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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 10:19:10 GMT -6
Since altering the direction several planes have spotted debris floating. Ships will be next.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 15:37:31 GMT -6
it looks like we'll never know exactly what happened. With the amount of "transparency" (not knowing what exactly is withheld) that has been going on from the beginning, I tend to think that this was a "true accident", and hopefully a learning experience.
I wonder, if there hadn't been ~us~ citizens aboard, would the ~us~ been so willing to help? I'd like to think so . . . . especially if terrorist activity was suspected, but, bottom line, people of the world should and can work together. . . .
Sad to say, I do hope this debris gives some closure. If its not the plane debris, we just go on hoping something else . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 10:23:23 GMT -6
I'm not sure where we were posting stuff about the missing jet. Auntie you can move it appropriately. One of the radar ships (Chinese) has detected a ping and a Chinese plane has found several white floating objects in the same area. No one is saying for sure that it's the jet but there's a sub headed to that area and other ships. I hope they get lucky for the sake of the families. news.yahoo.com/china-ship-hears-signal-unclear-jet-related-153110408--finance.htmlYou have the technology to MAKE it a good day
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Post by skywalker on Apr 5, 2014 13:06:12 GMT -6
It sounds like it is almost certainly a flight recorder from a plane. It's still not going to be easy finding it though. If that plane smacked into the water going several hundred miles per hour it would pretty much disintegrate upon impact. There may not be nothing left except tiny little pieces. I doubt that a tiny little black box would show up on sonar.
It's kind of amazing to me that so many different countries are working together on this search. That's not something that you see very often. Everybody just wants to find the plane.
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Post by paulette on Apr 5, 2014 14:18:30 GMT -6
Check this out - and the citations below it (some very reputable newsources):
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 15:47:57 GMT -6
There was a documentary about the people of Diego Garcia a couple of years ago...I'm sure it's not the first time the government has displaced people. I hope the people get some compensation but I'm sure they won't set foot on the Island again.
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Post by paulette on Apr 5, 2014 17:48:14 GMT -6
The write up under this video said that the flight simulator found in the co-pilot's home had Diego Garcia's co-ordinates plugged in. There are a lot sources for this info under the video clip.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 18:38:38 GMT -6
I'm not sure why they would fly a 777 to a U.S military base. It's sure possible that the auto pilot would pick that as a possible safe landing site, but I never heard that the co pilot even had a flight simulator...I knew the pilot did. At any rate, I'm guessing it never made it...and that's what they're picking up. Fortunately...the box still had enough life left in it to be heard. That IS lucky and it's on the same frequency. I just hope it will be found and put an end to the 'alien' rumors.
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Post by plutronus on Apr 5, 2014 22:36:25 GMT -6
I'm sure everyone has heard about the missing jetful of people that may have crashed off the coast of Vietnam. <<snip>> <<snip>> Company that manufactures the 'pinger': www.radiantpowercorp.com/dukane-seacom-locator-beacons.aspxThe product line is, 'Dukane-SeaCom', while the company is "Radiant Power Corp". The infrasonic beacon 'pinger' is an airframe, water actuated acoustic pulser, which emits ~160 dB signal...likely unpleasant volume if ya live underwater, but it also cites, interestingly, that the volume decreases only 3 dB after 30 days. There are different models described, while the general specs match those being elucidated by various American newsmedia, the one that generally fits the majority of the specifications is the SeaCom Airframe Beacon, Mdl: DK180, but its pinger frequency is 8.8 KHz which is not the frequency cited on the news channels here is that spec (I think its in development): www.radiantpowercorp.com/dk-180-airframe-locator-beacon.aspxThe American news-media cites the pinger frequency unit installed on the aircraft as being 37.7 KHz (37 thousand, 500 Kilo-Hertz...cycles per second). The following beacon list specs show the 37.5 KHz ping frequency cited, so it is difficult to discern which of the (two) beacons model were actually installed on MH370 aircraft: www.radiantpowercorp.com/dk-series-underwater-locator-beacons.aspxIts also interesting to realize the types of users of these acoustic beacons, they aren't typically used only by airliners. The underwater acoustic 'pinger' beacons are used on the majority of the global aircraft fleet, and also include, NASA aircraft, worldwide military aircraft, helicopter operators. Also they are used by offshore oil drilling platforms to relocate underwater equipment, as-well as maritime/shipping asset locater, and oceanographers and marine biologists. Potentially, there could be many pingers operating in the ocean environment, however, in the world of boating, that area of the oceans is out-in-the-sticks. If there are undersea ET craft bases, I would tend to believe that they'd be located out in that neck-of-woods, 'cause there aint nothin' out there to eyeball'm. plutronus
