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Post by paulette on Apr 10, 2014 9:37:40 GMT -6
A few thoughts come to mind reading the above by jcurio. 1. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING is in movement and vibration. And also our lights flicker as do our monitor and TV screens. Our eyes/mind aren't quick enough to "catch" that movement or, we just weed it out of importance. Maybe some people can see more into that frequency.
Second thought - someone posted on FB an optical "illusion" of black and white patterns around a wheel. After awhile, the patterns begin to move and also there are colors - pink for me. Then, when you look away - other things seem to draw to the center and spin. Briefly. Not sure why but its predictable. The mind has "learned" to do that.
If one has had experiences in which hallucinations were part of the effect or where hallucinations were induced, then one knows "how" and one's mind may do that often. Looking up at a boring pattern like ceiling tiles can result in movement IMO. A blink or two and change of position makes it go away.
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Post by poseygilbert on Apr 10, 2014 16:36:03 GMT -6
A few thoughts come to mind reading the above by jcurio. 1. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING is in movement and vibration. And also our lights flicker as do our monitor and TV screens. Our eyes/mind aren't quick enough to "catch" that movement or, we just weed it out of importance. Maybe some people can see more into that frequency.
Second thought - someone posted on FB an optical "illusion" of black and white patterns around a wheel. After awhile, the patterns begin to move and also there are colors - pink for me. Then, when you look away - other things seem to draw to the center and spin. Briefly. Not sure why but its predictable. The mind has "learned" to do that.
If one has had experiences in which hallucinations were part of the effect or where hallucinations were induced, then one knows "how" and one's mind may do that often. Looking up at a boring pattern like ceiling tiles can result in movement IMO. A blink or two and change of position makes it go away.
paulette:
I thought about her Koan.
"This is the Universal Number.
With it you can see the future and the past.
It can change any number but can not be changed by any number.
By aligning these you can see other levels of the universe."
I then for the first time started to look at what she had said.
" It can change any number, but can not be changed by any number."
Was there such a number, yes there was I used it every day as a currency destroyer, it was .0 point 0.
Depending on where that was placed the number was changed ie. 1.0 is much different than .01.
" With it you can see the future and the past." what did that mean?
Well from where I was sitting in time I could conceive a future, and perceive a past, so where was I in time?
Smack dab in the middle, in fact Our awareness was the determining mark for where the future became the past.
In other words the present was the point of balance .0.
In addition because the present is not static but ever changing there is no present therefore it (Time) does not exist.
The curious state of photons reflect this very nature of the present it is both particle (static) and wave (ever changing/non static).
Therefore nothing exists, time does not exist, and so everything is equal to .0.
The whole point about aligning these (spaces?) would enable us to see other parts of our universe what did that mean?
Vibrations are made up of spaces (pauses) and pulses by using xrays, radio waves, and other like kind forms of energy we could, and have viewed other levels of our universe!
I got it, I finally understood, although she had left me with nothing, she hadn't really left me without anything, she had left me with a new understanding, and a basis of a new physics!
Do you really think that two rational adults born on the same planet living in the same Universe as you, did not in 63 years in my case, come to know the ordinary from the extraordinary? Do you think that a blink or two and change of position was not the natural response of anyone, adult or adolescent that was not comatose, brain dead, or on drugs?
And if that would have made "it go away" why even bring it up here?
This is the problem I have with opinions, they are formed in a vacuum, and always assumes that the party thus assumption is made against is less intelligent or as knowledgeable, as the one expressing the opinion
While the Experiencers are expressing the facts as they experienced them.
So rather than throwing out an opinion one may find offensive, and insulting to common sense why not do as I do say to myself "Hmm, I have never experienced such an event." then file it under "To be seen." stand silent and leave it at that?
This is said not to tell you to keep your opinions to yourself, no not that at all.
I am only saying that you phrased it in a manner that puts me in the mind that you think me an idiot.
That I don't apply the same logic as do you when faced with perplexing phenomena, that I use the so called Magical Thinking that the scenics. debunkers, and skeptics brand we Experiencers with yo view everything unexplained that happens in my day to day world.
