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Post by auntym on Feb 4, 2011 14:09:10 GMT -6
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Post by paulette on Feb 5, 2011 12:30:53 GMT -6
Good to know. I wonder how many of the sites correlate with bases - acknowledged and not.
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2011 16:52:31 GMT -6
Don't forget Sedona, New Mexico too. It is a kind of affluent New Agey retreat location, so perhaps factor this in. Had many people relate to me experiences of varying kinds there generally. Does this mean an airliner with an unusual navigation light pattern anywhere else gets more notoriety as something exotic there instead? Because of a preponderance of locals that might have a certain outlook and expectation what they might see in the sky? Or is it because they might simply be watching more? The east coast from Washington D.C. through southeast Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, New England to southern Maine has always been consistently very active with raw reports too. I call this amusingly/respectfully the 'Budd Hopkins Air Corridor', or 'Hopkins Alley'. A humorous allegory to the famous 'Mig Alley' of the Korean War. ;D Budd Hopkins as we know... and his CE-4 research. Other locations seem to occur also along Interstate Highways. Is this because the phenomenon follows, knowing each of those headlights down there on the road have humans driving them? Or is it because that is were the eyes reporting are? It is important to read carefully the individual reports in such areas. These in concert with other facts might reveal patterns. Are the reports for instance from drivers passing through an area? Or are they by local residents? You would not believe how many reports come from people who have house family rules any smoker in the family must smoke outside. They get up at odd wee hours, and they seem to see things then when everyone else is asleep normally. There is a great deal of sociology related to human UFO reporting patterns. Others have suggested many areas known for sightings might also for unexplained reasons have certain local geological electro magnetic properties. Do others have their own impressions about their favorite fish'n holes? Steve January 2008 UFO reports Map. The Flap occurring in Stephenville was then at it's height. But also look at the east coast along 'Hopkins Alley'. Monthly maps from my research archives.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2011 17:24:53 GMT -6
Desert areas are good for sightings. Nevada (that pesky area 51), Arizona and California areas of desert too. Not so many city lights to contend with either if you like star watching:)
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Post by lois on Feb 5, 2011 21:58:06 GMT -6
You are right Jo, this is what I have always believed. So why over my own yard and a floodlight? I think this is why my encounter does no sound too convincing.. I know most of these sights above. Maybe if they are after a person. a flyover is different. A place where the aliens know their would be picture takings.. to release a little bit of information at a time.. Got to get those earthlings ready so to speak..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 10:56:50 GMT -6
It doesn't seem to make any difference where or when for abductions. There have been accounts in the middle of highways and only one group of people saw them even with several cars on the road. The encounter my friend and I had was in broad daylight too, although the area was very rural.
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2011 13:27:49 GMT -6
In close encounter cases & abductions - the locations where these occur if considered are often really astonishing.
'In broad daylight' to use the expression, in busy thoroughfare areas and intersections of human activity.
Only one or two witnesses - they seem rational & grounded. They have work and careers of trust which they risk by reporting such an extraordinary event.
They will report a distinct UFO over a car dealership for instance, adjacent to the intersection of two major highways with traffic. In broad sight? A case in the future I will relate in 'Steve's Investigations'.
A. The witness is fabricating. In time - like detective Colombo, Peter Falk, with patience these eventually unravel. One technique is to have the witness describe the play of events backward in casual conversation. This is where liars usually stumble.
B. The witness is delusional., and my initial assessment is wrong. Any unusually remarkable stress emotionally in their lives lately? Separation, divorce, loss of a spouse or partner, loss of a child, loss of a parent? These questions are buried in among others, and usually asked later. These stresses might emotionally compel witness to fantasize, a temporary escape from their stress that can compound later.
C. The event is real and should be accepted at face value. From this premise, the event should be explored further not based only on what we know, but clearly what might be possible. This is where it can get interesting.
What might be possible?
Technological stealth? The object and it's occupants are shrouded or cloaked, even from nearby crowds.
Organic stealth? In physical reality, the object or craft is in clear view, but telepathically in the minds of those nearby the phenomenon can selectively choose who they permit to see them by normal human perceptions.
A combination of the two? Technological & organic? One to deal with the human mind, the other to deal with the security cameras.
Inter dimensional stealth? (I think this one in concept ironically might actually be simpler - though the irony is - show me how it is done physically first. But once this is achieved....)
A parallel Universe exists perhaps only the thickness of a sheet of paper away, and like a submarine when it raises a periscope or a snorkel mast, exposing just enough of themselves to interact with us in our universe. Not crossing over in Hollywood style with a flash of light, but overlapping, there one minute, gone the next in slight of hand.
A number of experiencers with repeated visits into their home describe the sound of a soft bang. The experiencer gets up, walks around down a hallway, and standing at the bedroom door is an entity with a small baton or stick instrument in their hand... and Zap! They're paralyzed. Not the sleep paralysis kind, since they have been awake already for hours.
