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Post by auntym on Aug 15, 2013 12:07:38 GMT -6
www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2013/08/alien-abduction-white-room.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PhantomsAndMonstersAPersonalJourney+%28Phantoms+and+Monsters%29Wednesday, August 14, 2013 Alien Abduction: The White Room In 2006 an associate forwarded the following inquiry for my opinion. It had been directed to them by an 'experiencer' name Melody. I originally published this information in July 2011 after I received permission to post after a follow up statement was provided directly to me by Melody. Here is the original inquiry: Sir - what I am about to reveal to you is an absolute true event. I will describe only what I can recall. I have told my story to two people other than my Mother and Father. One day I hope to be able to remember all of my experience. I have read several stories of alien abduction and missing time - I would have never believed these recollections before I went through my own ordeal. In the Summer of 2004 my family (my Mother, Father and I) took a trip to the Bahamas. It was going to be a three-day jaunt to Nassau and a few other spots. I was 17 and was looking forward to my senior year in high school. We were staying at a beachfront hotel in Nassau which was a large suite with separate bedrooms. We arrived mid-afternoon and started to take in the scenery as soon as we were done checking in. After a long evening of sightseeing, I was totally exhausted and decided to go to bed at about 10:30 pm. No sooner had I laid down I was fast asleep (at least that is what I think happened). After awhile I was startled by a loud humming sound that was coming from outside. I was curious so I started to get out of bed to investigate when suddenly a bright blue light hit me in the face. I was very warm but soothing. I don't know what happened right after that. I woke up much later when, in fact, it could not have been more than a few minutes. I laid back down in the bed and went to sleep, like nothing had happened. I still don't know why I didn't alert my parents. I started to hear the loud humming again and started to feel like I was a passenger in an airliner. I opened my eyes, looked around but could only see large high back flight chairs arranged in several rows. I was the only person seated in my row. I must have went back to sleep because the next thing I remember I was sitting in a large brightly-lit white room that was completely bare except for 5 metal chairs and four other people sitting. These people were not human in my estimation and seemed to be there to monitor me. They were dressed in white smocks and looked human-like but had a few irregularities, for example slightly larger heads, no hair anywhere on the exposed body and a strong antiseptic odor. They didn't talk but you felt like you knew what they were saying when they would look directly at you. After several minutes each of these 'people' got up in unison and walked through a sliding door that quickly disappeared. I was completely alone, just waiting - but I never had any apprehension or fear. All I remember after that is hearing my Mother screaming. You see, I had been missing for over 40 hours. My Mother screamed when she discovered me laying on my bed in the hotel room almost two days after I was reported missing. That is all I remember. I have been to psychiatrists and have been taken regressive hypno-therapy but I can not recall any further details. I suppose that I was abducted by someone or something. Why else would I be physically missing for almost two days? When I 'reappeared' I had on the same night clothes - nothing was different. I have had no ill effects since. Could you offer an explanation? To be honest I had forgotten about this incident. I had never conversed with Melody and had never received any direct contact from her. In July 2011 I received an email from her that included the following statement:CONTINUE READING: www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2013/08/alien-abduction-white-room.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PhantomsAndMonstersAPersonalJourney+%28Phantoms+and+Monsters%29
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Post by lois on Aug 15, 2013 21:32:43 GMT -6
Lets hope Melody is dealing with her experience. I do hope she sends another E-Mail.
Regression did not help her in the least. I always believed it always revealed something in most abduction cases. I never got regressed myself. Always a little fearful of it. Also I wanted to know what happened on my own. Not what I would say if I was regressed. Maybe I would not remember anyway like Melody here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 13:05:57 GMT -6
Poor girl- what a terrifying experience! I wonder why they kept her for almost 2 days?? Stoopid aliens...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 12:15:22 GMT -6
She is 17 and looking forward to high school?
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Post by Steve on Aug 17, 2013 14:07:51 GMT -6
It is an interesting story. The regressive hypo-therapy part of the story to me sounds feeble.
This is no reflection on the story by the experiencer, but it reads as if the hypnotherapist was either inexperienced, unwilling.....or unaware, being biased to penetrate any memory blocks usually present. These blocks are very common. They can be placed there by the phenomenon encountered (a very broad term being used here admittedly) or by the experiencer herself as her mind protects itself as it often does naturally from what it interprets as a traumatic event. Likely a combination of these two factors.
