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Post by lois on Feb 25, 2011 16:02:31 GMT -6
Can any of this mans life be prove fen?
Strange I have never heard of him..
I do see he is missing some fingers here
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Post by lois on Feb 25, 2011 16:05:56 GMT -6
It is in 7 parts. Don't know how I ever missed these before.. Maybe I thought it was too unbelievable
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 17:12:33 GMT -6
Wonder if Randy has watched these? A comment left on u tube stated. He looks like an alien, look at his slanted eyes. Maybe he's part Eskimo? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 19:14:11 GMT -6
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Post by paulette on Feb 25, 2011 20:24:27 GMT -6
Wow! What a story. Was he a geologist - he said he was and also used rock and mineral and elemental words. His wife's write up said structural engineer (not the same thing). Explosives man? Would explain missing fingers that he says an alien burned off.
Here's the confusion for me - if the Greys were huddled in filth in the dark - how can they be so advanced? It reminds me of the Aussie movie Precinct 51 (I think). They looked like cockroaches, acted like cockroaches, the ship looked like the inside of a tin can at the dump and we were supposed to believe that they could travel across space, love their offspring, do feats of re-engineering in shacks with bits of broken cars. I donno....Why would the air be black and stink? Why would the USA test an earthquake machine in California - wouldn't somewhere more expendable (like say Puerto Rico?) make more sense? Or even a relatively uninhabited state like Utah? Why does this man think that a technocratic based secret shadow government would tell the truth to the puppet government or good ole boy Senators? Comeon!
His information is woven into frank unbelievableness. Is there some valid info in this? And what the *heck* did happen to him? Did he stroke, die of cancer or injections or MS or a catheter wrapped around his neck and tied off (a guy with a blasted shoulder and missing three fingers on one hand)? Geez. If this was cleaned up - some cleaner should have been sent somewhere nasty (like working for the greys) sweeping floors and dodging cobalt blasts from his new irritated employers.
AIDs made by the US government? Ebola? Hanta Virus - one thing is for sure. Where ever they came from - they are now locked in high security labs living happily until needed. For whatever.
I hate conspiracy theories. Because I wonder if there is even partial reality and if so - where's the red pill I can take to fall asleep again? Because I can't do a durned thing about it!!!!!
PS. check out my dream thread. It has a terrible synchronicity with this post that I just read.
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Post by lois on Feb 25, 2011 22:18:10 GMT -6
Thanks Jo, I know something about him now.. Maybe some truth and some not so true. How can one proof it is all made up. His father seem to be with the government also. Maybe this is how he got into it.
No there is no way of knowing how he lost his fingers. But when it did happen what ever it was someone should know the day and time it happen, family and friends, he would of been taken to a hospital I would think .. His wife said he had two social security numbes. Well if so, you know the one was in secret and even social security has no knowlege of it.
A lot of people have died because of knowing too much. I do believe all these people did not die from natural causes..Where truth begans and lies take over only time may bring it to light.. What about the guy who wanted his electric car patent? He died also. I had just seen him on TV with his car a month before he died, it was unbelieveable.
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Post by Steve on Feb 25, 2011 23:56:47 GMT -6
I admittedly am still igannant of many of the things being discussed about this Mr. Phil Schneider. But scanning over the links, the information. It is all very bizarre and admittedly a bit sad. Mr. Schneider could also have been living a delusional fantasy too. Other conspiracy groups embraced his views and opinions, and it could have all taken on a life of it's own. This seems to be a recurring pattern in many UFO/Conspiracy circles. Next Schneider would become a guest speaker, then more well known within that culture within his closed group. He then assumes a self feeding disproportional sense of emotional self worth he desperately felt perhaps he needed. Note in the first video - the speaker introducing Schneider in front of the group has a guitar around his neck. Singing songs? Does this suggest some pseudo church group setting? Weird. UFO meetings with folk songs? Maybe I have missed something having not attending such meetings? ;D He could have been suicidal too, and staged his death deliberately to look suspicious to perpetuate his 'beliefs' after his death - using his death to validate his weird conspiracy beliefs - in essence saying "I told you so". Are coroner's reports available to the public if one was so inclined to pursue further? I'm not interested. A number of people in UFO circles seem to be this way. There is a man that assaulted several people, and was arrested during the 2010 Laughlin, Nevada UFO conference. I remember seeing this person at Mufon meetings too. He insisted to everyone though his night vision goggles, there were mass space battles occurring above at night that could only be seen though his goggles. Wars between certain aliens fighting over Earth he repeated everywhere he went. But many who looked only saw bats feeding on insects at night. Me, and a number of people independently came to that same conclusion about the bats. I was not there, but a friend of mine was confronted by this man, and later apparently at the Laughlin conference, he became violent, and was arrested & charged with assault. This person was not Phil Schneider. But they seem to be from the same ilk? I am in no way stating this is what it is, just proposing another scenario and view about this Mr. Schneider to perhaps consider. Steve
