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Post by plutronus on Sept 19, 2013 9:56:21 GMT -6
Anybody catch NBC News (anchor Pete Williams') exposition on the Washington Naval Center shooting last (09-18-2013) evening?
See: www.nbcnews.com/health/not-diagnosis-voices-head-more-common-thought-4B11186594"Aaron Alexis, the man police shot and killed putting an end to the shooting rampage where Alexis, using two shotguns shot and killed 12 people in a Washington Navy Yard, reportedly called police to complain about people following him and that he was hearing voices. He sought mental health treatment from a nearby VA hospital, officials said. Reports that the shooter who killed a dozen people in Monday’s Washington Navy Yard attack was hearing voices raises the possibility of mental illness -- but it’s not a diagnosis, an expert said. “I think it’s too early to guess what the real motivation was in this recent case,” said Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, president of the American Psychiatric Association.
"Aaron Alexis, the 34-year-old gunman who shot up a Washington DC Navy facility, appeared to report auditory hallucinations which apparently motivated him to call out for help when he called police to a Rhode Island hotel six weeks ago, saying that he was hearing voices in the closet and that he wanted "to move to a Navy hotel for protection."It seems likely to me, that Alexis was a US Navy veteran, as he had sought VA (Veteran Administration) Medical center assistance, which apparently was declined. Folks can't just saunter in and wander around on a US Military facility, to do so requires approval. He wandered in with weapons too. All US Military facilities have ingress/egress guard-shacks that restrict and control public access. So how did Alexis gain entrance with shotguns? Maybe he used his Navy ID card? The shotguns being in the trunk. Its curious that there was no mention about him having been in the US Navy, while news commentators commented as to 'why Alexis would shoot up a Navy facility?', and "out of the blue", so-to-speak. Not a peep was mentioned about Alexis being ex-Navy on the US state-controlled news channels.
However Alexis did a leave one clue, --he scratched an inscription into the butts of his shotguns that he used to kill Navy personnel. One inscription was: "Here's my ELF weapon", while Pete Williams' NBC News anchor, said in comment about the inscription, "No one knows what that means?"
Yep.
In any case it is a tragedy and those poor innocent Navy personnel had nothing to do with demons he was fighting.
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Post by bewildered on Sept 19, 2013 12:32:30 GMT -6
No veteran can be denied care at a VA medical facility. Payment of services, if required, is determined on a case-by-case basis by an intake specialist. Unemployed veterans or those with little or no income can receive medical care from the VA free of charge; no service-related disability is required. I'd be interested in discovering why this person was "denied" treatment by the VA if he was indeed a veteran. If he wasn't a veteran, the VA would refer an individual seeking care to the appropriate non-VA medical facility. In any event, if a non-veteran shows up at a VA facility in need of emergency care, they will receive the appropriate stabilizing treatment before being transferred to a public or private hospital.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 12:49:58 GMT -6
My husband is a vet and has VA benefits...no vet can be refused..fees worked out later. The government doesn't worry about dollars they just take it from pensions or whatever they need to do. The Navy had already been informed that he had been hearing voices and was sure people were after him ...he was having a mental melt down. Happens every day..just not usually in a Government compound and usually not with people dying. Since he had a valid pass...no one looked for a weapon concealed. Not a conspiracy theory..just a mental meltdown that no one listened to soon enough
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 16:24:57 GMT -6
In future cases (yes, there will be more ), watch for "them" to quit saying that the perpetrator heard voices. Even in the past, this "little tidbit" has a tendency to show up in books more than in real-time broadcasts.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 19, 2013 19:15:17 GMT -6
However Alexis did a leave one clue, --he scratched an inscription into the butts of his shotguns that he used to kill Navy personnel. One inscription was: "Here's my ELF weapon", while Pete Williams' NBC News anchor, said in comment about the inscription, "No one knows what that means?" "No one knows what that means?" Really?? I would be willing to bet every UFO/conspiracy theorist on the internet knows what it means so how can this so-called "investigative journalist" not know? ELF is the abbreviation for Extremely Low Frequency which has been "theorized" (Ha! ) to be a type of mind-control weapon being developed and/or used by the government. Obviously the dude believed that the Feds were using these ELF weapons on him and he thought that was the reason he was hearing voices. His attack on the naval base was probably an act of revenge against the government for what he believed they were doing to him. He also scratched the phrase "better off this way" into the guns which presumably means that he went there planning on getting killed. I would venture to say that was his suicide note. Of course I'm just speculating here. I've done a very brief bit of research into this and it appears that Alexis had a history of behavioral issues. He was thrown out of a club in Atlanta for disturbing the police and he shot the tires out of a car up in Seattle. He also was reportedly working near the World Trade Center when the 9/11 attacks occurred and he claimed to have rescued people from the burning buildings. He also claimed to be having symptoms of PTSD because of what he had experienced that day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 23:00:06 GMT -6
Paranoid schizophrenia ...he lost touch with reality and slipped into some nightmare where everyone was after him.
