside in a pot I have a liquid amber tree I've grown from a twig. So yep guess I have a tree too
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 18, 2013 5:07:14 GMT -6
For years we lived on a ranch where there were huge old oaks..many vortex's and lots of 'Indian' presence. There are many tribes around the town I live in. I live in an apartment now..amid my far too many critters but outside in a pot I have a liquid amber tree I've grown from a twig. So yep guess I have a tree too That is SO sweet! Grown from a twig -- I just about died from how cute this was! ;D When I was little my grandparents used to take me to church and one spring while I was in the woods I found all these little oak trees sprouted in the sandy stream. I knew the stream was turbulent and unpredictable, so I gathered about 6 of them and got permission for my Sunday school to plant them between the church and the street. Now they are HUGE! They are 40 years old now. All but one is still standing. I hope your little tree grows and grows!
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 18, 2013 5:09:50 GMT -6
I love all trees and am very taken with the lil under dogs that don't look like they'll make it or are sad and barren. My youngest daughter and I both have a knack for giving them energy to help them thrive , we call it "the breath of life", because we don't just touch them to transfer energy we breathe on them too. (all plants not just trees) Ohhhh. I just love you!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 20:49:38 GMT -6
Insomnia - Yes. I've suffered from it since early childhood. Terrible images - Only what I see around me happening to this planet. I also have premonitions but it's not something I really like to talk about because I don't want to raise fear in others. Sorry about that but there are reasons. Worry about the planet. Oh yes ! I despise pollution, deforestation , extinction of animals caused by our race, chemicals flowing from landfills, radiation, and people throwing trash out their windows. I have on many occasions walked for miles with my kids cleaning roadsides. If anyone is with me and I happen to catch them throwing trash out the car, I will pull over and demand for it to be picked up. If it happened when my kids were growing up being caught throwing it out, it didn't take them long to figure out after walking for miles picking up theirs and other people's trash too. I'm concerned about our oceans also. I do know that there will come a time when all things will be renewed again. I can't wait for that beautiful day !
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Post by lois on Apr 18, 2013 23:36:49 GMT -6
Interesting, I have a special tree -- a honey locust. Doesn't that seem odd statistically that so any of us have one? I have a special tree also. When I was six our tree which shaded the house from the West sun was hit by lightning. The heat was unbearable in the afternoons if you went out on the porch.. A neighbor gave as a oak tree to plant. My sister planted it in the front yard. She was about 16 then.. I watched her very closely as she stood it up. That was in 1949.. I was afraid when it stormed it would destroy it. I went out to check it every morning and would kiss it goodnight when I went in for bed. It grew very straight and got fatter every year. We had gotten a puppy around that time and my brother was always tying that dog to the tree. He told me it is not hurting the tree Lois . He gets shade here. The dog grew to be 21 years old. On hot nights I would lay out and watch the heavens, near this tree as it gave off a very nice breeze. When my parents left this house it burned to the ground in 1978.. all that was left was the tree on a huge lot. I thought oh please do not cut it down. I took my metal detector over at the old homestead to see if anything may of been dropped by a family member. . I found our dogs collar with his shot tags. Made me happy even if not valuable . Then I too moved out of state. We came a back in 97. Yes the tree still stood and it still stands today. No one has ever built on this lot. It sits there all alone. shading the entire yard out to the back alley.. You can see it in a photo I Google Earth on my experience . Sky put it on for me .. it shows all my encounters and where they took place. Where I wrote home on it.. but all you see is the tree no lot shows.. Yes I had a tree and I still do. It has been 64 years and is still very clear in my head where I stood and watched my sister put it into the ground. We talk about it now and then..