As Quantum Physics Laboratories are proving every day, sometimes Occam's razor is quite dull.
OBTW:
I agree with all that you posted above.
And I add to that as has been discovered in QPLs, what we call Reality is blinking off and in too, so there are points even Reality does not exsist, proving that it all is only a vibration or a frequentcy as I wrote back in 1973 in my paper:
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Post by paulette on Apr 10, 2014 22:29:11 GMT -6
Well...I must say I'm a little perplexed. I phrased something in a manner that you think I think you are an idiot? Didn't mean to. And you agree with me anyway? OK.
I do think Reality blinks off and on and I also think our consenual reality can be affected by things explainable AND ALSO there is much more going on that our minds do not pick up on (or certainly not all the time). That's all really. Good night all.
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Post by poseygilbert on Apr 11, 2014 1:24:00 GMT -6
Well...I must say I'm a little perplexed. I phrased something in a manner that you think I think you are an idiot? Didn't mean to. And you agree with me anyway? OK. I do think Reality blinks off and on and I also think our consenual reality can be affected by things explainable AND ALSO there is much more going on that our minds do not pick up on (or certainly not all the time). That's all really. Good night all. paulette:
It was just that "A blink or two and change of position makes it go away." comment at the end.
Even as a child of three I knew enough to do that, when I first really noticed this phenomena.
I first saw from the corner of my eye what I thought was a huge Centipede moving in the corner of the living rooms tin ceiling, when I walked over to look it was just a long rust spot but then I notice out the corner of my eyes the other rust spots were now moving, but not only them but everything else was too. That was when I noticed that only the things I looked directly at did not move. It was then that Mother walked into the living room from the kitchen to check on me. I pointed to one of the moving rust spots and asked her "What's that?" meaning its movements. Mother squinted at the moving orange brown mass then back at me and said, "That's just rust Butch, don't be afraid of that." Her calm response made me think it was as normal as seeing the sunlight shining on the floor through the backyard windows. She told me to come into the kitchen with her, a glass of Sealtest milk and three Oreo cookies later, and all was right with the world. I never questioned what I was seeing again. When I started school I found there was another thing I had to deal with when reading. All black print on white paper for me has a white offset standing next to it, or a white glow surrounding each character, which is why I so often use different colors in my posts. The final anomaly I noticed occasionally occurred when a teacher would be standing before a black board, or a dark background, I'd sometimes see what looked like a faint negative of them seemingly pull or drift backwards out of them and float off before vanishing. I always thought I was seeing the teacher starting to daydream. In 2008 I had to have cataract surgery done on my right eye by Dr. Stella Douros, MD. I was found to have an Astigmatism in my right eye and so I told her about my visual anomalies and asked her if they could have been caused by the Astigmatism. She told me she'd never heard of such visual phenomena, and has no idea of it's cause. Originally I had 15/15 or perfect vision now because of a small cataract too small for surgery I have 20/15.
So what this is I do not know, but I only know it is a real phenomenon.
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Post by paulette on Apr 11, 2014 7:38:02 GMT -6
The Castenada books had various descriptions of techniques that allow one to see things one can't usually see full on. I no longer have those books and so cannot quote anything. It was about using peripheal (sp?) vision. It also was about allowing oneself to see things that we usually dismiss before they even get to consciousness.
There was an interesting experiment in a short video going around a couple of years ago - an experiment in people's perceptions. A person comes to a service desk and is served by a young man in, say a blue shirt. At point he bends down to get a form from behind the desk and AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LOOKING YOUNG MAN IN A DIFFERENT COLORED SHIRT straightens back up and continues to serve the person.
NO ONE CAUGHT THIS. Some people looked momentarily confused, but carried on. We humans have a lot invested in having a smooth flow of reality input coming in - even if the flow is not smooth but has serious non-congruities. I think (and Castenada would I think agree) that using a psychotrophic substance allows one to see what is not usually seen and also accept it better.
All of this of course is in my opinion and not meant to be argumentative or dismissing of other's viewpoints.
