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Post by dawnoftime on May 7, 2013 11:26:20 GMT -6
Thre is an interesting idea out there that memory isn't stored within a person's brain, but that it is an active part of the sub-atomic environment and we simply access it. However that resonant memory is activated in this environment -- by what we would consider an "individual" -- determines who has access to it and how much of it. So, since each person is in some ways unique in the universe, they have access to their personal memories in a way no one else does; there are exceptions, of course, like people who are very sensitive and can see someone else's experiences in what we consider a psychic way. As one moves out from the individual, access to those memories ripple out in wider circles: family memories, community memories, species memories, etc. But from this framework memories are not "things" they are living components. Maybe that is one way to explain how alien contact seems to change or erase memory -- the memories, as dynamic components, are able to change shape, like 4-dimensional liquid rather than something chiselled on a rock.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on May 7, 2013 20:11:20 GMT -6
If these "aliens" are telepathic and can read people's minds than it is conceivable that they could have access to people's memories also. And if they are telepathic they could then share that information amongst themselves so that the information would always be stored, not in a machine or storage device, but in their own memories. That knowledge could live forever being shared from one generation to another. I just had a thought pop into my brain. People always wonder why any ET race would be interested in us. What if they are harvesting our knowledge? If they could access all of the information that every person on this planet has and share that information in their collective conscious "storage bank" imagine how much they could learn about us, our world and everything we know. What we know as individuals may be insignificant when compared to that of an advanced race but the knowledge of seven billion people could be pretty significant. Just a thought.
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Post by auntym on May 7, 2013 22:31:33 GMT -6
I just had a thought pop into my brain. People always wonder why any ET race would be interested in us. What if they are harvesting our knowledge? Just a thought. ;D ... i can't imagine why they'd want our knowledge... we are probably on the low end of the intelligence meter compared to them... LOL
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Post by skywalker on May 7, 2013 22:57:24 GMT -6
You never know, auntym. Think of how much we could learn about the ocean if we could access the thoughts and memories of a dolphin or a whale. I bet it would make for some interesting reading anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 3:37:02 GMT -6
If these "aliens" are telepathic and can read people's minds than it is conceivable that they could have access to people's memories also. And if they are telepathic they could then share that information amongst themselves so that the information would always be stored, not in a machine or storage device, but in their own memories. That knowledge could live forever being shared from one generation to another. I just had a thought pop into my brain. People always wonder why any ET race would be interested in us. What if they are harvesting our knowledge? If they could access all of the information that every person on this planet has and share that information in their collective conscious "storage bank" imagine how much they could learn about us, our world and everything we know. What we know as individuals may be insignificant when compared to that of an advanced race but the knowledge of seven billion people could be pretty significant. Just a thought. When that thing pushed deep into my nasal area my life's memories went back in time at a fast rate. I could visually see everything I had ever done or thought flash by in a matter of seconds. What did they (it) want ? I believe it was the very last memory it pulled up which was information about a child I went to the second grade with in California.
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Post by lois on May 8, 2013 10:41:40 GMT -6
If these "aliens" are telepathic and can read people's minds than it is conceivable that they could have access to people's memories also. And if they are telepathic they could then share that information amongst themselves so that the information would always be stored, not in a machine or storage device, but in their own memories. That knowledge could live forever being shared from one generation to another. I just had a thought pop into my brain. People always wonder why any ET race would be interested in us. What if they are harvesting our knowledge? If they could access all of the information that every person on this planet has and share that information in their collective conscious "storage bank" imagine how much they could learn about us, our world and everything we know. What we know as individuals may be insignificant when compared to that of an advanced race but the knowledge of seven billion people could be pretty significant. Just a thought. When that thing pushed deep into my nasal area my life's memories went back in time at a fast rate. I could visually see everything I had ever done or thought flash by in a matter of seconds. What did they (it) want ? I believe it was the very last memory it pulled up which was information about a child I went to the second grade with in California. wow cliff. .. My problem is I do not remember anything. Only being in the street looking up at the ufo and next second standing in the beam 3 hours and 38 minutes later. Yes I checked the living room clock right away. But not because of the missing time but to see how my son had been so sound asleep in a few minutes of going into the house before any of this happened. Or even today I would not know the time. Guess I would of been pretty much drowsy in the morning. My husband let me sleep . kid were watching Saturday morning Cartoons. I sleep til around 11 am. Sky has confirmed for me it was a Friday as he went and search out a calender of 1972. I always knew there was no moon. The sky was so black except for that beam. I knew the date as it was the only meteorite shower I knew of at the time. This is what my son and I was outdoors for that night. I thought maybe they may of put something on my head to take memories and it caused my brain damage. My spine hurts all the time back of the neck. I have never been able to keep my head up since. Thanks for the reply..
