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Post by anthony01 on May 8, 2013 11:31:47 GMT -6
Hi everyone, this is my first post to the forum (although I have lurked for a number of weeks). First, some background about me: I have studied physics and astronomy in university, but have always felt there is so much more to "reality" than what science alone can explain.
For instance, my mother exhibits an intuition that goes deeper than conventional thinking would allow, and even myself have at times had dreams about things which later came true. They were specific enough that I couldn't attribute it to mere chance, yet were about the most mundane things. I would like to understand more about our place in the cosmos, and so have become more spiritual over the years, in my search for answers and better understanding. Also, I think I am very mildly empathic. Feelings and emotions can run very deep with me, and I have trouble dealing with large groups of people at the same time. I always prefer the closeness and depth that comes with associating with only a few people at any given time. However, sometimes this has come at a cost of solitude, but that's a whole different story.
Although I have never been abducted (as far as I know), but from my interest in astronomy have always been fascinated by the idea of intelligent life beyond our planet. For me, it seems ridiculous that in the vastness of the cosmos that we would be the only intelligent life out there. Although many of my peers would scoff at the idea that our species is currently being visited by aliens, but intuitively I just feel it to be true. Many of your stories ring true, and that the visitors are real, although I am at a loss to explain how or why. I would like to understand more, and perhaps even help in some small way, in coming to terms with this phenomenon.
From everything I have read, I doubt that the visitations are by aliens from "our" universe. What I mean is, by the way they pop in and out so easily, circumventing the known laws of physics, seems to me that they are from "elsewhere". Perhaps a parallel universe of some kind, that is super-imposed upon our own? The way I imagine the cosmos is being like several layers of a cake. Our universe is but one layer in this cake, and the visitors are actually very close to us, but in a different layer of this cake. Perhaps they've developed the technology to "burrow" into our layer of existence, but only for brief periods at a time? This might explain why they are completely invisible to us most of the time, and why astronomers can never see their ships in their telescopes.
One question I have, regarding the actual abductions. It seems that when a person is abducted, afterwards they have almost no recollection of the actual events (whether due to the aliens wiping the memories, or the mind forming an amnesia to protect itself, or both). Sometimes the person may wake up with missing time, vague impressions, or bruises/scars. But during the actual abductions, are the people fully conscious? The reason I ask, is I'm wondering whether or not the way the person reacts might influence what happens during the abduction? For instance, it's pretty clear that the gray aliens don't seem to care whether a person is in pain, and behave as if they have the full right to do what they're doing, regardless as to how it makes the person feel. They also seem to do (whatever it is that they do), regardless as to whether the person fights back or not. But since they are telepathic, do they ever respond to questions, or perhaps even small requests?
I'm also wondering what it is like for the gray. Are they a hive mind, or individuals like us? Is it possible to reason at all with them? I've always wondered if they are programmed (like a machine), or whether they have some freedom of choice? Perhaps they don't particularly like what they're doing as individuals, but have to because it is their job?
Just some thoughts... Hugs to everyone!
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Post by auntym on May 8, 2013 11:44:54 GMT -6
WELCOME TO THE FORUM ANTHONY... its nice to meet you... any insights you have we would love to hear...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 13:15:20 GMT -6
Welcome Anthony, I'm so happy you posted I do agree with you about 'aliens' being from elsewhere. My pet theory is that they are inter-dimensional beings who can manipulate doorways between 'universes' that are parallel to ours. Second best guess..might be the technology to open wormholes making it easier to cover the vast distances and dangers in space. There is so much to overcome with distance travel that it just doesn't seem practical or fesible to me no matter how advanced the race unless it might be a generation ship and that just doesn't fit either. I'm sure you'll find a lot to discuss and a lot of opinions too here. I hope you enjoy it
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 13:56:24 GMT -6
Hi Anthony and welcome to TEOR ! I too have studied astronomy most of my life ( at least 34 years) and I always knew there had to be more advanced forms of life throughout the cosmos. The odds of being alone just didn't add up. One night around the turn of the century the answer came to me as I was awakened by 3 of them (grays) that entered my home. I will send you a pm with details of that event if you are interested. Another night I took a friend ( who is partially family) fishing during the perseid meteor shower. No sooner then I had pointed out the constellations of Perseus and Cassiopeia to him an object came out of space descending from a right angle and quickly zipped around several times to the left and right and then returned from it's point of origin. I have talked with other astronomers about this and some of them have also seen similar things. I have seen many man made events during my years of observing but this was far more advanced than anything we have IMHO. Cliff
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Post by anthony01 on May 8, 2013 14:48:54 GMT -6
Cliff, I am definitely interested in hearing about the event you alluded to. Please PM me anytime you like. I have an avid interest in astronomy, but as I don't have the years of experience that you do, any experiences and ideas you have would be of great interest to me.
