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Post by swamprat on Oct 2, 2011 20:07:56 GMT -6
The session going on in Orlando has included discussions on the impact on religions if and when ET shows up.....Are Aliens Part of God's Plan, Too? Finding E.T. Could Change Religion Foreverby Clara Moskowitz, SPACE.com Senior Writer Date: 02 October 2011 ORLANDO, Fla. — The discovery of intelligent aliens would be mind-blowing in many respects, but it could present a special dilemma for the world's religions, theologians pondering interstellar travel concepts said Saturday (Oct. 1). Christians, in particular, might take the news hardest, because the Christian belief system does not easily allow for other intelligent beings in the universe, Christian thinkers said at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to discuss issues surrounding traveling to other stars. In other words, "Did Jesus die for Klingons too?" as philosophy professor Christian Weidemannof Germany's Ruhr-University Bochum titled his talk at a panel on the philosophical and religious considerations of visiting other worlds. "According to Christianity, an historic event some 2,000 years ago was supposed to save the whole of creation," Weidemann said. "You can grasp the conflict." Here's how the debate goes: If the whole of creation includes 125 billion galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars in each, as astronomers think, then what if some of these stars have planets with advanced civilizations, too? Why would Jesus Christ have come to Earth, of all the inhabited planets in the universe, to save Earthlings and abandon the rest of God's creatures? Aliens and religion can still coexistWeidemann, a self-described protestant Christian, suggested some possible solutions. Perhaps extraterrestrials aren't sinners, like humans, and therefore aren't in need of saving. However, the principle of mediocrity — the idea that your own example is most likely typical unless you have evidence to the contrary — casts doubt on this, he pointed out. "If there are extraterrestrial intelligent beings at all, it is safe to assume that most of them are sinners too," Weidemann said. "If so, did Jesus save them too? My position is no. If so, our position among intelligent beings in the universe would be very exceptional." Another possibility is that God incarnated multiple times, sending a version of himself down to save each inhabited planet separately. However, based on the best guesses of how many civilizations we might expect to exist in the universe, and how long planets and civilizations are expected to survive, God's incarnations would have had to be in about 250 places simultaneously at any given time, assuming each incarnation took about 30 years, Weidemann calculated. Religious food for thoughtIf God truly became corporeal and took human form when Jesus Christ was born, this wouldn't have been possible, Weidemann said. Rev. Thomas Hoffmann, a protestant pastor in Tulsa, Okla., said that the issues Weidemann raised were "really on target." "If life is discovered elsewhere, unfortunately we need to have more discussion about it," Hoffmann said. "I think this is a very robust conversation we need to have." While the discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence would likely spur profound soul-searching for people of all faiths, many of the world's religions might have an easier time accommodating the knowledge than Christianity, said theologist Michael Waltemathe, also of the Ruhr-University Bochum. "It seems to be only a problem of Christianity," Waltemathe said. In Islam, for example, Muhammad was a prophet, or messenger of God, not God incarnate, so additional prophets could have simultaneously visited other planets to save extraterrestrial species, he said. And Hindus already believe in multiple deities, so accommodating more to guard over alien civilizations may not be difficult. Ultimately, though, the discovery of intelligent aliens isn't likely to pose a serious crisis for Christianity, either, Hoffmann said. After all, the religion has survived challenging scientific revelations before. "Religion is essentially conservative," Hoffmann told SPACE.com. "You can put almost anything in its face and it's going to shake out a little bit, and then it's going to drop right back down. We've seen this happen historically." www.space.com/13152-aliens-religion-impacts-extraterrestrial-christianity.html
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Post by auntym on Oct 9, 2011 13:36:05 GMT -6
www.space.com/13152-aliens-religion-impacts-extraterrestrial-christianity.html Are Aliens Part of God's Plan, Too? Finding E.T. Could Change Religion Foreverby Clara Moskowitz, SPACE.com Senior Writer Date: 02 October 2011 Aliens with UFO CREDIT: Dreamstime ORLANDO, Fla. — The discovery of intelligent aliens would be mind-blowing in many respects, but it could present a special dilemma for the world's religions, theologians pondering interstellar travel concepts said Saturday (Oct. 1). Christians, in particular, might take the news hardest, because the Christian belief system does not easily allow for other intelligent beings in the universe, Christian thinkers said at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to discuss issues surrounding traveling to other stars. In other words, "Did Jesus die for Klingons too?" as philosophy professor Christian Weidemannof Germany's Ruhr-University Bochum titled his talk at a panel