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 11:34:40 GMT -6
The first detected ping...lasted 2 hours and 20 minutes. They turned an picked it up again for 13 minutes and found it again for another 13 minutes. For those who don't know how it's done...the ship is dragging a cable with a sensor attached. The British ship is supposed to be there today..hopefully it will help narrow down the location. When CB radio's were the fad...here in the sticks we used to play a game called 'Turkey Hunt'. The turkey would go out and hide...key his mike and talk giving clues. We would watch our meters..and hone in on his signal to find him. It's similar. In the middle of a huge ocean and a deep one...you have to narrow down the location. Honestly I think ET has nothing to do with this one...I absolutely believe it was mechanical or so my 'spidey' sense does say. I keep getting a mental flash of this huge jet silently flying through the night with it's incredibly sad cargo. All I see is the plane...but feelings of grief attached. I know it's not nearly as 'exciting' as aliens or black hole anomalies or conspiracy theories..but I truly feel none of those apply here. Just some hideous malfunction and a plane of doom flying itself until fuel ran out.
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Post by plutronus on Apr 8, 2014 23:34:28 GMT -6
The first detected ping...lasted 2 hours and 20 minutes. They turned an picked it up again for 13 minutes and found it again for another 13 minutes. For those who don't know how it's done...the ship is dragging a cable with a sensor attached. The British ship is supposed to be there today..hopefully it will help narrow down the location. When CB radio's were the fad...here in the sticks we used to play a game called 'Turkey Hunt'. The turkey would go out and hide...key his mike and talk giving clues. We would watch our meters..and hone in on his signal to find him. It's similar. In the middle of a huge ocean and a deep one...you have to narrow down the location. Honestly I think ET has nothing to do with this one...I absolutely believe it was mechanical or so my 'spidey' sense does say. I keep getting a mental flash of this huge jet silently flying through the night with it's incredibly sad cargo. All I see is the plane...but feelings of grief attached. I know it's not nearly as 'exciting' as aliens or black hole anomalies or conspiracy theories..but I truly feel none of those apply here. Just some hideous malfunction and a plane of doom flying itself until fuel ran out. The type of sonar system that is being towed around the search area by the participating US Naval ships, well, its not just a fancy underwater microphone as the US Spin-Doctors are having the world believe. Its a towed phased-array sonar system that operates a bit like the see-the-baby-in-the-womb type ultrasound like technology, which, incidentally, a very similar system, but much older technology was (I heard, grudgeonly allowed to be) used by Dr. Ballard of Woodshole to locate the Titanic after his having done tons of secret contract work for the US DoD, searching for planted enemy nukes off the the US Coast. Titanic was deep, and didn't have a pinger. Conor Myhrvold, an individual, a mathematician (& python programmer), wrote a few simple programs to help himself understand the puzzle of the route which the missing airliner might have traveled rather than relying on those babblers over at C luelessN etN ews. His programs revealed an interesting solution, and it was he, that first began using the 'model' phrase that all of the talking-heads are yakkin now. And interestingly, after he posted his data, the searchers began searching the area of the Indian Ocean Myhrvold's model predicted. It could be coincident, he's not the only smart guy working the problem these days. The route fits the probability data. Myhrvold did this back in mid March. There's lots of interesting authentic information available on his website. www.fastcolabs.com/user/conor-myhrvoldplutronus
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 23:51:45 GMT -6
Doesn't matter how they got there does it? I'm happy to hear that more pings were detected today and that they'll be launching the un-manned sub to scour the area. There is a British ship with a locator on the way and the British sub tireless is on the way also. Kind of hard to pin point with much accuracy when the trajectory wasn't very stable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 1:18:22 GMT -6