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Post by lois on Feb 26, 2011 0:12:46 GMT -6
Thanks Steve, many follow this pattern and makes one wonder..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 10:37:31 GMT -6
I still have inklings that a lot of these 'harder to believe' stories have some basis in fact. I don't think these people are crazy but possibly have lost a grip on reality because of an incident or an encounter and maybe have even had things planted in their memories...or it's how their brains have 'deciphered' material given it. I feel this way about the 'hot alien chick' stories and the guys that have been selected to perform galactic 'stud' service. If it's true..it makes you wonder what kind of genetic material they're after..I'd expect them to pick some brilliant scientific mind (unless they eat their offspring). Phil's story to me is sad and as happens so often with those who give interviews and do radio and do books..when they do pass on, even their deaths are scrutinized and become the subject of controversy for the conspiracy theorists. I just can't imagine any group smart enough to get here from some other dimension or star system...resorting to murdering some guy that can't prove a thing he's saying. Maybe I'm wrong..but I think people like Phil are manipulated into being a part of the controversy to keep the element of disbelief alive.
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Post by Steve on Feb 26, 2011 18:31:33 GMT -6
Hi Jo,
I agree with you to some extent. What if a number of these 'harder to believe' stories are from people who were really telling the truth as they knew it. And later lost a grip on reality rationalizing it all in their own minds. If Schneider was telling the truth, describing a firefight with aliens in a secret underground facility deep under the earth's surface, being wounded in the process, and even disabled (his hands reportedly), that would have a great effect on anyone afterward. I know it would me. It sounds like a hellish nightmare of purgatory. The frustrating thing is we don't seem any further along from were this story began in knowing what to believe about anything.
I would suspect if all this was true, they would have gone through some debriefing process later. Perhaps even hypnosis to create memory blocks. Like abductees, these memory blocks are not perfect, and may leak out into the conscious in perhaps distressing ways. Jokelly mentions this above. We can create many frightening scenarios. It occurred to me - the human mind might be the only thing that is vaster than the universe itself.
I would always teach investigators when I was in Mufon to just record the data and keep the channels of communication open. Time I always stressed to Investigators is usually on their side. If the story remains consistent, perhaps it shows something. Like Peter Falk as the detective 'Colombo' he just would be patient and wear them down if it showed some cause to do so I always suggested. Time will show one way or another.
I always was annoyed when I was in Mufon at local chapter meetings, the meeting was always inundated with conspiracy speakers, seldom about UFO topics really. I seemed the only one it seemed at times talking at all about UFO's. Conspiracy theorists about UFO's so cloud everyones common sense and judgment. You have to force yourself to know what to ignore and what one might want to pay attention to. The advent of digital cameras and UFO groups sleeping in the same bed with conspiracy theorists I wonder if it has sent any progress back wards in solving the important question.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 26, 2011 21:29:18 GMT -6
Maybe the true conspiracy is in making people think there is a conspiracy thereby distracting everybody from studying UFOs. If people are constantly jumping at shadows and turning on one another like what happens so often in the UFO community it makes the conspirators job much easier. I think some of these people who appear to be nuts with these outrageously crazy stories are deliberately acting wacko just to give everybody else a bad reputation so nobody will take any of us seriously. Of course, some of them really are nuts.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 10:04:13 GMT -6
I admittedly am still igannant of many of the things being discussed about this Mr. Phil Schneider. But scanning over the links, the information. It is all very bizarre and admittedly a bit sad. Mr. Schneider could also have been living a delusional fantasy too. Other conspiracy groups embraced his views and opinions, and it could have all taken on a life of it's own. This seems to be a recurring pattern in many UFO/Conspiracy circles. Next Schneider would become a guest speaker, then more well known within that culture within his closed group. He then assumes a self feeding disproportional sense of emotional self worth he desperately felt perhaps he needed. Note in the first video - the speaker introducing Schneider in front of the group has a guitar around his neck. Singing songs? Does this suggest some pseudo church group setting? Weird. UFO meetings with folk songs? Maybe I have missed something having not attending such meetings? ;D He could have been suicidal too, and staged his death deliberately to look suspicious to perpetuate his 'beliefs' after his death - using his death to validate his weird conspiracy beliefs - in essence saying "I told you so". Are coroner's reports available to the public if one was so inclined to pursue further? I'm not interested. A number of people in UFO circles seem to be this way. There is a man that assaulted several people, and was arrested during the 2010 