Jokelly, I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about wormholes. Unfortunately our current understanding of them is very incomplete (and usually involves stellar-mass objects), but it would be interesting if micro-wormholes could be used for space travel. By the way, I read another thread where you were talking about being humble. It's funny, because when I was younger, I used to think I knew a lot about how the universe works. But as I get older, and the more I learn, the more I realize how little I actually know.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 16:24:14 GMT -6
Age has a tendency to teach us how much we haven't learned yet.
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Post by dawnoftime on May 8, 2013 17:05:19 GMT -6
Welcome anthony!
If you have been "lurking" you may have already read my post about memory on a different thread. In case you didn't see it:
"There is an interesting idea out there that memory isn't stored within a person's brain, but that it is an active part of the sub-atomic environment and we simply access it. However that resonant memory is activated in this environment -- by what we would consider an "individual" -- determines who has access to it and how much of it. So, since each person is in some ways unique in the universe, they have access to their personal memories in a way no one else does; there are exceptions, of course, like people who are very sensitive and can see someone else's experiences in what we consider a psychic way. As one moves out from the individual, access to those memories ripple out in wider circles: family memories, community memories, species memories, etc. But from this framework memories are not "things" they are living components. Maybe that is one way to explain how alien contact seems to change or erase memory -- the memories, as dynamic components, are able to change shape, like 4-dimensional liquid rather than something chiselled on a rock."
I have been wondering if that resonance is dimension-specific -- whether it is possible that when we are abducted we are taken into the other dimension where we are fully conscious and "making memories" in that dimension -- but when we come back into our own we lose them. That doesn't explain how we carry our normal dimensional memories into the "alien" dimension, however. I suppose it's possible that the aliens could understand this resonance and manipulate it.
I am very much interested in physics as well. I love "thought experiments" and it is really good to be talking specifically about abduction again -- I have gone off on a lot of tangents lately. LOL :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 21:53:35 GMT -6
Hi everyone, this is my first post to the forum (although I have lurked for a number of weeks). First, some background about me: I have studied physics and astronomy in university, but have always felt there is so much more to "reality" than what science alone can explain. Welcome to our forum Anthony. We're glad to have you here. One question I have, regarding the actual abductions. It seems that when a person is abducted, afterwards they have almost no recollection of the actual events (whether due to the aliens wiping the memories, or the mind forming an amnesia to protect itself, or both). Sometimes the person may wake up with missing time, vague impressions, or bruises/scars. But during the actual abductions, are the people fully conscious? That's a very good question Anthony. I wish I had an answer for you... Some people who have had experiences (Jim Sparks for example- a very famous man in the paranormal community) say that they are fully conscious during their encounters. Jim Sparks claims to have 100% total recall of all of his experiences- unlike most other abductees/experiencers. But since they are telepathic, do they ever respond to questions, or perhaps even small requests? One of them communicated with me- as if trying to calm me down and relax me. I can tell you exactly what he said to me 20 years ago. I can quote it with almost 100% certainty... "Everything is going to be alright. You are going to go to sleep now- and when you wake up this will all seem like a dream." Not much to go on, but that's the only form of communication I recall having experienced during my own personal encounter...