One man even had his brave friends stand by him all night after repeated nightly visits. The entities would appear in his living room, his friends becoming 'frozen'. Time displacement? He or she goes missing for hours, but their friends never notice, gone and back again in the blink of an eye? Does the witness then relate their missing time to the others? No. Only recalled later as the hypnotic suggestion placed in the witness wears off.
Reality is distorted too. Did things occur really as the witness perceived them? Involving a form of technology and mind control so sophisticated and precise, advanced even beyond human abilites. What then is reality?
Not fair is it. Especially if they are millions of our years ahead of us. The cop-out is it is all fringe. The reality is too many people are not alone experiencing this.
So anything could happen anywhere.
Steve
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Post by lois on Feb 7, 2011 0:12:21 GMT -6
Steve .. for two years after a missing time in my home after our son was put down for a nap and my other children were in school, I had my friend come over every day and take me somewhere till school was out.. I was so terrified, that my son would be snatched.
I mean I don't know where he was all afternoon. It was around 12:30 pm.. next thing I knew it was 15 minutes til 4 in the afternoon..time lapsed as I was holding a broom at noon and still holding the broom at almost 4 o'clock.. I was holding the broom about one minute of time. at end of this one minute time span my children all came in from school. I asked them why they came home for lunch as they always ate school meals at noon.
I mean if it was an alien encounter, they knew when i was not going to be alone.. I made it back within one minute.. so crazy I know..
I don't remember how long my leaving everyday went on before I started staying home alone. but I do know it was at least two years. I never got any housework done at all .. I told my husband if you understood the truth you would not want me to be here by myself. . I was terrified. as I did not know where my 14 month old son was all afernoon. I assure you I was not taking a nap like my husband thinks. I had the broom as my children came through the door.
I had.. had missing times before, but never when it evolved a baby of mine. I went to my friends or we went somewhere together. She did not think my crazy as she also had ufo experiences..
Like people have always said, what can you do? Run and hide in a cave.. lol..
Lois
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Post by paulette on Feb 7, 2011 0:33:22 GMT -6
Steve - thank you for articulating the various possibilities (and there may be more) of how something can appear near a house or over a road and then disappear. Even the stuff on radar - does the radar show it streaking up into outer space or just winking out?
Someone said to me once when I had just arrived on Mufon board and had taken the "test" - So you think you've been abducted..." that you can be somewhere and see something and the person next to you doesn't. That always resonated - but if so - how can one deliver an objective report under these circumstances? One might see something or not or perceive it as threatening, or not - or maybe a screen memory - a cute little pony with black eyes.
Children are less concerned about people and things disappearing - it happens to them all the time and they don't understand elevators, airplanes, etc. They also tell a lot of stories and therefore may not need to be cloaked from as no one takes what they talk about seriously anyway. Ditto time - unless it gets dark, who cares what time it is??
It could happen and probably does happen. Or not. We humans are definitely crazy enough to fabricate alternate realities. However I just heard this quote on our CBC radio today - "One cannot imagine something that cannot exist in reality." I don't know if I agree with this or not but writers have predicted a lot of things that later came to pass - radar and telephones, computers that navigate and talk to us, bathospheres and scuba diving, rocket launches and moon walks and soon Mars walks - or is Nasa shutting down? Maybe no Mars walks. In which case, maybe no contagion brought back from Mars (a common theme) or beings that materialize inside ships (ala Star Trek). I personally believe that from any given moment there is a splay of possible next outcomes. Sometimes they mostly all look bad but people manage to skate through to safety against all odds. I'd done it myself. Our choice of how we act or react is the deciding factor...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 1:44:49 GMT -6
Perhaps certain people have some 'glitch' in the brain that allows them to see what others do not (as some people say they have seen angels). Those without the ability to see remain igannant of their presence and maybe this is what determines who is abducted for research. Perhaps those who see ghosts, UFO's, and other paranormal manifestations...see between dimensions into other times or places. ~shrug~ food for thought
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 3:07:02 GMT -6
Wow. This is a very interesting thread everyone, excellent ideas from all of you.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 7, 2011 7:23:01 GMT -6
I was happy to see that Marfa, Texas was listed on the top ten United States list. In my opinion Marfa does not get anywhere near as much attention as it should. There is definitely something weird going on out there. I don't think it has anythingto do with UFOs but it is weird.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 10:34:47 GMT -6
The Texan answer to the Bermuda Triangle
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Post by casper on Feb 7, 2011 12:04:52 GMT -6
Arizona is a good place to see ufos. I saw one just east of Flagstaff last summer. It looked just like one of the flying saucers you would see in the old science fiction movies. It was pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 13:24:03 GMT -6
Casper..THAT qualifies as VERY cool ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 14:52:59 GMT -6
Arizona is a good place to see ufos. I saw one just east of Flagstaff last summer. It looked just like one of the flying saucers you would see in the old science fiction movies. It was pretty cool. Was it close, far? Did it make any sounds casper? What did it do?
