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Post by lois on Apr 18, 2013 16:49:32 GMT -6
I know this is far fetched but I have posted this many times in the far past.. It is a crazy thought but something I have never stopped thinking about all these years. When I realized I had brain damage all I did was .. What could they have done to my brain? Many abductees over the years have claimed they took something from my head.. they were sure of it. I ask this on Mufon a number of years back. Would or Could Aliens take our memories. All my replies were.. " They know our entire life they do not need to take our memories. " This is not what I meant . This article is what I was referring to.. along these lines anyway. I believe Ron was the only one at mufon who agree it could be.. I use to say they taken every resource we have here on earth including all living things why not our memories? Like building a replica .. Crazy ?? No I do not believe it is.. I do not believe a cloned you would be placed back in their bed. ;D ;D More like save your memory for a future event or after earths destruction.. www.reportaufo.com/blog/what-if-i-was-cloned-and-replaced-208
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 18:03:59 GMT -6
Lois, it's strange that you mention this because this is something that has bothered me for a long time. I don't know if this actually happened to me or if it was only a "dream", but I will tell you what I remember.
I went to bed one night several years ago (maybe about 12 years ago) and I found myself in a completely foreign place. It seemed to be like a warehouse and for some reason, it seemed to be underground. It felt vast and cavernous. I was naked like most of the time that I've been taken by them. Like in the past, there was one "being" with me but it stayed out of my line of vision (at least that's what I remember). It was taking me to this area where there was these large glass(?) containers with something in them. The "being" with me "spoke" to me in a calm voice like always. As we neared the area, I realized that all of them contained a fully grown human being in what I guess you would call "suspended animation". They were all asleep or unconscious, I guess. We got near the center and I stopped. The person in the liquid filled container was me. Apparently sensing this, the being told me that the person in that container was the real me and that I was only a "clone" (that wasn't the word used). The being emphasized that the 'me' walking around, doing everyday things wasn't the real one. Then I looked around and saw that the containers that were connected to the center were all me as well. Something in me broke. I lost my mind and I ran to the center one. I began pounding on the glass(?), trying to break it. The being made no effort to seize me because as I did it, I realized how pointless it was - I couldn't break it or do anything else to it. Next thing I know, I'm back on the couch and I'm in tears.
Now I already know that some people's knee-jerk reaction is to read psychology into this. That it was only a dream and that the symbolism is pretty obvious. Perhaps that's right. But what you don't know is that I've walked around for many years wondering if I was the "real" me. I think that I've always felt that way and it's probably irrational, but I came across some Celtic folklore that spoke of "Changlings" when I was young. For some reason, it resonated with me. Then when that "dream" happened, it confirmed a terrifying reality for me. After moving to Illinois, there had been many, many times where people would say they saw me at certain places when I had never been there before. One person who went to SIUE said they saw me on campus going to a class. The person shouted at me, but I continued walking and apparently ignored him. He came to my job and began to yell at me for being incredibly rude. I tried to convince him that it wasn't me, but he said that I was a liar. He said that unless I had a twin, he said that it was me. I've been told other stories similar to this over the years. It truly spooks me...
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Post by lois on Apr 19, 2013 16:36:41 GMT -6
wow!! I guess the mind goes in all directions after one has a encounter with alien beings. But this has stuck with me for years. Once I had a dream of being somewhere with these cylinders of liquid with humans in them Could of been from a movie I had watched. No one has ever told me they seen me somewhere that I was not.. People may ask, what about the spiritual part of that person. Ones mind holds his spiritual thinking as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 11:24:45 GMT -6
One of Karla Turners books talks extensively about an experiencer named "Ted". He mentions some ideas, and experiences, some events that brought his own cloning to mind. Reading this lately, is the first time I have understood how this could be a part of the "alien experience". At a young age, I also thought I was a "changeling", but I can't recall where I got this wild idea . I eventually was satisfied with the notion that I was adopted, even though this isn't true either. Part of my "dreams" has also been about seeing many people not dead, but somehow "frozen". However, I saw many adults laying on gurneys in a warehouse situation. The time I saw children suspended in the air, I was too young to see why they were like that; I saw them as children frozen, but floating, with one balloon (IV bag?) attached to them. I'm amazed, wishmythos, that in these scenes you also knew you had a "guide", just out of your eyesight! That is how it was for me (we didn't talk, though) and I've only heard one other experiencer mention this! As I've said before, there are things about my body, that don't seem to be "me". For one, my constant skin problems. The latest oddity is my eye lashes . Have any of you guys looked closely at your eye lashes? I have, several times in my life. I seem to (Now) have eyelashes to die for, . Mine are growing almost in rows (very tightly together) and a "clump" consists of 3 or 4 growing from one little tiny area of the row. I noticed this because I have had to pluck them to get rid of the "junk" that comes with folliculitis. At my age, I wouldn't expect even my eye brow hairs to grow back so well. When I was younger, I was laminating that I had once plucked my eyebrows too much- they wouldn't grow back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 18:01:37 GMT -6
One of Karla Turners books talks extensively about an experiencer named "Ted". He mentions some ideas, and experiences, some events that brought his own cloning to mind. Reading this lately, is the first time I have understood how this could be a part of the "alien experience". At a young age, I also thought I was a "changeling", but I can't recall where I got this wild idea . I eventually was satisfied with the notion that I was adopted, even though this isn't true either. Part of my "dreams" has also been about seeing many people not dead, but somehow "frozen". However, I saw many adults laying on gurneys in a warehouse situation. The time I saw children suspended in the air, I was too young to see why they were like that; I saw them as children frozen, but floating, with one balloon (IV bag?) attached to them. I'm amazed, wishmythos, that in these scenes you also knew you had a "guide", just out of your eyesight! That is how it was for me (we didn't talk, though) and I've only heard one other experiencer mention this! As I've said before, there are things about my body, that don't seem to be "me". For one, my constant skin problems. The latest oddity is my eye lashes . Have any of you guys looked closely at your eye lashes? I have, several times in my life. I seem to (Now) have eyelashes to die for, . Mine are growing almost in rows (very tightly together) and a "clump" consists of 3 or 4 growing from one little tiny area of the row. I noticed this because I have had to pluck them to get rid