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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 10:21:17 GMT -6
If we knew where we were headed we would most likely change our approach..the path of getting there and it wouldn't be the same trip. Psychics (myself I include) can not see the 'big picture' if they say they can..they're not being truthful. We can see elements of individual lives..fragments and pieces that give small head's up and help others to deal with those elements. A client would ask..what about money? Am I going to get a windfall of money? People inevitably want to be 'given' rather than earn....it's a little sad that in the years I did this for a living at least 80% of all questions were about money, then sort of a tie between family and health...far less about the spiritual and the funny thing is..it's that last that would have helped them with all of the above. The simplest thing I can say about the detriment of cloning is you CANNOT clone a soul..that is a fact. So..if their aim were to study us by making replications..we could never be the same...so what would be the point? We are individuals..created to be so. Maybe we should have a warning like DVDs do..any attempt to duplicate this disc will be met with utter failure
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 11:21:42 GMT -6
As I tried to imply, I think cloning would be done to serve as a repository for some soul. I still don't think the human race was created by some "alien race", but I believe that this is one of the things they are trying. In the past, this also fits with what they were trying to do (workers) and the current thoughts on the greys. I don't know. I would like to believe that some of the alien "tries", became a way to improve on us, the real thing. Surely some of the aliens become riddled with compassion, much like we do for animals. Obviously there is some sort of "turmoil" among the alien ranks, lest they all join together. I think this is it. Some of "them" really believe that they have come to love us .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 23:21:45 GMT -6
Well Star Trek implied all of these alien races getting along together with only the occasional death battle..we can't know if in reality they even acknowledge each other let alone condone some conservatorship over earthlings. If I were God..and I do believe we are all in part of God..I wouldn't want one of my kids messing around in the lab trying to be God and I would want to take care of my souls myself. I am only speaking of myself as God..not for God.. This too much implies they have a back door into spiritual issues that I'm not ready to accept...yet. Naturally we're all going to have our own beliefs about this and we will no doubt one day actually know the truth of it all
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 21:01:09 GMT -6
This too much implies they have a back door into spiritual issues that I'm not ready to accept...yet. You're telling me!! I don't know WHERE I first heard mention that someone thought "they" were involved in the "reincarnation process". I'm just trying to process, period .
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 30, 2013 23:49:04 GMT -6
Maybe they are abducting people looking for specific individuals and that is why some are only taken once while others are taken throughout their lifetimes, implanted, and their children, etc. are also taken...I remember a case I read where this man was taken later in life and he heard the beings saying after some basic tests that he 'doesn't have the right stuff'. Which is what led me down the rabbit hole that also led to a series of synchronicity and events and or resources that eventually led me to what I now semi-conclude. (I say semi because I am always open to being proven incorrect.) However, I have a what I believe to be a very strong theory to this, though I'm certain many of you do not want to hear it or even consider it could be why they take us. SO I will leave you with the initial question at the beginning of my post, for now.
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Post by dawnoftime on May 1, 2013 9:30:26 GMT -6
Maybe they are abducting people looking for specific individuals and that is why some are only taken once while others are taken throughout their lifetimes, implanted, and their children, etc. are also taken...I remember a case I read where this man was taken later in life and he heard the beings saying after some basic tests that he 'doesn't have the right stuff'. Which is what led me down the rabbit hole that also led to a series of synchronicity and events and or resources that eventually led me to what I now semi-conclude. (I say semi because I am always open to being proven incorrect.) However, I have a what I believe to be a very strong theory to this, though I'm certain many of you do not want to hear it or even consider it could be why they take us. SO I will leave you with the initial question at the beginning of my post, for now. "semi-conclude" !!! I LOVE this! Hurray for that notion! I have my own theories, which I think are closer to yours, citizenk -- I am reminded daily here that you and I had such different experiences from most everyone else and my theories would probably not be shared, either. Curiouser and curiouser...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 10:20:33 GMT -6
I think all of the questions about 'them' will outlive us and I don't think they are interested in us as individuals.. I don't think we're special or star children or white lighters I think we are different and that interests them. As for experiences being different..well I've never encountered an insectoid, a reptillian, a nordic or santa..and I don't much like the grey's I met..depending on the ones doing the abducting..the encounter might be really different. I also believe we're not as select a group as we think..I think there are thousands of abductees who have not remembered yet maybe some never will. As for abductions..I think Lois has the most interesting and longsest running encounter of anyone I know. I also think it's really interesting that most of us talk about it...but haven't been hypnotized..suppose that is in some suggestion they gave us..not to be?
