What kind of a stupid theory is this? It doesn't disprove that ghosts exist cuz they do exist. If they don't exist then how come people can see them? How come I can see them?? Huh Mr smarty pants scientist?? Has that CERN corridor thingy detected human spirits? People have to have spirits cuz if they didn't they wouldn't die. Bodys don't just quit working for the heck of it. They have a spirit keeping them alive and when they die the spirit leaves. Did that silly machine detect all those spirits that left? Nope! Which means it can't detect everything. If it could it would detect spirits and ghosts and god too. Has the machine detected god?? NOPE!! Does that mean that god doesn't exist?? NOPE!!! It just means the machine is not as all mighty and powerful as they think it is. There could be energy and stuff out there that they can't even imagine yet. People need to quit thinking they are gods and that their machines are all mighty cuz they aren't.
Casper has a conniption fit when anybody says ghosts aren't real.
He did make a good point though. There are other forms of energy out there that people don't know about. Like psychic energy for instance. Nobody has ever been able to scientifically measure or observe it but it works somehow.
My point is, people are SO concerned with "proving life after death".
Our "death", APPEARS to result in an inanimate body, that under correct conditions, decomposes into something else, that MAY give off a slightly different ? than potting soil.
Why, does anyone expect that little pile of ash to "get up and walk" in its present form?
Let's go ahead and name several "life forms" on this Earth, that can be burnt, moldy, infested with man-eating creatures, etc., that get up in their "changed" form, and put out the same "energy reading" that they/IT did before.
Are we talking vampires? Zombies?
I agree that "ghosts" and other things on this Earth can put out "something" that can be detected by Human machines.
Why do people insist that life after death MUST be repeated (albeit in a different than original form) somewhere on this Earth?
Especially now, with all the scientific proof of a very vast galaxy!
THAT is asking too much for a "prison planet theory", IMO.
Simple logic tells us that any human is capable of lying. IF humans are the only specie giving off a certain type of energy, AND able to talk, this narrows down the possibilities of ANY type of "truth" telling; about anything.
I'm just asking, for people to consider, that "ghosts" aren't energy left over from former humans...
If we assume that the energy that sustains ghosts isn't an entirely new substance or medium, but carries on from when we were living, then this mysterious force controlling the particles that make up our cells would have been detected in the Large Hadron Collider by now. --------------------
Another quote from the article I posted above.
He uses the word "assume" and then "this mysterious force". Huh??
To me, AGAIN, we are seeing that old problem that got Galeo tortured.....and AGAIN, I see why people lose faith in "scientists being scientific".....,
Try to not let it get to you, Casper!
Just because someones' idea of what a "ghost" IS, doesn't work with their theory.... how does that mean it doesn't exist??
Instead, he says it directly contradicts the one of the most rigorously tested and fundamental laws of the Universe we have - the second law of thermodynamics.
The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system always increases over time.
Entropy is a measure of the randomness or disorder within a closed or isolated system, and the second law of thermodynamics states that as usable energy is lost, chaos increases - and without extra energy being put into a system, that progression towards disorder can never be reversed.
Because we can't touch and interact with them, ghosts can't be made of matter, but instead of energy.
And if energy is necessarily lost within every system - particularly if they're doing anything that requires using more of it, such as moving, emitting light, or making spooky sounds - it would be impossible for them to maintain their existence for any significant period of time." ------------- "Ghosts" SEEM to be able to touch us, give us feelings, and sometimes SEEM to interact with us!
And DUH! Anyone seen a "ghost" that stays in "humanly readable existence" for hours in a row?? And, go so far as to be able to say "I'm maintaining my own existence, but for only this length of time."
Seriously. This guy is doing some double-speak (pretty common these days).
Basically, as you said, Casper. More than stupid.
Now, I've got to go look up something I heard about YEARS ago.
en·tro·py ˈentrəpē/ noun 1. PHYSICS a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system. 2. lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder. "a marketplace where entropy reigns supreme" synonyms: deterioration, degeneration, crumbling, decline, degradation, decomposition, breaking down, collapse; More *************
LACK OF ORDER OR PREDICTABILITY (hmmmmmm.......)
Pretty good "explanation" for ghosts (and other such things). 😁
Let me rephrase you a bit - I tend to try to turn things round 😉
On a different subject, Are scientists trying to "make a body" that "works" without a spirit? Is anyone "scientific" concerned about the "after-life" of a clone?? In other words, does a clone have a "ghost" some day?
Just how long can we keep a fully developed human "alive" on a machine, when the person has no brain activity?
What is the longest time a human has been in a coma (sometimes medically induced), and "woken back up" ?
I have no doubt that scientists have no "trouble" or qualms in defining the human body by KNOWN particles.
I wouldn't doubt if "readings" changed between bodies kept alive by machines: comparing one brain dead and one in a coma that is NOT brain-dead- and so some "scientist" making "calculations"..... more impressive than weighing a body at the moment of death.
STILL, doesn't give anybody any proof of the "after-life". _______
Why is CERN putting out stooopid stuff?
Billion (and trillions, etc.) expensive machine; using some sort of "scientists humor"?
"On a different subject, Are scientists trying to "make a body" that "works" without a spirit? Is anyone "scientific" concerned about the "after-life" of a clone?? In other words, does a clone have a "ghost" some day?"
Of course a clone has a ghost. If it's alive its got to have a spirit. It doesn't matter where the body comes from. The body is just the vehicle the ghost rides around in. Everything that's alive has a spirit and when it dies the spirit can stick around and be a ghost if it wants to. It doesn't have to tho. I just hope it does.
skywalker: Very funny, ghost boy
Jun 3, 2018 14:58:58 GMT -6
lois: Casper he should come fix mine. Mine is doomed
Jun 26, 2018 21:54:27 GMT -6
spotless38: Iam back after a long break . What a couple of years I had . After what had happened I lost my brother and had to bury him and then I had caught that type A flue and I was a very sick puppy I also needed blood for the loss of it .
Jul 7, 2018 13:30:41 GMT -6
lois: Very Happy to see you Ron. Missed you. Glad you are doing better now. Sorry for your lost. I did not know your brother had passed. hugs lois
Jul 10, 2018 0:52:45 GMT -6
paulette: Ron - hope you've hit a quiet spot. Sorry for your loss.
Aug 3, 2018 10:49:30 GMT -6
lois: I picked up my phone a few days ago and I looked at the name of the caller. Boy was I surprise. It has been a couple of years. So good to hear your voice Ron. Hope you make it a habit again. love and hugs .
Aug 15, 2018 23:21:38 GMT -6
leia77: Spotless, I am glad that you are feeling better and welcome back! I too am back from a long time away...
Aug 31, 2018 2:08:32 GMT -6
jcurio: I am much relieved to see that you have been on here, Spotless! I hope that things are going much better for you now
Sept 19, 2018 16:46:42 GMT -6
jcurio: And Lois, And Lorelei!
Sept 19, 2018 16:47:07 GMT -6
casper: And Meeeeeee!!
Oct 16, 2018 18:41:31 GMT -6
lois: Sorry guys I cannot see the print. On is tiny hand computer
Oct 21, 2018 20:42:09 GMT -6
lois: Casper your page stops at page five in 2016
Nov 15, 2018 23:54:01 GMT -6
lois: How did your Halloween night go this year?
Nov 15, 2018 23:54:58 GMT -6
skywalker: He posted on the Halloween thread this year.
Nov 25, 2018 18:33:36 GMT -6
lois: Oh ok Sky I will check it out. Thanks.
Dec 21, 2018 21:45:31 GMT -6
lois: What topic was it under.
Dec 21, 2018 21:51:07 GMT -6