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Post by auntym on May 15, 2014 15:08:36 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/malaysian-flight-0515May 14, 2014 DISAPPEARANCE OF MALAYSIAN FLIGHT MH370, UFO INVOLVEMENT? PART IBy Doc Vega When one ponders the question of a vanished jet airliner full of passengers flying through uncontested international air space with the aid of modern day navigation tools and advanced tracking technology it seems fantastic to consider that this giant aircraft cannot be accounted for. Does it lay under thousands of feet of cold, murky, ocean water in the Indian ocean forever lost to the annals of aviation mystery? Or, is there something more disturbing more compelling here than a crash into the ocean that has yet to reveal itself to the NTSB or the dedicated team of international experts trying to locate its final resting place somewhere deep on the ocean floor? Frequently lostThere is a history of missing jet airliners that have suddenly disappeared from radar screens with the last comments made by the flight crew usually being vague and unhelpful in yielding any clues as to the fate of the aircraft and those aboard. The list of these tragic losses are better known in military circles when regarding the fate of interceptors lost to the unknown in pursuit of UFO’s when ordered to defend civilian air space, but when non-military passenger jets tracked on radar and guided by air traffic controllers suddenly vanish it almost always fuels speculation and rumor. Vastness that swallows the unsuspectingThe long history of aircraft and pilot vanishings can be traced back decades and sheds no more light upon the present than the events that continue to perplex us today. What occurred in the past only reminds us that it can and will happen again. It seems that those who attempt to explore the vastness of the earth’s oceans from the air or innocently travel on personal business within comfortable passenger jets, while military aviators are called upon to defend the territory of their nations it seems the unpredictable can occur at any time. That strange twist of fate that leaves us asking how and why in the aftermath of these disappearances also reminds us that we are not so advanced once in the hands of nature or in harm’s way. No conventional explanationsTo consider what exactly happened to Malaysian Flight 370 with a plethora of navigational course recordings and contradictory theories is maddening, but while arriving at no definitive answers only seems to buttress the argument that something out of the ordinary occurred. Something that seems to hint at more than a pilot who wanted to intentionally crash his plane, something more insidious than a hi-jacking, or even more compelling than a catastrophic mechanical failure. When one considers that no traces of debris or wreckage have been found under the intensely orchestrated air and sea searches launched by a multi-national task force of Asian countries in the region, it seems like a classic case of the inexplicable that can only be attributed to a UFO mid-air abduction. Yet, how can we possibly arrive at such a disturbing conclusion? Theories or evidence of something more?Naturally, conspiracy theories abound when a huge passenger jet simply disappears and remains unaccounted for after weeks of intensive search by an international partnership of search and rescue specialists. Are these theories really justified though? Unfortunately, there was no witness testimony to justify that a UFO or unidentified aerial phenomenon was within close proximity to the Malaysian Flight 370. So, there seems little corroborating evidence to draw upon. The only thing that can be derived from all of this is that there is a verifiable record of passenger jet disappearances that seem not only inexplicable, but disturbingly frequent over the past decades of widely accepted worldwide air travel. Is the consensus that under such conditions a certain amount of mysterious losses that do not add up to be expected in such huge bodies of water that extend for millions of square miles? CONTINUE READING: ufodigest.com/article/malaysian-flight-0515
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Post by auntym on May 16, 2014 13:10:03 GMT -6
ufodigest.com/article/malaysian-flight-0516DISAPPEARANCE OF MALAYSIAN FLIGHT MHS370: WAS THERE UFO INVOLVEMENT? - PART IIBy Doc Vega the F-89 Scorpion all-weather interceptor one of many fighter jets to confront UFO's If you missed Part I of this article click here: ufodigest.com:8080/article/malaysian-flight-0515In addressing the possibility that Flight 370 vanished in the presence of a UAP (Unknown Aerial Phenomenon) we must weigh the plausibility of such a scenario by past reports of amazing and terrorizing encounters that have transpired though out the past. Does the key to the fate of Flight 370 share the similarities with the following UFO encounters? We shall explore the incidents of the past and see if such events mirror what happened to the ill-fated Boeing 777 and its 227 passengers who should have arrived in Beijing once departed from Kuala Lumpur. Kinross Incident1953 over Lake Superior an F-89 all-weather Scorpion interceptor jet streaks across stormy skies vectored to the radar target of a UFO. Lieutenant Felix Moncla and his backseat radar officer are enroute to identify the “Bogey” on course with their bizarre appointment with fate. When US Air Force radar technicians watch as the two blips merge on their screens all contact is lost with the F-89 and its two man crew. Neither the aircraft nor pilots are ever seen or recovered again after an intensive search. Donald Keyhoe makes an attempt to uncover more of the truth as the US Air Force blamed a Royal Canadian Air Force cargo plane for the incident which officials denied. To the appreciation of Moncla’s and 2nd Lieutenant Robert Wilson’s families were grateful to Keyhoe for using his sources to uncover key clues and suppressed information about the incident. UFO Confrontation over Mansfield, OHOctober 18, 1973 US Army Captain Lawrence Coyne and his helicopter crew and over Mansfield, Ohio at about 10:30 pm when the 4 man crew encounter a startling spectacle! Sgt. Healey spots a red aerial light to the west of their position as the Army Reserve unit conducts routine maneuvers. A few