of the "junk" that comes with folliculitis. At my age, I wouldn't expect even my eye brow hairs to grow back so well. When I was younger, I was laminating that I had once plucked my eyebrows too much- they wouldn't grow back. JC, that is too bizarre! I thought that I was the only one who had thoughts about the concept of changelings. I think that I always felt that way, but I didn't have a word for it until I came across that in folklore. As for my situation, I have five sisters and one brother; I am 'half' to all of them. There are many reasons that have led me in that weird direction, but the main one is my dad. I didn't meet him until I was 20. He never told me the truth about myself. I had asked him on several occasions about if he knew about me (whether of not I was born - things like that) and I was never given a concrete answer. I finally gave up on asking. I could've demanded a DNA test, but I didn't. I regretted it after he died. There are times where I still doubt it, but I guess I'm sticking with this family. Just recently, I was visiting one of my sisters in Springfield. She remarked that it would be strange if we found out that I'm not actually related to them. I smiled and said that had crossed my mind often. She said that regardless, we were family now... I was going to list all the reasons (rational & irrational) as to why I can't shake that feeling. I'm sure that it probably has to do with being told "You belong to us" by 'them'. In my first remembered abduction, there was a 'guide' who directed me to my destination. That's why I seriously doubt that it's a dream. Since I've started remembering, my body has went through some bizarre changes. And of course, it's all anecdotal evidence. As stated in another thread, I can't wear watches. Or I should that the only watch I can wear now is a wind-up pocket watch. I'm allergic to silver and bronze metals (that I'm currently aware of). My skin is so sensitive that I can only wear paper tape for injuries. I do have something weird going on with my eye lashes. They look like they're a double row. I also have chronic sinusitis and stomach problems. All of this occurred after I began remembering. But then again, all this could be because of where I live. I live in the 'armpit' of the Midwest (as I call it). There was one thing that happened back in 97-98. I awoke one morning and it felt like there was something in my throat. So I went to the bathroom and opened my mouth, seeing nothing. I then stick a finger down my throat and feel something. I took my index finger and thumb and stuck it down my throat as far as I can. I pull out something out of my throat. It was about six inches long, about an inch thick, and all white. I began screaming. I have no idea what it was because it wasn't there the night before. I could breath and swallow fine the night before. Without thinking, I threw it into the toilet and flushed. There's your gross story for the night.
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2013 19:04:52 GMT -6
i will say I'm cloned.. but from my Grandpa on my Mothers side.. ;D wishmythos.. I did not know you were from Illinois also. Hi neighbor!! I'm from Bloomington. most everyone here knows that by now. You mentions Springfield is where yout sister lives. My Grand daughter seen a huge ufo over that area just before Easter. Took photos. Do you see many ufos near your area... more so now than ever before? I remember how in the old Science fiction movies they would have a huge ball with electricity bouncing around in it. Reminds me of the ball lightning I witnessed. They would talk to it like it was a brain. I always shied away from those. They made me very nervous. Star Trek even had a episode with this content. What I posted this thread .. It was more like feeling that they save you and save your mind separate. Does that sound crazy or what. These ideas did not come from any movie, as I could not stay in a room with that tuned in on the tube. Science is even moving forward into this direction. As of what I have read and heard. One Scientist said memories could be inherited. Like you think you have been in a place before and you know you have never been there. Maybe inherited thoughts. Guess I'm going off the deep end .. I have many outrages thoughts since my huge encounter, but just sounds too crazy to post. I sort of sneaked this one in. They did something to my brain first thought.. the rest followed..
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Post by lois on Apr 20, 2013 19:27:33 GMT -6
This is really strange. My eyelids do the same thing.. they seem to feel thick like there is something stuck in them . I'm always pulling on the lashes trying to remove it but there is nothing in them. If I wear mascara they go together in clumps . Top row sticking to the bottom row. I have bad tendinitis in my feet ankles and legs. The largest tendon is on the outside of my foot and runs up the middle of the ankle. Therapist would tape my ankle up from the sole of my foot. I got so many sores from that tape and they told me I could not wear it....I had news for them I was never wearing it again.. ;D I had a guide once in some dark damp place showing me things. Yes I could not see the person beside me. Just like on that other planet dream I had I never seen the two being walking with me. I think grays are only workers for some kind of higher intelligence or deity what ever you want to call it. I would go so far as to say it could be a divine power. I never once thought grays were angels or anything like that.. This gets into my spiritual belief again. So I will stop here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 18:37:02 GMT -6
i will say I'm cloned.. but from my Grandpa on my Mothers side.. ;D wishmythos.. I did not know you were from Illinois also. Hi neighbor!! I'm from Bloomington. most everyone here knows that by now. You mentions Springfield is where yout sister lives. My Grand daughter seen a huge ufo over that area just before Easter. Took photos. Do you see many ufos near your area... more so now than ever before? I remember how in the old Science fiction movies they would have a huge ball with electricity bouncing around in it. Reminds me of the ball lightning I witnessed. They would talk to it like it was a brain. I always shied away from those. They made me very nervous. Star Trek even had a episode with this content. What I posted this thread .. It was more like feeling that they save you and save your mind separate. Does that sound crazy or what. These ideas did not come from any movie, as I could not stay in a room with that tuned in on the tube. Science is even moving forward into this direction. As of what I have read and heard. One Scientist said memories could be inherited. Like you think you have been in a place before and you know you have never been there. Maybe inherited thoughts. Guess I'm going off the deep end .. I have many outrages thoughts since my huge encounter, but just sounds too crazy to post. I sort of sneaked this one in. They did something to my brain first thought.. the rest followed.. Yep, I live in Alton. Every great once in a while I'll drive up to visit with my sister. I haven't seen a UFO in a long time. The way my work schedule is, I am rarely outside after 7pm. Every now and then I'll see a strange light in the night sky, but nothing like what I've seen in the past. Lois, if you're talking about something like genetic memory, I think it's a reality. Whether or not they save our memories and us separately, I don't know. What I do know is that from many of the dreams and whatever else they're called, there is knowledge that I previously didn't have that was given to me. Whenever these 'dreams' would come, I would then search it out because of my curiosity. A thought just occurred to me - is this their way of pushing me along without their direct involvement or is this just proof (to myself) what I've come to believe: possibly that all knowledge past and future is within?
