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Post by lois on Jun 30, 2014 20:59:14 GMT -6
My MUFON membership will expire very soon (or already has, I'm not sure which since I haven't really been paying attention ) and I am debating on whether or not I should renew it. I have been for the past several years mainly because as the administrator of a UFO/paranormal forum and somebody who sometimes investigates UFOs I think it is good to stay connected to various paranormal groups so I can keep up on what's happening and maintain connections with people who have inside information on things that we discuss here. I'm kind of wondering if it's worth the money to keep doing it though. Lately I haven't really seen any benefit to being a member of MUFON. Really all I am getting is a subscription to a cheap little black and white monthly journal. Remember that Clifford Clift himself even referred to the members as subscribers rather than members. What more benefit is there to being a member? For fifty dollars I could get a "subscription" to one of any number of UFO magazines that have more pages, more info and are in COLOR...and I would probably still have enough money left over to get a pizza and a twelve pack. Is it really worth it to be a MUFON member? I'm interested in hearing any opinions y'all might have, especially from those of you who still are members with MUFON. I haven't made my decision yet. There is no mufon forum is there?
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Post by skywalker on Jul 1, 2014 7:05:29 GMT -6
No. They cancelled their forum again. It looks like it is permanent this time.
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Post by lois on Jul 1, 2014 9:49:20 GMT -6
No. They cancelled their forum again. It looks like it is permanent this time. I was over there last night.. Who was I talking too? .. This was the last post by someone named Phil 16 hours ago. here is the link also. mutualufonetwork.proboards.com/board/25/ufo-videos
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Post by lois on Jul 1, 2014 10:48:42 GMT -6
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Post by paulette on Jul 1, 2014 12:30:47 GMT -6
Nice clip. Hmmmm.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 1, 2014 21:14:00 GMT -6
No. They cancelled their forum again. It looks like it is permanent this time. I was over there last night.. Who was I talking too? .. This was the last post by someone named Phil 16 hours ago. here is the link also. I guess they must have uncancelled it again. Doesn't look like anybody is posting there except for "Phil" who is actually our old buddy ufo4peace in disguise. He certainly is persistent. Tell him I said hello.
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Post by lois on Jul 1, 2014 22:07:51 GMT -6
I was over there last night.. Who was I talking too? .. This was the last post by someone named Phil 16 hours ago. here is the link also. I guess they must have uncancelled it again. Doesn't look like anybody is posting there except for "Phil" who is actually our old buddy ufo4peace in disguise. He certainly is persistent. Tell him I said hello. I came here to delete the video and such from mufon and here you are. Wow! UFO4peace..
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Post by swamprat on Mar 14, 2015 8:47:36 GMT -6
Well,,,,,now we know why he left Mufon.
FOLLOW THE MAGIC THREAD THE PERSONAL BLOG OF JAMES CARRION
Saturday, March 14, 2015
Ufology, There’s a Hole in Your Bucket
Today, Ufology finds itself in a state of utter chaos and Ufologists, those who consider it their profession to seriously investigate UFOs, have no one to blame but themselves. For too long, even allegedly scientific-minded UFO organizations like MUFON have adopted a double standard of searching for truth while pandering to outside interests who have no interest in truth. Interests like billionaire Robert Bigelow who showers cash of questionable sources on UFO organizations for less than transparent reasons or media interest from the myth-spewing television cable channels who have no qualms about sacrificing truth in favor of ratings.
MUFON, has plain and simple, sold out its role as a non-profit public service for cold hard cash and advertising presence. Case in point is MUFON’s Hangar 1 show, its recent illicit love affair with Hollywood, which has created a shameful and monstrous offspring that is so antithetical to the word science, that MUFON should change its motto from the Scientific Study of UFOs for the Benefit of Humanity to the Pseudo-scientific study of UFOs for the Benefit of Hollywood.
Simultaneously, other “serious” UFO investigator are losing the battle for discovering truth by competing for public hearts and minds with hoaxers, self-promoters, dis-informers, human deception specialists (aka, the intelligence agencies) and other human ilk whose agendas are not as lofty as “for the benefit of humanity”. Who cares about a genuine strange light in the sky videoed or photographed by a smartphone camera when ultra-professional special effects artists are churning out mega-slick, close-up, alien craft fly-bys that generate hundreds of thousands of YouTube views?
The failure of Ufology to weed out these side-show carnival acts means that Ufology has itself become a traveling carnival, complete with psychics and conjurers who excel at preying on the human mind. And we all know that no one goes to a carnival expecting to see a real paranormal act, as the real cannot be distinguished from the sleight of hand performance.
Meanwhile the “serious” media ignores the UFO bucket and only draws from it when it is a slow news day or their audience needs a good laugh, while the “entertainment” media scoops up large chunks from the bucket to feed their docu-tainment machine that frustratingly leaves viewers with more questions than answers.