on the philosophical and religious considerations of visiting other worlds. "According to Christianity, an historic event some 2,000 years ago was supposed to save the whole of creation," Weidemann said. "You can grasp the conflict." [10 Alien Encounters Debunked] Here's how the debate goes: If the whole of creation includes 125 billion galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars in each, as astronomers think, then what if some of these stars have planets with advanced civilizations, too? Why would Jesus Christ have come to Earth, of all the inhabited planets in the universe, to save Earthlings and abandon the rest of God's creatures? Aliens and religion can still coexistWeidemann, a self-described protestant Christian, suggested some possible solutions. Perhaps extraterrestrials aren't sinners, like humans, and therefore aren't in need of saving. However, the principle of mediocrity — the idea that your own example is most likely typical unless you have evidence to the contrary — casts doubt on this, he pointed out. [10 Wildest Ways to Contact Aliens] "If there are extraterrestrial intelligent beings at all, it is safe to assume that most of them are sinners too," Weidemann said. "If so, did Jesus save them too? My position is no. If so, our position among intelligent beings in the universe would be very exceptional." Another possibility is that God incarnated multiple times, sending a version of himself down to save each inhabited planet separately. However, based on the best guesses of how many civilizations we might expect to exist in the universe, and how long planets and civilizations are expected to survive, God's incarnations would have had to be in about 250 places simultaneously at any given time, assuming each incarnation took about 30 years, Weidemann calculated. CONTINUE READING: www.space.com/13152-aliens-religion-impacts-extraterrestrial-christianity.html
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Post by lois on Oct 9, 2011 22:31:22 GMT -6
I believe it all fits somehow.. someway.. , but for now in my lifetime, I don't mix my beliefs in both.. If God created all.. these aliens have to be part of it..What he created he said was good. Evil did not participate in his creation. It is hard enough for one to work out his own salvation in this world , so I leave it at that.
His devine law is for the whole creation he made. Whether it be out there or here. Man needed a guide to make this world last in a harmonious way with Peace and Love. We have had to endure wars but the good has always triumph..
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Post by paulette on Oct 10, 2011 10:19:08 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on Oct 10, 2011 11:37:24 GMT -6
Another possibility is that God incarnated multiple times, sending a version of himself down to save each inhabited planet separately. Sounds good to me. Each to his own place and time. But I have no need for this to be true and if we end up in physical contact and dialogue with visitors I'm sure the major religions will scramble to make it part of the plan all along. i agree paulette.... i love the fact the catholic church now claims et's are real.... theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=religion&action=display&thread=681
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Post by auntym on Oct 10, 2011 15:21:13 GMT -6
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/theologian-says-religious_n_998508.htmlTheologian Ted Peters Says Religious Believers 'Ready To Share A Pew With Aliens' Lee Speigel Posted: 10/10/11 12:01 PM ET Religious leaders think it may be a good thing if Earthlings and ETs reach out to touch each other. If it turns out that Earthlings aren't alone in the universe and contact is eventually made between us and an extraterrestrial race, would we actually accept them as new-found friends and galactic neighbors? That question has been raised many times in the past couple of years by a variety of individuals in and out of religious circles. It was among the myriad topics discussed at the recent 100 Year Starship Symposium in Orlando, Fla. Sponsored by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the event considered issues dealing with future plans for humans to travel to faraway star systems. Among the subjects discussed were the philosophical and religious considerations about humans going into deep space and finding hospitable worlds and life elsewhere. Exactly how would the religious community react to the possibility of real, honest-to-goodness aliens in our midst? "It depends on what you mean by 'religious community,' said Ted Peters, a professor of systematic theology at Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary and the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, Calif. "If you're talking about theologians, they do, from time to time, address the matter of other worlds with intelligent beings as part of God's creation. And, believe it or not, this has been going on for 800 years," Peters (pictured at left) told The Huffington Post. In a 2008 interview, astronomer and Vatican observatory director Jose Gabriel Funes said the Church wouldn't have a problem with the idea of intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos. "Astronomers believe that the universe is made up of 100 billion galaxies, each of which consists of 100 billion stars. Many of these -- or almost all -- could have planets," Funes said. "How can you exclude