moments later the red light is observed again on the horizon and begins to move toward the UH-1H hovering at 2,500 ft. and travelling at 90 knots. Within minutes the steady approach of the strange light seems on a collision course with the stunned crew. Captain Coyne takes control of the helicopter and forces his craft into a powered dive leveling off at 600 ft. yet the mysterious airborne light continues to converge. Amazingly, the unknown aerial object comes to a halt very close to the helicopter filling the windscreen with its presence. A green piercing light splashes the UH-1H copter and its crew and is even observed from the ground by witnesses. Now even under the Captain’s control his UH-1H begins climbing in altitude while the Captain maintains a downward thrust, but to no avail. The strange red light connected to a large structure that also had a white light on its other end seemed to be in a tug of war with the copter crew. Captain Coyne noted that with his collective in the downward position his UH-1H was now at 3,000 ft. and climbing at a rate of 1000 feet per minute. Finally the unknown aerial intruder broke off its encounter with the Helicopter crew and flew off in the direction of Lake Erie leaving a dazed Army crew behind. Why did this UFO come out of nowhere and begin trying to force the UH-1H into a contest of wills where it seemed that the ultimate intention was to pull the Army helicopter in tow to a higher altitude? Would they have been abducted? It seems likely had the quick thinking Captain Coyne not forced his helicopter into a steep descent. For years Captain Lawrence Coyne continued to share his story with audiences across the US. HE and his crew were fortunate to have survived such an encounter and live to tell about it. CONTINUE READING PART 2: ufodigest.com/article/malaysian-flight-0516
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Post by auntym on May 16, 2014 16:48:34 GMT -6
us.cnn.com/2014/05/15/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t2&icid=maing-grid7 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Who has satellite data that shaped search?By Catherine E. Shoichet, Holly Yan and Mike Ahlers, CNN Fri May 16, 2014 Inmarsat: Malaysians have the raw data (CNN) -- Who has the data investigators used to shape their search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and why hasn't it been released to the public? The answer to those questions depends on who you ask. Facing a growing chorus of criticism from scientists and family members who want to see more details about why searchers are combing the southern Indian Ocean for the missing Boeing 777, Malaysia's top transportation official Thursday claimed his country doesn't have the raw data from the satellite's communication with the plane as it flew thousands of miles off course. Photos: The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Photos: The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 The data is crucial because it's what led investigators to the area where they're currently searching for the plane. And in recent days, some scientists outside the investigation have suggested they don't trust investigators' analysis of the data, and questioned whether searchers are even looking in the right place. Inmarsat: Malaysians have the raw data Where is the MH370 satellite data? Bluefin-21 search for MH370 halted Has 'ping' evidence led search astray? "The raw data is with (satellite company) Inmarsat, not with Malaysia, not with Australia, not with Malaysia Airlines, so if there is any request for this raw data to be made available to the public, it must be made to Inmarsat," Acting Minister of Transportation Hishammuddin Hussein said. Australian officials heading the search in the Southern Indian Ocean tell CNN they don't have the raw data, either. But Inmarsat, which owns the satellites, insists that the data has already been released to investigators. "Inmarsat's raw data was provided to the investigation team at an early stage in the search for MH370," Chris McLaughlin, the company's vice president of external relations, told CNN's "Erin Burnett: OutFront." He added, "We have very high confidence in the analysis of this data, which was independently evaluated by the international teams accredited to the official investigation." It's up to investigators, he said, to decide what they want to release -- and when. The company says the Convention on International Civil Aviation prevents the release findings from an investigation without the consent from the state conducting the investigation. "I don't know who to believe," CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien said. "But isn't it awful that it's quite evident somebody is lying here? Somebody is lying. We're talking about something that involves a missing airliner, now 70 days. Lives lost, families shattered. And there (are) people lying about this. This is absolutely reprehensible. I can't even believe...it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic." Aviation attorney Arthur Rosenberg said he thinks the satellite company is obligated to release the data, whether or not Malaysian authorities have it. "Unfortunately, you almost get the sense that they're stalling, that there's something in there that they don't want the world to see. And that's the problem," O'Brien said. "That's why there's so little credibility right now about why this search zone has been identified." CONTINUE READING: us.cnn.com/2014/05/15/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t2&icid=maing-grid7
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Post by paulette on May 17, 2014 23:41:02 GMT -6
I have thought this was weird in so many ways from the get-go. There is zero credibility IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 21:06:49 GMT -6
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Post by paulette on May 21, 2014 0:35:16 GMT -6
Once you have eliminated the impossible you are left with the truth....Sherlock Holmes/something like that...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 11:57:44 GMT -6
Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose two explanations are equally likely. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is. Occam's razor applies especially in the philosophy of science, but also more generally.