So where does that leave us today? Well, with a lot of soul-searching and introspection. What do we humans really want to leave as a legacy to future generations? Do we want our children growing up, watching on cable TV or the Internet, UFO documentaries that are really just mythology, falsely promoted as history, and which serves to only poison their minds with conspiracy and distrust of authority? Do we really want our history being written by the myth makers? Or are we going to stand up for truth, no matter what that that truth may be? In all honesty, each of us has to make a decision – do we want to solve this mystery, or do we want to perpetuate it?
Solving the mystery does not mean abandoning the ET hypothesis of terrestrial alien visitation. It is completely within the realm of possibilities that we have been visited either in the past or the present, but when one’s desire to prove this causes them to lose objectivity and to forsake science in favor of a race to the “evidence”, the results are ultimately disastrous.
My research into the 1946 Ghost Rockets should not be shunned but embraced by the UFO community, as it puts to bed one UFO myth so that investigative time could be more properly focused on other cases from the UFO bucket. Unfortunately, the human ego is not that altruistic and historically when Ufology has felt threatened by the loss of a pivotal case to the ET argument, rather than accept and embrace, the tendency has been to shun and close ranks. But this time the hole is too big and will only grow bigger over time as once-ignored and poorly investigated evidence comes to the light of day. Ufology be warned, there is a hole in your bucket, and ignoring that hole will not make it go away.
POSTED BY JAMES CARRION AT 6:44 AM
HTTP://FOLLOWTHEMAGICTHREAD.BLOGSPOT.COM/2015/03/UFOLOGY-THERES-HOLE-IN-YOUR-BUCKET.HTML
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Post by randy on Mar 14, 2015 20:48:15 GMT -6
I used to post on MUFON but when they got rid of the free forum I felt that a strong effort was being made to silence information I had dealings with two MUFON representatives. One was window dressing but the other one was definitely an agent for someone. He was shaking a tailing vehicle by going through residential areas at 90 mph flipping U turns like a cop and ducking down alleys. It was a ride folks Later different people phoned me pretending to be him but not the same voice or personnality. It got dicey dealing with MUFON. Later the guy denied he was interested in UFOs any more. Humorously when he was up on top of the UFO base with me it finally dawned on him just how big it was and then he wanted to leave and in get out of Dodge fast. I lost faith in how MUFON was handled in the field.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 14, 2015 21:21:44 GMT -6
Lots of people lost faith in MUFON. They haven't done much to regain it.
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Post by swamprat on Mar 17, 2015 8:27:30 GMT -6
What’s next MUFON? Book Burning? By James Carrion 3-16-15
Well I had the most interesting of experiences today on Facebook. I joined the Official MUFON Facebook page and proceeded to post the following, from MUFON's Website:
"The study of a phenomenon commonly known as unidentified flying objects is a random observational event that makes it difficult to use all aspects of the scientific method but at the same time it is an area where it is very important to use scientific procedures and techniques. The UFO phenomenon does not lend itself to experimentation that allows one to examine the phenomenon in a controlled manner."
The closest that MUFON has come to using the scientific method was with the AMP project, and years after the data was collected, there are still no published findings.
MUFON has been in existence since 1969...and has had scientific consultants that entire time. Where are all of the scientific research studies it has been conducting? You won't find them on its website or hiding away in Hangar 1, because they simply do not exist.
MUFON is not scientifically studying UFOs, it is collecting data and has been doing so for over 40 years with nothing concrete to show for it. No hypotheses, no conclusions, so in a nutshell - no science. Collecting data for the sake of collecting data is not science, it is a landfill.
As all of the MUFON Facebook page posts go into a pending status and have to be approved before actually publicly posted, I patiently waited for the moderator to take action, and within a reasonable period of time, my posting was approved. The only one to comment on my post just happened to be MUFON’s Director of Investigations, Steve Hudgeons. Here’s the exact conversation word for word:
Steve: “I am guessing book sales are down...”
Me: “Yes Steve, they are down, given that my book is available for free at rosettadeception.blogspot.com. In fact, book sales are non-existent. Go figure.”
Steve: “as I expected.....he is looking for a fight”
Me: “Hmmm... you throw the money angle card at me and accuse me of a fight. How magnanimous of you. As MUFON's Director of Investigations, perhaps you would care to comment on the substance of my post instead of trying to make this a personal attack?”
Steve: “you make a comment about MUFON on a MUFON page....and you are saying ‘I’ am being personal??? You walked into this room.....I didn’t walk into yours”
Me: “I am sorry. Is that your official MUFON response? Is MUFON now publicly censoring its own membership? Perhaps you were not aware that I am a MUFON lifetime member.”
Steve: “see what I mean?”
