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Post by swamprat on Sept 19, 2017 9:15:12 GMT -6
Navy is running top secret programme to detect alien spacecraft under the ocean, UFO expert claimsLeading astronomer and ufologist Marc D’Antonio says that he witnessed a USO – unidentified submerged object – while aboard a navy submarine in the North Atlantic
By Emma Parry, Digital US Correspondent in Hulett, Wyoming
19th September 2017
Marc D’Antonio, an astronomer and chief video analyst for UFO organisation MUFON, said he witnessed what he believes must have been an alien craft travelling at impossible speeds while he was on board a US Navy submarine in the North Atlantic ocean.
Marc then heard a naval officer ordering the sonar operator to log the unidentified object - which was travelling at "several hundred knots" - as part of the “Fast Mover Programme”.
Currently most submarine and torpedoes can only go up to 40 knots – due to the resistance of the water.
The Russians reportedly have a torpedo that can go in excess of 200 knots - but a speed of "several hundred knots" would appear to be impossible for human-built crafts.
Marc, who runs a special effects company called FX Models that undertakes Naval contracts, said: “As a thankyou for doing some work for them Navy asked me if I wanted to go for a ride in a submarine so I said yes.
“Once we got under I was sitting in the sonar station and the sonar operator was sitting right next to me.
"Submarines are loud – people think they are very quiet and it’s true they are on the outside because the sound doesn’t get out. But inside you hear fans, noise - it’s a constant din on a sub.
“I was sitting there zoning out a little because I was sea sick and all of a sudden the sonar kid shouts 'fast mover, fast mover' and I’m jolted awake – thinking ‘What’s happening? Is it a torpedo?’
“The executive officer comes out and the operator shows him the path of the object and the officer says 'How fast is that going?'
“And the kid said 'several hundred knots'. I start to lean forward to listen in – and the officer said ‘Can you confirm it?’
“So he goes to another sonar machine and confirmed it wasn’t a machine anomaly - it was real. I thought ‘Wow that is incredible’.
“When the sonar guy said ‘What do I do with this?’ the officer said ‘log it and dog it’ - in other words log it and bury it.”
Four years later Marc said he was doing some more contract work for the Navy when he spoke to a senior naval figure about what he saw.
“I asked him ‘Can you tell me about the Fast Mover Programme?'" Marc explained.
“He looked at me and said 'Sorry Marc I can’t talk about that programme'.
“So he basically confirmed to me that the programme exists - he said everything without saying anything.
“What that told me was that USOs are common – we even have a programme in place to classify and log and determine the speed of them and it goes into a vault.”
Marc made the claims at the Devil’s Tower UFO Rendezvous in Hulett, Wyoming – where UFO enthusiasts from around America met at the site of Close Encounters Of The Third Kind rock to discuss alien-related findings.
He also revealed he is currently working on a project with Close Encounters visual effects supervisor Douglas Trumbell, which he hopes will scientifically prove the existence of alien life.
The pair have been designing UFO detecting ground units which they hope to eventually place in countries all over the world.
Marc, who also runs the SkyTour LiveStream YouTube channel where he takes viewers on live tours of the night sky, is currently testing the units in his observatory.
He said: "The UFOTOG II system will bring ufology into the 21st century by marrying real science with standard observation.
"The system will look for phenomena in the sky and if it finds something that isn't a satellite, a plane, or some known object that we can access in a database, it will alert us by sending a message via GPS satellite to our cell phones.
"We'll make all the data we collect open and available to everyone.
"We are open minded and believe that visitation by an advanced alien race is not a scientific improbability."
www.thesun.co.uk/news/4487506/us-navy-is-running-top-secret-programme-to-detect-alien-spacecraft-under-the-ocean-ufo-expert-claims/
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Post by plutronus on Sept 25, 2017 15:30:10 GMT -6
Navy is running top secret programme to detect alien spacecraft under the ocean, UFO expert claimsLeading astronomer and ufologist Marc D’Antonio says that he witnessed a USO – unidentified submerged object – while aboard a navy submarine in the North Atlantic
By Emma Parry, Digital US Correspondent in Hulett, Wyoming
19th September 2017
Marc D’Antonio, an astronomer and chief video analyst for UFO organisation MUFON, said he witnessed what he believes must have been an alien craft travelling at impossible speeds while he was on board a US Navy submarine in the North Atlantic ocean.
