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Post by paulette on Jan 27, 2015 0:47:26 GMT -6
I know I've written about this earlier and on another thread. But I just want to report that whatever makes noise in our house - is still making noise in our house. For awhile Terry husband would say, "Oh its the heating ducts contracting as they cool." Which probably contributes to some night noises. Except that we both hear stuff when the furnance hasn't been on.
It goes like this. We go to bed, talk and these days I've been reading aloud. Then we turn off the light (my CPAP machine makes a predictable monotonous sound). Then come the noises - not EVERY night, but most nights. Just like a cat was playing with something in another room. Small things fall off of piles. There are thumps. We lay there holding hands like Hansel and Gretel and squeeze when there's another noise! It goes on for awhile and then I fall asleep. If I wake up at night, I tend to hear things outside. But the house noises are settled down by the small hours.
I have awakened to a significantly LOUD noise - but I can't hear it when I'm awake and so don't know if I dreamed it. This used to happen in my first house which was about 100 years old. It was a scream, and I would wake up with my heart thumping. My brother and wife stayed there while we were out fishing (a long time ago) and they were freaked about this phenomena. Then the next house was totally normally quiet. Nothing. Very quiet psychically. Terry says he thinks its the ghost of his old cat Gnarly. When he and his wife divorced, Terry bought her out and got the house. Gnarly stayed at the house but Terry told her to take him somewhere as he often wasn't home and had never really liked the cat. She tried to give it to someone and it ran away after a day and never reappeared anywhere. Terry's theory was that it got killed trying to get back to its old home.
I donno.
I'm not particularly afraid of the noises. But they are definitely there.
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Post by casper on Jan 28, 2015 20:28:35 GMT -6
How old is the house you live in now paulette? Have you ever seen any ghosts there? Weird noises usually means they are sneaking around.
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Post by paulette on Jan 30, 2015 14:03:50 GMT -6
The house was built in the 70s Casper - it is a graceless full basement and one floor box. It was built in an old gravel pit which was excavated such that one neighbor is on the level of our top floor (about 20' up) from our backyard in that corner (as is the house in the back) and the other next door neighbor's house is built level with our backyard. The backyard is a real mess - never landscaped and full of rocks and blackberry vines. The slope up to the high neighbor is so steep that when the grass is wet it is dangerous to walk up. Obviously that has never been landscaped either - there are various trees growing out of the side hill and on our little strip on top. Weird.
The house does not feel occupied in a psychic way. Our old house had an old lady who was sensed by us but revealed herself to a 4 year old staying with us - she read the little girl a story and comforted her! Also there was scarier phenomenon which may not have been her - the ocassional scream in the night being one.
This house is cluttered so that if someone/thing was bumbling around they might knock into piles of books or plastic containers or whatever. I do sometimes finds things on the floor near such piles but that is hardly hard evidence. I have also heard footsteps over my head when I was working on rocks in the basement. I cheerily assumed my husband was home early and called out HELLO and then waited and then went upstairs and was so creeped out that I left the house to allow any possible human intruder to leave by another door. Nothing seemed to be missing or riflied through however.
My problem with the noises is there may come a time (knock on wood) that I SHOULD BE alarmed but I am so used to the bumping and thumping that I would just fall back asleep. Which is unfortunately what I tend to do anyway (like when camping). It is a dissociative reaction that may be rooted in my early childhood and whatever happened to me then. I also "go away" when in the dentist chair.
Terry was an exterminator of rodents and insects during his earlier life, and assures me that there is absolutely no signs of rats, squirrels, mice etc. in our home and basement. We do have raccoons that visit the compost pile outside and proably rodents because the neighbor's cat loves to hang out there. Also crows and birds eating worms.
I have had contact with friends who have died - both very intentionally and casually - as if they showed up to tell me something I needed to know. I was going to do a Wiccan version of a "house clearing" on the old house. I got everything set up - including a string that rang from my circle out the front door and into the yard. When I got right down to it I couldn't. (I could imagine an old woman weeping and looking at me). I then said, "I don't want to do this! You have been here longer than we have and mostly we all get along fine. But sometimes things feel scary around here and maybe you could do something about that."
We never had any more scary bits and it seemed "quieter" to me afterwards. But not as quiet as the next house which was totally inert! No noises, no sensations, no almost heard or really hear anything. However my daughter was very frightened of aliens in this house - but I think that began in the old house.
