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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 10:32:15 GMT -6
Guess it was time for Kennedy attention again. I always did figure that Johnson & pals masterminded the assassination..he had the most to gain...but unless he left some secret tapes laying around..I don't think that one can ever be proven. He was a good combination of brains, charisma and authority that we've seldom seen since..so naturally..many would want to kill him
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Post by paulette on Aug 8, 2011 20:02:45 GMT -6
Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby before he could go to trial (shot inside the Dallas jail no less). Ruby was mobbed up. I think he died of cancer in jail (very rapidly) as did Martha Mitchell, wife of John Mitchell in the inside circle. Oswald may have gone (for money) to shoot at the president but according to witnesses who were there - bullets were flying from several directions. John Kennedy's brain disappeared between where he was put in the body bag and where they flew the body. He wasn't even in the same body bag. No bullets were ever recovered. I imagine that Jacqueline wondered if her ticket would be punched as well. Just to clean up the area, so to speak. She lived with someone with enough money (Onassis) to protect her every minute of the day. He may have been mobbed up too - but Greek mob. Longer at their jobs. More finesse.
Jack may have known stuff - he died quickly too, supposedly shot a solo gunman working as a busboy. And the other brother - Robert? might have gotten into the White House but that was over when his young female passenger drowned on her date/ride home with him (Mary Jo).
This is like a soap opera - as crazy as any third world country with coups and take overs. One of the reasons why I chose Canada as my country. O Bama on the news saying, "We are a 4 star country! We will always be one." And meanwhile the US was about to run out of money to pay all the federal checks that are issued - to soldiers, veterans, disabled folks....old age pensions....
The dominoes continue to fall softly....
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Post by skywalker on Aug 9, 2011 10:08:23 GMT -6
I think Robert was the one shot by the busboy and Teddy is the one who drove his car into the lake and fled the scene to let his female passenger die. Wherever there is a Kennedy there is a controversy.
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Post by auntym on Sept 12, 2011 14:00:55 GMT -6
TUESDAY NIGHT... 9-13-11 ...9:00 PM...ABC Jacqueline Kennedy Tapes Are Full Of Surprises tapes recorded just after JFK's death... she supposedly reveals she believed johnson was involved in assassination of JFK,... New details about what life was like behind the scenes in the Kennedy White House are coming to light, from interviews that Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis recorded just after her husband's death. ABC says that the tapes deal with a wide variety of topics: from their early years on the campaign trail, to the Cuban Missile Crisis, to the Bay of Pigs, and his last days in the White House. The interviews also reflect Mrs. Kennedy’s evolving sense of herself and her role as first lady, as she talks about her family, world leaders, and life in the White House. The tapes have been made public now by Kennedy's daughter Caroline, in a deal with ABC which saw the network scrap a miniseries that focused on the Kennedy administration. ABC is airing a special program, Jacqueline Kennedy: In Her Own Words, on the release of the tapes tomorrow at 9pm ET. click to watch video...also watch the other videos after this one at bottom of video screen....www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/jacqueline-kennedy-tapes-released_n_958617.html?icid=maing-grid7
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 17:08:50 GMT -6
I read somewhere before that she thought Johnson was responsible. I don't know if it's true or not but he did have a bit of motive...I rather think that 'others' didn't want Kennedy in office any more in favor of a more controllable Johnson. I don't think Johnson had the brains or moxy to kill a president AND his brother..but I think other factions would have seen Bobby as much a threat to their plans as Jack was.
I just ran into this and I wonder..if Johnson had any inkling of it:
Last week, first reports on the tapes found that president Kennedy "worried for the country" should his vice president Lyndon Johnson succeed him, with Jacqueline even saying her husband had begun discussing how to ensure Johnson did not run for president in 1968.