Laughlin, Nevada UFO conference. I remember seeing this person at Mufon meetings too. He insisted to everyone though his night vision goggles, there were mass space battles occurring above at night that could only be seen though his goggles. Wars between certain aliens fighting over Earth he repeated everywhere he went. But many who looked only saw bats feeding on insects at night. Me, and a number of people independently came to that same conclusion about the bats. I was not there, but a friend of mine was confronted by this man, and later apparently at the Laughlin conference, he became violent, and was arrested & charged with assault. This person was not Phil Schneider. But they seem to be from the same ilk? I am in no way stating this is what it is, just proposing another scenario and view about this Mr. Schneider to perhaps consider. Steve I agree that this is entirely possible. Maybe he wanted so badly to believe it was true that he convinced himself that it was...or maybe part of it was true and he just made up the rest to fill in the gaps. It's also possible he could have made up the entire story just to get some attention. I remember a few years ago there was some high school football player who started telling people that he was being recruited by several college teams and the thing kept getting bigger and bigger until he finally gave a press conference to make a public announcement about which school he was choosing to go to. It was all over the news and everybody was happy until the school he had chose came forward and said they had never heard of the guy. He just made the whole thing up. I am sure there are a lot of people in the UFO community who do the same thing. They just want to attract attention to themselves, and in a world filled with government conspiracies, out of this world possibilities and science fiction turned reality, it is easy to do. Conspiracy theorists see what they want to see. Believers believe what they want to believe. It's easy for the truth to get misplaced.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:09:34 GMT -6
You would almost have to 'profile' a person in order to give weight to an encounter story. I mean one investigative tool should be the ability to read their subject. To know the 'tells' of a lie. The body language and such, yet I'm not sure it can apply totally to someone who has just had the bottom drop out of their world via some encounter with that which no one can yet identify. I'm sure it would push some people over the edge. If I had remembered as a kid what I remember now and told anyone..I'm relatively certain my father would have had me committed. As it was, he spotted the burn on my neck and slapped me for it thinking it was a hickey (the only thing he could think of to identify it) and then never apologized or offered any other explanation when it peeled and showed itself to be a raw burn. That piece of injustice will always stay with me Just an example of a reaction given to a situation that is so hard to grasp. I think his reaction was one more reason why it took me so long to remember.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 27, 2011 11:24:58 GMT -6
Sometimes liars may not even realize they are lying. If somebody believes so deeply in something they might actually convince themselves it is true even though they may have originally known it wasn't. It's kind of like the snowball effect, where something starts off small and gets bigger and bigger as it rolls along until it finally becomes so overwhelmingly huge it's impossible to tell fantasy from reality anymore.
Personally, I don't believe the guy's story because it sounds too unrealistic...more like something you would see in a movie rather than real life. My own experiences have taught me that if these aliens wanted to take over this planet they would have no problem doing it. We can not compete with the type of technology they have. We certainly could not out-shoot them in a gunfight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 11:29:19 GMT -6
I absolutely agree with that Sky.
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 21:45:17 GMT -6
I still don't understand where these aliens were actually located, where he was using the explosives? or they were under neath him after he blasted open there base? ;D My girlfriend's husband in the 90s was a formen for ironworkers. He said he was 16 stories down putting the iron up at area 51. He says... Lois's I would like to tell you more.. but i can't .. I never bugged him about it once. but a few years later he stated he got into this room and it was blue lasers flying back and forth from one wall to the other, he turned to leave right away and a Guard was in front of him.. He did not get into much trouble, but they sure brief him on where he was not allowed. He was lost he said.. I asked him if he seen any so called grays? ;D He said you would not believe me if I told you and would say no more .. My girlfriend his wife said how can you say that to her. she would be the first one to believe you.. One time he sort wanted to talk about the abducted cows. He brought the subject up himself.. But when I asked him are they taken by aliens.. He said... Well it is not us doing it, I will tell you that much.. ;D ;D Poor man has had skin cancer every since.. from that place. Goes away in one part of his body and comes back in another.. still has it today.. Ive know him all my married life and he does not tell lies. His wife told me. Jim is really scared to say much.. She is the friend I was abducted with and apart by her self years before. all this stopped finally and she moves to Vegas where he goes to work at area 51. ;D What next I thought? He was not a believer of me and my friends encounters for 20 years. He has changed his tune now ;D So what is believable? If grays are there they could be at Lazar"s S4, if it exist.. Lois Lois
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 21:52:41 GMT -6