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 19, 2013 0:32:35 GMT -6
Interesting, I have a special tree -- a honey locust. Doesn't that seem odd statistically that so any of us have one? I have a special tree also. When I was six our tree which shaded the house from the West sun was hit by lightning. The heat was unbearable in the afternoons if you went out on the porch.. A neighbor gave as a oak tree to plant. My sister planted it in the front yard. She was about 16 then.. I watched her very closely as she stood it up. That was in 1949.. I was afraid when it stormed it would destroy it. I went out to check it every morning and would kiss it goodnight when I went in for bed. It grew very straight and got fatter every year. We had gotten a puppy around that time and my brother was always tying that dog to the tree. He told me it is not hurting the tree Lois . He gets shade here. The dog grew to be 21 years old. On hot nights I would lay out and watch the heavens, near this tree as it gave off a very nice breeze. When my parents left this house it burned to the ground in 1978.. all that was left was the tree on a huge lot. I thought oh please do not cut it down. I took my metal detector over at the old homestead to see if anything may of been dropped by a family member. . I found our dogs collar with his shot tags. Made me happy even if not valuable . Then I too moved out of state. We came a back in 97. Yes the tree still stood and it still stands today. No one has ever built on this lot. It sits there all alone. shading the entire yard out to the back alley.. You can see it in a photo I Google Earth on my experience . Sky put it on for me .. it shows all my encounters and where they took place. Where I wrote home on it.. but all you see is the tree no lot shows.. Yes I had a tree and I still do. It has been 64 years and is still very clear in my head where I stood and watched my sister put it into the ground. We talk about it now and then.. What a lovely, lovely story. It brought tears to my eyes. What a wonderful thing and you wrote about it so movingly. You are a writer!!! I would LOVE to see that google earth image. Where can I find it?
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 19, 2013 0:34:51 GMT -6
Insomnia - Yes. I've suffered from it since early childhood. Terrible images - Only what I see around me happening to this planet. I also have premonitions but it's not something I really like to talk about because I don't want to raise fear in others. Sorry about that but there are reasons. Worry about the planet. Oh yes ! I despise pollution, deforestation , extinction of animals caused by our race, chemicals flowing from landfills, radiation, and people throwing trash out their windows. I have on many occasions walked for miles with my kids cleaning roadsides. If anyone is with me and I happen to catch them throwing trash out the car, I will pull over and demand for it to be picked up. If it happened when my kids were growing up being caught throwing it out, it didn't take them long to figure out after walking for miles picking up theirs and other people's trash too. I'm concerned about our oceans also. I do know that there will come a time when all things will be renewed again. I can't wait for that beautiful day ! Thank you Cliff for sharing, and for the things you do to clean up. I am sorry that you feel heartache about these things. You are a good person -- like so many here -- and I wish you could be spared those feelings. When that fine day of renewal comes, I hope I see you there...
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2013 12:33:52 GMT -6
I have a special tree also. When I was six our tree which shaded the house from the West sun was hit by lightning. The heat was unbearable in the afternoons if you went out on the porch.. A neighbor gave as a oak tree to plant. My sister planted it in the front yard. She was about 16 then.. I watched her very closely as she stood it up. That was in 1949.. I was afraid when it stormed it would destroy it. I went out to check it every morning and would kiss it goodnight when I went in for bed. It grew very straight and got fatter every year. We had gotten a puppy around that time and my brother was always tying that dog to the tree. He told me it is not hurting the tree Lois . He gets shade here. The dog grew to be 21 years old. On hot nights I would lay out and watch the heavens, near this tree as it gave off a very nice breeze. When my parents left this house it burned to the ground in 1978.. all that was left was the tree on a huge lot. I thought oh please do not cut it down. I took my metal detector over at the old homestead to see if anything may of been dropped by a family member. . I found our dogs collar with his shot tags. Made me happy even if not valuable . Then I too moved out of state. We came a back in 97. Yes the tree still stood and it still stands today. No one has ever built on this lot. It sits there all alone. shading the entire yard out to the back alley.. You can see it in a photo I Google Earth on my experience . Sky put it on for me .. it shows all my encounters and where they took place. Where I wrote home on it.. but all you see is the tree no lot shows.. Yes I had a tree and I still do. It has been 64 years and is still very clear in my head where I stood and watched my sister put it into the ground. We talk about it now and then.. What a lovely, lovely story. It brought tears to my eyes. What a wonderful thing and you wrote about it so movingly. You are a writer!!! I would LOVE to see that google earth image. Where can I find it? On my experience thread it is page 7 .. reply 167.. It looks to close to the street but that is it in front of where I wrote " my house.. Not a very good photo. You may want to check page 6 reply 131.. those spots I drew are the underhang of the ufo which the green beam was lighting up. that is all I could see of it.. dull gray..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 10:49:29 GMT -6