Anyway - then I lived in Cumberland, in an old rental house (Really old redone miner's cabin.) Sometimes the speakers I used pick up murmuring. My electrican friend said it was dead miners. But he was not being serious. If there is a transmitter nearby it can bleed through other system. I mostly heard things OUTSIDE and probably really did hear things outside. There was the year that they fenced off the dump with electric fence and all the dump bears came to town. One saw them running down main street or in one's backyard (in my case in my neighbor's fruit tree). Eventually they all re-eaccostomed themselves to the wildnerness nearby or starved or were shot.
I'm not against "minor encounter" with otherly ones - slight overhap with another dimension maybe, fairies and such maybe, spirits that are still tied to a particular place maybe. I don't thing I'm more important than they are, just happens that I have the body and am currently paying the mortgage. I don't believe that anyone "owns the land" - we should be stewarts of it but alas corporation have no such ethics. The area we live in is along a river than had First Nations living and using it until the smallpox took care of that "problem" and opened up the land to divide and sell (and misuse). The river is protected though - at least sections of it. This might have been a summer camp area.
Thanks for asking.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 30, 2015 18:30:20 GMT -6
If the noises only happen early in the night and then taper off after a while it might just be the house settling. You mentioned that you considered that it might be the heating ducts but the heat doesn't have to be on for the house to heat up. It does so during the day when the sun is shining on it which causes the wood and concrete to expand slightly then at night when it cools off the house contracts again and often will make weird popping and thumping noises. This is especially true of older houses that are made out of wood. Another possibility could be animal visitors but you already considered that so I doubt that is what it is. Another possibility could be that there are some minor earth tremors going on in the area but that wouldn't only happen early at night though. It might account for some of the things toppling over or falling out of place or whatever. The other possibility I can think of is...a ghost.
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Post by paulette on Jan 31, 2015 1:26:11 GMT -6
Sun shining on house? hahahahha. This is the rain and fog forest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 2:12:34 GMT -6
If all the "logical" answers don't fit . . . . As you all know, I don't believe in ghosts (as in people that once lived here, hanging around after their demise), but I do know there is another "world" around us. Some call it "spiritual" . As usual Paulette, you explained yourself very well. And I agree that some of these "things" are naturally benign. Or they need a little hint about manners, I guess. There ARE brief "visitations" from people that once lived here, but they are highly personal, and as I said, BRIEF. My daughter hears our piano playing in the middle of the night, just lately. It's not scary; but interesting. I haven't heard it, but my mom has recently been shutting the panel over the keys, and she NEVER did this before. So maybe she hears something too. One year in this 10 yr. old house, and we're having problems with the water (again). This is freaky. We had weird water "problems" in our other house.
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Post by paulette on Jan 31, 2015 13:22:41 GMT -6
Water problems??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 1:28:16 GMT -6
LOL. Yep. I'm still trying to keep it my "ha, ha" just one of those things. . . . catagory. LOL. you know, the old "toilets flushing on their own kind of thing", making weird noises other than flushing, and leaking (clean water so far! whew!) badly for no obvious reason, and such . the house I just moved from, both showers were redone recently, pipes and all, and they blew out ceilings beneath them, more than once. The downstairs toilet made sounds as if it was just flushed, but it wasn't, and when I did look, the toilet sat their making noises, but looking completely innocent, with no actual swirling of waters or handle movement. also at that house, I had a personal incident of buckets of water flowing through shut windows, running down them, and have a witness to that (several witnesses to the downstairs toilet too, BTW). We also had incidence of large puddles of water underneath two sinks, and as simple to figure out as that sounds, it still happened without a leaky pipe. My dad installed a "rain barrel" on the side of the house. After installation, it was never empty (no matter how dry the weather), and he next had to figure out what to do with the water, and our garden was continually blessed with the hose that came off of it . Just before we moved out of that house, my mom asked me what I thought of the numbers six6six ? She then showed me her credit card, and the deed whatever to the land this house was built on. The lot number was, yep. And her credit card? Kinda just stupid I thought, but she did cut it up and request a new number. I had already done some of my own studying at that point; for some weird reason I got the sense that my mom was somehow causing the water problems, and