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Post by poseygilbert on Apr 12, 2014 5:31:18 GMT -6
The Castenada books had various descriptions of techniques that allow one to see things one can't usually see full on. I no longer have those books and so cannot quote anything. It was about using peripheal (sp?) vision. It also was about allowing oneself to see things that we usually dismiss before they even get to consciousness. There was an interesting experiment in a short video going around a couple of years ago - an experiment in people's perceptions. A person comes to a service desk and is served by a young man in, say a blue shirt. At point he bends down to get a form from behind the desk and AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LOOKING YOUNG MAN IN A DIFFERENT COLORED SHIRT straightens back up and continues to serve the person. NO ONE CAUGHT THIS. Some people looked momentarily confused, but carried on. We humans have a lot invested in having a smooth flow of reality input coming in - even if the flow is not smooth but has serious non-congruities. I think (and Castenada would I think agree) that using a psychotrophic substance allows one to see what is not usually seen and also accept it better. All of this of course is in my opinion and not meant to be argumentative or dismissing of other's viewpoints. Once again paulette you are rught om point.
I never saw the film you saw but many years ago 1990s I saw one like it.
In it you are shown a short film of people tossing a ball to each other and are asked to count how many times those in the whiter shirt catches the ball see: The Invisible Gorilla. It was because he knew of all of my Experiences that Ralph bought me The Castenada books. Although it was never a thing that was practiced by anyone of our family I later in age discovered that I unknowingly as a child somehow knew how to preform and in many cases actually practiced and participated in what I later learned "Thanks to Ralph" turned out to be truly cross cultural traditional shamanic rituals, and practices.
Even to an occasional riding by The Loa Damballah-Wedo, where upon every Friday I'd get down on the floor and slither about the house.
I was just four then and back then our family although religious were not church goers.
They were what was called Primitive Baptist, but were many years later became Pentecostals, so there was never any talk of the Holy Ghost taking possession of or speaking through church members bodies.
My Grandpa Posey kept a double barreled shotgun full of rock salt above the front door just for "Those *bleep* hellfire and brimstone holy rollers" as he called the proselytising pentecostal preachers whom so often came to his farm in search of converts, well actually he had no love for any preacher of any denomination.
All were met with a warning shot over their heads, and if they persisted or came back they left with a butt load of rock salt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 11:59:05 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 15:56:55 GMT -6
anyway, last week I casually mentioned a pattern on a pillow vibrating (right in front of us) to one of my daughters and she said "everybody see's that". Do they? (I think that in this particular situation, Paulette was answering this question directly.) ___________________________________________________________________________ Also in this situation, I was looking at something straight ahead. The pillow could have been actually vibrating (from the washing machine running within 50 feet of it) to an extent that anyone could see it. I'm going from a casual reference like that, to seeing more things appear to vibrate. I see peripheral movement (as Posey describes) on a normal for me basis, and as far as I know, I always have. This "vibration" thing, to me is different. If I was prone to fantasy, I would try to say that I am seeing something in vibratory mode for a reason, and if I continued to stare at the object, I might see more. Like this steady, consistent vibratory movement would either speed up or slow down. Again, theoretically, (for example) if I set a cup on a table I might see both the cup and the table vibrate briefly as my movement, the cup movement, etc. becomes an object now sitting still (unless there is a washing machine running nearby ). You guys should know me well enough by now to know I need your help in figuring something out - I have a goal. Ok, years ago, even on Muffin, I occasionally heard talk about people feeling their bodies "vibrate", a lot, either before or after they thought they had just been "taken". For the life of me, I could not wrap my mind around this concept at all, in trying to understand this event. And I'm not saying that I feel my body vibrate now. But something, after forgetting all about this type of other's experience, is trying to click now. Don't you hate when something seems to be just at the edge of your reach, edge of your figuring something out??