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Post by auntym on Jan 26, 2012 14:05:56 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/president-kennedy-influenced-extraterrestrialsi don't know what to make of this.... .... i don't think the voice on the video sounds like kennedy....BUT, i'm only familiar with his speech voice.... IDK ... President Kennedy Influenced By Extraterrestrials?[/color] Alien landing proof in JFK secret tapes analysisWed, 01/25/2012 By Jon Kelly UFO Examiner ET influences on President Kennedy’s ambitions for the US space program can be heard in a new video analyzing backwards encrypted messages in newly released secret White House tapes. The 35th President of the United States, who served from 1961 until his assassination in 1963, recorded over 248 hours of meeting conversations including one with then US Ambassador to the Soviet Union Foy David Kohler on a system that was reportedly a closely held secret even from his top aides. The John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum today announced that it has declassified and made available the final 45 hours of White House recordings that were secretly taped during the president’s time in office. Uploaded by SecretMessageTV on Jan 24, 2012 President Kennedy’s paranormal interests were highlighted in a Top Secret memo to then Central Intelligence Agency Director John McCone written 10 days before his assassination requesting a “Classification review of all UFO intelligence files related to National Security.” The formerly classified document, released in 2011 in response to a Freedom of Information Act request, proposed a review of “high threat cases” along with a “program of data sharing with NASA where Unknowns are a factor.” Secret messages encrypted backwards in the president’s conversation with Foy Kohler, recorded on September 17, 1963, anticipated JFK’s expressed UFO interests eight weeks before the memo was written. The following transcript shows the exchange regarding US-USSR cooperation in space along with unconscious communications detected in the speech of President Kennedy. “President Kennedy: The other thing I talked to him about was space. I don’t know whether we could ever –“ Secret Message: I saw a spacecraft. Found a Grey. “Foy Kohler: They were very intrigued by this, Mr. President. I mentioned this when I talked to Gromyko [then Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko] before I left and it was obvious that they were intrigued but a little puzzled by this. I referred to it as a very imagining [sic] thing and asked whether they had given any thought to it. He said, well, they agreed it was imaginative. (pause) They’re obviously interested in this – by implication, they are clearly concerned about the cost of these *bleep* things – about a race in space. So Gromyko said, well, it’s a very interesting idea and we would like you to come up with something more definite which we can take a look at. So far, I haven’t been able to consult with all the right people here to see whether anything can be developed. “President Kennedy: I would like to have an agreement on when we both try to go to the moon, then we wouldn’t have this intensive race – I don’t know whether they are going to the moon. Lovell [Apollo 13 Commander James "Jim" Arthur Lovell, Jr.] says not.” CONTINUE READING: www.ufodigest.com/article/president-kennedy-influenced-extraterrestrials
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Post by skywalker on Jan 26, 2012 20:58:28 GMT -6
Lovell was right about himself not going. He was part of the ill-fated Apollo 13 mission that never made it to the Moon.
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Post by paulette on Jan 26, 2012 21:01:25 GMT -6
Sigh....backwards tapes. The Devil talking. Supposed dialogues about grays and spaceships. Ugh.