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 21:01:53 GMT -6
When that thing pushed deep into my nasal area my life's memories went back in time at a fast rate. I could visually see everything I had ever done or thought flash by in a matter of seconds. What did they (it) want ? I believe it was the very last memory it pulled up which was information about a child I went to the second grade with in California. I'm glad everyone is clarifying . I believe you, Cliff. A "moment" ago, I felt like the argument was trying to lean towards the idea that the memory loss was not intentional. Someone could easily talk about brain material being directly behind your nasal cavity, and how pushing some sort of device against or into it, would cause you to "See" your life pass before your eyes. But up to that particular moment in time? We can't go on thinking that some people's experiences contain "random" information, just because it means nothing to us personally. I'm talking about this group of friends here. Those of us that are talking actively should have a level of trust with one another, that enables us to side-step some of the confusion. Cliff, you've had some time to try and personally analyze why the "memory gathering" (for lack of terms) stopped on this person you know of from your childhood. I trust that something has been revealed to you (by yourself or Other) about this, or you have come to the conclusion that it is an unexplainable (for now )anomaly. It is an anomaly, none the less. Can you share with us?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 23:38:14 GMT -6
I believe they wanted to know what happened to him. Here is what I know.
I went to the second grade in Turlock, California. I had just made friends with a classmate just a few days before it happened. Our teacher walked in the room crying and made a sad announcement. She said he and his parents had been involved in a bad accident. They were sitting at a red light when an eighteen wheeler behind them didn't stop but instead ran right over their vehicle. His parents died on the scene. He had severe head trauma and would be forced to wear a helmet type device on his head because of the injuries. I have tried to think outside of the box at times and have often wondered if they couldn't find him because of that device.
When the entity was retrieving info from me he was the very last thought or scene that came to mind. I knew the information they were wanting was about him for some reason.
As for the pain it inflicted on me,it could have been a side effect of the procedure. I have my suspicions however, that it was caused by an implant or sample extraction. Why else would my left ear immediately begin ringing like an alarm had gone off just by mentioning the word "implant" ?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 8:49:05 GMT -6
I believe they wanted to know what happened to him. Here is what I know. I went to the second grade in Turlock, California. I had just made friends with a classmate just a few days before it happened. Our teacher walked in the room crying and made a sad announcement. She said he and his parents had been involved in a bad accident. They were sitting at a red light when an eighteen wheeler behind them didn't stop but instead ran right over their vehicle. His parents died on the scene. He had severe head trauma and would be forced to wear a helmet type device on his head because of the injuries. I have tried to think outside of the box at times and have often wondered if they couldn't find him because of that device. When the entity was retrieving info from me he was the very last thought or scene that came to mind. I knew the information they were wanting was about him for some reason. As for the pain it inflicted on me,it could have been a side effect of the procedure. I have my suspicions however, that it was caused by an implant or sample extraction. Why else would my left ear immediately begin ringing like an alarm had gone off just by mentioning the word "implant" ? Wow. (and after I asked this question of you, Cliff, I did see that you talked about your "main" encounter again on another thread. I had no desire to come back and delete my question, or any thing like that, but I didn't want to read your encounter, right then. I will now. Again, It just feels like we are supposed to know certain things. I have this faith, that we each have something we know, there is a reason we know, and we are supposed (even though "they" believe that it will never happen) to share this information, and solve something, together. Sometimes I call it puzzle pieces. Sometimes I call it bread crumbs. It does keep me talking to people .
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 9:20:31 GMT -6
Ok, now I'm partly in shock after reading Cliff's experience he remembers. I always am. It's really like I hold my breath too long, but it feels like shock.
My next thought is, "This is the one he remembers". How many more visits are there? What does this episode have in it, that it is so important, that Cliff was able to overcome a drugged, paralyzed feeling, with much pain?