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Post by skywalker on May 22, 2014 22:36:01 GMT -6
Why do they call it a razor?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 23:12:53 GMT -6
razor refers to the act of shaving away unnecessary assumptions to get to the simplest explanation.
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Post by skywalker on May 24, 2014 17:58:23 GMT -6
I kind of suspected it was something like that...like cutting down to the truth maybe. If that was the case though they could have called it Occam's knife or Occam's sword or Occam's light-sabre...which would sound kind of cool.
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Post by paulette on May 28, 2014 20:30:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 7:30:18 GMT -6
Ocam's light saber has a depthy ring to it
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Post by paulette on Jun 11, 2014 15:55:56 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 14:16:48 GMT -6
Once you have eliminated the impossible you are left with the truth....Sherlock Holmes/something like that... ran across this: "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 9:51:24 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 9:51:52 GMT -6
You couldn't pay me enough money to fly Malaysian Airlines..another 777 is down...with a possibility of being shot down near the Russian Ukraine border..295 feared lost. Poor souls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 10:15:00 GMT -6
Jokelly posted this crash on "general. . . " at the exact same time I posted this thread.
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Post by swamprat on Jul 17, 2014 10:57:47 GMT -6
SkyNews
Malaysian jetliner reportedly shot down over Ukraine near Russian border BREAKING NEWS: Malaysia Airlines confirms an incident — pictured above in an unconfirmed screen grab of the purported crash site — following reports that a passenger plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile in Ukraine near the Russian border, according to Sky News.
| VIDEO: Report: Boeing 777 crashes in Ukraine video.foxnews.com/v/3680229778001/report-malaysia-airlines-jet-crashes-in-ukraine/#sp=show-clips
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:19:04 GMT -6
Were I the Ukraine..I might just blow up a Boing 777 (which shouldn't have even been where it was) and blame it on Russia as relations between Russia and the US are already strained. Figuring of course that maybe Russia would then lay off of the Ukraine. Naturally if it WAS Russia..it means Putin has been telling a few fibs about his intentions over there. Maybe I am just more devious but that's what I'd do. Not everyone has a missile with that range...that would be the first eliminator in the rounds of who did it. Now everyone who has missiles with that range..raise your hands...the rest may go home.
I always figure Auntie will move it to where it needs to be if it's where it shouldn't be. BTW I always use my name on the net..I can't see pretending to be who I'm not. Jo...(nickname for Joda) Kelly. Feel free to call me Jo every one.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 17, 2014 17:10:05 GMT -6
Did somebody call you something else? I don't use my real name on the net but it's not because I'm trying to hide. It's just the name that I use when I write stuff. :l
I also agree with your missile theory, jo. Anybody could have fired that thing just point fingers at somebody else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 10:53:17 GMT -6
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Post by swamprat on Jul 19, 2014 18:39:19 GMT -6
This was posted on Casebook:Scam on FacebookCyberwarzone.com [ACTUAL FOOTAGE] Missile Fired from Pro-Russian Militants to Malaysian Airliner MH-17 [SCAM ON FACEBOOK]
19 July 2014
Be aware of the Missile Fired from Pro-Russian Militants to Malaysian Airliner MH-17 scam which is currently being shared on Facebook.
The hoax has been initiated by scammers to lure unaware users to malicious websites which will infect the users.
The Missile Fired from Pro-Russian Militants to Malaysian Airliner MH-17 hoax has been released on Facebook, after the MH-17 accident had taken place. The hoax is similar to the hoaxes which used the MH370 crash to infect unaware people with malware.
Missile Fired from Pro-Russian Militants to Malaysian Airliner MH-17
The scammers behind the Missile Fired from Pro-Russian Militants to Malaysian Airliner MH-17 hoax are using the Facebook template to lure unaware users to their malicious websites.
more after the jump: cyberwarzone.com/actual-footage-missile-fired-pro-russian-militants-malaysian-airliner-mh-17-scam-facebook/
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Post by skywalker on Jul 19, 2014 18:45:49 GMT -6
So does that mean it wasn't shot down by a missile?