An inexperienced hypnotherapist would be unaware of how high a 'firewall' these memory blocks can represent. With persistence these blocks can be penetrated, but if takes time without posing leading questions or suggestions to the subject.
I suspect the 'psychiatrists' mentioned were the ones that recommended who to go to for the regressive hypnosis. This can, depending on the attitude or forbearing of the hypnotherapist toward the subject of 'alien abduction' have a great influence how the case in the final summation is viewed.
Most to all psychiatrists I'm sure following good practice would wish to seek more conventional possibilities what is ailing the patient first. Looking for horses before zebras as we say. Also, their professional reputations are on the line without methodical evaluation of other theories first. Dr. Benjamin Simon who treated the Hill's case in the early 60's for example found the alien abduction claims if intriguing, an unacceptable hypothesis for the Hill's anxiety in his treatment. At that time these abduction claims then we should remember were all so unprecedented.
In many published alien abduction accounts, many details are deliberately withheld by the author researcher. Details that a investigator might use to separate 'the wheat from the chaff'. Budd Hopkins and others always did this. Would a psychiatrists prescribed hypnotherapist know these consistent inside clues?
My opinion is the experiencer should go to other hypnotherapists more experienced and open to the suspected possibility of an alien abduction. Or even other possibilities about what may have happened wishing to be unbiased. I strongly suspect there is much much more the experiencer is unaware of yet that may have occurred.
The question is: In who you choose to regress an 'experiencer' already ruin any unbiased investigation? It could be possible in this case an accredited licensed hypnotherapist was selected that would provide or support the prescribing psychiatrists preconceived views. The same bias might be true in reverse finding a therapist very accepting of 'alien abduction'.
It is good science to check for horses before zebras, but is it good science to not be open to other possibilities also? Most professionals would likely follow the easier and 'safer' way out. What is the correct path to the truth? Steve
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 15:08:46 GMT -6
She is 17 and looking forward to high school? "I was 17 and was looking forward to my senior year in high school." (from the article) I can distinctly remember feeling this way myself. I turned 17 in May, went to California to visit relatives in the summer, and looked forward to coming back my senior year and being with all my friends . Other things about this experience "rings bells" for me. Other than the being gone for "40 hours".
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Post by Steve on Aug 17, 2013 15:29:14 GMT -6
As CE-4 cases go...40 hours is not unprecedented, but a very unusually long length of time. Also credible are others noticing the experiencers absence marking the length of time.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 17, 2013 21:56:22 GMT -6
It sounds to me like she already thought she was abducted which is probably why she decided to do the regression hypnosis. Does that mean that the investigation is already biased? It would be pretty unusual for a person who did not think they were abducted to want to undergo regression, and even more so that they would seek out a therapist who actually had experience working with alien abductees. The two pretty much have to seek each other out in order to find one another. Does that mean that all abduction related regressions are biased? Do the abductee and hypnotist simply feed off of one another to support their already formed conclusions?
I don't find it odd that the woman didn't remember anything. I was hypnotized once (for something totally unrelated to aliens or abductions) and I couldn't remember a thing. My mind was totally blank. It would probably take somebody with a lot of experience (and a lot of time) to open it up.
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Post by Steve on Aug 17, 2013 23:33:14 GMT -6
You Have a point Sky. Maybe a desire to be 'unbiased' in a public mind is in essence to ignore a clear 'lead'. Also in the abduction cases I have been involved with directly, a person usually approaches you with their own hunch or expectation they have been abducted already.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 9:40:47 GMT -6
I agree Sky...sometimes it's just an overall feeling of oddness or elements in your memories that aren't normally there. I knew something out of the ordinary had happened that day but there were 'other' things like the FBI run in that skewed the 'weird' perception.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 11:22:11 GMT -6
It seems that the "white" room is a common occurance. I've been in one and I've read of a few other people who've been in one. My heart goes out to her.