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Post by plutronus on Sept 20, 2013 1:24:03 GMT -6
My husband is a vet and has VA benefits...no vet can be refused..fees worked out later. The government doesn't worry about dollars they just take it from pensions or whatever they need to do. The Navy had already been informed that he had been hearing voices and was sure people were after him ...he was having a mental melt down. Happens every day..just not usually in a Government compound and usually not with people dying. Since he had a valid pass...no one looked for a weapon concealed. Not a conspiracy theory..just a mental meltdown that no one listened to soon enough Why would a civilian contractor visit a VA facility? My guess is that he was one hitcher. And guard shacks since 9/11, now always search doing a fast-eye-ball of non-military personnel vehicles. At least that's been my direct recent experience while working as an employee of a major military engineering company within the last five years. Perhaps owing to the extreme corruption that exists in the local Washington DC area (eg not Capital corruption), perhaps they are just sloppy? Its possible, not too likely, but possible. I'd like to know how Alexis got those guns on base, irregardless of whether he was schizo and-or actually the victim of a psychotronic attack.
Most here will never know, unless ya remote-view it.
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Post by bewildered on Sept 20, 2013 2:00:22 GMT -6
Unless any real evidence surfaces to support even a shred of his story, it's not worth entertaining. I can think of a few very far-out things happening right now that can be verified. For example, DNA computing: article about that here. Or, the de-extinction of species, or couched in different terminology, bringing extinct species back to life: read about it here. That's already been done with an extinct species of goat in Spain, and is in progress for the Carrier Pigeon. Printed meat: yum? Unless some form of verification surfaces, I'd say that jo is quite correct.
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Post by skywalker on Sept 20, 2013 7:02:28 GMT -6
Why would a civilian contractor visit a VA facility? My guess is that he was one hitcher. And guard shacks since 9/11, now always search doing a fast-eye-ball of non-military personnel vehicles. At least that's been my direct recent experience while working as an employee of a major military engineering company within the last five years. Perhaps owing to the extreme corruption that exists in the local Washington DC area (eg not Capital corruption), perhaps they are just sloppy? Its possible, not too likely, but possible. I'd like to know how Alexis got those guns on base, irregardless of whether he was schizo and-or actually the victim of a psychotronic attack. Most here will never know, unless ya remote-view it. From what I read he was in the Navy Reserve and had a pass to get on the base. The shotguns were supposedly disassembled when he first went on and he reassembled them after getting past the main gate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 9:36:48 GMT -6
He was a long time reservest which entitled him to use the VA. He was then discharged..hoannably. He can still use the VA but has to pay a percentage. He then got a job with a civilian contractor giving him an ID to go back and forth to work. Which is how he got in that day. He has had serious mental issues for a very long time.