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Post by lois on Apr 21, 2013 19:40:36 GMT -6
That is another question I have always ask here.
I need not too as I believe aliens somehow manipulate our dreams. Some of them. They give me visions in dreams of earthquakes that will happen in the near future. .
I'm sure of this by going back to one event in 1968.. Aliens would get into my mind as a teenager while doing my homework. They altered my hearing .. Everything change around me.. Things were like I had some drug in me. Any noise was unbearable . Voices sounded like explosions in my brain. When I got married it all stopped.
I never told my husband. My parents thought I was possessed by some demon when this occurred .. I was glad it had stopped after I was married and it stayed away until one night in 68. I had three children at the time. Strange it was at the same time of day also.
We were getting ready for bed and it just happened. I did not know what to do. I told my husband to leave the light on.. something was wrong or going to happen to me. He turned the light off. He was a sleep in no time. I sat there until about five am. No noise to listen to thank goodness. It finally stopped. and I fell asleep.
Next thing I hear is him saying I'm leaving for work now. I sat up and started yelling at him. You cannot go to work we are going to have a large quake. He really thought it was a bad dream. I knew it was not. At 12 noon in May 1968 a quake hit up here in Bloomington from the New Madrid fault line... My dishes were all on the floor the ground shook so hard. I got the other two children in the house. About 20 minutes later my husband walks through the door . the machinery in the factory was falling down from the ceiling..He was in tool and dye.. . He looked at me and said what did you say to me this morning.
I told him I don't know how I knew . It was that thing in my head told me I guess. Then when I explain it all he was lost for words. I knew he would not understand. There is no way to explain alien contact with your mind. I have tried all my life.
In 72 when I see the ship and the green beam came down to the ground . I started walking toward the ship like I was drugged but yet still understood what I was doing. I had to find out more about it. Then the crickets really got loud blowing my ear drums out. I thought it has been you all these years. I was so angry..
I know they give me these dreams as it has happened quite often. And it started that one night they came in 68. I never dreamed of quakes before that one. So yes you may get a dream now and then induced by ETs. I started a thread on this subject . Not sure if it is this forum on the one before we came to TEOR...
Yes this is the memory I spoke of.. It all sound so odd inherited memories.. ;D .
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Post by lois on Apr 21, 2013 20:04:03 GMT -6
wish .. were you living in Alton when this famous sighting took place? You would of been north of the craft..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 20:37:09 GMT -6
wish .. were you living in Alton when this famous sighting took place? You would of been north of the craft.. I probably was, Lois but I don't remember this one. The one I saw was in '99.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 21, 2013 23:55:10 GMT -6
Inherited thoughts; the DNA has memory in my opinion, so if say in your past lifetime you went to visit the California's Bay area for example and then in this lifetime lived nowhere near it but went there on vacation you could very well know of things such as sites or coves to go to etc. because your DNA has recorded memory of it. Not off the deep end at all Lois, you are quite a sharp lil tack! Well now we're getting onto some strange discussions with the strange thick (assuming ) phlegm? and sinusitis, tinnitus, tendonitis, all the itis' that we all seem to have in common...thick eyelashes, check. Double rows of eyelashes, check. But cloned, I say nay. I do not believe any of this is about cloning any one. I think it's a bout preserving and improving, and some being here that are a mixed breed so to speak. But this is no different than say an interracial family blend that is very common on our planet now, just that the mixing is coming from somewhere else... I think the suspended people that are witnessed are there for the same reason you were there, to have their upgrading done. The event in and of itself is traumatizing to people who are told they don't even exist and yet are taking us, then there are the procedures they do to us also traumatizing, and the transferring from one place to another is not easy on the body so put them in a cryogenic type of resting state until, during, and after the event is over and they are returned to their proper places. Makes perfect scientific sense to me. As for guides, some are the visitor guide types and others are your appointed guides who are with you always you just do not always notice, acknowledge, ask, or listen to .