Note, I did ask him that day when he was talking about the cows. I said to him... Now what has cows got to do with area 51 where you worked. He said nothing. You see they did not even tell my husband and I about him working there until he left after his job was done. I could not believe it. She is wife said he did not want anyone to know and you two are the only ones now that does no so don't be telling anyone.. Well you members here do not know his identity so it does not matter and there really is nothing to tell..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 23:29:46 GMT -6
Why would you be 'armed' to begin with and why would you just start a war with beings when you don't have a clue as to their intent and why would any race (supposedly more intelligent than we are) open fire on them without provocation? Not one of these underground base stories have any shred of proof..not even so much as an alien marble left behind...and yet..some accounts have them setting up housekeeping and incubating themselves for years and years. Yet..I've listened to several of these tales (we all have) and the consistency and passion of the one relating the events seems very real. To me the only thing that explains it is still some form of mental manipulation. Maybe designed to keep people looking in the wrong places or getting tired of looking and finding nothing. That makes more sense to me than a 'battle for middle earth' scenario. Or have I just turned back into the worlds worst skeptic? Area 51..is yet another paradox to me. When I was training horses, two of my clients were from Pahrump Nevada (quite close to area 51). Two others were from Las Vegas. Not only had none of them ever seen anything out of the ordinary but one of them had a husband who was a security guard for the base itself and he had never seen anything odd out there. I guess..it depends on whether you're looking and what you expect to see. The worst he'd ever seen were the inevitable protesters that hung around and the sneaky infiltrators trying to catch a peek.
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Post by lois on Feb 27, 2011 23:48:36 GMT -6
I always believed alien bases was all a farce myself. He never said he seen any aliens. I would not think of shooting one but maybe swing at him with something so I could run away.....There has only been one story I could not understand why a Nasa employees told. He was monitoring a Nasa flight where a craft dock up with some one or something. Any way he said a alien entered the US craft or space station and then all the screens went blank in a second at Nasa. strange. I bet he does not work there anymore.. if he did to began with. I did not recognize him..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 10:50:05 GMT -6
I'm a little disturbed with so much alien/human violence..like most of the movies coming out right now. There's even a scene in Paul that rather got my attention wrongly. It shows him encountering a dead bird...then with a loving expression bringing it back to life then in a heartbeat looking at it menacingly and gobbling it up...shocking his companions. His remark was..'you don't expect me to eat a dead bird do you?' This from a cartoon. It wasn't the idea of eating the bird..it was the 'miraculous' moment of resurrection then eating it. Maybe I'm just overly sensitive right now..but I'm seeing so much of it If we did have some sort of a landing the reception is likely to be more hostile on our part from all of the alien invasion movies.
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Post by skywalker on Feb 28, 2011 13:32:42 GMT -6
Perhaps that is why there hasn't been any landings. People always ask why they don't just come down and land on the Whitehouse lawn, but how can they if our military tries to blast them out of the skies before they even get close to it? I would bet that throughout the universe the inhabitants of our planet have a reputation for being extremely unfriendly.
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Post by auntym on Nov 25, 2014 13:54:05 GMT -6
The Underground - A Hidden Reality and The True Story of Phil Schneider / FULL VIDEOPublished on Mar 28, 2012 Phil Schneider died in 1996. Previous to his death he had been on tour across the United States speaking out about various subjects including his involvement with building a secret underground base in Dulce, New Mexico for the military. During this time, he said to have had an encounter with a violent E.T race in the late 1970's which would change his whole world reality immediately after. This documentary explores some of the information Phil Schneider spoke about to the public in the 1990's by examining each claim in detail with expert opinions from Richard Dolan, Richard Sauder, Neil Gould and Cynthia Drayer (Phil's Ex-Wife). In this documentary you will find never before published photo's of Phil's Autopsy, documents about the Philadelphia Experiment from Oscar Schneider's files (Phil's father) and a very well explained background about Underground Bases. For more information on Richard Sauder's work involving the research of underground bases, please visit this link: www.eventhorizonchronicle.blogFor more information - exonews.org/the-underground-a-
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Post by paulette on Nov 25, 2014 20:30:58 GMT -6
I couldn't watcj more than 6 minutes - the music, the drawings....couldn't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 10:46:07 GMT -6
I totally understand that Paulette.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 9:47:59 GMT -6
Ive been asked why dont more people speak out about their sightings more than they should well Dead men dont tell tales,just like Phil Schneider and Dr. Karla Turner 2 individuals that payed with their lifes after going public with what they witnessed..
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