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Post by lois on Sept 14, 2013 19:51:27 GMT -6
The room I was pulled up into was a glowing wall of light. There was no colored walls. I can see something more which I aimed to post. This new image came to me late at night about three months ago. I feel it is real. The room had a railing around the inter most center of the room . Which put me dead center of it. Something comes from a door that opens on the left but I will not look at it it is walking toward me around the railing on the left side of the room. I feel it was a woman or female and she walks with a jerky walk. the jerky is not from her head at all but only the legs and arms. Very creep like a bug. The bug look is why I stop my mind from going in farther I see her now but with no face. She is not a gray. Thin and very very tall. I always blot it out. The streamers of light coming from the vertical slats making up the wall dim some and I can see the lower part of the room now. It should be a break through for me after 40 years but I still won't let it happen. Another note was and has always been even when I was walking toward this ship that the light in the ship was the whitest light I had ever seen. I know it was not a white room as describe by abductees. It was made from some kind of energy force. Could there be some kind of connection here? The room appeared to be white but it was the light which may of gave it that look. Maybe the abductee did not realize it. I could see why that would be the case but I seen where this white was coming from... even from out side as I stood under the porthole of the ship. This white energy was a orange red ball of fire as this ship came toward me. After the green beam hit the ground the room inside the porthole had turned to snow white not like the red ball of fire. It was moving when it was red energy but white when standing still. I know its occupants were not from this earth. Maybe that is why I do not want to look. But I think BUG is the real reason. The face has to be bug like as the hind legs of a grasshopper is how it legs and arm appeared to me and jerking. I fear to look at grass hopper eyes like the Edsel cars at 16. There is such a alien as steve showed me on another forum the occupants of a case in Canada years back. It all fit. Now Auntym has posted that same case here at TEOR. In this case they are wearing blue suits and they do not resemble having these bug like arms and legs, only the faces. I have always thought the Allagash Four witnessed what I saw. Their abduction was in 75 three years after mine.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 19, 2013 18:06:37 GMT -6
I read a lot of comments about tainted investigations and biased regressions, I've been doing hypnosis and regressions for many years. If it is done correctly there shouldn't be a problem. If a person consciously thinks they were abducted, when put under deeply enough they will tell you the truth. Even if your conscious mind believes something, that doesn't always mean the sub or higher consciousness does. I feel the need to point out also, some friends and I experimented with this enough times to call it factual. We tried lying under hypnosis and asking questions about incidents that didn't happen. In one case, I put a woman named candy under, I had her permission but she didn't know what I was going to ask. I asked her why her dog barked every night. (She did not have a dog)She was unable to answer. On another case I allowed myself to go under. The questioner asked me why I let my husband beat me every evening before bed. I stayed silent as well because there was no base of information to answer the question with. Basically what I am getting at is that it is a lot harder to make someone describe a lie under hypnosis or buy into an event that didn't happen. It really has to be deliberate with base commands such as "You were abducted by aliens, how did that make you feel" You also can't make a person believe something under hypnosis the consciousness does not accept. That is why it is so hard to make the whole weight loss and stop smoking with hypnosis work. I am not saying it isn't possible, I am saying though that it has to be deliberate, and you have to have a very good technical understanding of language and communications to make forced things work with hypnosis. I have had too many cases working with lortab addicts, smokers and overweight people trying to kick their habits with hypnosis to believe otherwise. That being put out there, the whole issue with touching someone with an ink pen and telling them it was a lit cigarette and the mind actually creating a burn mark is true. BUT the big BUT lol it has to be right then and there. You can't just tell someone I burnt you with a hot poker last week and have a burn pop up. Heck I have even tried getting friends to tell me the winning lottery numbers while under hypnosis LMAO! That was just in case the subconscious has access to future events. I am still a starving artist so obviously it didn't lol! I have to wonder though, is it possible to alter a persons perception of reality using sound wave forced hypnosis? It is not quite the same as talking someone into a deep state of relaxation.......
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Post by daymoon on Sept 19, 2013 18:37:49 GMT -6
I know I know, I am chatty tonight, I went looking for ufo encounter groups in Oklahoma after reading about the one in Portland. I ran across a lady who's name I have heard before just can't remember where. Anyway, her name is Dr. Karla Turner. I got the impression she had a seriously bad alien abduction experience and it seems as though she is looking for them all to be horrible and abusive. I don't think they all are, sure maybe a lot of them maybe even more than half, but all? Any thoughts on Dr. Karla or her lists of abusive alien contact?