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Post by paulette on Apr 12, 2014 18:08:52 GMT -6
Be gentle with yourself jcurio! Allow yourself to explore all options.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 22:28:19 GMT -6
well, it sure has nothing to do with taking hallucinogens,. . . . . and I've been paranoid for years about leaving any open container, glass, etc. where it could be spiked
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Post by poseygilbert on Apr 12, 2014 22:56:41 GMT -6
anyway, last week I casually mentioned a pattern on a pillow vibrating (right in front of us) to one of my daughters and she said "everybody see's that". Do they? (I think that in this particular situation, Paulette was answering this question directly.) I see but Paulette inadvertently opened doors that bought back memories of things I'd stopped thinking about long ago.___________________________________________________________________________ Also in this situation, I was looking at something straight ahead. The pillow could have been actually vibrating (from the washing machine running within 50 feet of it) to an extent that anyone could see it. I'm going from a casual reference like that, to seeing more things appear to vibrate. I see peripheral movement (as Posey describes) on a normal for me basis, and as far as I know, I always have. This "vibration" thing, to me is different. If I was prone to fantasy, I would try to say that I am seeing something in vibratory mode for a reason, and if I continued to stare at the object, I might see more. Like this steady, consistent vibratory movement would either speed up or slow down. Again, theoretically, (for example) if I set a cup on a table I might see both the cup and the table vibrate briefly as my movement, the cup movement, etc. becomes an object now sitting still (unless there is a washing machine running nearby ). With me both the cup and the table will seem to exhibit separate movements at the same time. IE: The cup will appear to move in choppy little circles, while the table may seem to make smoother movements below it. Another thing if I light a stick incense the tip will of course glow orange, but of I fix my gaze forward and move the incense toward my blind spot there is a point that the coal will suddenly become a beautiful brilliant Emerald Green, which will immediately return to orange if I try to look directly at it. It is in that "Green Area" that the movement is most constant. This is best done in a dark or darkened room. Try it, it is so cool when you get that Emerald Flash. Maybe it's nothing more than the same Green Flash people say they see the setting sun do on the west coast.
You guys should know me well enough by now to know I need your help in figuring something out - I have a goal. Ok, years ago, even on Muffin, I occasionally heard talk about people feeling their bodies "vibrate", a lot, either before or after they thought they had just been "taken". For the life of me, I could not wrap my mind around this concept at all, in trying to understand this event. And I'm not saying that I feel my body vibrate now. But something, after forgetting all about this type of other's experience, is trying to click now. Don't you hate when something seems to be just at the edge of your reach, edge of your figuring something out?? Don't we all?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 23:10:07 GMT -6
I will try it sometime . Right now I'm getting used to the idea that I can longer keep this vision thing to my periphery
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Post by poseygilbert on Apr 13, 2014 1:35:30 GMT -6
I will try it sometime . Right now I'm getting used to the idea that I can longer keep this vision thing to my periphery I'm sure you'll succeed.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 13, 2014 8:15:34 GMT -6
I first heard about the green flash from the sunset several decades ago but I've never been able to see it happen. Supposedly it is extremely rare and requires perfect atmospheric conditions for it to happen. You also supposedly have to be looking out over the ocean which is kind of hard to do when you don't live on a beach. That video had an excellent photo of a green flash.
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Post by poseygilbert on Apr 13, 2014 16:05:15 GMT -6
I first heard about the green flash from the sunset several decades ago but I've never been able to see it happen. Supposedly it is extremely rare and requires perfect atmospheric conditions for it to happen. You also supposedly have to be looking out over the ocean which is kind of hard to do when you don't live on a beach. That video had an excellent photo of a green flash. I'm on the East Coast New York City so I'll never see it either, but heard about it via brother and friends whom have. When I did, the description reminded me of the shifting color of the incense coal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 8:49:58 GMT -6
yes, nice video, thanks. but I think I need about two more cups of coffee . I thought "MA" was on the East . . . . West Falmouth Harbor, Buzzards Bay, Massachusetts 41.6033° N, 70.6400° W 2014-04-13 1:05 PM EDT -0.08 feet Low Tide 2014-04-13 7:21 PM EDT Sunset ...
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Post by skywalker on Apr 14, 2014 10:21:44 GMT -6
It is on the east coast. West Falmouth Harbor is on the western side of a penensula that sticks out into the ocean so there is a clear view of the sunset looking over Buzzards Bay to the west. In order to have a chance at seeing a green flash there has to be an unobstructed view to the west. There are a few places on the east coast where that can happen.
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