Marc then heard a naval officer ordering the sonar operator to log the unidentified object - which was travelling at "several hundred knots" - as part of the “Fast Mover Programme”.
Currently most submarine and torpedoes can only go up to 40 knots – due to the resistance of the water.
The Russians reportedly have a torpedo that can go in excess of 200 knots - but a speed of "several hundred knots" would appear to be impossible for human-built crafts.
Marc, who runs a special effects company called FX Models that undertakes Naval contracts, said: “As a thankyou for doing some work for them Navy asked me if I wanted to go for a ride in a submarine so I said yes.
“Once we got under I was sitting in the sonar station and the sonar operator was sitting right next to me.
"Submarines are loud – people think they are very quiet and it’s true they are on the outside because the sound doesn’t get out. But inside you hear fans, noise - it’s a constant din on a sub.
“I was sitting there zoning out a little because I was sea sick and all of a sudden the sonar kid shouts 'fast mover, fast mover' and I’m jolted awake – thinking ‘What’s happening? Is it a torpedo?’ . . . Marc, who also runs the SkyTour LiveStream YouTube channel where he takes viewers on live tours of the night sky, is currently testing the units in his observatory.
He said: "The UFOTOG II system will bring ufology into the 21st century by marrying real science with standard observation.
"The system will look for phenomena in the sky and if it finds something that isn't a satellite, a plane, or some known object that we can access in a database, it will alert us by sending a message via GPS satellite to our cell phones.
"We'll make all the data we collect open and available to everyone.
"We are open minded and believe that visitation by an advanced alien race is not a scientific improbability."
www.thesun.co.uk/news/4487506/us-navy-is-running-top-secret-programme-to-detect-alien-spacecraft-under-the-ocean-ufo-expert-claims/ It is my opinion that "fast-mover" is a general military term that describes a type of high-speed activity, whether it be on land, in ocean or aerial. It is not a "programme" but rather a phrase, something like 'bogey' or 'bogies'. Fast-mover data within a military perspective would certainly be treated as sensitive information if not out right operationally classified. As for fast-movers in ocean water, there are numerous submersible vehicles and robots that are capable of high-speed underwater travel in excess of 200kts. Nothing new in this. It was an American DIA spy who revealed Russian hyper-cavitation technology. The DIA spy was arrested for espionage in Russia in 1980, but was pardoned by Russian President Vladimer Putin because the spy was sick with bone cancer.
The Russians (as usual) were the first to develop hyper-cavitation for subsea propulsion. However all that may be, it is interesting to note that NASA's propulsion physicist (deceased) Paul Hill, who observed alien craft exhibitions, technically analyzed and described an artificial laminar-air foil created by high-energy ionization around alien-vehicles (causes alien craft to glow at night) which is frequently cited in popular UFO literature as 'plasma'. This laminar-air-foil ionization actually enables high-speed transit through the viscous atmosphere and cavitation works in a similar manner, sort-of in the viscous ocean. Cavitation creates a bubble around the vehicle, an 'air-foil' so-to-speak, lessens friction, while moving objects in the line-of-path around the craft preventing high-speed impacts, and it does so whether the atmosphere be made of water or air, both are viscous and from a strictly physics perspective are merely gradients of one environment..
>it will alert us by sending a message via GPS satellite to our cell phones.
It can not work that way. US GPS, --both the NAVSTAR and the soon to be turned-on for public usage, 'L2C Civil-Tracker' GPS system (I was the lead integration engineer for the CS of the latter system) may be considered to be one way signal paths, SV down to user-GPS receivers. While it is true that the US DoD/NGA Control-Segment does in fact transmit (highly encrypted) control messages up to the space-vehicles (GPS speak for 'satellites'), only elements of the DoD can do so. In other words, there is no public nor commercial communication or telemetry channels available via the US GPS constellation. You can bet your bippy that the Baido system (Chinese gvmnt) and the Russian (GLONASS) also do not provide such services to anyone or UFOologists. The Australians and the British both have also implemented a GPS system, and their systems also uses a similar to US DoD schema. No country allows public access to their GPS SV transmitter channels. >He said: "The UFOTOG II system will bring ufology into the 21st century >by marrying real science with standard observation.