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Post by daymoon on Sept 19, 2013 18:38:26 GMT -6
I know I know, I am chatty tonight, I went looking for ufo encounter groups in Oklahoma after reading about the one in Portland. I ran across a lady who's name I have heard before just can't remember where. Anyway, her name is Dr. Karla Turner. I got the impression she had a seriously bad alien abduction experience and it seems as though she is looking for them all to be horrible and abusive. I don't think they all are, sure maybe a lot of them maybe even more than half, but all? Any thoughts on Dr. Karla or her lists of abusive alien contact?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 18:49:29 GMT -6
I know I know, I am chatty tonight, I went looking for ufo encounter groups in Oklahoma after reading about the one in Portland. I ran across a lady who's name I have heard before just can't remember where. Anyway, her name is Dr. Karla Turner. I got the impression she had a seriously bad alien abduction experience and it seems as though she is looking for them all to be horrible and abusive. I don't think they all are, sure maybe a lot of them maybe even more than half, but all? Any thoughts on Dr. Karla or her lists of abusive alien contact? I've read two of her books recently and I found what she thought interesting. Reading them brought up things that I'd forgotten or didn't think that they were connected to the phenomenon.
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Post by sunbow on Sept 19, 2013 20:27:52 GMT -6
Karla believes that in addition to ET encounters, she had MILAB military or government mind control experiments conducted on her. I read her books a while ago. They are free on the internet since Karla has passed away.
I personally believe many of them are consciousness and psychically enhancing, but it scares the sh-t out of the person and the persons fear overlays dark thoughts on the true reality. Very likely there are many groups doing many things, which adds to why it is all so hard to figure out.
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Post by daymoon on Sept 20, 2013 8:29:42 GMT -6
I've read two of her books recently and I found what she thought interesting. Reading them brought up things that I'd forgotten or didn't think that they were connected to the phenomenon. I hate to admit it, but I honestly found it to be disturbing. Somewhere in the back of my mind I know not all the reptilians are bad if that makes any sense at all. Maybe it is a screen like she claims? I don't know. I just know that I don't have any bad emotional association with the one I met in dreamland. I have put myself under hypnosis many times and punched through quite a few odd screens that I knew weren't quite what they seemed. So far none of those screens were reptilian associated. Now speaking of which, I did have a weirdo dream like state about these one alien beings who looked like they were covered with a sticky greyish waxy substance. Now they were some evil sob's! I think the event of alien abduction, regardless of if it is real or a vivid dream or whatever, is what the one experiencing makes of it. Some people are terrified of having blood drawn or getting a tattoo while others don't mind. I find it really hard to believe though that the only interest aliens have of humans is sex. That right there throws up a red flag on a lot of alien abductions. Maybe not ALL of the cases, but I would be willing to bet quite a few of them are based on repression of sexual desires. In a females case, well let's face harsh reality, most women are deathly afraid to admit to a partner what she really desires in bed and the desires either go on building up closed off from conscious as sinful or deviant. In a males case, even if one is not gay, there is a latent curiosity for a lot of men to wonder what is it about same sex relationships that makes it so desirable to homosexuals. Granted, i do believe in some situations it really did happen to the person in a really bad way, but I also know for a fact that you can get up and fight. You don't have to allow the bright light to freeze you and you don't have to just lay there ad put up with being victimized. It just takes convincing the part of that is being abused to break loose and start kicking some rear end. Think about it, if none of us were a threat to them in any way, then what would be the purpose in trying to make it all seem like it wasn't a bad experience? If we (the human race) were no threat then why even bother to cover it up because we couldn't do anything about it anyway so why waste the energy? The human soul is a nuclear reactor of energy with an endless supply of plutonium. But how many people do you know who are bothering to access that energy? Not enough of them. Those that do are not being victimized by their own fear. I don't know if every one is capable of doing it, but it seems to me if your physical body is frozen or paralyzed, then have an out of body experience and start blasting some jerks. Get up or at least try to do something. Don't just lay there and let it happen while you cry. Nobody deserves to be a victim, human or non human.