The first detected ping...lasted 2 hours and 20 minutes. They turned an picked it up again for 13 minutes and found it again for another 13 minutes. For those who don't know how it's done...the ship is dragging a cable with a sensor attached. The British ship is supposed to be there today..hopefully it will help narrow down the location. When CB radio's were the fad...here in the sticks we used to play a game called 'Turkey Hunt'. The turkey would go out and hide...key his mike and talk giving clues. We would watch our meters..and hone in on his signal to find him. It's similar. In the middle of a huge ocean and a deep one...you have to narrow down the location. Honestly I think ET has nothing to do with this one...I absolutely believe it was mechanical or so my 'spidey' sense does say. I keep getting a mental flash of this huge jet silently flying through the night with it's incredibly sad cargo. All I see is the plane...but feelings of grief attached. I know it's not nearly as 'exciting' as aliens or black hole anomalies or conspiracy theories..but I truly feel none of those apply here. Just some hideous malfunction and a plane of doom flying itself until fuel ran out. The type of sonar system that is being towed around the search area by the participating US Naval ships, well, its not just a fancy underwater microphone as the US Spin-Doctors are having the world believe. Its a towed phased-array sonar system that operates a bit like the see-the-baby-in-the-womb type ultrasound like technology, which, incidentally, a very similar system, but much older technology was (I heard, grudgeonly allowed to be) used by Dr. Ballard of Woodshole to locate the Titanic after his having done tons of secret contract work for the US DoD, searching for planted enemy nukes off the the US Coast. Titanic was deep, and didn't have a pinger. Conor Myhrvold, an individual, a mathematician (& python programmer), wrote a few simple programs to help himself understand the puzzle of the route which the missing airliner might have traveled rather than relying on those babblers over at C luelessN etN ews. His programs revealed an interesting solution, and it was he, that first began using the 'model' phrase that all of the talking-heads are yakkin now. And interestingly, after he posted his data, the searchers began searching the area of the Indian Ocean Myhrvold's model predicted. It could be coincident, he's not the only smart guy working the problem these days. The route fits the probability data. Myhrvold did this back in mid March. There's lots of interesting authentic information available on his website. www.fastcolabs.com/user/conor-myhrvoldplutronusThanks Plutronus (and Jokelly). If uncle sam felt like using this equipment, what are the chances on the reason why?
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Post by skywalker on Apr 9, 2014 11:53:00 GMT -6
The type of sonar system that is being towed around the search area by the participating US Naval ships, well, its not just a fancy underwater microphone as the US Spin-Doctors are having the world believe. Its a towed phased-array sonar system that operates a bit like the see-the-baby-in-the-womb type ultrasound like technology, which, incidentally, a very similar system, but much older technology was (I heard, grudgeonly allowed to be) used by Dr. Ballard of Woodshole to locate the Titanic after his having done tons of secret contract work for the US DoD, searching for planted enemy nukes off the the US Coast. Titanic was deep, and didn't have a pinger. Conor Myhrvold, an individual, a mathematician (& python programmer), wrote a few simple programs to help himself understand the puzzle of the route which the missing airliner might have traveled rather than relying on those babblers over at C luelessN etN ews. His programs revealed an interesting solution, and it was he, that first began using the 'model' phrase that all of the talking-heads are yakkin now. And interestingly, after he posted his data, the searchers began searching the area of the Indian Ocean Myhrvold's model predicted. It could be coincident, he's not the only smart guy working the problem these days. The route fits the probability data. Myhrvold did this back in mid March. There's lots of interesting authentic information available on his website. www.fastcolabs.com/user/conor-myhrvoldplutronusIt'ws amazing that somebody could figure all that stuff out. A lot of the info he was using to create his models are things that I didn't even know existed...probably because I'm not a pilot or a computer expert. I think that also might explain why the news media is as clueless as they are. There is no way the average journalist could even begin to grasp all of the technological data that is being used in a search operation like this. Myhrvold's conclusions suggest that the plane could not have been on autopilot in order to take the course that it did. If he is correct it means that wherever the plane ended up is where the pilot intended it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 14:17:57 GMT -6
Well we have plenty of 'theories' and possibilities. Hopefully they will recover the black box and solve the mystery. At this point I think it's safe to say it wasn't hijacked to Afghanistan or snagged by greedy aliens not satisfied by taking victims one at a time. I don't think it was hijacked at all or that the pilot meant to ditch it in the Indian Ocean. I'm still guessing it was on auto pilot when it ran out of fuel. Lots of these theories make sense. I'll go with a fire causing a catastrophe. Occams Razor
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Post by auntym on Apr 9, 2014 14:25:02 GMT -6
my theory is... if they don't find this plane ( and i pray they do), then i believe it flew into another dimension...