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Post by dawnoftime on May 1, 2013 10:37:38 GMT -6
I think all of the questions about 'them' will outlive us and I don't think they are interested in us as individuals.. I don't think we're special or star children or white lighters I think we are different and that interests them. As for experiences being different..well I've never encountered an insectoid, a reptillian, a nordic or santa..and I don't much like the grey's I met..depending on the ones doing the abducting..the encounter might be really different. I also believe we're not as select a group as we think..I think there are thousands of abductees who have not remembered yet maybe some never will. As for abductions..I think Lois has the most interesting and longsest running encounter of anyone I know. I also think it's really interesting that most of us talk about it...but haven't been hypnotized..suppose that is in some suggestion they gave us..not to be? Yes, I edge toward your way of thinking when it comes to this whole thing being on a far greater scale than people would even begin to consider. It is all so complex -- I sure agree about that, too. Since I have been writing a lot about zoo stuff, I'll use that example. During the 13 years I worked with gorillas, I knew many, many researchers. They all had different agendas, even though the setting the principle players, and the goal of research was the same. Some ,just wanted to finish up required course work. Some wanted to make a life of studying primates because it was interesting and exciting and in these ranks people had varying degrees of connection with the actual gorillas they were working with. I (and possibly one other person) were the only ones that flet an overwhelming connection to these gorillas and would have characterized our feelings as love, as a family connection. Could it be the same with the creatures we have all encountered? I believe it when people tell me that their experiences were that they felt no love whatsoever from their abductors. I equally believe those who feel neutral or have had very positive experiences. I feel that those who contacted me "love" me -- in a way that is unique. Could this be because I have an unconscious wish to be special...because my parents didn't take care of me, etc? Sure that is possible. After a lot of soul searching and having access to the rich treasure trove of this site, I have (semi) concluded that it doesn't matter. The questions are very interesting to probe, but as you say, JK, they are likely to outlive us. What I do as a result of my experiences is what is important now. I sure do appreciate all these points of view.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 17:37:43 GMT -6
Ahh this place is very special because of it's points of view. Everyone shares and very few outright believe everything they read We're lucky to have you
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Post by dawnoftime on May 1, 2013 17:50:09 GMT -6
Ahh this place is very special because of it's points of view. Everyone shares and very few outright believe everything they read We're lucky to have you I feel the same way!
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Post by lois on May 1, 2013 19:19:47 GMT -6
Many abductees say they took my memory. So I just wonder what the heck for? What good is a memory with out some living being to shell it? Any suggestions? DNA and memory? I did have a dream last night and I believe it was because of this thread. No truth in it.. I witnessed animals in those tubes. ;D ;D
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Post by lois on May 1, 2013 19:38:52 GMT -6
Delores Cannon ..
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Post by lois on May 1, 2013 19:51:46 GMT -6
Is there any members here who have read her books?
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Post by auntym on May 1, 2013 20:33:55 GMT -6
Is there any members here who have read her books? hi lois... i think i've read all her books... i'm a big fan of hers... i've not seen these videos and i can't wait to watch them... thanks for sharing...
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Post by lois on May 1, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -6
Is there any members here who have read her books? hi lois... i think i've read all her books... i'm a big fan of hers... i've not seen these videos and i can't wait to watch them... thanks for sharing... There are many more of her lectures on u tube .. just follow this video after it ends. I for one have never read one book she has wrote.
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Post by CitizenK on May 1, 2013 22:18:45 GMT -6
I have read all of her books and watched the interviews she does as well...I do not agree with all of her 'takes' on this subject, but certainly feel that she is closer to what I have concluded is going on than most others in this arena. I love her, she reminds me of my mom, very matter of fact and forthright in her opinions. lol
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Post by CitizenK on May 2, 2013 0:56:32 GMT -6
i know right! There is just something about her, she is such a light!
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Post by lois on May 3, 2013 20:21:11 GMT -6
thank you for this link.. I guess it could happen someday.. If it was ever done here these aliens sure have that knowledge.. The morning after my missing time caught in the beam. I told my husband still half asleep. They are time travelers.. from our future. My mind has played on that now for years . Why would we come back here. For one thing.. if cloning ever took us to look like these thin sick beings .. I would want to go back and either change that history when we first started cloning . Or maybe get back our original DNA . Reverse engineering . so to speak. Rebuild . It would not mean changed the pass only to retrieve it into there present time. One big speculation. I know I would never think along those lines if the memories had just been covered up when I spoke to my husband. Somehow a few things was still there that next morning. .. Even if there is no human cloned I think we should all take a closer look at what we would be getting ourselves into.. Science someday may do away with diseases which we could all benefit from but to change it with cloning is outrages.