I found out that her unusual name is the name of some obscure "water nymph". Why I was able to find that out, and even report that here, is just bizarre. As you know, things like this are happening all over the world; a return to "superstitions". Have had problems with loud noises from a toilet here. My uncle who stayed with us last fall seemed to fix that problem, for the remaining Fall. Suddenly its doing a "running, running" thing, and hopefully I fixed that . This past Thursday night, it appears that the toilet off of my downstairs bathroom, attached to the hall and my bedroom, ran incessantly, for no apparent reason. The hallway, foot of the stairs, two feet into my bedroom, my closet floor, and of course the bathroom floor, had over an inch of water spreading on the floor, at 11:30 that night. I had heard the toilet "running" but it had stopped. My daughter went from her room to go upstairs, and excessively sloshed on the carpet in front of the stairs. We began moving some things, but the water did not advance further, and has taken much effort to recede. Another adjacent room to the bathroom (my closet is directly behind the toilet) is the furnace room with the water heater unit. Looks level, but the room is untouched other than 2 one-foot diameter circles in front of the furnace. Huh?? We still have great water pressure in the entire house. I have observed a kind of "stain" that has appeared in this house randomly. In places I just cleaned. Not mold. some of this is really kind of freaky. . . I found this "stain" in the middle of our bedroom doors one day. It wasn't there before. And it looked like it was applied with intent; I would go so far as to say I might have done it myself, while sleepwalking, as a "protection" symbol, but the "material" is "odd". Where would/did I get it? it is not what I would call a "bad material" but I wont specify right now. And yes, I did show it to someone and then wiped it off easily. I have seen it in other parts of the house. . . with no known source. My sister gave my dad one of her flat screen tvs for his bedroom, and her and my daughter set it up for him. When he decided he wanted it closer to his bed, the timing was for me to do it, and it is old, and heavy, and my daughter had to help me get it down from a high shelf. of course I had to unplug everything . When I got it set up again, cable and all, the tv was no longer on channel "3" (standard). It was some no-show channel 66six. Oh brother. I really don't "believe" in this stuff. I'm fine. You're fine. But what weirdness.
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Post by paulette on Feb 1, 2015 13:13:03 GMT -6
Well...none of this sounds uneventful. maybe you should make a little outside garden pool and let the excess waterbarrel water into it. And invite all the house water into it to. If you put a small pump in it won't harbor mosquito larvae. Make it beautiful and invite you water nympth to reside there - rather than in your carpet, etc. Just a thought.
666 is really not a very old superstition. I think Aleister Crowley came up with it in the 1900s. In Numerology (very ancient and also part of the Jewish Quabbalah) one adds all digits until one gets a single one. So 666 is 18 is 9. 9 (according to the Tarot and other references) is the number of manifestation on the physical plane - having a body, living on a rocky real world, being mortal. As a number it is no "better" or "worse" than any other number. Hungers, impulses, physical love - are perhaps part of it. Personally I like having a body and a planet (not that I recall any other way of doing it).
I looked up both 666 and 9 on Wikipedia. Interestingly, there was mention of some disagreement about whether the 666 in Biblical translations from the Greek was accurate or whether the number is question was 619. Of course we have made 666 significant by attributing sinister things to it. But can a NUMBER be sinister? Anyway here is some info about number 9:
Nine, as the highest single-digit number (in base ten), symbolizes completeness in the Bahá'í Faith. In addition, the word Bahá' in the Abjad notation has a value of 9, and a 9-pointed star is used to symbolize the religion. The number 9 is revered in Hinduism and considered a complete, perfected and divine number because it represents the end of a cycle in the decimal system, which originated from the Indian subcontinent as early as 3000 BC. In Buddhism, Gautama Buddha , was believed to have nine virtues, which he was (1) Accomplished, (2) Perfectly Enlightened, (3) Endowed with knowledge and Conduct or Practice, (4) Well-gone or Well-spoken, (5) the Knower of worlds, (6) the Guide Unsurpassed of men to be tamed, (7) the Teacher of gods and men, (8) Enlightened, and (9) Blessed. Important Buddhist rituals usually involve nine monks. The first nine days of the Hebrew month of Av are collectively known as "The Nine Days" (Tisha HaYamim), and are a period of semi-mourning leading up to Tisha B'Av, the ninth day of Av on which both Temples in Jerusalem were destroyed. Nine is a significant number in Norse Mythology. Odin hung himself on an ash tree for nine days to learn the runes. The Fourth Way Enneagram is one system of knowledge which shows the correspondence between the 9 integers and the circle. In the Christian angelic hierarchy there are 9 choirs of angels. Ramadan, the month of fasting and prayer, is the ninth month of the Islamic calendar.