that life has developed elsewhere?" "As there is a multiplicity of creatures on Earth, so there could be other beings, even intelligent, created by God," he added. "This does not contradict our faith because we cannot put limits on God's creative freedom. "If we consider earthly creatures as 'brother' and 'sister,' why could we not also speak of an 'extraterrestrial brother'?" Peters, author of the book "UFOs: God's Choice," agrees with Funes. "I know a number of Jesuits who work at the Vatican observatory and they see themselves as serious scientists who are trying to answer the extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) question," said Peters. "Theologically, they believe that God's creation is immense and that other intelligent beings would be creatures of God." WATCH THIS 2009 NEWS REPORT ON THE VATICAN E.T. CONFERENCE: CONTINUE READING: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/theologian-says-religious_n_998508.html
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Post by Steve on Oct 10, 2011 18:35:06 GMT -6
My wifes church, where she sings in the choir, this article would be just the stuff that would drive it's partitioner's absolutely nuts. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 18:59:09 GMT -6
Is she an alto or a soprano Steve?
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Post by Steve on Oct 10, 2011 19:57:20 GMT -6
High soprano. Steve
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Post by skywalker on Oct 10, 2011 21:59:29 GMT -6
I don't think that proof of the existance of Extraterrestrials would be that big of a problem for religions to deal with. They have had to modify their beliefs it many times before. For example, Heaven was originally thought to be an actual physical place that existed up in the sky but was later changed to a "spiritual" place when it was proven that there was no physical heaven up above the Earth.
They had to change their beliefs again when it was proven that dinosaurs really did exist and that the Earth was more than 6 billion years old rather than the 6000 or so that the Bible claims.
Religious leaders may not like change but eventually they can be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting it. ET life will be no different. We can already see some organized religions shifting their thinking to at least acknowledge the possibilities of it. They will be able to handle it.
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Post by paulette on Oct 11, 2011 10:18:28 GMT -6
Ok...we're into personal questions here, I've got another one. What does she make of your fairly intensive UFO studies? Maybe that's the start of another thread altogether - I'll post one now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 14:09:40 GMT -6
Cool. Thanks for sharing Steve. I always sang in the low alto sections in choir, but I am technically a "Mezzo Soprano" which means I can sing either low soprano or low/high alto. I just like singing "bass" for some reason. It's more fun I think to harmonize... low altos very seldom get the melody, it keeps it challenging. It gives one a sense of well-being to be filling in the background with low tones...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 22:46:25 GMT -6
And we're back again to putting our morals and beliefs on individuals we cannot possibly understand, raised on alien planets or dimensions and who may not even have emotions by our standards. We can't even share a pew with religions differing from our own..how about space-farers who call the god they believe in by an even different name than Allah or Shiva or Jehovah or Elohim, the Great Spirit or any one of a dozen earth names that raise the blood pressures of 'good' Christians? Hate crimes over religion are alive and well on Earth. I believe in God..but I won't be sharing a pew with anyone because I do not believe in religion. It causes division. Instead of being a race of united people..we are a people divided by country and color and religion. We are a people divided by intolerance and we're talking about adding cosmic brothers to the list? I'm thinking there might be a few problems with stuffing them into our ideals of respectability
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 23:07:33 GMT -6
Very true Jo. Well said. This is the state of the world at present, and it looks like it won't change for a very very long time... We don't only divide ourselves based on race, country or religion either. People in different social circles ostracize those who run in different circles. Wealthy people frown upon poor people... and here lately... poor people have become increasingly aggressive and demanding that the rich give them what they believe they deserve. Cashiers in supermarkets are treated like little more than slaves. Young people who refuse to speak ebonics like myself who also laugh at people who play rap music as loud as they possibly can from their cars are dubbed "haters". I personally don't see anything wrong with wanting to preserve my hearing and I don't see anything wrong with speaking the English language the way it was intended to be spoken... but I guess that makes me a "hater". I can live with that. ~shrug~ When I go out with my boyfriend, who is almost seven feet tall, people stare at the both of us and whisper about us behind our backs... because of our size. People don't realize what that does to a person's self esteem... they don't realize the damage it does... especially to him...