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Post by CitizenK on May 9, 2013 0:20:59 GMT -6
well first of all , greetings to your first posts! Glad to see more members speaking and asking questions or sharing opinions. As for your comments on describing the multi verse, I think you've used a nice analogy here, I like it, and I think you are most correct in your assumptions on how it is layered. While I agree that it 'seems' teh greys have no care/guilt for what they are doing, I think rather than thinking in our normal terms of understanding and asking if they are of hive mentality perhaps we should be looking outside the box at a bigger picture that perhaps most of us know nothing about. Such as checking our well being as well as that of many other animals and the environment here to gauge how 'far' things have went in harming Earth's inhabitants. We know that aliens have been warning humans of the environmental repercussions for a very long time and the majority of us do not take heed to these warnings and seem to care nothing of the harm we are putting all living creatures at risk of so long as big companies can make their money and everyone gets their cushy lifestyles. So perhaps they are 'doing their job' AND have free will, but since 'they' understand the bigger picture and the majority of us taken do not, they know this is something they have to do even if we are freaked out , scared, or whatever. Much the way a mother would (excuse the vivid example) give their ill child who is vomiting uncontrollably the prescription suppositories to keep them from dehydrating and stop the vomiting would do...it's for a greater good, no matter how uncomfortable it has to be done. And yes, I understand many here have very bad memories of their experiences, understandably so. I am in no way trying to make light of them, simply offering a new perspective to them. Not all of mine were 'pleasant' either, this is why I feel I can suggest this different approach at the "why" factor. To answer some of your questions; I don't think many people have the presence of mind to speak with the abductors however there are cases such as Jim Sparks, Stan Romanek, and others who did and brought back similar stories of concern for our environment and our evolution. But as far as being awake while the event is unfolding, in my case I was awake and aware, just couldn't move freely about. Also, my memories (the majority of them) would surface in my sleep after the event. As for the missing time though, this was usually during daylight hours while not in bed, instead of the other way around. Most times I am taken while awake and usually in the company of other people. However, I do recall being 'knocked out' from being irate (within my mind) on at least one occasion with them. And curiously enough their reaction to me prior to being put to sleep was unusual and led me to explore the power of the mind further. they were afraid of me, and backing away from the table I was on as I became angry. Now why would they do that if I am invisibly strapped down??? Unless.... :/ Good to meet you, hope you continue to participate in finding the answers!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 3:56:28 GMT -6
Anthony, this is going to be a long post but I decided to go ahead and write it out as I recall it. Some of it is foggy ( called the oz effect) whereas other parts are clear. I was waiting for my wife (ex wife now) to come home. I think it was about 11:00 o'clock or about the last I recall. When she stayed out late with her friend I would always wait up. I was sitting on the loveseat on the right side. I suddenly out of nowhere became very tired . I knew I had to lay down or I would pass out so I got up and laid down on the couch nearby. I slightly recall hearing a noise as if someone is entering the home but I couldn't move. I clearly recall the oddest sensation of floating in the air yet nothing was touching me. I slightly recall a high pitched noise and slightly recall a bluish glow outside of my eyelids which were still shut. I was then turned around in midair and was placed on the loveseat on the right side. I struggled to open my eyes. I knew something was present and I had 5 kids in the back room. After fighting to open my eyes yet not able to move (paralysis), I was finally able to open them. I saw a creature kneeled down in front of me with a large head and huge black eyes. There were two others behind it heading towards the hallway where the kids were. I couldn't speak but the first thing I remember thinking was "you xxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx ! I can't repeat that. It looked at me awkwardly as if it could understand what I was thinking. Having a deep concern for my kids I thought about how they had better not harm my family or else. It looked at me again with another cocky expression on it's face and telepathically expressed that there isn't a thing I can do that they can do what they wish that there isn't anything I can do anyway. I was shocked that this thing was reading my mind and I was clearly reading it's likewise. I replied " you better tell the other two that if they harm my family in any way I will hunt you down to the end of this universe or even to hell and back if that's what it takes but I will get you "! It looked at me again as if it didn't quite understand the meaning of hell but it knew I wasn't bluffing. It turned it's big head around but I didn't hear anything. Immediately after the other two came out, one on each side, carrying my ex from the first bedroom into the living