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Post by CitizenK on May 3, 2013 21:57:57 GMT -6
Isn't he currently in prison for this? I know he was arrested along with several others in his group, but can't remember if he is still in or not...as for the reasons we might need to come back from the future and fix our DNA , my best guess would be too many monsanto type foods would be our demise of good genetic materials. I am an advocate of knowing what you eat and drink and what they are putting in things that are actually making us sick. i.e. fluoride in the water, mercury in the vaccines, aspartame in everything, and then you have the genetically modified foods...not to mention the water, air, and soil contaminates. You want to label something evil? Look at it from the native's perspective, anything and everything that makes you 'sick' is the true evils of this planet.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 16:34:34 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't think my ideas on the future of cloning are unrealistic. I just don't know WHERE I get these ideas from.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 16:38:54 GMT -6
I used to think our "alien friends" were "us" from the future. Seriously. I can remember thinking this way, and partially using it to "blow off" the encounters I've had as harmless.
I no longer think any of this is harmless. I think that the time-traveler thought is a plant.
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Post by CitizenK on May 6, 2013 0:31:51 GMT -6
JC, I think if it is , you planted it not them. As I just said in another post, our mind is tricky and will give you what you want when things are difficult, whether that be in the form of images or thoughts or plain ole blocking you from remembering it.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 9:51:53 GMT -6
Over the years I've come to believe that the mind will supply what it has a problem identifying with...or sugar coating things to be less alarming...or shelving something for a later date when it might be faced with better clarity. It may be a reason why we get so many differing alien experiences. I keep expecting someone to be abducted by teddy bears..but I guess that just isn't really in keeping with the concept of 'abduction'. I know people will stuff molestation and abuse into the recesses of the brain until something triggers the memory that can no longer be suppressed. I think this may happen with abduction more than the aliens putting a memory hex on. I suppressed mine because I was very young and absolutely without the ability or support to cope. My friend repressed hers completely out of existence. If I were abducted by some human creep I would have had 'identifiers' and the support of parents..I could understand kidnapping and my kidnapper would be human. As a 5 year old..my mind screamed 'bug' and I went tearing through the house hollering that a big bug crawled in my ear and was 'talking' to me. Makes perfect logical sense to me today. As a child..that is exactly how it seemed. As a teenager..I didn't have a clue what the devil it could be..I hadn't ever been to a doctor even ..much less had invasive and intrusive samples taken from areas that had never been um..explored or exploited..LOL. So now it seems really logical that I couldn't go there in my mind at all. I think we protect ourselves a lot more than we think we do and we're also capable of creating some really elaborate 'scenarios' too, or so methinks
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Post by dawnoftime on May 6, 2013 16:24:27 GMT -6
Over the years I've come to believe that the mind will supply what it has a problem identifying with...or sugar coating things to be less alarming...or shelving something for a later date when it might be faced with better clarity. It may be a reason why we get so many differing alien experiences. I keep expecting someone to be abducted by teddy bears..but I guess that just isn't really in keeping with the concept of 'abduction'. I know people will stuff molestation and abuse into the recesses of the brain until something triggers the memory that can no longer be suppressed. I think this may happen with abduction more than the aliens putting a memory hex on. I suppressed mine because I was very young and absolutely without the ability or support to cope. My friend repressed hers completely out of existence. If I were abducted by some human creep I would have had 'identifiers' and the support of parents..I could understand kidnapping and my kidnapper would be human. As a 5 year old..my mind screamed 'bug' and I went tearing through the house hollering that a big bug crawled in my ear and was 'talking' to me. Makes perfect logical sense to me today. As a child..that is exactly how it seemed. As a teenager..I didn't have a clue what the devil it could be..I hadn't ever been to a doctor even ..much less had invasive and intrusive samples taken from areas that had never been um..explored or exploited..LOL. So now it seems really logical that I couldn't go there in my mind at all. I think we protect ourselves a lot more than we think we do and we're also capable of creating some really elaborate 'scenarios' too, or so methinks I agree with you and CK on this. The mind can be very "tricksy and false" (are there any Tolkein fans out there?) Yet another reason I am trying even harder than normal to accept and love everyone -- I don't want to add to any disconnection or cruelty simply because my mind is playing tricks on me and telling me someone "is not like me." :-) XO
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 17:26:57 GMT -6
(are there any Tolkein fans out there?) You Bet! Well, I'm not of the belief that "they" take our memories. I think we just lose those ourselves because of the trauma. Like Lois said recently, "What would they do with them?" I think "they" count on us humans FORGETTING quite a bit, even if they did have one of those zappers that make you forget the whole scene . Saying that, my next thought is the "power of suggestion". Like we talked before about some of their "seeming hypnotist skill probability". (me) Let's see, I'm remembering something. . . . (them) yeah, jcurio, you're remembering something I just showed you. . . and don't worry about us. We're just here to change some things about the past. . . . (me, kind of groggy) um, yeah. thanks. I feel like my memory is affected because of their drugs (or whatever) AND my traumatic response. I can't win. Otherwise I have some disease not yet detected that makes me feel like big chunks (memories?) of my life are gone, and in their place are these stooped dreams I have that really don't mean a thing .