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Post by lois on Feb 7, 2011 16:03:53 GMT -6
I was happy to see that Marfa, Texas was listed on the top ten United States list. In my opinion Marfa does not get anywhere near as much attention as it should. There is definitely something weird going on out there. I don't think it has anythingto do with UFOs but it is weird. What ever it is at Marfa, the American Indians witness them. I taped a documentary on them once and it told of a date and time these two Indains witness them lights.. Also during cattle drives the men witness them.. Maybe we are not talking about the same sight. The lights I'm referring to I thought was in New Mexico. and they were called the Marfia lights I believe.. Maybe I have been spelling it wrong for 30 years.. ;D Why dosn't someone go and walk up to the spot. They sit with camera's up a mile or two away..
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Post by skywalker on Feb 8, 2011 23:14:55 GMT -6
The Marfa Lights are in Texas and are very famous so that is probably the show you were watching, Shami. You can see them almost every night. For some reason people can't see them up close. They have tried but the lights just disappear. They can also only be viewed from one direction. The indians have been seeing them for thousands of years and have all sorts of legends about them. They think they are ghosts or spirits. Nobody has a clue what the lights really are though. People have come up with all kinds of wild theories (swamp gas, weather balloons, etc... : but nobody knows for sure. I've been out there myself studying those things many times and I don't even have a clue what is causing them. It is one of the real unsolved mysteries of the world. I'm going to write an article about them pretty soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 23:34:36 GMT -6
Cool
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Post by casper on Feb 9, 2011 12:03:34 GMT -6
Hi jokelly and leia77. The flying saucer I saw passed me up while I was driving my truck down the highway. It flew by me on the left and then started to stay even with me then it turned and flew away over a mountain. i didn't hear any sounds. It was very cool! I never saw a ufo before that. I've seen lots of ghosts but only one ufo.
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Post by sansseed on Feb 9, 2011 14:32:38 GMT -6
The Marfa lights sound a lot like the Paulding lights (near Watersmeet in the UP of Michigan). I personally never made the trek to see them, but I know many that have and are impressed by them. The last I heard they were explained by headlights and reflection, much like one of the explanation of the Marfa lights. Interesting. Marfa lights: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfa_lightsPaulding lights: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulding_Light
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Post by lois on Feb 9, 2011 22:07:25 GMT -6
Hi jokelly and leia77. The flying saucer I saw passed me up while I was driving my truck down the highway. It flew by me on the left and then started to stay even with me then it turned and flew away over a mountain. i didn't hear any sounds. It was very cool! I never saw a ufo before that. I've seen lots of ghosts but only one ufo. Once is all one needs to believe, more could turn into something you would not welcome at all. Lois
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Post by skywalker on Feb 10, 2011 20:50:08 GMT -6
The Marfa lights sound a lot like the Paulding lights (near Watersmeet in the UP of Michigan). I personally never made the trek to see them, but I know many that have and are impressed by them. The last I heard they were explained by headlights and reflection, much like one of the explanation of the Marfa lights. Interesting. Marfa lights: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfa_lightsPaulding lights: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulding_LightI seriously doubt that whoever said the Marfa lights are reflections of headlights has ever been out there to see them. They definitely are not reflections of headlights or campfires or any other such thing. People have been witnessing them for hundreds of years, long before the automobile was invented.
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Post by sansseed on Feb 11, 2011 14:33:22 GMT -6
The Marfa lights sound a lot like the Paulding lights (near Watersmeet in the UP of Michigan). I personally never made the trek to see them, but I know many that have and are impressed by them. The last I heard they were explained by headlights and reflection, much like one of the explanation of the Marfa lights. Interesting. Marfa lights: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfa_lightsPaulding lights: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulding_LightI seriously doubt that whoever said the Marfa lights are reflections of headlights has ever been out there to see them. They definitely are not reflections of headlights or campfires or any other such thing. People have been witnessing them for hundreds of years, long before the automobile was invented. Like I said, I have never been out to see the Paulding lights, but I know others who have and also do not agree with the headlights explanation. I just find it fascinating that there are two places in the US (and basically opposite north/south ends of the US) that are having similar phenomenas. I wonder if there is any linking ley lines?
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Post by skywalker on Feb 11, 2011 20:01:11 GMT -6
There are actually two other locations here in Texas where lights appear on a regular basis. All three of them are lined up in a perfectly straight horizontal line, and there is supposedly a ley line connecting them. I never gave much thought to ley lines before I noticed that, but there appears to be something to them.
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