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Post by Steve on Jan 27, 2012 0:33:57 GMT -6
Tapes played backwards again?......thats what I call real secret encryption. No backward tapes here. Who makes up this sick stuff? I read that the latest recordings would be released a few days ago, and in the back of my mind just knew something like this would happen. The exopolitic cult rides again. These are the final batch of archived Kennedy Presidential office recordings. The existence of the tapes were made public for the first time during the Watergate hearings when it was revealed Nixon was not the first President to record his oval office discussions for historical purposes. Both Presidents Kennedy, Johnson had also prior to Nixon. Kennedy having just published his book 'Profiles in Courage' about notable Presidential histories - it would stand to reason. A few days ago in the same article, it was also mentioned that these recordings had already been carefully screened for any national security concerns. So even if remotely there were ET stuff, do you think it would have remained in? There are comments by Kennedy on the same recordings about Vietnam. Two radically different reports about the local situation there that Kennedy comments "we sent these two fact finding teams to the same country didn't we?". Jim Lovell, if that is the same Lovell they are talking about, would have been just a brand new member of the growing (1963) astronaut corp.. Never been in space, a Navy pilot and test pilot among others chosen in that group that year. The name may have been mentioned among many others selected. Lovell would begin to train for the new Gemini program. There would be a lot of water under the bridge between 1963 and several space flights before his two trips around the Moon - 1968 and 1970. 'Lovell who?'. Heck, these tapes could be just as easily about famous Jacques Pepin - the White House Chef at the time too. Btw - in the same recordings, the Kennedy children are also playing while Soviet Ambassador Gromyko is present - the President (as Dad) telling his children in the recordings it was Gromyko's boss (Khrushchev) who gave them their pet dog they play with. Really heavy stuff about ET contact here? I'm with Pauline with this, though I don't respectfully know her full thoughts about this, but her initial reaction is the same as mine. Do people foaming at the mouth about any UFO conspiracy think we are all really this stupid? Sorry. This is getting real old. Kennedy was very engaged in America's space program in seeing that his new goal before that decade was out was fulfilled. Nothing anywhere about hitching a free ride. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Jan 30, 2012 20:28:40 GMT -6
I think that guy is mistaken in his interpretation of the backwards recording. He claims that it said "I saw a spaceship...found a gray" but what I heard was Mrooowaardoowardooooorawwwrrrroooo" which is obviously a secret alien code word that stands for "You're playing the tape backwards, dummy!" I like President Kennedy. He is my second favorite president of the past 100 years and is the last good Democrat president we had. It was shortly after his untimely death that the Democrat party became a refuge for big-government communists and socialists. It has been going downhill ever since. Lately it seems the republican party is hot on their heels and trying to beat them to the bottom of the hill so they can brag about being first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 2:17:44 GMT -6
Sky..methinks you need to rethink your political ideals. Why? Because there will never be such a thing as a politician who's not greedy eventually. I think most of them actually start out as someone's loved children..then they come under the influence of evil aliens and/or demonic possession and move to the ranks of the greedy and corrupt. Honest politician IS an oxymoron you know.. You could never pay me enough to be president. You are always going to fail at least half of the public and eventually if they all don't stone you..by the end of your term you look like you've aged 50 years and if by some chance the US is still standing when you're ready to escape..rest assured that the next guy is going to be just as bad in someone's eyes
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Post by auntym on Feb 17, 2012 22:48:10 GMT -6
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378284/Secret-memo-shows-JFK-demanded-UFO-files-10-days-assassination.html Was JFK killed because of his interest in aliens? Secret memo shows president demanded UFO files 10 days before death[/size] By Daily Mail Reporter 19th April 2011 An uncovered letter written by John F Kennedy to the head of the CIA shows that the president demanded to be shown highly confidential documents about UFOs 10 days before his assassination. The secret memo is one of two letters written by JFK asking for information about the paranormal on November 12 1963, which have been released by the CIA for the first time. Author William Lester said the CIA released the documents to him under the Freedom of Information Act after he made a request while researching his new book 'A Celebration of Freedom: JFK and the New Frontier.' The president’s interest in UFOs shortly before his death is likely to fuel conspiracy theories about his assassination, according to AOL News. Alien researchers say the latest documents, released to Mr Lester by the CIA, add weight to the suggestion that the president could have been shot to stop him discovering the truth about UFOs. In one of the secret documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, JFK writes to the director asking for the UFO files. Released: Letter from JFK to CIA director asking for access to UFO files, which has been released to an author under the Freedom of Information Act TO SEE MORE DOCUMENTS & CONTINUE READING: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378284/Secret-memo-shows-JFK-demanded-UFO-files-10-days-assassination.html
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Post by niki on Jul 31, 2013 10:40:11 GMT -6
If this is true, how horribly tragic and depressing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 11:22:11 GMT -6
Would have been a horrible thing to carry through your life.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 31, 2013 19:56:52 GMT -6