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 22, 2013 5:43:35 GMT -6
i will say I'm cloned.. but from my Grandpa on my Mothers side.. ;D wishmythos.. I did not know you were from Illinois also. Hi neighbor!! I'm from Bloomington. most everyone here knows that by now. You mentions Springfield is where yout sister lives. My Grand daughter seen a huge ufo over that area just before Easter. Took photos. Do you see many ufos near your area... more so now than ever before? I remember how in the old Science fiction movies they would have a huge ball with electricity bouncing around in it. Reminds me of the ball lightning I witnessed. They would talk to it like it was a brain. I always shied away from those. They made me very nervous. Star Trek even had a episode with this content. What I posted this thread .. It was more like feeling that they save you and save your mind separate. Does that sound crazy or what. These ideas did not come from any movie, as I could not stay in a room with that tuned in on the tube. Science is even moving forward into this direction. As of what I have read and heard. One Scientist said memories could be inherited. Like you think you have been in a place before and you know you have never been there. Maybe inherited thoughts. Guess I'm going off the deep end .. I have many outrages thoughts since my huge encounter, but just sounds too crazy to post. I sort of sneaked this one in. They did something to my brain first thought.. the rest followed.. I was just saying on another thread how I felt like the "me" that is my soul sort of settled into m mom when she was first pregnant and I seem to remember it. And once when I was "taken" I looked back and saw my body still in bed -- other times not, though, so I don't know what that means... Just thought I'd offer my own experience of being separate from a body. I am still very curious and puzzled about it and I think this is an interesting thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 9:42:01 GMT -6
Why would there be any need for cloning? We have viable eggs and sperm available..harvesting them makes a lot more sense than some cloning process that tends to weaken DNA. I think sometimes we fall victim to our own science fiction and the effect that movies and tv have on us. Even for some alien..there would have to be a reason to clone us...and that implies we are important enough to do these things with. Or do we just 'want' to be that important to others? Very few of us are content with our lives especially as we age. Who doesn't fantasize of waking up in a brand new body..cloned from aliens or made just for us by aliens..maybe a robot body that won't ever die. We keep trying to avoid the natural process of birth and death..and instead of finding ways to make peace with the process..we try to circumvent it. If there were such a process...I'd happily suggest Stephen Hawking..for it I guess it goes back to why are they abducting people. For study..to catalog..probably as they have done hundreds of others. I had a 'vision' a very long time ago..seeing the earth as an 'ark'. I thought I was fantasizing about a book to write..because it seemed very implausible. The sun of a star system was about to explode..and there were several inhabited worlds in the system. Nearby races that had the technology took DNA from those worlds (not the people because that was not feasible) but the building blocks for preserving the species..and brought that here to earth to grow. Still seems like a good book proposition but maybe it was more..and maybe they keep tabs on those subject lines to this day..maybe they keep the species alive by taking this DNA and moving it elsewhere in the Universe. It isn't the individual that is important..it is the species. We keep thinking of ourselves as having such importance...and we tend to want things much more complex because something simple is just...too easy. I don't think we are clones..I think we are spread all over the place though.
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Post by lois on Apr 22, 2013 22:35:33 GMT -6
They are rebuilding somewhere else and it is not just the species but the mind as well. I know spiritual is what they may not understand and they are trying to understand where earthlings gets this type of thought. If they been going throughout the universe for maybe millions of years.. They've had to come across this thousands of times. What is more important mind or body? To them are bodies are so primitive. They may hold the technology of the universe that does not mean they have gained truth.. One abductee told... the aliens that took her said they understood our bodies but did not understand our spiritual thinking. At the time I thought nothing of it. That was 30 years ago. Lots of time to think ..It hooks up with the kidnapping reasons in some way or other. No one has the answers . and won't know in our lifetime. They have to be a species with harmony and peace.. They would not still be here traveling around any solar system without it.. What we see is only a few strays from out their.. I ask Steve many years ago. Have they ever took a prisoner out of his cell. ? He told e none that he knew of.. of course not .. Of course they may want to know what makes so many of our species have a criminal mind.. ;D ;D I believe that is false . .why bother?
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Post by lois on Apr 22, 2013 22:48:43 GMT -6
citizenk wrote.. Inherited thoughts; the DNA has memory in my opinion, so if say in your past lifetime you went to visit the California's Bay area for example and then in this lifetime lived nowhere near it but went there on vacation you could very well know of things such as sites or coves to go to etc Precisely And all these so called physic??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 0:27:48 GMT -6
I just can't see that myself. Just as easy to kidnap a few folks..drag them off to a lab somewhere and experiment the way we do on monkeys. Again..our brains are just not so sophisticated that we'd be so important (imo)..compared to theirs. They're the ones with the technology..the mental capacity to travel either through space or through dimensions. The picture painted of beings that clone humans for experimentation..is not a good one. Morally..ethicly..these beings would not be our friends..it's rather Hitler-esque and makes me think of humans subjected to countless years of torture in some lab with electrodes stuck on an exposed brain. That is not one I'm ready to believe
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 10:29:10 GMT -6
Maybe it's in the belief system. I do believe in a natural order of birth..and death. I believe when we die..we face options..to either remain in a half-way level, still maintaining much of what we were..a place where we can examine and continue to learn or to move back to this world (incarnate) to continue education here or to move on spiritually to higher levels. I think this is our choice. Those who choose to remain on the 'astral' level find themselves closer to earth in proximity and are perhaps the 'ghosts' that we see. Souls that can't bring themselves to move on or are locked into the familiar patterns of life and are afraid to move forward. I believe this because it's what I've seen and felt most of my life. Believing that aliens can mess with us..cloning..'enhancing'..experimenting..on any long term level..just does not seem to be something they would be 'allowed' to do either by other races or by a higher authority. We assume they have some free rein over us..but I don't' believe that. An abduction...might be considered a life experience...but cloning and then using those clones with such indifferance..is a moral big deal (for that cloned being) and I think that would raise way too many eye brows..and disallowed. It would corrupt a natural order. Or so I believe