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Post by skywalker on Apr 10, 2014 12:14:55 GMT -6
Residents of the Maldives island called Kuda Huvadhoo have reported seeing a huge jumbo jet flying low over their island on the morning that the plane disappeared. That's more confirmation that they are at least searching in the right area now. www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 12:44:47 GMT -6
They picked up more pings today. I'm sure it's there but I can't see how they could possibly raise it...the water is too deep for anything but unmanned subs or so I understand.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 10, 2014 18:42:35 GMT -6
I'm sure the only thing they are trying to raise is the flight recorder so they can try to figure out what happened. The rest of the plane is probably splattered all over the ocean. Some pieces would have sunk while others could have floated at the surface for thousands of miles by now. Even if they could gather a bunch of them up they probably wouldn't learn anything new. The "black box" is what's important. That could easily be retrieved by an unmanned submersible with a robot arm...if they can find it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 20:11:40 GMT -6
I'm sure the only thing they are trying to raise is the flight recorder so they can try to figure out what happened. The rest of the plane is probably splattered all over the ocean. Some pieces would have sunk while others could have floated at the surface for thousands of miles by now. Even if they could gather a bunch of them up they probably wouldn't learn anything new. The "black box" is what's important. That could easily be retrieved by an unmanned submersible with a robot arm...if they can find it. How can we be sure of anything? well, I'm pretty sure I got the recent memo that "big brother" misses some big things. . . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 22:31:03 GMT -6
I'm sure you're right Sky and it's only the box they're likely to retrieve. Australia is saying now that they're confident it's the flight. At least knowing this will pin things down for the families a bit and they won't be left wondering or with false hope. Now to just clear it up and hopefully clear the names of the pilot and co-pilot. Their families are horribly upset by allegations. news.yahoo.com/australian-pm-confident-sounds-flight-370-032145962--finance.html
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Post by plutronus on Apr 11, 2014 3:35:32 GMT -6
Well we have plenty of 'theories' and possibilities. Hopefully they will recover the black box and solve the mystery. At this point I think it's safe to say it wasn't hijacked to Afghanistan or snagged by greedy aliens not satisfied by taking victims one at a time. I don't think it was hijacked at all or that the pilot meant to ditch it in the Indian Ocean. I'm still guessing it was on auto pilot when it ran out of fuel. Lots of these theories make sense. I'll go with a fire causing a catastrophe. Occams Razor The revised data, that's generally not in the news domain as the networks are losing audience ratings (folks are becoming bored with all of the fruitless, data-less guessing), is that the plane skirted around several land masses at 7,000Ft altitude. It made numerous flight-vector changes, --not one, not two, but five, each hours apart. How does that fit the fire theory? The second flight alteration was two hours after the transponder went silent. Myhrvold's data clearly shows that the final search area distance (if anyone bothered to read and understand his science) is consistent with the high rate of fuel consumption for the low flying aircraft, which is the reason that the initial search area (near Australia) were so far extended beyond the area that Myhrvold's statistical algorithms revealed. In other words, the searchers were presuming that the aircraft flew at 35,000Ft altitude, straight across Malaysia (short path), extending the effective flight range another 1000 miles, when in reality it descended to 7000Ft (parachute altitude) where there is significant air-drag, guzzling more fuel, and then it made several vector changes around the Malaysian coast, and then again making another flight-vector change to skirt around an island, prior to depleting its fuel 1000 miles straight out to sea instead of 2000 miles, and causing the impact area to be much closer than the searchers anticipated. No question about it, something very fishy happened, and interestingly, the Malaysian 'authorities' may in fact be complicit in some as yet obscure manner. But we'll never be told the truth about that if there is any validity to it. Myhrvold using available data and physics acted upon it scientifically, generated data then published his findings, while everything else has proved to have been wild-a.ssed guessing. plutronus
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Post by paulette on Apr 11, 2014 7:20:26 GMT -6
Interesting Plutronus - thanks for this update.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 9:46:05 GMT -6
Not everything 'weird' has to be a conspiracy...sometimes things are just 'weird' until they have an explanation. Haven't you noticed...that there were dozens of misleading ..helpful..directions concerning this plane? The man on the oil rig who saw the burning ball of fire flying along for instance, got written out of it fairly early on. The people on this island who saw and heard the plane at low altitude are at least plausible. We don't KNOW what happened...but that doesn't mean it's a cover-up or it was the pilot or the co-pilot or the Malaysian government in conjunction with aliens from goon island...this mystery is causing all sorts of people pain...and THAT is why they need to succeed in recovery of the black box..to end the speculation and let the families have some peace.