Me: “Actually I don't. Healthy debate is a hallmark of any healthy organization.”
Steve: “we do not debate in here”
Me: “Is that another official MUFON response? What is the purpose of this Facebook page than? Are only those who toe the party line allowed to comment and any criticism of the organization rejected outright?
I then decided to look at the MUFON page posting rules and was in the process of submitting the following, when an error message from Facebook popped up on my screen stating that the post could not be submitted:
Me: “No need to answer...I found the answer in the ‘rules and guidelines’ - This is a page where we discuss and share opinions about anything pertaining to the study, investigation, discovery and science of the UFO phenomena.’ I didn't see the part that said just MUFON opinions.”
Incredulously, faster than I could hit the enter key, the page moderator removed the entire post. So fast was their response, it would have made a WW2 censorship official proud.
If an organization that claims to champion the search for truth cannot take the least bit of criticism and has no qualms about censoring its own membership, including a former International Director who not only contributed a pretty financial penny to the organization as a MUFON lifetime member, but also contributed thousands of sweat and blood unpaid volunteer hours, what does that really say about this organization and its leadership?
What it tells me is that an organization that resorts to such tactics is not to be trusted with anyone’s opinion or data as the bonfires of censorship are antithetical to the pursuit of knowledge. What will you burn next MUFON?
www.theufochronicles.com/2015/03/mufon-censors-their-former.html
followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/2015/03/whats-next-mufon-book-burning.html
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Post by skywalker on Mar 17, 2015 9:49:57 GMT -6
I'm surprised they allowed him to post anything at all. MUFON won't even let me join their Facebook page and I've been a member of their silly organization for years.
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Post by paulette on Mar 17, 2015 10:04:29 GMT -6
"MUFON is not scientifically studying UFOs, it is collecting data and has been doing so for over 40 years with nothing concrete to show for it. No hypotheses, no conclusions, so in a nutshell - no science. Collecting data for the sake of collecting data is not science, it is a landfill." Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/355/mufon-problems-continue#ixzz3UewG2yaDMufon collects data and buries it? Mufon is possibly government? (I don't think that's too far a stretch). The purpose of Mufon is NOT to gather info and original data to STUDY IT but to GET RID OF IT??? The stupid shows on TV put it in the realm of entertainment - along with ghost busters, ineffective Susquatch chasers, et. That removes any power or urgency from the topic???
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Post by lois on Mar 17, 2015 16:43:26 GMT -6
I'm surprised they allowed him to post anything at all. MUFON won't even let me join their Facebook page and I've been a member of their silly organization for years. It may be ufo 4 peace doing it sky. I have not been there in a long time.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 18, 2015 20:57:26 GMT -6
MUFON's Facebook page is different from their forum. The Facebook page is one that you join on facebook. Ufo4peace isn't on there...at least not that I know of. The stupid MUFON people just don't want me on there probably because I criticize them too much. That's what happens when they do stupid things that make them deserve to be criticized though. It's their own fault.
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Post by swamprat on Jun 19, 2015 10:46:59 GMT -6
The UFO Trail Thursday, June 18, 2015MUFON Chief Investigator Requests Ban on Roswell Slides Promoters MUFON Wisconsin Assistant State Director and Chief Investigator Mark O'Connell published a blog post Tuesday in which he requested the organization remove Roswell Slides promoter Jaime Maussan from its list of speakers for its upcoming annual symposium. O'Connell, who is currently composing a book on the life of the late ufology icon J. Allen Hynek, additionally requested that MUFON ban Maussan and his beWITNESS colleagues Tom Carey, Don Schmitt, Richard Dolan and Anthony Bragalia from its future events.
"There is no place for these people at any gathering that is meant to further the cause of serious UFO study," O'Connell wrote in a message to MUFON International Director Jan Harzan published in the Tuesday blog post.
MUFON has long been under fire from a wide range of sources for what many interpret to be a blatant disregard of its mission statement, "The scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity." More discerning members of the UFO community have frequently voiced strong objections to the organization's choices of speakers given the claimed mission, and the latest decision to offer Maussan a platform is bound to draw more criticism. The theme of the 2015 MUFON Symposium is billed as, "Expanding Ufology: Opening NEW Doors in Academia, Industry and Media."
"Maybe we need to shut a few doors while we're at it," O'Connell wrote in response to the theme.
This writer appreciates O'Connell's initiative. Let MUFON and O'Connell know what you think about his request and the related issues by posting your comments at his recent post, 'Eradicating the UFO Pestilence'. Posted by Jack Brewer
ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/06/mufon-chief-investigator-requests-ban.html
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Post by swamprat on Sept 17, 2015 22:03:10 GMT -6
RIP founder of MUFON, Walt Andrus.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 19, 2015 19:13:37 GMT -6
I wonder how he felt about the organization he created and what it has become?
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