room. She was clearly in a trance of some kind. Her eyes and mouth were wide open and her knees were bent as if they were trying to prevent her feet from dragging on the floor. Until this point I didn't even know she was home. It was my children that I was concerned about. I now recall being on the left side of the loveseat at this time. The other two carried her back into the bedroom. I slightly recall the being opening up some type of object next to it on the floor. It was like a computer but when it opened it had two levels. The top one had something similar to a keyboard. The bottom level had tube like cylinders of different colors. It reached down inside of it and did something. I'm at the right side of the loveseat again. It then, and at this point I clearly now remember, it approached the left side of my face with it's long slender arm and long four fingered hand and applied pressure to the left side of my face. It was painful. It then told me it needed information and pressed deep inflicting severe pain and I slightly recall a crunch sound as if it had either made an incision or extraction. It's probably a good thing for it and me that I couldn't move. My life's memories flashed backwards in time. I could see an instant replay of everything in a matter of seconds. I passed out. When I came to the three of them were standing in the living room. The older one who I suspect was in charge who was working on me had it's back to me. I had enough at this point and wanted them gone. I thought "in the name of Jesus get out of my house". I was pretty much a hardcore Christian during this time of my life. The one with it's back to me turned it's head around and telepathically replied "what did you say?" I knew it got it's attention the way it reacted so I called on the Holy Trinity. I then was knocked back out. I struggled to come to again and was again able to open my eyes. They were gone. After trying to scream for the next 30-45 minutes to awaken my ex, she finally came to right about the time I was able to call her name yet still unable to move. The t.v. was on but it was static as if the station was off air. She came into the living room and turned it off and asked me "what happened" knowing something did. I asked, "don't you remember"?We sat up the rest of the night and talked about it, next day too. She said her undergarments were placed on her partially pulled down with waves on the bed as if she were dragged back on it and that they were inside out and backwards. She was a perfectionist, it wasn't like her to make that mistake. I waited several years to reveal this publicly. Only a select few new about this accept for a couple of family members and close friends. I take this phenomena very seriously for good reasons. I want to know what these things are up to. I don't blame anyone for not believing. I once knew how difficult it was to believe myself. It isn't easy to even accept it for what it is now to be honest. Once you have experienced it, it changes everything.
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Post by plutronus on May 9, 2013 4:44:11 GMT -6
Anthony, Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=abductions&thread=3513&page=1#ixzz2Sn44i4uS
Its likely that all conscious beings in a race will eventually evolve into a 'hive' like solitary mind. It'll happen when all the members of the specie awaken telepathically to one and another. Where everyone fully empaths everyone else telepathically, sharing information. Isn't that the hive model?
In any case, virtually all of the advanced Spiritual doctrines on Earth teach that everything existent is Mind, and that when one becomes fully self-realized, that the veil that separates the in-divisible-duality of the InDiviDual, rents, rendering 'oneness' with the SuperMind.
As for your awareness of your empathic intuitiveness or psi-sensitivity, ...its an early stage of awakening, becoming conscious in both Asiyah and Yetzirah concurrently, --eventually all Humans become empathic, which is just another form of telepathy, or super-consciousness. Everything living is connected to the OneSource.
However, there is some evidence that suggests that certain ET are fiddling with Human neuro-mappings, which apparently is imposed, to 'turn-off' Human ability to psychically sense...receive, while enhancing our leakage of psi-energy.
Welcome to the clan.
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Post by bewildered on May 9, 2013 8:36:37 GMT -6
[In any case, virtually all of the advanced Spiritual doctrines on Earth teach that everything existent is Mind, and that when one becomes fully self-realized, that the veil that separates the in-divisible-duality of the InDiviDual, rents, rendering 'oneness' with the SuperMind. I find it rather interesting that an elementary, detached pursuit of logic leads one in the same direction of thought. Everything is unified at an exceedingly subtle level of pattern expression and replication, bringing to my mind, at any rate, fractals. I am endlessly fascinated by fractals, for they seem to symbolically represent a persistent quality (or attribute if you will) of sensory perception and conscious cognition. Everywhere I look, I notice patterns; if I observe these patterns long enough, I begin to notice similarities shared with other patterns. I still have some ground to cover before I can approach the super-cool math involved in fractals (and graph theory, something that is central to computer science), but it's an example of how the "pure" realm of logic interfaces with the fuzzy, furry one that we walk in every day.