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Post by lois on Apr 23, 2013 18:25:20 GMT -6
What would they do with our DNA .. the same thing years later. so what is the difference.. ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:16:25 GMT -6
Why would there be a need for cloning? While it's true that we have viable eggs and sperm, the fact is there is an alarming trend of infertility that's been rising over the years. This has been the result (scientifically speaking) of environmental factors, such as pollution. Do I think that they're cloning people? I don't know. Do I think that they're harvesting sperm and eggs? I don't know. When it comes down to all of this in regards to the abduction phenomenon, we are nowhere near close to answers that we've been seeking. There are some contactees who look at these beings as being from another place, planet, dimension, and so forth. I have no answers. Do I think that it's as simple as people being victims of their exposure to science fiction and TV? No, I think that the answer is much more simpler than that. I don't think I'm special and I don't think that they really care how I feel about anything. Do I want to wake up in a new body? No. I've lived in this body for 37 years and I'm ashamed to say that I'm still getting used to it. My reaction to the "dream" or memory (whatever it actually was) was sheer terror. I have no idea if it was just a dream, "real", or "literally real". It did it's job on me though: I found out that I wasn't special or unique. It destroyed another belief about myself: that I was all-important. We all know (those who've experienced this) that they can make you see anything. For all I know, I was looking at hybrids. Or myself in parallel dimensions. Who knows??? There is beautiful things about us. Our brains for example: each individual section of the brain contains millions of neurons and when you add them together, it's in the billions. But what of the heart? There are at least 40 thousand sensory neurons, the same kind that are found in the brain. IMO, we neglect to realize that we are so much more than what we give ourselves credit for. I honestly think that we're never going to find out the core reason why they're here and what they're doing to us. My experiences with them have not been pleasant. Keep in mind that what I'm saying is purely from my own experience. I know that when it comes to me, I've been looking at it all through human eyes. Angry at the injustice of it all. That's how I was for a long time. Not anymore. I believe that my life is what I make it and I believe that I chose this life. And that means (at least to me) that whatever comes my way, I can handle it and that I should actually try to understand it and not hide from it. For quite a few years, I refused to deal with any of it. So if I ignored it in one aspect, it would come through another facet. When I finally faced it for what it was, I finally felt free. I still have a long way to go and I'm still learning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 20:22:01 GMT -6
i will say I'm cloned.. but from my Grandpa on my Mothers side.. ;D wishmythos.. I did not know you were from Illinois also. Hi neighbor!! I'm from Bloomington. most everyone here knows that by now. You mentions Springfield is where yout sister lives. My Grand daughter seen a huge ufo over that area just before Easter. Took photos. Do you see many ufos near your area... more so now than ever before? I remember how in the old Science fiction movies they would have a huge ball with electricity bouncing around in it. Reminds me of the ball lightning I witnessed. They would talk to it like it was a brain. I always shied away from those. They made me very nervous. Star Trek even had a episode with this content. What I posted this thread .. It was more like feeling that they save you and save your mind separate. Does that sound crazy or what. These ideas did not come from any movie, as I could not stay in a room with that tuned in on the tube. Science is even moving forward into this direction. As of what I have read and heard. One Scientist said memories could be inherited. Like you think you have been in a place before and you know you have never been there. Maybe inherited thoughts. Guess I'm going off the deep end .. I have many outrages thoughts since my huge encounter, but just sounds too crazy to post. I sort of sneaked this one in. They did something to my brain first thought.. the rest followed.. I was just saying on another thread how I felt like the "me" that is my soul sort of settled into m mom when she was first pregnant and I seem to remember it. And once when I was "taken" I looked back and saw my body still in bed -- other times not, though, so I don't know what that means... Just thought I'd offer my own experience of being separate from a body. I am still very curious and puzzled about it and I think this is an interesting thread. Dawn, there is a book I read not too long ago and it speaks about what you've quoted here. It's called, "Life Between Life" by Joel Whitten and Joe Fisher. It's an interesting book. You should check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 9:47:27 GMT -6
There are different and varied experiences here and maybe some of them are not UFO related..but tied to some other source. We guess and we speculate but until 'they' are ready to come clean..we won't know. Naturally we keep looking for answers and some of them do seem pretty far fetched and maybe that is because we need to think it's something 'more' than just scientific curiosity. Maybe it's because being handled as some lower species doesn't settle well because on our planet..we're the intelligent species..and on some level we would like to find ourselves their equal or something they just find fascinating. No one wants to think we're a possible food source or some experiment to use us in ways we can't fathom. Some people report great experiences..others..frightening, painful ones with sometimes long lasting results. Some claim to have communication with them..some claim some 'friendship' and vast knowledge of them. Maybe all this variety is in someway a clue too. We don't even know they ARE aliens from other planets. They may be interdimensional..from an astral realm or demons having a joke at our expense and filling our heads with pure bunk. What ever they are..at least we have found a place where we can discuss it..share it so it doesn't drive us completely bats and feel we have some kinship to others. We've also learned to watch out for things that just seem too bizarre or too much information..or promises that never do come true...because sometimes we're given lies. How many times have 'seer's' told us about landings that were going to happen or other events that never materialize. I don't think the seer's are lying..I think we're being shown that 'they' call the ball not us. I think the best way to get to the truth..is by making the mind work to use all of it's senses..to arm ourselves in that fashion so it's harder to jerk our chain. IMO
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 10:00:04 GMT -6