If that were true it would be one heck of a coincidence that he just happened to shoot the one exact person the assassins were trying to shoot. It's going to be extremely difficult to prove too. People have been combing through all that evidence for decades. The fact that some of the bullets may have been different doesn't automatically support this theory either since multiple shooters also could have used different bullets. It will still be interesting to watch the documentary though. I always like to see anything new about the Kennedy case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 21:17:23 GMT -6
I was doing a search on when Hickey died..and I ran into this..Kennedy's regular driver died suddenly before the texas trip..and there were two additions to the white house garage..one being Hickey. I find this all just a tad odd..for some reason travel logs were destroyed in 95..anyway...I think that it's quirky that SA Hickey came on just before that trip. whatcha think? spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/0017-VP.html
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Post by niki on Aug 1, 2013 11:26:16 GMT -6
I was doing a search on when Hickey died..and I ran into this..Kennedy's regular driver died suddenly before the texas trip..and there were two additions to the white house garage..one being Hickey. I find this all just a tad odd..for some reason travel logs were destroyed in 95..anyway...I think that it's quirky that SA Hickey came on just before that trip. whatcha think? spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/0017-VP.htmlI've always felt this was one conspiracy theory that was true. I agree, it's quirky. The official explanations have never made sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 13:45:10 GMT -6
The timing of it makes me wonder if possibly the agent who died suddenly was helped to the pearly gates for the express purpose of bringing Hickey in who was to be the 'second' shooter but nicely covered up as an accident made in the heat of battle by a 'rookie'. Possibly he was back up in case the first shot by Oswald didn't do the job. I'm just not one for believing in coincidences..
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Post by auntym on Aug 1, 2013 14:17:25 GMT -6
IDK... him being that close would have resulted in powder burns on JFK, wouldn't it?... i don't remember reading that, of course, if it was a cover up... i always believed it was an inside job and johnson knew about it... i do believe there was more than one shooter... jackie kennedy believed johnson was involved too... somewhere on this forum there is a whole thread dedicated to this topic... by golly here it is... theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/268/off-topic-interesting?q=kennedy
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Post by skywalker on Aug 1, 2013 22:25:43 GMT -6
What we know from the evidence at the scene as well as from eye-witness testimony is that there were a lot more bullets than just the three that reportedly came from Oswald's rifle. There were at least six bullets fired which means that there was definitely more than one shooter. Even if this Hickey guy did fire a shot there would still be at least one other shooter besides LHO.
I personally believe from the research I have done and the evidence I've seen that it was a government conspiracy and that both the CIA and he Secret Service were in on it. Somebody at a very high level was pulling the strings and orchestrating things so a last minute change of agents definitely could have presented an opportunity to stack the deck and make sure the assassination worked. I also think that it would have been a huge risk to have one of the agents on the street firing a weapon. In addition to all of the people watching and taking photos and videos that could have seen and recorded everything that happened in the street you also have to consider the fact that not all of the Secret Service agents and police officers in the motorcade were in on the plot. Would the people involved in the conspiracy really have taken a risk like that even when they had at least two people firing rifles?
I think that this particular conspiracy theory is a long shot at best...but then again, having said that, some of the people in the car did report smelling gunpowder while the shooting was taking place. A gun would have had to have been fired very close for that to happen.
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Post by lois on Aug 1, 2013 23:46:16 GMT -6
If that were true it would be one heck of a coincidence that he just happened to shoot the one exact person the assassins were trying to shoot. It's going to be extremely difficult to prove too. People have been combing through all that evidence for decades. The fact that some of the bullets may have been different doesn't automatically support this theory either since multiple shooters also could have used different bullets. It will still be interesting to watch the documentary though. I always like to see anything new about the Kennedy case. There was even a time when it was said that Lyndon B Johnson had him killed. As he tells on a early tape and I once listen to it it sure sounded like Johnson's voice to me. He said Kennedy did something openly against Johnson. Made him look bad like a idiot in public. He was raging on the tape and said he would make D@## sure it would never happen again.. This was not too long before Kennedy was shot. all speculation like you said sky it has been investigated for decades. I did see a film but it could of been a fake. About a year after they showed Kennedy's body before it ever went on any plane. They sat him in a up sitting position and the whole back of his skull was blown away with his brains hanging out. That film was never shown again. A woman wrote a book about her husband who was a plastic surgery and he was called to the hospital that night after Kennedy was shot . He did not come home til early morning I believe. She told how unusual that was. She told he would never talk about why he was called there that night. Forgot the name of the book She thinks he was paid to cover up his body conditions at the time of his death. I have heard it all for so long. Yes I wish there a true fact ending to all this. Most those people are dead and gone today. Early remarks are most likely to have more truth to it . It seems to work that way most of the time.