I donno. I'm left handed (and therefore sinister) myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 14:01:11 GMT -6
Sigh. Your "constructing a place for water nymphs" initially sounds fine, and kind of sweet. I, would put a snack in the forest, or on my doorstep, for any wayward animal, or faery-creature. Yes, in fact, I have put cookies (and forgot about them) on a plate near the fireplace, in the spirit of thinking of "santa claus". We all know, that if a collar-less kitty were to find a bowl of warm milk or tidbit of tasty food on my doorstep each day, that goes beyond my initial intention. I'm now doing some 'luring'. Am I trying to catch the kitty and make it mine? Birds, don't go anywhere, because they have found a winter supply of birdseed. Have these "water nymphs" been "kind" to me? Are "they" asking for some sort of "tribute" so they will be kind to me? I'm all for the idea of trying to make "peace" with an "enemy", but totally inviting "them" into my home? IMHO, "they" are already here (if we are really talking about this). There have been several (scary) movies involving water, and honestly, I don't know how it was resolved. Surely not in the way you suggested . Which, I must admit, does make me consider your idea. what else could this water-problem be about? YES, I have been doing some research on plumbing in general. If it hadn't happened so much, I have to consider some logical reasons. When I was telling me mum about it, she reminded me that our old house STILL is having water problems (my sister now lives there). So, after thinking about this for a few days, how about another novel idea? sigh. Weirdness. Poltergeist type activity, and I somewhat agree with this, seems to be related to a person living among the polter-thingy activity. Not proven, of course. We all know why I can relate just a bit (my anger) . And for some reason, I had the "urge" to blame my mother. And I found out something weird. (the rest of her 5 siblings have "normal names". BTW). And, my mom, always holds ALL emotion in, no matter what's going on, and gives the world a smiling face. There's no "evil" intent here (me neither, LOL ), because she's damaging her own home, and she's the budgeteer. But I DO know that she has been quite upset lately. I could go into detail, but I really didn't know how upset, until when I went to tell her about my minor flood. I hadn't told her yet, but I sat down on a stool next to her TV-watching chair, took ahold of her hand, and asked her how she was doing. she kept hold of my hand (VERY unusual) and tears welled up instantly in her eyes. Ummmm, I did still tell her about my flood. Maybe , , . .
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Post by paulette on Feb 6, 2015 15:03:12 GMT -6
Sharing real world things and yes, crying together is closeness. Having to be OK all the time takes a terrible toll on one's heart and connections to other hearts (I mean this in an emotional way, but not having close friends does not bode well when one is ill.)
When I was a young woman, I allowed myself to be talked into doing some private duty care in a couple's house. He was an exhausted but kind old gentleman. She was in and out of dementia - they assumed Altzheimer's but later he told me she died of a brain tumor! Anyway she had been a socialite - card playing, well groomed, imperial. She didn't care much for me or anyone else. Certain not him.
Her friends came to visit - for awhile. They'd look at her, sitting in the chair with tangled hair (she seldom allowed me near her hair) and an outfit that had been once worn with a camisole or shirt underneath and now was reduced to a jacket over her flabby body, misbuttomed and with the last meal on it. They would stand at the door and say - just give her this card. I don't want to bother her - and scuttle away. She'd be yelling - "Wait, Stay! Make them stay!"
They did not want to be reminded of their own mortality and possible decline. They had never been "that kind of friends" that talked about anything REALLY significant. They played cards and spent their husbands' money together. Nevertheless...there she was getting a lesson she didn't want. This is what happened one afternoon (and I have told this story here some time ago , apologies if you already read it)
She: "You're pulling my hair! You're HURTING ME" Me: I'm sorry (but the truth was I had her in my grip and was going to comb that ratty hair." She: "No you're not. But it doesn matter to her." Me: "Who is her? Who am I talking to?" She "The old lady. She's like an old snake skin."
Welll...yeah...that rocked me back for sure. Was I talking to her soul? The part of her that understand how exasperating her personality was and where it had led her?
I don't know jcurio. But I'm still open to that possibility. PS. I saw her husband about two years later. He was with a group people having dinner and I believe he had a gray haired laughing woman on his arm. He told me his wife had to be hospitalized soon after I stopped working for him - and was put in palliative care in deep dementia. He looked sheepish to be happy. I told him , "I'm glad to see you happy! I hope she has a better life next time." He did not ask me what I meant and I assumed he knew what I meant - that she had shaped a life that left her alone at the end - and pushed him away as well.