I have been promoting autonomous ET craft detection and measurement instrumentation platforms since 1992 via my SETV model. My audience was not UFOology, but rather aerospace and SETI scientists and engineers.
There are several issues that are never mentioned in any of the recent instrumentation configurations that folks are beginning to implement as they too are now realizing that current technology is capable of supporting citizen ET craft instrumentation sensors. In all of these, the missing element is how one may discriminate between ambient urban electronic noise, natural electric noise, and signals by possibly alien technology and related physics phenomenon. Simply running magnetometers, radiation sensors and cameras won't do it. It takes years to track down the local noise sources while the more sensitive a sensor system exhibits the more noise it registers. Registering a single burst of bleeps almost never indicates an alien-craft transit. Things like automobile ignitions systems, cell-phones, CB-radio transcievers, aircraft and now toy-drones (not talking visual here, but rather the DC magnets in the motors disturbing the magnetometers type noise), the list goes on and on. Simply implementing many sensors doesn't cut the mustard either, although the strategy is on the right track, in my opinion. Most of these efforts fail for one reason or another, and most fail because they are not thinking the problem throughly enough. I wish them luck.
I'm a career military electronics engineer, and I've been privately developing an alien-craft sensor network system since 1992. It is a daunting task. The sensor element has always been the easy part to implement. I have implemented numerous test platforms that function flawlessly, registering gobs of noise. However, data discrimination is not easy and has always been the problem. I think I now have a workable strategy, but I'm not going to reveal how it works until I am ready to deploy the system. Not because I don't care to share, but rather to prevent the copycats, and the babblers from obfuscating the sensor-space with gobs of data dis-information. plutronus
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Post by jcurio on Sept 26, 2017 10:04:55 GMT -6
Navy is running top secret programme to detect alien spacecraft under the ocean, UFO expert claimsLeading astronomer and ufologist Marc D’Antonio says that he witnessed a USO – unidentified submerged object – while aboard a navy submarine in the North Atlantic
By Emma Parry, Digital US Correspondent in Hulett, Wyoming
19th September 2017
Marc D’Antonio, an astronomer and chief video analyst for UFO organisation MUFON, said he witnessed what he believes must have been an alien craft travelling at impossible speeds while he was on board a US Navy submarine in the North Atlantic ocean.
Marc then heard a naval officer ordering the sonar operator to log the unidentified object - which was travelling at "several hundred knots" - as part of the “Fast Mover Programme”.
Currently most submarine and torpedoes can only go up to 40 knots – due to the resistance of the water.
The Russians reportedly have a torpedo that can go in excess of 200 knots - but a speed of "several hundred knots" would appear to be impossible for human-built crafts.
Marc, who runs a special effects company called FX Models that undertakes Naval contracts, said: “As a thankyou for doing some work for them Navy asked me if I wanted to go for a ride in a submarine so I said yes.
“Once we got under I was sitting in the sonar station and the sonar operator was sitting right next to me.
"Submarines are loud – people think they are very quiet and it’s true they are on the outside because the sound doesn’t get out. But inside you hear fans, noise - it’s a constant din on a sub.
“I was sitting there zoning out a little because I was sea sick and all of a sudden the sonar kid shouts 'fast mover, fast mover' and I’m jolted awake – thinking ‘What’s happening? Is it a torpedo?’ . . . Marc, who also runs the SkyTour LiveStream YouTube channel where he takes viewers on live tours of the night sky, is currently testing the units in his observatory.
He said: "The UFOTOG II system will bring ufology into the 21st century by marrying real science with standard observation.
"The system will look for phenomena in the sky and if it finds something that isn't a satellite, a plane, or some known object that we can access in a database, it will alert us by sending a message via GPS satellite to our cell phones.
"We'll make all the data we collect open and available to everyone.
"We are open minded and believe that visitation by an advanced alien race is not a scientific improbability."
www.thesun.co.uk/news/4487506/us-navy-is-running-top-secret-programme-to-detect-alien-spacecraft-under-the-ocean-ufo-expert-claims/ It is my opinion that "fast-mover" is a general military term that describes a type of high-speed activity, whether it be on land, in ocean or aerial. It is not a "programme" but rather a phrase, something like 'bogey' or 'bogies'. Fast-mover data within a military perspective would certainly be treated as sensitive information if not out right operationally classified. As for fast-movers in ocean water, there are numerous submersible vehicles and robots that are capable of high-speed underwater travel in excess of 200kts. Nothing new in this. It was an American DIA spy who revealed Russian hyper-cavitation technology. The DIA spy was arrested for espionage in Russia in 1980, but was pardoned by Russian President Vladimer Putin because the spy was sick with bone cancer.