I am sorry for your struggles with your past relationship. That can be very stressful. After I had been a stay at home mom, home maker, and home school teacher my ex decided she wanted out. I was so concerned for my son. I lost my home, retirement, etc (I had also been working as a writer/adjunct professor then and invested my own money in the home, though it was not in my name). I was told by the mediators that I was considered a "room-mate" under the law and was therefore not legally entitled to anything. I didn't care about the material part of it, but I could no longer afford to live on the West Coast and that made it so I lost full-time custody of my son. :-( But I've come to see it was time for me to come back home to Southern Illinois for a purpose. I hope that your legal complications end up helping you in some way and that they serve some purpose. Thank You . I too, am sorry for what happened to you. Especially in an area where during a separation everything is supposed to be split right down the middle. This is what people need to understand; you had no "partnership" rights spelled out by the law, and you were abused. Initially, my divorce was productive for me. By law, my former husband had to pay child support, and that was more money than I had ever gotten from him . Of course he found a way around that. Because of the money he now owes, he can't legally drive a car (thank G_d - he's an alcoholic with several DWI), and he has the prospect of jail hanging over him, which I have never pressed. I understand he wants to clear things up, but he wants me to totally forget what he owes. It's not about the money. Every time he wants his way, his mom gets a lawyer for him. The latest threat was he didn't like the church we were going to, and told his daughters he'd take me to court over that, too. This time, I have a lawyer, and I hope I can make it clear that he needs to quit threatening me. Whatever your son has been told, I believe the truth will come out in the end. Just be there for him . One lawyer told me that whoever has the money, tends to control the kids. I understand what he is saying, but yet there are non-material things that I can offer. And, my kids see their dad always claiming he doesn't have any money, but yet he pays for a lawyer to harass their mom, etc. I worry more about any of my kids having his attitude. Always blaming someone else, disrespecting authority, and abusing those that try to help him. The really weird thing is, my former husband also loves animals, and has a "green thumb" . But yet he had no qualms about throwing trash out the window of a car . I've also seen him kick a dog . Weird.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 10:53:58 GMT -6
Insomnia - Yes. I've suffered from it since early childhood. Terrible images - Only what I see around me happening to this planet. I also have premonitions but it's not something I really like to talk about because I don't want to raise fear in others. Sorry about that but there are reasons. Worry about the planet. Oh yes ! I despise pollution, deforestation , extinction of animals caused by our race, chemicals flowing from landfills, radiation, and people throwing trash out their windows. I have on many occasions walked for miles with my kids cleaning roadsides. If anyone is with me and I happen to catch them throwing trash out the car, I will pull over and demand for it to be picked up. If it happened when my kids were growing up being caught throwing it out, it didn't take them long to figure out after walking for miles picking up theirs and other people's trash too. I'm concerned about our oceans also. I do know that there will come a time when all things will be renewed again. I can't wait for that beautiful day ! My kids and I have also walked, trash bag in hand, just trying to make some difference. Thanks, Cliff
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 10:59:03 GMT -6
Wow... JC... yeah, I'm pretty excited. I thought my folks would throw a fit because I'm already so busy, but my dad has me set up with an auger! The plants I already tend at work are thriving. All they needed was replanting and my constant humming as I tend them ;D. I only hope these trees do so well. I already walk our lot praying over the area. Now I will be praying for protection for these babies ;D ;D.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 21, 2013 0:35:01 GMT -6