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Post by lois on May 6, 2013 21:51:44 GMT -6
(are there any Tolkein fans out there?) You Bet! Well, I'm not of the belief that "they" take our memories. I think we just lose those ourselves because of the trauma. Like Lois said recently, "What would they do with them?" I think "they" count on us humans FORGETTING quite a bit, even if they did have one of those zappers that make you forget the whole scene . Saying that, my next thought is the "power of suggestion". Like we talked before about some of their "seeming hypnotist skill probability". (me) Let's see, I'm remembering something. . . . (them) yeah, jcurio, you're remembering something I just showed you. . . and don't worry about us. We're just here to change some things about the past. . . . (me, kind of groggy) um, yeah. thanks. I feel like my memory is affected because of their drugs (or whatever) AND my traumatic response. I can't win. Otherwise I have some disease not yet detected that makes me feel like big chunks (memories?) of my life are gone, and in their place are these stooped dreams I have that really don't mean a thing . I agree with you as I may have the missing time blocked from my own self. Too horrible to remember.. but: The memory I was referring to is not about missing time. It is my memory from birth all the way up to that day I was abducted. i know how stupid it sounds but anything is possible when it comes to an alien mind. We have no idea what they might do.. or for what reason. We cannot reason out anything they do.. I think there is a purpose. They kept it as a record of you even after you are gone, Don't ask me why. When I get a feeling something is true I usually can tell . It is like one knowing and not knowing why or how they know. If that makes sense to any of you... It does to me. I say this a lot .. ;D But one day my niece told me . I know this is true Aunt Lois but I do not know how I know. I just know when it is true whether something or someone has revealed it to me. It does not matter. I thought Wow she understands it.. It is sort of like faith.. Like those earthquakes how do I know for sure. I feel it is true on the ones I have no doubt about ....When I was a little girl my Mother ask me the same question. How do you know for sure. I told her I just know.
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Post by dawnoftime on May 7, 2013 1:22:53 GMT -6
I don't think that sounds stupid at all, Lois! You are very wise and I always learn a lot from you! I think faith is an important thing for us to have as we balance it with reason -- we need both. I agree with you that memories are an interesting thing. For some reason not only did I have a terrific memory before my accident, but I also had memories I shouldn't have had -- for example, I had a surgical procedure done and they ended up using a light anaesthetic along with Rohypnol -- the date rape drug. The theory being that I would in no way remember the operation or the pain. Wrong. I kept trying to say during the whole operation, "Your hurting me! Stop!" but I couldn't move or speak. And I remember almost everything that happened when I was in that coma from asthma, which people aren't supposed to remember (especially because after the initial slipping into a coma they kept me there with drugs to "help my body heal") and lastly, I had someone use a date rape drug on me once and I remembered everything that happened from those moments on. Weird. I wonder what it is about my brain that won't be subdued. I'm not sure that is a good thing...
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 5:23:10 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying, Lois. I don't know. I think that those kind of memory-keeping is by G_d. "They" may be able to record (or capture) some scene in your time-line, and try to project it as your memory, if you saw it later. Let's say you shared this scene with 2 other people, would the same scene look the same to all 3 of you (if you saw it later).? Sorry. I was going with the idea of why would they need it. With their technology, they may have the capacity to record large chunks of our life experiences, right through our own eyes . But on how many people? It makes me kind of lean again towards our memory being held in our DNA, somehow. Then (possibly) someone could just tap into our DNA to retrieve what they want. But again, why?
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