There are different and varied experiences here and maybe some of them are not UFO related..but tied to some other source. We guess and we speculate but until 'they' are ready to come clean..we won't know. Naturally we keep looking for answers and some of them do seem pretty far fetched and maybe that is because we need to think it's something 'more' than just scientific curiosity. Maybe it's because being handled as some lower species doesn't settle well because on our planet..we're the intelligent species..and on some level we would like to find ourselves their equal or something they just find fascinating. No one wants to think we're a possible food source or some experiment to use us in ways we can't fathom. Some people report great experiences..others..frightening, painful ones with sometimes long lasting results. Some claim to have communication with them..some claim some 'friendship' and vast knowledge of them. Maybe all this variety is in someway a clue too. We don't even know they ARE aliens from other planets. They may be interdimensional..from an astral realm or demons having a joke at our expense and filling our heads with pure bunk. What ever they are..at least we have found a place where we can discuss it..share it so it doesn't drive us completely bats and feel we have some kinship to others. We've also learned to watch out for things that just seem too bizarre or too much information..or promises that never do come true...because sometimes we're given lies. How many times have 'seer's' told us about landings that were going to happen or other events that never materialize. I don't think the seer's are lying..I think we're being shown that 'they' call the ball not us. I think the best way to get to the truth..is by making the mind work to use all of it's senses..to arm ourselves in that fashion so it's harder to jerk our chain. IMO I agree.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 25, 2013 3:05:11 GMT -6
Why would there be a need for cloning? While it's true that we have viable eggs and sperm, the fact is there is an alarming trend of infertility that's been rising over the years. This has been the result (scientifically speaking) of environmental factors, such as pollution. Do I think that they're cloning people? I don't know. Do I think that they're harvesting sperm and eggs? I don't know. When it comes down to all of this in regards to the abduction phenomenon, we are nowhere near close to answers that we've been seeking. There are some contactees who look at these beings as being from another place, planet, dimension, and so forth. I have no answers. Do I think that it's as simple as people being victims of their exposure to science fiction and TV? No, I think that the answer is much more simpler than that. I don't think I'm special and I don't think that they really care how I feel about anything. Do I want to wake up in a new body? No. I've lived in this body for 37 years and I'm ashamed to say that I'm still getting used to it. My reaction to the "dream" or memory (whatever it actually was) was sheer terror. I have no idea if it was just a dream, "real", or "literally real". It did it's job on me though: I found out that I wasn't special or unique. It destroyed another belief about myself: that I was all-important. We all know (those who've experienced this) that they can make you see anything. For all I know, I was looking at hybrids. Or myself in parallel dimensions. Who knows??? There is beautiful things about us. Our brains for example: each individual section of the brain contains millions of neurons and when you add them together, it's in the billions. But what of the heart? There are at least 40 thousand sensory neurons, the same kind that are found in the brain. IMO, we neglect to realize that we are so much more than what we give ourselves credit for. I honestly think that we're never going to find out the core reason why they're here and what they're doing to us. My experiences with them have not been pleasant. Keep in mind that what I'm saying is purely from my own experience. I know that when it comes to me, I've been looking at it all through human eyes. Angry at the injustice of it all. That's how I was for a long time. Not anymore. I believe that my life is what I make it and I believe that I chose this life. And that means (at least to me) that whatever comes my way, I can handle it and that I should actually try to understand it and not hide from it. For quite a few years, I refused to deal with any of it. So if I ignored it in one aspect, it would come through another facet. When I finally faced it for what it was, I finally felt free. I still have a long way to go and I'm still learning. I'm proud of you for growing this much in the face of what has been so much fear and discomfort. I agree with you about needing to face things. It's funny, ever since I was a little kid if I had a nightmare where something was chasing me I would stop and turn around. I would aften say, "Why are you chasing me? I will be your friend and then you won't have to chase people."
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 25, 2013 3:07:25 GMT -6
I will! Thanks! ;-)
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Post by skywalker on Apr 25, 2013 17:36:52 GMT -6
I had a 'vision' a very long time ago..seeing the earth as an 'ark'. I thought I was fantasizing about a book to write..because it seemed very implausible. The sun of a star system was about to explode..and there were several inhabited worlds in the system. Nearby races that had the technology took DNA from those worlds (not the people because that was not feasible) but the building blocks for preserving the species..and brought that here to earth to grow. Still seems like a good book proposition but maybe it was more..and maybe they keep tabs on those subject lines to this day..maybe they keep the species alive by taking this DNA and moving it elsewhere in the Universe. It isn't the individual that is important..it is the species. We keep thinking of ourselves as having such importance...and we tend to want things much more complex because something simple is just...too easy. I don't think we are clones..I think we are spread all over the place though. So we might just be like a giant zoo and every so often the zookeepers show up and zap one of us so they can poke and prod and perform whatever little experiments they want to perform...changing our genetics however they see fit to do so. The Earth might be just one of a million zoo experiments scattered all over the universe and each planet could have its own version of humans on it...similar to one another in a lot of ways because of shared ancestral DNA but slightly different due to isolationary evolution and adaptations to different planetary environments. That might account for why so many aliens are described as having humanoid characteristics. I think that would be a good idea for a book, Jo. Or at least an episode of the Twilight Zone. So when do I get an autographed copy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 2:45:14 GMT -6
That's close to what I suspect. I think "Panspermia" may be a part of life's origin throughout the cosmos. This process may help explain why these entities are in many ways much like us (bi-pedal), yet different. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia Considering the same RNA/DNA, or similar, spread out across such a vast universe, given the math, opens up multiple possibilities to the existence of similar life forms, or even duplicate (at least one other twin or in close relation/proximity to) ourselves. Maybe somewhere throughout the process , in some places, "they" come along and tamper with/alter the genetics making modifications necessary for life to continually evolve and adapt to various planetary environments in multiple solar systems throughout this galaxy and others? It seems far fetched, yet possible. A form of "Direct Panspermia" if you will. After a star has gone through it's final stages, life once again travels on and finds a way to continue to flourish elsewhere. This hypothesis in no way conflicts with my spiritual beliefs. If anything, it is in close agreement with it. I don't set this in stone as my only belief because I try to stay open to various possibilities, it's just something I thought worthy of throwing out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 10:18:58 GMT -6