Even if no one thinks that Cliff's calling on Jesus really helped, that he just passed out anyway, and "they" were leaving, I think the fact that he mentions he was a hard-core Christian at this time, has something to do with his ability to remember such detail.
Yes, I'm saying that my faith in Jesus Christ does not give me immunity to these visits by "them". But I'm also saying that this faith in Jesus makes them have to totally work with my subconscious now. Even to the point of stirring up my memories, and playing games with certain past memories, so I will forget to call on Jesus, even in my subconscious. They always try to take me to a point where my faith in Jesus is immature.
Enough said about that, for now.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 9:27:24 GMT -6
Thank You, Cliff.
Your observations sound "sound" to me. Even about the helmet.
How maddening, to not understand why you can't find someone. And yes, I picture them getting mad. I picture them afraid, sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 20:50:28 GMT -6
Greetings, Everyone!
I've been out for a while pursuing another avenue. I would check in from time to time to see what was going on, but didn't post anything. I had recently made a new friend who I had walked with for a time. In my search, my friend had pointed out a couple books that the late Karla Turner had wrote. I had heard the name before but hadn't read any of her research. The issue came up about the 'dream' that I had involving the clones of myself. In an earlier post, I had described the 'dream' and how it really disturbed me. I had hoped that it was only a dream and that was it. As I was talking to my friend one day, she had pointed me to the book "Taken" by Karla Turner because she said that she thought that the subject of clones were mentioned. Curiosity won out and I decided to read the book. You see, I try to limit what I read and watch on the internet because it feels that if I look too much, then it will pull me over the edge. So I take a little at a time. Reading that book took me off the deep end. Many things that I felt, thought, and saw where in that book. The subject of clones was mentioned here and there with certain abductees. Here is a quote from page 134:
"But by far the most alarming evidence of alien technology concerns the "new" bodies and "clones" that they manufacture. Whether these are really bodies for a future human "resurrection," as Pat was told, remains to be seen, for other explanations have been given. In a case privately reported, for instance, a man was told that a duplicate of his body could be used to "replace" him if he didn't "cooperate" with the aliens."
So my question is this: is this really happening or is this just a tactic that's being employed to ensure that they get the cooperation that they desire? Even by telling myself that this was just a dream, to this day it still bothers me.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 26, 2013 21:24:00 GMT -6
I think they are not above saying whatever they have to say to get people to do whatever it is that they want them to do. They don't exactly have a reputation for being honest. then again, nobody knows what it is they are really up to so who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 10:33:41 GMT -6
I think it depends on the individual and the situation. My friend and I were 16...it was the 60's and we were so clueless..it was nothing short of traumatic and terrifying and I figure my brain moved to protect me (friend's also). Today...maybe armed with more knowledge..because aliens and UFO's are daily words..maybe I would react differently. That day was chaotic with FBI agents chasing us and being on the wrong horses..the burn on my neck but having no memory of the 'aliens' until so many years later..and then it was a scorching angry memory. I am not sure they tried to make us forget anything..I think our own minds did that and my friends is still not there...she can't even remember the other odd events. I don't think there is ONE criteria...any more than I think they have a rule book for abduction. I do know my own brain does move to protect me. When I was 18 and very pregnant..I was bored one night and playing solitaire. Because I was bored..I started pulling out one card and 'guessing' what it was ..then waiting until the game was over to learn what it really was. I guessed it 6 times in a row. And it terrified me so badly that I couldn't do that again. Still it pops out in other ways..after that..it was knowing the sex of children unborn..I've never been wrong. What I learned was..if something frightens me..the brain puts the skids on...so maybe the 'aliens' have some help in the forget it department.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 16:25:00 GMT -6
I think it depends on the individual and the situation. My friend and I were 16...it was the 60's and we were so clueless..it was nothing short of traumatic and terrifying and I figure my brain moved to protect me (friend's also). Today...maybe armed with more knowledge..because aliens and UFO's are daily words..maybe I would react differently. That day was chaotic with FBI agents chasing us and being on the wrong horses..the burn on my neck but having no memory of the 'aliens' until so many years later..and then it was a scorching angry memory. I am not sure they tried to make us forget anything..I think our own minds did that and my friends is still not there...she can't even remember the other odd events. I don't think there is ONE criteria...any more than I think they have a rule book for abduction. I do know my own brain does move to protect me. When I was 18 and very pregnant..I was bored one night and playing solitaire. Because I was bored..I started pulling out one card and 'guessing' what it was ..then waiting until the game was over to learn what it really was. I guessed it 6 times in a row. And it terrified me so badly that I couldn't do that again. Still it pops out in other ways..after that..it was knowing the sex of children unborn..I've never been wrong. What I learned was..if something frightens me..the brain puts the skids on...so maybe the 'aliens' have some help in the forget it department. I agree, Jo. I do think that it depends on the individual. The fact that they have an intimate knowledge of our physiology tips the scales in their favor, every time.