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 2:07:23 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum daymoon. Your most recent post is fascinating and empowering. I'm inclined to agree with you that most of the sexual abuse of abductees could be sexual fantasies- although I'm sure you are much more well versed in how the human mind works than I am... I can however see this being the case in many cases. I do however have a slight issue with your pep talk in this post. I know the human spirit is a formidable opponent to almost anything which could possibly stand in the way of a determined individual's intentions- but have you ever been lying helpless on a sofa while completely paralyzed and unable to move even one little finger inspite of your most determined efforts? I have been in this very situation and it is not something which one can easily overcome simply by force of will... The grays seem to have this unusual ability to manipulate our nervous systems. No amount of willpower it seems can counteract this ability they possess. I can understand that how in some cases of supposed abductions willpower was able to free some people from their paralysis but I wonder whether or not these cases are truly genuine. Sleep paralysis can also be quite terrifying- I know because I have had it repeatedly throughout my life (thankfully not recently). I have discovered that whenever I have an episode of sleep paralysis the very first thing I try to do is move. The reason why I do this is because once I am able to move an arm or a leg or lift my head up off of my pillow it immediately breaks the paralysis and it always jolts me out of the episode into full consciousness... however sometimes I found myself unable to break the paralysis and I think these episodes were, in fact, actual abduction experiences. One time I was able to move my arm after being paralyzed for several seconds and nothing happened- I didn't wake up and I still couldn't move and then I suddenly felt like my body was rushing downwards rapidly and I thought for sure I was falling straight down to hell because the demons had gotten a hold of me somehow- then I finally woke up in a cold sweat. It's quite a terrifying experience to be paralyzed and helpless. Willpower isn't enough to break free sometimes...
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Post by daymoon on Sept 22, 2013 6:42:38 GMT -6
Lorelei, when I say get up and do something, I am not talking about moving your physical body.I am talking about get up out of your body, like many people do when they have an out of body experience or astral project. Have you ever heard of activating your inner merkaba engine? Christopher Penzack writes quite a bit about it in his inner outer temple books. Basically what I am getting at is this, the human soul, spirit, whatever you want to call it is more powerful than most people give credit too. If one was in tune enough with their soul energy and that merkaba engine, imagine if one had the soul of say, a werewolf, and you stepped out of your body and wreaked a little havoc during an abduction. I know it all sounds a bit janky, but give it some thought. I have experienced some unreal things. I had a witch (years ago) repair two bulged disks in my back in the blink of an eye. And yeah I have MRI photos to prove it. I have also come face to face with shadow people, vampires and angels. LOL I havent had a dull moment since I can remember I think. Anyways, expand your ideas on this beyond the physical, if your body feels paralyzed, try relaxing and allowing your energy body to move around. Right now I am looking into writing a piece on combining what was once considered witch craft, religion and psychic techniques into a more today's scientific wording. I think people have forgotten just how much power they really have at their disposal that aliens and other non physical yuckies have been draining for a very long time. Imagine if you could harness all your emotional energy into say, a sword or a shield during an abduction. Is it even possible? I believe it is. So far since I have started down this path, I have not had one single hand on my forehead while trying to sleep, nor a single nightmare of being bothered by things I can't quite see. Even the vampires and shadow people are avoiding me like the plague. I guess I am just so resound to not being anyone or anythings victim anymore that it pushed me to a breaking point and I am willing to try just about anything to fight back. I refuse to let anything have power over me. Especially not little debbie snacks, those dammed things are true evil.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 14:28:53 GMT -6
I see. That's an interesting idea- escape the abduction experience through "astral travel".
Hmmmm... I don't think I've ever done that. I think I'd be too scared to be honest...
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Post by daymoon on Sept 23, 2013 16:04:35 GMT -6
I see. That's an interesting idea- escape the abduction experience through "astral travel". Hmmmm... I don't think I've ever done that. I think I'd be too scared to be honest... I think I did once but I am not sure, it was a pretty blurry dream state. It just seems to me, that if a person can manipulate energy, why not manipulate alien energy? When you are outside of your body can do all sorts of odd things. I think it is worth trying and I am going to make a real effort the next time something bothers me.
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