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Post by bewildered on Aug 2, 2013 12:31:32 GMT -6
I researched the Kennedy assassination rather extensively during the past few years, and I find one unifying characteristic present in virtually every conspiracy theory and scenario I have encountered: a lack of evidence supporting the claims they make. Persistent myths surrounding John F. Kennedy (it's collectively called "Camelot") making him a larger-than-life figure are partially to blame for the enduring belief that a wide-ranging conspiracy was involved in his tragic death; pseudo-science and snake-oil salesmen cash in on the American public's desire to believe that the youngest President in American history was murdered by <insert names of alphabet agencies, Mafia groups, corrupt politicians here>. The truth can often be too mundane for the average American to entertain, since the desire to be titillated and entertained trumps considerations of empirical evidence and the like. Conspiracies sell books, interviews, and movies...but the truth? Nah, it's too boring.
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Post by bewildered on Aug 2, 2013 12:42:23 GMT -6
lois: Do you have a source for that tape of Johnson? I ask because I have encountered mountains of allegations regarding the FBI, the CIA, the Mafia, as well as Johnson in regard to the assassination of Kennedy, and whenever I ask "where's the beef?" I am only presented with a vacant bun. The simple inference of wrongdoing by someone or something is not sufficient evidence of guilt...if that were the case, then courts could dispense with the "innocent until proven guilty" rule and people would go directly to jail merely on the notion that they are guilty. I point this out because evidence analysis is the cornerstone of forensic investigation, and is the mechanism by which B may be proven to have followed A. Up until this point in time, I have yet to meet a conspiracy theory of Kennedy's assassination that meets the burden of proof in even a casual manner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 22:10:58 GMT -6
I am interested to see this documentary. Coincidence that one man suddenly dies and the one hired is the subject of this current witch hunt. I'll watch it. Not that it matters to anyone now..the only thing I would find out of place in this one..is the accidental mishandling of a weapon by a security guard in a car behind the president. If this man did shoot the president, after attaining his post via the sudden death of another agent..it most likely was not an accident. Truth is..we only have information that we are allowed to have...including autopsy reports.
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Post by lois on Aug 2, 2013 22:49:23 GMT -6
lois: Do you have a source for that tape of Johnson? I ask because I have encountered mountains of allegations regarding the FBI, the CIA, the Mafia, as well as Johnson in regard to the assassination of Kennedy, and whenever I ask "where's the beef?" I am only presented with a vacant bun. The simple inference of wrongdoing by someone or something is not sufficient evidence of guilt...if that were the case, then courts could dispense with the "innocent until proven guilty" rule and people would go directly to jail merely on the notion that they are guilty. I point this out because evidence analysis is the cornerstone of forensic investigation, and is the mechanism by which B may be proven to have followed A. Up until this point in time, I have yet to meet a conspiracy theory of Kennedy's assassination that meets the burden of proof in even a casual manner. No sorry jc. It was a TV doc. many years ago. I could of taped it. I will see if I have it among my vhs. I would have to play the whole six hours on each one. Many of the Documentary tapes have tons of topics on each one. Some covers I did write out what was on the tape. I will look for anything Kennedy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 7:41:28 GMT -6