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Post by anthony01 on May 9, 2013 9:40:15 GMT -6
Thanks to everyone who has replied so far. I feel very welcome here, and have enjoyed reading your responses. Maybe by working together we can uncover something that has been overlooked before. Cliff, thanks kindly for sharing your story. Although I haven't experienced such a thing myself, but through your words I can sense what it must have been like. When they extracted your memories, do you have any kind of inkling as to what it is they may have been looking for? How did your kids react afterwards? I really hope they were left out of it. CK, I understand what you mean about the way we (as a species) treat our planet, and the animals that share it with us. In fact, it even seems a bit hypocritical for us to complain about the way we are treated by the aliens, when we ourselves don't treat the animals and other life on this planet any better. I guess in our defense, many of us haven't had the capacity to evolve enough yet to understand all the implications. Having said that, in my view I do believe that the Earth will re-balance itself, one way or another. Either we will voluntarily choose to do so, or eventually nature will enforce it brutally upon us, when we've stripped the resources and damaged the ecosystem enough. Let's hope it's the former rather than the latter. Dawn, that is quite an interesting idea about the way memory works. Reminds me of the way a computer stores data, in that all the data is stored together, but each application only has access to certain parts of it (private memory for its own processes, and access to common memory through the operating system). I've actually never considered that my memories may be stored (either partially or fully) outside of my body... I'll want to chew on the implications of this for a while. Thanks for sharing! Plutronus, it makes a lot of sense that the more the telepathic we become, the more unified we would all be as a result. But are we all a unified mind? I'll admit the thought is a bit scary, as I would fear by becoming more unified with this mind, that I would lose my sense of self in the process. On a related topic, I've always thought an important purpose to my life is to keep learning and to grow (through the challenges of daily life). By extension, if we are all part of a unified mind, would that imply that the unified mind is also growing, through our experiences? Also, if there were but a singular mind, would that imply that the aliens are also that same mind, so that in a way, they are also us? And before we go off on too many tangents, another thought about communication during an abduction. I know I would be terrified if it actually happened to me, so I don't know if I would have the wits about me to try anything like this. But I've always wondered if one could remain very calm during the abduction, maybe we could learn something new. Maybe this sounds quite naive, but I'm thinking that if only we knew what their intent was, maybe we could suggest to them better ways to achieve the same results, without causing so much damage to some of our lives? As long as their intent is something we could live with... One thing that has always bothered me, is why the alien presence is so "sneaky"? I guess I can understand if they don't want to directly affect the culture here, they want to keep the general population in the dark. But for those who actually experience abduction, wouldn't it be easier on everyone for them to give a bit of information? From what I can tell, the "not knowing" is just as harmful as the actual abduction. I guess I'm thinking that if it were scheduled, like a dentist's appointment, it would be less harmful to those involved. Even if one can't do anything about it, at least one isn't afraid to turn off the lights at night.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:14:56 GMT -6
Anthony,--eventually all Humans become empathic, which is just another form of telepathy, or super-consciousness. You are the first person I think who has ever said that empathy and telepathy were connected... I've been saying that for years... Emotions create thoughts and thoughts create emotions...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 17:08:25 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum Anthony. You have some interesting insights.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 7:25:50 GMT -6
Most times I am taken while awake and usually in the company of other people. I learn something new every day! Somehow, I missed this detail of your experiences, Ck . Of course I would like to know more! Where's your personal thread? ____________________________________________________ Hi Anthony . Welcome! You've already made some great observations. It doesn't matter to me if you have been abducted before. Someone who is willing to ask questions, and ponder the continuing wonder of our lives, is always welcome here! I've been wondering a lot lately about the memory issue. All my life (of course) I have heard people around me talk about forgetting things, and it was a "goal" of mine as a child to try and remember everything. Yep, that's me; always trying to grasp and hold the ideas that people most complain about, LOL. For a long time this kept me so busy that I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to what was happening to myself, . Thus, I have a lot to learn. There are great folks here. They talk about all kinds of things, and I often just lurk about. ;D Again, welcome!