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Post by auntym on Apr 11, 2014 14:40:07 GMT -6
www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane-wreckage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1&icid=maing-grid7 Could jet's descent have shaped debris field?From Gary Tuchman, CNN Fri April 11, 2014 (CNN) -- Could it all have sunk?So far, of the possible pieces of debris spotted from the air or from satellites, none have turned out to be from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. But it's extremely unlikely that the Boeing 777 would have slipped beneath the waves intact, and if it had broken up, pieces of the aircraft are likely to have been cast adrift on the surface, said Jim Tilmon, a former American Airlines pilot and aviation analyst. "The chances of not having any debris on top of the water is very remote," Tilmon told CNN. But the amount of flotsam left behind in the crash would most likely vary based on how the plane -- now believed to have been lost in the Indian Ocean west of Australia -- hit the water. More than a month after the Kuala Lumpur-to-Beijing flight disappeared with 239 passengers and crew aboard, searchers are trying to home in on signals they hope will be from the jetliner's flight recorders. But there has been no confirmed wreckage of the flight identified among the trash that gets swept up in the currents around the search area, where the ocean reaches depths of up to 15,000 feet. An in-flight breakup would have scattered wreckage over a wide area, Tilmon said. If the jet hit the water at a steep angle, at high speed, it would likely have taken much of its frame and contents down into the deep with it. That's what happened when a Seattle-bound Alaska Airlines jet plunged into the Pacific Ocean off California in 2000, killing all 88 aboard. Even in such a case, however, numerous pieces such as seats or luggage bins would likely have broken loose and bobbed to the surface, Tilmon said. "It's not like striking your hand into the water. It's like slamming your car into a brick wall," he said. "And that's the more likely result of that kind of situation -- you're going to have lots of debris." A less steep angle -- even an attempt at a controlled descent -- might be more forgiving to the frame of the 200-foot jetliner. But when the pilots of a hijacked Ethiopian Airlines flight made an emergency landing in in the Indian Ocean off Africa in 1996, the Boeing 767 still broke apart when it hit the water, killing 125 of the 175 people aboard. WATCH VIDEO & CONTINUE READING: www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane-wreckage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1&icid=maing-grid7
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 22:01:07 GMT -6
I guess..we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 23:53:54 GMT -6
I just hope for all these families/friends sake they can soon find some closure.....
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Post by plutronus on Apr 12, 2014 3:39:14 GMT -6
I just hope for all these families/friends sake they can soon find some closure..... Yes...quite true...those poor people. Irregardless of all the theories, speculations...in the end, its just all funerals with empty boxes. On a different tack, there's another board that you might enjoy where I hang my enormous plutron on occasion, hee hee hee. Come over and check it out, EEVblog: www.eevblog.com/forum/There's lots of good yak-yak about the black-box mechanix and pinger tech, interesting stuff. The fellow that runs the joint, Dave, has a very popular YouTube channel of the same name, EEVblog. No ET subjects there, just tech. plutronusps. I'll be interviewed again on CalMUFON Radio in a week or so, if anyone is interested?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 11:45:15 GMT -6
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Post by skywalker on Apr 12, 2014 19:34:25 GMT -6
We're always interested when one of our peeps gets interviewed on the radio. Let us know the details.
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