I'm not sure what the issue would be here with the VA. He was entitled to go there for medical treatment and he was..unfortunately no one pushed the message up the chain far enough that he was seriously sick...and dangerous. People snap every day ..most get help before they open fire. Looking back in history..there have been more than a few...who didn't get help fast enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 14:36:52 GMT -6
unfortunately no one pushed the message up the chain far enough that he was seriously sick...and dangerous. People snap every day ..most get help before they open fire. Looking back in history..there have been more than a few...who didn't get help fast enough. "Seriously Sick . . . and Dangerous " pi_ _ es me off (not at You, Jo ). This guy was young? Functioning fairly well (we presume) at his day/night job? Anyone remember the story of Margot Kidder (the lady who played "lois" in the old Superman movies) being in someones' backyard, being disoriented, and going through their trash? How about the actor Robert Downey jr. (todays' Ironman) who was found sleeping in the child's bed of a neighbor, after a partying binge? yeah, yeah, Hollywood. But only 2 examples of highly publicized cases. I'm sorry. I guess I'm left to conclude that the only hyper-vigilant guy at this shoot-out place had called in sick this day. "people snap every day". . . . yep. Does anyone really notice. How many "snaps" does it take before a person hurts others (but not to this extent). Yeah, they've established a behavior pattern with this guy, supposedly. Someone knew. I don't believe that its just "hind sight" for one second. Again, I'm sorry. People can't complain about rights violations, too much surveillance going on, yada, yada, and also take in this CR _ P. (you can always tell when I've snapped! )
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Post by skywalker on Sept 22, 2013 17:24:45 GMT -6
Again, I'm sorry. People can't complain about rights violations, too much surveillance going on, yada, yada, and also take in this CR _ P. Sounds to me like the rights violations and too much surveillance are part of what pushed him over the edge if he seriously thought he was hearing voices and having a Fed mind-meld being performed on him. I've noticed that quite a few otherwise "sane" individuals have been acting paranoidically bizarro lately. There was that UFO/conspiracy theory investigator out west who went nuts (for some still unexplainable reason) and murdered two people before getting into a shootout with the police where he was gunned down. Then there was the conspiracy theorist/journalist who was recently killed in a fiery car crash because he thought he was on to a really big story and that people were trying to stop him from reporting it. Most recently is the case of Steven Greer, who has been gaining all sorts of attention because of the Atacama little "alien" body. He reportedly showed up at a UFO conference with several bodyguards who proceeded to lock all of the doors to the auditorium and would not allow anyone to enter or leave while giving his presentation. Talk about paranoid. He could have been arrested and/or sued for that. The bigger, more powerful and more intrusive and abusive the government gets the more people are going to be pushed off the deep end. Paranoid people can only take so much stress before they snap. The ironic thing is that the government justifies their behavior because of incidents like this without realizing that it is their very own behavior that is causing incidents like this to take place.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 20:16:45 GMT -6
The ironic thing is that the government justifies their behavior because of incidents like this without realizing that it is their very own behavior that is causing incidents like this to take place. without realizing. Hmmmmmmmmm. They can throw out some stuff we call counterinpro~ on u~foes, and we still know there's some truth to those buggers. See, I'm getting more parannoyed already, . (when you say, "justifies their behavior", you are so right, Sky).
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Post by skywalker on Sept 22, 2013 20:31:57 GMT -6
without realizing. Hmmmmmmmmm. I was debating whether or not I should put those two words in there. It's very possible they do realize what they are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 20:51:35 GMT -6
SOME of them really do. And I think some of them are keeping their minds focused purposely on "the means to an end", or the company procedure. I guess it pays well, the feelings of "power" are overwhelming, and bottom line, it works as some sort of futuristic propaganda.
Woe to them who are turned on (hurt, brainwashed, etc.) by someone who is their best friend. How will they know? Some "gap" in the program?
What makes a persons' heart, mind, and check book untouchable if this is really happening to the extent it appears to be. Do the "Elite" have some sort of shield that protects them from stray ELF?
Stray ELF? Huh?
We are not gods/goddesses. You'd have to experiment on every human to know how each individual will react. It's a game of chance, and so far we don't know just how deep IN this game goes.
Right now, all the experiment calls for is a level of chaos. Relatively easy.
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