lois: Do you have a source for that tape of Johnson? I ask because I have encountered mountains of allegations regarding the FBI, the CIA, the Mafia, as well as Johnson in regard to the assassination of Kennedy, and whenever I ask "where's the beef?" I am only presented with a vacant bun. The simple inference of wrongdoing by someone or something is not sufficient evidence of guilt...if that were the case, then courts could dispense with the "innocent until proven guilty" rule and people would go directly to jail merely on the notion that they are guilty. I point this out because evidence analysis is the cornerstone of forensic investigation, and is the mechanism by which B may be proven to have followed A. Up until this point in time, I have yet to meet a conspiracy theory of Kennedy's assassination that meets the burden of proof in even a casual manner. No sorry jc. It was a TV doc. many years ago. I could of taped it. I will see if I have it among my vhs. I would have to play the whole six hours on each one. Many of the Documentary tapes have tons of topics on each one. Some covers I did write out what was on the tape. I will look for anything Kennedy. I know it's a simple mistake, someone putting "jc" in their answer to someone else . I've seen it on TEOR before, and it wasn't worth commenting on. Though I saw also that this documentary was coming out, and that someone posted it coming out by this thread, and I come here to read, I have refrained from making any comments about JFK, and his untimely death. Skywalker will recall that I asked for more information on JFK on that other thread, and then did not contribute to the topics discussed . I am still very interested in this subject, but just from books I have read, I have felt "totally out of my league" . This is a case that I would like to see reasonably solved, in my lifetime.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 3, 2013 9:12:55 GMT -6
I researched the Kennedy assassination rather extensively during the past few years, and I find one unifying characteristic present in virtually every conspiracy theory and scenario I have encountered: a lack of evidence supporting the claims they make. Persistent myths surrounding John F. Kennedy (it's collectively called "Camelot") making him a larger-than-life figure are partially to blame for the enduring belief that a wide-ranging conspiracy was involved in his tragic death; pseudo-science and snake-oil salesmen cash in on the American public's desire to believe that the youngest President in American history was murdered by <insert names of alphabet agencies, Mafia groups, corrupt politicians here>. The truth can often be too mundane for the average American to entertain, since the desire to be titillated and entertained trumps considerations of empirical evidence and the like. Conspiracies sell books, interviews, and movies...but the truth? Nah, it's too boring. I used to believe that Oswald killed JFK and that he acted alone in doing so. I still believe that Oswald was the shooter in the Book Depository Building. After looking at the evidence however I do not believe that he acted alone. There is other evidence to suggest otherwise, for instance the number of bullets fired at the scene. The official explanation says that Oswald fired three shots...the first was supposedly deflected by a tree branch and ended up striking the ground, the second that supposedly went through Kennedy's neck and then wounded Johnson before lodging in his leg, and the third which struck Kennedy in the head and killed him. There were supposedly three bullet shells found on the sixth floor of the Depository building which would back up the claim that Oswald fired three shots. (I said supposedly because at first it was reported that only two were found but that could have been a simple error.) The problem is that there were more than three bullets accounted for during the shooting. One bullet struck the ground near the railroad overpass and wounded a bystander, one bullet was seen by witnesses in the crowd to strike the ground directly in front of the car, one bullet (the so-called "magic bullet") wounded both Kennedy and Johnson before lodging in Johnson's leg, One bullet struck Kennedy in the head and blew the back of his skull out. That's at least four right there. There was also a bullet found on the ground in Dealey Plaza by a police officer. That could theoretically have been the bullet that hit either the ground or Kennedy's head, but that would still make at least three bullets that have been positively accounted for. There was another bullet found intact on a stretcher at the hospital. That makes either four, or five if you consider the eye-witness testimony of a bullet striking the ground in front of the car. In addition to all of those there was also a dent in the upper windshield frame of the car Kennedy was riding in with a corresponding crack in the windshield. This damage looks very much like it was caused by a bullet and if it was that would make six. So how is it that Oswald fired three shots yet six bullets turn up at the crime scene? That evidence by itself points to there being more than one shooter. Oswald was the man who shot Kennedy but he was not the lone gunman that everybody claims he was.
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