Why would there be a need for cloning? While it's true that we have viable eggs and sperm, the fact is there is an alarming trend of infertility that's been rising over the years. This has been the result (scientifically speaking) of environmental factors, such as pollution. Do I think that they're cloning people? I don't know. Do I think that they're harvesting sperm and eggs? I don't know. When it comes down to all of this in regards to the abduction phenomenon, we are nowhere near close to answers that we've been seeking. There are some contactees who look at these beings as being from another place, planet, dimension, and so forth. I have no answers. Do I think that it's as simple as people being victims of their exposure to science fiction and TV? No, I think that the answer is much more simpler than that. I don't think I'm special and I don't think that they really care how I feel about anything. Do I want to wake up in a new body? No. I've lived in this body for 37 years and I'm ashamed to say that I'm still getting used to it. My reaction to the "dream" or memory (whatever it actually was) was sheer terror. I have no idea if it was just a dream, "real", or "literally real". It did it's job on me though: I found out that I wasn't special or unique. It destroyed another belief about myself: that I was all-important. We all know (those who've experienced this) that they can make you see anything. For all I know, I was looking at hybrids. Or myself in parallel dimensions. Who knows??? There is beautiful things about us. Our brains for example: each individual section of the brain contains millions of neurons and when you add them together, it's in the billions. But what of the heart? There are at least 40 thousand sensory neurons, the same kind that are found in the brain. IMO, we neglect to realize that we are so much more than what we give ourselves credit for. I honestly think that we're never going to find out the core reason why they're here and what they're doing to us. My experiences with them have not been pleasant. Keep in mind that what I'm saying is purely from my own experience. I know that when it comes to me, I've been looking at it all through human eyes. Angry at the injustice of it all. That's how I was for a long time. Not anymore. I believe that my life is what I make it and I believe that I chose this life. And that means (at least to me) that whatever comes my way, I can handle it and that I should actually try to understand it and not hide from it. For quite a few years, I refused to deal with any of it. So if I ignored it in one aspect, it would come through another facet. When I finally faced it for what it was, I finally felt free. I still have a long way to go and I'm still learning. I love this. You sound so positive here ;D. I don't think I'm special, either. Pride is such a killer; of other people's spirits, and of course my own because with pride I won't seek for growth. I used to want attention, or at least some sort of acknowledgement for some task I had done. This was never to be the case. In fact, I have found that if I go looking for this, I end up feeling worse than just "unrecognized"! (and not just because I somehow end up even totally ignored ). I learned a lot of good sayings when I visited AA groups. Al-anon, Adult Children of Alcoholics, etc., so pardon me if I sound like one of "their commercials". "KISS" is "keep it simple, stupid", and I've always tried to go with an "Attitude of Gratitude". But mainly, and I've talked about this before, my mantra is "The Joy of the Lord is my Strength" (which is NOT from AA). How else am I going to get through all this?? ;D Anyway, I believe in a loving "entity" that is always around me. Whether this is "God", or a guardian angel, or something else more "alien", is yet to be seen. I do believe that I matter to "God", and when I don't consciously seek for human attention, I get spiritual rewards. "Spiritual Rewards" is hard to explain, and sometimes too personal. It has become just a confidence level, visible to myself and others, that I know I matter, and I seek to do the littlest, common place things, as if I think I do. There will always be some human that retorts that "I think I'm better than others" or the like, in just the way I carry myself on GOOD DAYS. To me, this is totally different than appearing like "I think I'm better" than picking up after someone else, etc.. You can't win, if you live your life to please others. But, it doesn't hurt to try, and you'll end up pleasing somebody, . I once told my daughters that the next "struggle" against our faith would be learning more about the idea of reincarnation (probably repeating myself). Now, I'm trying to incorporate the idea into the faith I already have . I won't go there because it is such a mystery, including really why some move on, and some seem to be "stuck" somewhere else. I don't believe in what I just said, but I do think there is some sort of "way station"; just that us humans here on Earth are not privy to it. As for memory being in our DNA, inherited genetically (Science has shown that offspring can retain some memory through their parents, ie: the fruit flies, of "events" that they did not themselves experience) and a sort of "soul memory" that should come with reincarnation (but is invariably hidden, or shut off), I also am of the "spiritual belief" that if a "spirit" is with us, It can reveal to us the things "it" has seen, and we can have a hard time understanding that this is separate from our own, personally experienced memories. It feels like it is coming from our own brain, does it not? With all the tech stuff this "alien" seems to have, I can't say cloning isn't possible. But why preserve my brain in a new body? That's the question. It's not an immortality thing, or an aging thing. I'm just the guinea pig to make it possible for some other, more important person. Someone who IS scared to age, or die, or maybe just wants to experience being human. Who knows? ;D The example I gave, about "Ted" (and he had so many things that were in synch., etc. about his life, and very believable), expressed that the material taken from cows and other livestock maybe served as a type of incubator. Going with this idea, that same material could have housed eggs and sperm. He gave reasons why he thought it was about cloning more than a "test-tube baby" scenario, and that was due to his own, personal, life experiences. Including Physical sensitivities that came up. We can easily say that the human body is having to adapt to environmental changes in order to survive. If our planet is changing quicker than we can keep up, what can be done? We can surely try to "save the planet". . . . I know that it is better for me and others if I have a "rewarding" experience in my time, life-span, alert on planet Earth. I don't want to waste time on feeling sorry for myself. I am a victim, there's no doubt about it any more, and most likely I will always be a "victim" of someone, or something else. I'm going to have some really bad days. So will You. How am I going to try to feel about my particular situation, whatever happens, in today? My body feels one way, my mind another, and still my heart another way. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 17:36:18 GMT -6
P.S. I don't think talking about this Alien Phenomenon, sharing my feelings about it, etc., constitutes "feeling sorry for myself'. I have come to believe that the way I most often express the term "feeling sorry for myself" is when I become frozen with inactivity. And there are times for that.