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Post by sunbow on Sept 3, 2013 16:11:24 GMT -6
It has taken me a while to get through this thread, both because I have limited time and because so many interesting things have been said. I have read a part, then come back to it, but I believe it inspired a dream, so I will share that last. I will add my two cents from different perspectives.
Memory :: I do not think it is stored in the brain. There is muscle memory. I kind of think it is a quantum There is also something left behind in the environment. Take an old ring and meditate with it and I believe you will get impressions which the wearer imbued it with; perhaps not quite memories, yet very unique energy of that person. Often siblings will remember the same event with vastly different points of view, especially in interpreting their parents emotions and intents. This is their perception and makes the memory. This means memory is very far from recording events, it really records how an individuals consciousness experiences events.
Why would they want our memories? :: (1) If the aliens are biologically enhanced machines or work with intelligent machines, then having a few sets of memories from a living being could be very helpful in a machine intelligence gaining awareness about what us organic beings are about. (2) The grays told Whitley Streiber that they were the 'Recyclers of Souls'. Annie, his wife, collected a vast number of letters and many referred to seeing the dead with the grays. She concluded that they were involved with the souls who transitioned and are on the other side as much as they work with souls on this side. Makes sense in the fact that some psychic people perceive people who pass, especially right after the transition, so if they are more conscious beings, they would perhaps always perceive that realm.
Our status: I think it is in error to say we are lowly beings. We are at the cutting edge of present evolution. Our technology is primitive. Many peoples spiritual state is lowly (since they compromise acting as loving beings). Yet, we may have abilities (such as precognition and clairvoyance) which are very rare. Even though we may not have come into our true potential, it may be extremely vast.
Clones: In the Sanskrit text Shimad Bhagavatum there is a story about a great king who was greatly loved, but had no son. When he died and all the people lamented, the 'gods' took a piece of his body, churned it, and made a new copy of him. Although the new king looked and sounded just like the old king, his heart was not loving and the people lamented.
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I dream I am a person with no memory, like an amnesia case. It is me, but not the me that has lived my current life. I encounter people and learn, but I do not have my memories to relate to. I encounter a woman who seems to understand and takes my hand and helps and leads me forward. I am confused about her intent, but we part to sleep in separate homes or rooms.
The feeling is that I am aware of this other me, like there were two of me. It reminds me of the stories of the double. If a clone could be created and grown quickly, could I as one person have awareness that filtered out of two bodies? I did in this dream. Though I did not know myself to be sleeping, I knew my mind and history, yet I also wandered as this other me who did not know my life. It was like there were two of me. It was revelatory in that what is 'me', my essence and consciousness, was not dependent on my memories. 'Me' was more of a quality of consciousness or a way of feeling. - I am still contemplating the sensations of this dream, but this brings us back to memories.
----- Memories: If due to the hyper-vigilance of the state of shock of being with an alien of higher consciousness, which telepathically interfaces with our brain we are propelled into 'dream-time', the astral state where we dream, then how cohesive would our memories be. It seems like the vast number of reports indicate that something like this happens to us and that is why even though they are physical encounters, we are dreaming our way through them. I read 3 Dolores Canon books and it appears like hypnosis also has this kind of effect, we get some memories, but they are viewed through the medium of dream-time. I like her and her energy, but I must say that some very bad science gets reported by a few of her subjects, making any conclusions based on her work sketchy.
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Post by sunbow on Sept 6, 2013 20:33:35 GMT -6
Here is an interesting site about reincarnation. I had read some of Ian Stevenson's books years ago, but it seems they are now rare. There is an example of 'split reincarnation' or 'parallel lives': but, I have trouble accepting the case presented. What is possible and natural for a human is one thing, what is possible for an alien may be quite another. ISSIS - Reincarnationlink
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