Crying together - good!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 19:07:37 GMT -6
If this "water problem" continues, I may have to tell her my 'inclinations'. "Mom, a person isn't supposed to hold all those tears inside. That water has to come out somewhere! " And today, she was furiously cleaning our snack drawer of the fridge (doesn't hold much else because of its thin size) and claimed that something had spilled in there. Reminds me of the occasional wet spots I find on our floors (that is NOT the dog; I checked) . She just might listen to me. LOL. The other day, she quite surprised me. I really had no energy at all, and I needed to help her do some cleaning for guests coming. I do most of the daily, weekly, cleaning anyway (she loads and unloads the dishwasher mostly - she is 80 - I'm so thankful she does this), and we have to keep it "neat" because my dad is using a walker full time now. Every now and then I will do something over-the-top like polish the cabinets. She could tell I just wasn't moving much this day, even though I felt fairly good, but otherwise super tired, and she said "If I could just find a way to make you mad, that would give you some energy", and she was right . We laughed, and then she said, "I know that was kind of bad" (her thinking this way). . . but of course I was pleased that she showed that she DID know me some, even if that was the most obvious. Closeness is something I have wanted with her, but mine is as self-centered as hers. I want to change her (and I'm not the type of daughter she thought she'd have). But, I just might be the only person who tries to hold her hand, and then really tries to tell her its ok to let down the facade. I kind of remember the story you shared about the lady, but I'm glad you shared it again . I will tell you that while she has company over at least once a week, she doesn't get the same in return, and it has become more and more obvious since she's gotten older. But logically part of the reason more people don't entertain at home is too much to clean up, and of course, money. We don't have much money either, but it's only painfully obvious to her close family. And I *risk showing you my true colors here, because she actually IS doing for others, as she thinks she should. I just question her motivations. . . it's weird to me, that the only time she serves steak, is for company. She pulls the best, biggest, potatoes out of the sack, and says "these are for company". She buys cheesecake, or makes cookies and such, and tells us we can only have a taste, or a "half of one" because it's for her company. And yeah, sometimes I say something, but it never changes a thing. We can't afford to treat us, and the guests. I've also been around people who seemed to have a surplus of many things, and didn't even think of sharing outside their family, so I guess it's all a matter of opinion. I think I'll go upstairs after this, pull out a box of brownie mix that cost around a dollar, and just make it for us . ______________________________________________________________________________ I've always wanted a "fish pond" in my yard; one of those decorative type. I think I told the story of the huge goldfish we have right now, alone in a 20 gallon fish tank (because she eats anything smaller than her!), that my daughter rescued over 2 yrs. ago from a house yard pond, that was just left there when they moved away and the house wasn't selling. I think there was actually a layer of ice on the little pond when my daughter found her. We need a fence real bad, for the dogs, and so no way-ward toddler ever fell in our decorative pond, but hey! There's another goal! We also want a duck! _____________________________________________________________________________ I still wonder about your 'bumps and thumps'. I want an easy solution that these noises go on all the time, and you just notice them more because you are laying still. ha. Riiiiight. The last time I was on TEOR, I over did myself on the religion subject, over on Harmony's thread. I kind of knew that she would understand me, and be quite tolerant, but honestly, I was a little nervous about coming on here today, and thought about deleting what I wrote . While I was typing that, something made a SLAP! noise on the table within 5 feet of me, but out of my view. I jumped, but my ever present little dog didn't even raise his head. I then expected my PC to go blank or something. You've been able to ask your spouse if he heard the same noise. I've been able to ask other people also, and my mom has been hearing unexpected things, too. Wonder what it is??
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Post by paulette on Feb 9, 2015 16:33:46 GMT -6
Me too!
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Post by paulette on Mar 17, 2015 16:19:45 GMT -6
Just reporting in that last night was particularly loud. I lay in bed (seemingly relaxed but not really) and listen to noises and wonder if I'll regret being so calm about it. I can just imagine telling the police - "Oh we hear things all the time." [that is, if we live to tell the police...]
I don't think it is a human intruder- it comes and goes. Last night I thought "It" was in the hallway outside our bedroom (that doesn't have a door).I lay and hold my breath to try to hear better. But eventually I fall asleep and nothing comes of any of it. If husband didn't have firsthand knowledge of rodents and such (he was an exterminator) I'd be afraid it was a rat. But no rat signs.
Oh well....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 3:38:23 GMT -6
Just reporting in that last night was particularly loud. I lay in bed (seemingly relaxed but not really) and listen to noises and wonder if I'll regret being so calm about it. I can just imagine telling the police - "Oh we hear things all the time." [that is, if we live to tell the police...] I don't think it is a human intruder- it comes and goes. Last night I thought "It" was in the hallway outside our bedroom (that doesn't have a door).I lay and hold my breath to try to hear better. But eventually I fall asleep and nothing comes of any of it. If husband didn't have firsthand knowledge of rodents and such (he was an exterminator) I'd be afraid it was a rat. But no rat signs. Oh well.... Definitely creepy. Do you live in an old house?
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Post by paulette on Mar 21, 2015 11:35:23 GMT -6
Built in 1972 or so. Very boring, standard issue split level house. Doubt that anyone died here (could have I suppose.) Not likely to be a burial site - built in an old excavated gravel pit. Neigbors unlike to be creeping around - one is never there (he works aways) and the other is ancient. So...it goes....
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