I am sorry for your struggles with your past relationship. That can be very stressful. After I had been a stay at home mom, home maker, and home school teacher my ex decided she wanted out. I was so concerned for my son. I lost my home, retirement, etc (I had also been working as a writer/adjunct professor then and invested my own money in the home, though it was not in my name). I was told by the mediators that I was considered a "room-mate" under the law and was therefore not legally entitled to anything. I didn't care about the material part of it, but I could no longer afford to live on the West Coast and that made it so I lost full-time custody of my son. :-( But I've come to see it was time for me to come back home to Southern Illinois for a purpose. I hope that your legal complications end up helping you in some way and that they serve some purpose. Thank You . I too, am sorry for what happened to you. Especially in an area where during a separation everything is supposed to be split right down the middle. This is what people need to understand; you had no "partnership" rights spelled out by the law, and you were abused. Initially, my divorce was productive for me. By law, my former husband had to pay child support, and that was more money than I had ever gotten from him . Of course he found a way around that. Because of the money he now owes, he can't legally drive a car (thank G_d - he's an alcoholic with several DWI), and he has the prospect of jail hanging over him, which I have never pressed. I understand he wants to clear things up, but he wants me to totally forget what he owes. It's not about the money. Every time he wants his way, his mom gets a lawyer for him. The latest threat was he didn't like the church we were going to, and told his daughters he'd take me to court over that, too. This time, I have a lawyer, and I hope I can make it clear that he needs to quit threatening me. Whatever your son has been told, I believe the truth will come out in the end. Just be there for him . One lawyer told me that whoever has the money, tends to control the kids. I understand what he is saying, but yet there are non-material things that I can offer. And, my kids see their dad always claiming he doesn't have any money, but yet he pays for a lawyer to harass their mom, etc. I worry more about any of my kids having his attitude. Always blaming someone else, disrespecting authority, and abusing those that try to help him. The really weird thing is, my former husband also loves animals, and has a "green thumb" . But yet he had no qualms about throwing trash out the window of a car . I've also seen him kick a dog . Weird. Thank you for your nurturing support over what I went through. It makes me sick at heart when I see people fighting about those kinds of things you mentioned -- still trying to grasp and control because they are hurt and afraid. I'm glad you have someone in your corner who will hopefully bring balance and sanity to the situation. As you know, it is the peace that is most important to the kids. Thanks for reminding me that my son will know everything -- most of the time it is clear he already does. He is so sensitive and knew exactly what was going on every step of the way, even though I tried to speak of things in terms as positive as possible while also being open about my feelings without placing blame. I had said from the beginning I would leave the house intact and just as it was with my furniture and things, just because I wanted that stability for my son. I asked for my part of the retirement and other investments just so I could start over -- that was when she sought legal counsel and made sure I knew I was entitled to nothing under the law. I said that was fine, that I would rather get along and not cause more tension for our son. But her dad is very wealthy and essentially forced me to sign a paper saying I understood I was a "roommate" for 15 years and promising I wouldn't seek any monetary recompense or my part of the house. I signed it, just crying and feeling so humiliated...I had given my word that I would ask for nothing to keep the peace, but my word didn't mean anything. So yes, my son is exposed to a lot of wealth at his other house, But here, he says he can "finally be who he really is." and that means the world to me. We don't have much but he loves the feeling of everyone pitching in to help, finding creative solutions to problems instead of just paying to have things done. You are a good and strong person. And I know we are all here for you. In these changing times, it seems clearer and clearer that he disconnected people are just losing their minds but we are lucky to find strength in community.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 17:54:14 GMT -6
You are a good and strong person. And I know we are all here for you. In these changing times, it seems clearer and clearer that he disconnected people are just losing their minds but we are lucky to find strength in community. Thank You . I so much needed to be reminded that I am "good and strong", and that I have people who are here for me. I haven't had internet service for a week. I tried not wondering how you all were doing. I watched "family feud" one early evening with my dad, and one of the questions on the big money round was "From 1 to 10, How addicted are you to the internet?" The first lady gave her answer as a "7". The second lady gave her answer as an "8". The number one answer was "10". ;D ;D
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Post by skywalker on Apr 27, 2013 20:21:19 GMT -6
I was wondering what happened to you, Jc. Glad you are back.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 28, 2013 8:37:07 GMT -6
Yes, JC, welcome back! Any time you need a shot in the arm don't hesitate to ask. I am learning to get better at asking for help or reassurance and it helps to remember how good it makes me feel to help someone. I think needing help or support actually gives people the gift of your vulnerability and an opportunity to feel good!
You ARE good and strong! Don't forget!!! ;-)
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