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Post by lois on May 10, 2013 23:08:57 GMT -6
Plutronus . I agree what you are saying, but we will be all one mind spiritually. That mind lives forever .. not our material mind. Yes I would love to think material mind would go on. I would be with all my love ones as individuals . .. the bible says . the mortal shall put on immortality. Not sure if I like this concept but it is one I believe in..yet it is all knowing.. all knowing satisfies me and I'm content.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 23:56:58 GMT -6
Cliff, thanks kindly for sharing your story. Although I haven't experienced such a thing myself, but through your words I can sense what it must have been like. When they extracted your memories, do you have any kind of inkling as to what it is they may have been looking for? How did your kids react afterwards? I really hope they were left out of it. I just coincidentally answered this on another topic in another thread so I'll copy/paste it here. : ( Reply # 67 of the topic "Have We Been Cloned?) Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=abductions&action=display&thread=3434&page=3#ixzz2SxbYHwI2As for my children, they knew nothing about this for many years until I spoke with them about it after they got older. I don't think anything happened to them that night. That's what I would like to at least believe anyway. During the moments that I was aware of, I never did see the beings go all the way down the end of the hall to the room they were in.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 0:52:29 GMT -6
And before we go off on too many tangents, another thought about communication during an abduction. I know I would be terrified if it actually happened to me, so I don't know if I would have the wits about me to try anything like this. But I've always wondered if one could remain very calm during the abduction, maybe we could learn something new. Maybe this sounds quite naive, but I'm thinking that if only we knew what their intent was, maybe we could suggest to them better ways to achieve the same results, without causing so much damage to some of our lives? As long as their intent is something we could live with... If I knew what their agenda was, I probably wouldn't be as bothered as I am now ,still to this day. Though I'll probably never know what their intent is, I have this obsession to at least try and find out. If another visit or abduction were to happen, I probably would be calmer and more observant than I was before knowing a bit more what to possibly expect. The first time it happened there was so much shock from seeing another type of entity, levitation, telepathy, etc. The unknown is the difficult part now, that, and trying to figure out why. I have noticed from my personal experience what it does to a person after being exposed to this phenomena. This is a result from my personal experience. : PTSD Insomnia fear uncertainty obsession to find answers Anthony, I'm glad you haven't experienced this ! I'm not looking for pity or anything like that, but I do feel victimized. It isn't something I would wish on my worst enemy (with the exception of maybe a few in this world) . You mentioned that many of your peers would scoff at the idea of other worldly visitors. I believe there are certain powers to be who are responsible for that for various reasons but that in itself is going out on another tangent for now. Just for now, consider the fact that for the past x amount of years there have been many claims around the world from n amount of people who have witnessed a similar type of specie. I cannot confirm they are from another planet. They may be from our own for all I know. I do know that once they are finally proven, it will be a major turning point in the history of mankind. There are many of us who are already aware of it. It just hasn't been accepted by the majority or proven yet.
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Post by paulette on May 11, 2013 12:12:10 GMT -6
Welcome Anthony! A seeker who is open to information here is welcome indeed. My rather long story is somewhere in the back pages under Paulette's story. What started as a perceived one time incident (OK and few confusing childhood memories) slowly expanded into a rather large basket of strange stories. I have no new ones. Since you are interested in space and spaces, let me just say that as a child I read at an advanced level - Heinlein when I was about 10 years old and that all the sci-fi that I read never resulted in my thinking that they were HERE. I always assumed that somehow we had to go THERE. Presumably in the far future. When it became (well, not CLEAR exactly but likely) that I had had experiences outside of the here and now reality that I live in, it was unexpected and I think its accurate to say, shocking. It deconstructed my world paridymn (is that spelled right... can't find anything close in spell check...donno). Anyway, welcome to the gathering here Anthony.
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Post by skywalker on May 11, 2013 12:32:00 GMT -6
It deconstructed my world paridymn (is that spelled right... can't find anything close in spell check...donno). I think the word you are thinking of is paradigm.