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Post by paulette on Jul 19, 2014 19:53:59 GMT -6
On our news - men with automatic rifes gesturing for observers (official) to step back from the wreckage. Piles of body bags with bodies over 2 days old - being hauled off somewhere (no one seems to know where). Huge pieces of airplane resting on untouched grass (obviously moved at great effort). Neither black box found. (Or, not by official observers). Piles of broken liquor bottles and duty free bags that appear to have been looked at by being dumped on the ground. Do the Pro Russian forces not drink? Muslim?? Lots of alcohol bottles in piles.
It looks like no one will know IMO.
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Post by swamprat on Jul 19, 2014 20:31:45 GMT -6
"So does that mean it wasn't shot down by a missile?"
No! That is just a scam that is simply using the tragedy as an opportunity to suck people into going to their websites.
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Post by skywalker on Jul 19, 2014 21:42:27 GMT -6
On our news - men with automatic rifes gesturing for observers (official) to step back from the wreckage. Piles of body bags with bodies over 2 days old - being hauled off somewhere (no one seems to know where). Huge pieces of airplane resting on untouched grass (obviously moved at great effort). Neither black box found. (Or, not by official observers). Piles of broken liquor bottles and duty free bags that appear to have been looked at by being dumped on the ground. Do the Pro Russian forces not drink? Muslim?? Lots of alcohol bottles in piles. It looks like no one will know IMO. The pro-Russian forces are non-muslims which means they probably drink like Russians. The other side largely is Muslim (which is one of the reasons the two sides are fighting) so they probably don't drink. From the way you described it either the people "investigating" the scene are extremely incompetent or they are trying to cover things up...or both. A scientific analysis of the wreckage could determine if the plane had been hit by a missile. Chemical analysis could even tell what type of missile it was. Looks like that's not going to happen. Like you said...no one will know.
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Post by lois on Jul 20, 2014 9:43:26 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 20:07:06 GMT -6
It rather puts Putin in the hot seat because of some footage they have ..he's sending arms to the pro Russian dissidents. Something he claimed he wasn't doing. Well every government lies..why not that one? There was an India Air plane not 35 miles from the position of the one shot down who tried to reach them..they're just darned lucky they were a bit further out. I think..like bratty kids with toys..some idiots wanted to try out the nice missile launcher they had and did. I don't think Putin had a thing to do with it..but it's going to fry him pretty much internationally. No one is happy with Russia right now. People get really touchy about their dead being mishandled I would too. Stall tactics..menacing soldiers..not letting investigators in..giving them time to hide whatever they can. I understand war. Heck I grew up in the cold war era..hubby fought in Vietnam..most of my male relatives have served. What I loathe..is firing on a civilian plane carrying children. Knowing the fields are littered with bits and pieces of innocent humanity that is being carelessly handled. And the callous suckers who did this just for kicks..knowing that plane was no threat. I know...somewhere...somewhen..that what goes around comes around and Karma can be a b-itch.
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Post by auntym on Oct 11, 2014 15:21:11 GMT -6
www.theufochronicles.com/2014/10/why-planes-vanish-video.html Saturday, October 11, 2014 Why Planes Vanish | VIDEO By Miles O’Brien PBS.org 10-8-14
Can new technology prevent aircraft like Flight MH370 from disappearing without a trace? The disappearance of Flight MH370 stunned the world. In an era of smart-phones and GPS, how could a 270-ton passenger jet vanish into thin air? It was a rude awakening for all of us, showing just how far we are from the world we imagined we lived in—in which every move is monitored all the time. NOVA tells the inside story of the search for Flight MH370 and meets the key players from all corners of the globe who have spent months searching for the lost plane. In the search for answers, we'll reveal how today's planes must fly through vast radar "blind spots," and investigate new technologies that could allow ground stations and satellites to track planes automatically, without pilot intervention, even in remote areas with no radar coverage. What will it take to guarantee that in the future, nothing will ever be 'lost' again? Published on Oct 7, 2014 Watch the full-length episode at video.pbs.org/video/2365334815... (US Only) Can new technology prevent aircraft like Flight MH370 from disappearing without a trace? www.theufochronicles.com/2014/10/why-planes-vanish-video.html
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Post by paulette on Oct 13, 2014 10:34:50 GMT -6
"The technology is already on the shelf..."
I hear that there are a lot of "blind spots" on the planet (to radar anyway).
Once again - it pointed out that the seeming evasive changes of course were calculated ones. By humans. Which brings us to conspiracy by some group. Even if they find it; they may not get any answers....
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