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Post by dawnoftime on Apr 28, 2013 9:31:25 GMT -6
Why would there be a need for cloning? While it's true that we have viable eggs and sperm, the fact is there is an alarming trend of infertility that's been rising over the years. This has been the result (scientifically speaking) of environmental factors, such as pollution. Do I think that they're cloning people? I don't know. Do I think that they're harvesting sperm and eggs? I don't know. When it comes down to all of this in regards to the abduction phenomenon, we are nowhere near close to answers that we've been seeking. There are some contactees who look at these beings as being from another place, planet, dimension, and so forth. I have no answers. Do I think that it's as simple as people being victims of their exposure to science fiction and TV? No, I think that the answer is much more simpler than that. I don't think I'm special and I don't think that they really care how I feel about anything. Do I want to wake up in a new body? No. I've lived in this body for 37 years and I'm ashamed to say that I'm still getting used to it. My reaction to the "dream" or memory (whatever it actually was) was sheer terror. I have no idea if it was just a dream, "real", or "literally real". It did it's job on me though: I found out that I wasn't special or unique. It destroyed another belief about myself: that I was all-important. We all know (those who've experienced this) that they can make you see anything. For all I know, I was looking at hybrids. Or myself in parallel dimensions. Who knows??? There is beautiful things about us. Our brains for example: each individual section of the brain contains millions of neurons and when you add them together, it's in the billions. But what of the heart? There are at least 40 thousand sensory neurons, the same kind that are found in the brain. IMO, we neglect to realize that we are so much more than what we give ourselves credit for. I honestly think that we're never going to find out the core reason why they're here and what they're doing to us. My experiences with them have not been pleasant. Keep in mind that what I'm saying is purely from my own experience. I know that when it comes to me, I've been looking at it all through human eyes. Angry at the injustice of it all. That's how I was for a long time. Not anymore. I believe that my life is what I make it and I believe that I chose this life. And that means (at least to me) that whatever comes my way, I can handle it and that I should actually try to understand it and not hide from it. For quite a few years, I refused to deal with any of it. So if I ignored it in one aspect, it would come through another facet. When I finally faced it for what it was, I finally felt free. I still have a long way to go and I'm still learning. I love this. You sound so positive here ;D. I don't think I'm special, either. Pride is such a killer; of other people's spirits, and of course my own because with pride I won't seek for growth. I used to want attention, or at least some sort of acknowledgement for some task I had done. This was never to be the case. In fact, I have found that if I go looking for this, I end up feeling worse than just "unrecognized"! (and not just because I somehow end up even totally ignored ). I learned a lot of good sayings when I visited AA groups. Al-anon, Adult Children of Alcoholics, etc., so pardon me if I sound like one of "their commercials". "KISS" is "keep it simple, stupid", and I've always tried to go with an "Attitude of Gratitude". But mainly, and I've talked about this before, my mantra is "The Joy of the Lord is my Strength" (which is NOT from AA). How else am I going to get through all this?? ;D Anyway, I believe in a loving "entity" that is always around me. Whether this is "God", or a guardian angel, or something else more "alien", is yet to be seen. I do believe that I matter to "God", and when I don't consciously seek for human attention, I get spiritual rewards. "Spiritual Rewards" is hard to explain, and sometimes too personal. It has become just a confidence level, visible to myself and others, that I know I matter, and I seek to do the littlest, common place things, as if I think I do. There will always be some human that retorts that "I think I'm better than others" or the like, in just the way I carry myself on GOOD DAYS. To me, this is totally different than appearing like "I think I'm better" than picking up after someone else, etc.. You can't win, if you live your life to please others. But, it doesn't hurt to try, and you'll end up pleasing somebody, . I once told my daughters that the next "struggle" against our faith would be learning more about the idea of reincarnation (probably repeating myself). Now, I'm trying to incorporate the idea into the faith I already have . I won't go there because it is such a mystery, including really why some move on, and some seem to be "stuck" somewhere else. I don't believe in what I just said, but I do think there is some sort of "way station"; just that us humans here on Earth are not privy to it. As for memory being in our DNA, inherited genetically (Science has shown that offspring can retain some memory through their parents, ie: the fruit flies, of "events" that they did not themselves experience) and a sort of "soul memory" that should come with reincarnation (but is invariably hidden, or shut off), I also am of the "spiritual belief" that if a "spirit" is with us, It can reveal to us the things "it" has seen, and we can have a hard time understanding that this is separate from our own, personally experienced memories. It feels like it is coming from our own brain, does it not? With all the tech stuff this "alien" seems to have, I can't say cloning isn't possible. But why preserve my brain in a new body? That's the question. It's not an immortality thing, or an aging thing. I'm just the guinea pig to make it possible for some other, more important person. Someone who IS scared to age, or die, or maybe just wants to experience being human. Who knows? ;D The example I gave, about "Ted" (and he had so many things that were in synch., etc. about his life, and very believable), expressed that the material taken from cows and other livestock maybe served as a type of incubator. Going with this idea, that same material could have housed eggs and sperm. He gave reasons why he thought it was about cloning more than a "test-tube baby" scenario, and that was due to his own, personal, life experiences. Including Physical sensitivities that came up. We can easily say that the human body is having to adapt to environmental changes in order to survive. If our planet is changing quicker than we can keep up, what can be done? We can surely try to "save the planet". . . . I know that it is better for me and others if I have a "rewarding" experience in my time, life-span, alert on planet Earth. I don't want to waste time on feeling sorry for myself. I am a victim, there's no doubt about it any more, and most likely I will always be a "victim" of someone, or something else. I'm going to have some really bad days. So will You. How am I going to try to feel about my particular situation, whatever happens, in today? My body feels one way, my mind another, and still my heart another way. ;D This was such an inspiring set of reflections. I think you sum up very nicely the kinds of contradictions and unknowns that we sometimes struggle with and sometimes accept. I think it is difficult at times to simply remain in this state of "not knowing." Yet, as the ancient sages point out (cross culturally) this is the state of things.
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