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It deconstructed my world paridymn (is that spelled right... can't find anything close in spell check...donno). I think the word you are thinking of is paradigm. The spelling Nazi agrees.
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If another visit or abduction were to happen, I probably would be calmer and more observant than I was before knowing a bit more what to possibly expect. I wish I could be so sure that the times I am aware of possibly being abducted (or visited) are the only times. I am more of the belief that once "they" know how we respond to their treatments (whatever) individually, that they do try to get more "sneaky" about it. And then that takes me to the ideas talked about here on "them" being sneaky. Number 1: IF these are the same type of beings from our ancient past, that supposedly brought us ideas like how to cultivate and farm, they didn't mean to harm us, but to help us. But how we look on that now, including "them" showing us metallurgy, etc., would make anyone want to stay sneaky. Number 2: There may be some "mandate" that keeps certain beings from interacting with us, and some of them are outright breaking the law(s), knowing there will be consequences later. Number 3: Study Terence McKenna. The guy has some interesting ideas on how the human race can be prodded (and has been) in order to advance our specie. I don't care what one thinks of his methods; some of it makes perfeck sense. Number 4: We don't have any idea who "they" are . . .really
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 19:25:06 GMT -6
Everywhere I look, I notice patterns; if I observe these patterns long enough, I begin to notice similarities shared with other patterns. Hey, me too! Do you find that you have a particular activity that stimulates your mind/vision pattern into seeing more of this? I do, and that's why I'm wondering . . . .,
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 21:07:49 GMT -6
If you want an experience..one that prompts memory especially. Either get a binaural ocean wave..moves left to right causing the eyes to track that way or one of the light bars that you follow with your eyes. It tends to make the two hemispheres work closer together and unlocks a lot of things. They've also discovered this helps witnesses to catch subtle things they first overlook. The brain does have it..this helps retrieve it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 4:02:50 GMT -6
Are you still out there Anthony ? Just thought I'd share an observing session (the best I can describe anyway ). Because of weather conditions I haven't been able to observe for quite awhile. I went out early this morning at 2 a.m. with the telescope and focused in on Saturn and it's rings at various magnifications using the stop down method (120 - 60mm). It was spectacular but I couldn't make out the equatorial region this time or the cassini division. I could also see 5 of it's moons. I then decided to go for the ring nebula (M57) in Lyra. Without using goto or R.A. and Dec. (I have both but I like the challenge of finding dso's the hard way ), I estimated through the finderscope and the ring was clearly visible through the refractor. I then followed a satellite for a few minutes and decided to aim for the Whirlpool galaxy (M51). I sighted alkaid in Ursa Major through the finder and at low power, I could make out the galaxy through the primary scope which is a 120mm refractor. I then increased magnification starting with a 25mm and barlowed. Dropped in the 10mm and repeated. The galaxy showed definition in the swirls. It was beautiful ! At 4 a.m. I decided to end the session but then I saw hercules and went for M13. The cluster stood out showing an infinite amount of stars resolved in a tight cluster that resembled a glowing beehive. It was incredible ! A couple of quick meteors finished off the session. Hopefully someday I'll have the equipment necessary to do proper long exposure astrophotography so I can share pictures here on the forum but it's expensive and will take quite a bit of time before I can.