The Russians (as usual) were the first to develop hyper-cavitation for subsea propulsion. However all that may be, it is interesting to note that NASA's propulsion physicist (deceased) Paul Hill, who observed alien craft exhibitions, technically analyzed and described an artificial laminar-air foil created by high-energy ionization around alien-vehicles (causes alien craft to glow at night) which is frequently cited in popular UFO literature as 'plasma'. This laminar-air-foil ionization actually enables high-speed transit through the viscous atmosphere and cavitation works in a similar manner, sort-of in the viscous ocean. Cavitation creates a bubble around the vehicle, an 'air-foil' so-to-speak, lessens friction, while moving objects in the line-of-path around the craft preventing high-speed impacts, and it does so whether the atmosphere be made of water or air, both are viscous and from a strictly physics perspective are merely gradients of one environment..
>it will alert us by sending a message via GPS satellite to our cell phones.
It can not work that way. US GPS, --both the NAVSTAR and the soon to be turned-on for public usage, 'L2C Civil-Tracker' GPS system (I was the lead integration engineer for the CS of the latter system) may be considered to be one way signal paths, SV down to user-GPS receivers. While it is true that the US DoD/NGA Control-Segment does in fact transmit (highly encrypted) control messages up to the space-vehicles (GPS speak for 'satellites'), only elements of the DoD can do so. In other words, there is no public nor commercial communication or telemetry channels available via the US GPS constellation. You can bet your bippy that the Baido system (Chinese gvmnt) and the Russian (GLONASS) also do not provide such services to anyone or UFOologists. The Australians and the British both have also implemented a GPS system, and their systems also uses a similar to US DoD schema. No country allows public access to their GPS SV transmitter channels. >He said: "The UFOTOG II system will bring ufology into the 21st century >by marrying real science with standard observation.
I have been promoting autonomous ET craft detection and measurement instrumentation platforms since 1992 via my SETV model. My audience was not UFOology, but rather aerospace and SETI scientists and engineers.
There are several issues that are never mentioned in any of the recent instrumentation configurations that folks are beginning to implement as they too are now realizing that current technology is capable of supporting citizen ET craft instrumentation sensors. In all of these, the missing element is how one may discriminate between ambient urban electronic noise, natural electric noise, and signals by possibly alien technology and related physics phenomenon. Simply running magnetometers, radiation sensors and cameras won't do it. It takes years to track down the local noise sources while the more sensitive a sensor system exhibits the more noise it registers. Registering a single burst of bleeps almost never indicates an alien-craft transit. Things like automobile ignitions systems, cell-phones, CB-radio transcievers, aircraft and now toy-drones (not talking visual here, but rather the DC magnets in the motors disturbing the magnetometers type noise), the list goes on and on. Simply implementing many sensors doesn't cut the mustard either, although the strategy is on the right track, in my opinion. Most of these efforts fail for one reason or another, and most fail because they are not thinking the problem throughly enough. I wish them luck.
I'm a career military electronics engineer, and I've been privately developing an alien-craft sensor network system since 1992. It is a daunting task. The sensor element has always been the easy part to implement. I have implemented numerous test platforms that function flawlessly, registering gobs of noise. However, data discrimination is not easy and has always been the problem. I think I now have a workable strategy, but I'm not going to reveal how it works until I am ready to deploy the system. Not because I don't care to share, but rather to prevent the copycats, and the babblers from obfuscating the sensor-space with gobs of data dis-information. plutronus
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Post by jcurio on Sept 26, 2017 10:16:46 GMT -6
Yes, it obviously is a daunting task.
I simply can't imagine all that You and others have been through to make it to this day.
I hate that my mind instantly goes to having "negative" thoughts. That all this "noise" you talk about here, the way our technology (to the public sector) has advanced, has possibly been something put in your way, to deter you from quick progress.
So, let's turn it into something Positive.
Which You do..... trying to foresee and prepare for what may come next.....
Thank You. Thank You. Thank You.
😘
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