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Post by anthony01 on May 14, 2013 9:43:44 GMT -6
I'm still here Cliff, don't worry! I have actually been thinking quite a bit about all the different experiences here, trying to make sense of it. I'm trying to build a framework to understand more of what's going on. Or at least, ask some intelligent questions to get us all a little closer to the truth. Most of my interests lies on the physics side of things, such as how galaxies, stars and planets form, and how they evolve over time. I'd like to do more sky-watching, but it's rather difficult where I live, given that the city lights drown out just about everything there is to see. Like Paulette, for the longest time my paradigm was the belief that E.T. was "out there", rather than "here". In my view, it was only a question of getting better values for the Drake equation, for better estimates as to how many advanced civilizations exist in our galaxy. With better SETI, I figured it was only a matter of time to detect said civilizations. But I was always bothered by the continuing tales of alien abduction. At first glance it seemed absurd to think that alien intelligences could already be at work here. And yet, by reading the accounts of people here, I can sense truth to it, although I'm at a loss to explain any of it. I hope to discover more about what is going on, as I want to understand the underlying framework of our lives here on Earth. I think the alien presence is key to understanding this, as without knowing what roles they are playing here, we can't get a very clear picture and what's going on. Although the picture of the universe given to us by conventional science has much truth to it, but I see it as largely incomplete, as it only takes into account one "layer" of reality. This is my thinking: Currently, I believe that the universe is structured as a cake, with many "layers". The visible universe is but only one of these. The "aliens" might exist in ours or another layer, and spiritual beings exist in yet other layers. Perhaps we ourselves are not even of our current layer, in that although our bodies exist "here", but our soul exists "elsewhere", only inhabiting our bodies during our current lives. When we die, I'd like to think that our souls go back to our "home". Somehow, all of us (our bodies, our souls, the aliens, spiritual beings) are woven together into the fabric of these layers, in a way that I don't understand yet. Not sure if that makes a lot of sense, as I'm still trying to work it out myself. But what I do know is this: the alien presence is a key puzzle piece to understanding our place in the universe, and may even play a role in our eventual evolution, to whatever form that may be.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 1:32:48 GMT -6
Anthony wrote - Here is a live site that has different amateur and professional astronomers from around the globe who share live telescopic images when they are up and running. Most of them have moderate size equipment and many use a mallincam which is an amazing piece of ap equipment. You can chat with them and other astronomers also while viewing and oftentimes make requests depending on what they have on their agenda. They are very knowledgeable Anthony and I think you would enjoy the views from this. It provides an excellent resource for observing from the comfort of your computer. Here is the site: www.nightskiesnetwork.com/Here is an example of what you can expect to see at times.: Keep checking at various times, you'll eventually catch at least one of them up and running live, sometimes many at once to choose from. Some of the hosts do daytime (solar) and nighttime ( planetary and DSO's). There's a lot of good people there. I have many friends at this site from various places around the world. Stop by when you get a chance.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 2:18:23 GMT -6
With multiple types of species continually evolving on this planet for millions of years I can understand what would cause them to be interested with our planet. If we were to find a planet such as this or even different with only one or multiple types of life forms, our interests would be to travel to and explore it. Knowing that eventually our own star will burn out, we would be searching for new territory to carry on life. I don't have any answers. I don't know why they traveled all that way (if they are from somewhere else other than Earth) to come and "visit" lil ole me to be honest. What is so special about me ? I'm intelligent , so I've been told,,,but I'm no Einstein. ;D I use to be able to solve quads, but that was 'many moons ago' and probably couldn't solve them now. ;D It would probably look like simple addition in their eyes anyway when comparing our form of math to their advanced technology. I guess the question always goes back to the same thing. What is their agenda ? What do they want from us ? Why? Who are they? Where are they from ? When will they be back ? What next ? I wish I had answers. I can't even verify if they are from another dimension. I know the ones I saw didn't go through walls but yet I don't doubt that they can't. Consider our closest star to the sun, Proxima Centauri at 4.3 ly. If they were to break the laws of Relativity and travel at or near light speed and let's say they came from Proxima or Alpha as an example it would take nearly 9 years round trip at that seemingly impossible rate ( 186k mps) to reach us and return to their home. That's about 50 trillion miles round trip give or take just to the nearest star system and back ! The layers you are referring to is something I have thought about over time. One analogy that made a lot of sense to me was this; Consider a piece of paper. Instead of traveling from point A at one end to B at the other, simply instead fold the paper to where the two points meet. When I think of dimensions, I think of space/time. I think of relativity. To alter space time is to break the laws of relativity and go beyond it. Then, I believe we will enter another dimension but matter will convert to energy so it would be complicating at the very least trying to physically go there. Maybe if we knew how to convert matter into energy and then back into it's original state of matter again we could break the barrier ? What is dark matter and which laws apply to it ? On and on, etc. etc.
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