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Post by lois on Oct 11, 2011 23:20:32 GMT -6
Jo, you put the great spirit among all the others . I like that... I always tell my husband.. American Indians did not need a bible to under stand spirituality.. It comes from within.. And we called them Savages.. They lived so close to nature and things given us from above. They never understood how you own a piece of land . They did have wars among themselves before the white man arrived. I never understood all the reasons for it.. The Illinois American Indian were wash out by another tribe. There you go.. wonder what mind betowed that name on them? I know the ten tribes of Isreal.. I guess if one moves from place to place you are considered a tribe. I just never liked that word..I guess I was told I was one of the Baker tribe by others as a child so much.. lol
I liked your post.. never hit reply to put smiley and I never want to start over.. One day I will get it right..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 10:04:40 GMT -6
Lorelei..they are probably saying that the two of you could create the next best basketball team...that is what I'd be saying if I saw you guys walking down the street Or I'd be saying I envy that woman..looking at my own dumpy 5'2 shadow. My point is sometimes whispering isn't negative...and you should be very proud of your amazonian stature ;D I do get your point about 'haters'. There are so many drive by's down here lately. So much fear and fear/hate in the world right now. We need to stop trying to run everyone else's country and concentrate on our problems at home. Lois I totally agree about the Indians..I can feel the energy of the places they have been around here. They left a good feeling on the land..we just destroy it. The purest feelings I've ever had have been around older Indian areas...not so much the modern variety. I think we need to 'embrace' the differences in each other..the individual characteristics. It's not important what we believe..but that we have the heart to believe
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Post by auntym on Dec 3, 2012 11:58:47 GMT -6
www.67notout.com/2012/12/the-ufo-which-brought-raelian-elohim-to.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+67notout%2FtRDb+%2867+Not+Out%29&utm_content=Google+Reader03 December, 2012 The UFO Which Brought The Raelian Elohim To Earth I've been looking at various religions and beliefs recently and re-discovered the Raelian Religion, which has a link with UFOs and aliens. I had read about this years ago but felt it too much like Erich von Daniken's early works at that time. So what is the Raelian's slant on religion? It was founded by Claude Vorilhon a French journalist who claims to have encountered a UFO in 1973. The UFO landed and he was told by the occupant that they had come to see him. He was taken aboard the craft for six days and messages were dictated to him. These explained how the Genesis in the Bible is an account of how the Elohim created life on Earth. Artists impression of Elohim and UFO as seen by Claude Vorilhon Elohim means 'those who came from the sky' but was wrongly translated as God. Elohim is a plural and therefore refers to a multiplicity of extraterrestrial beings. In Genesis 1:26 it states 'Let us make man in our image and likeness'. The important word here being 'our'. The Elohim divided the 'waters from the waters' with explosions thus creating the first continent. On this they created the animals, vegetation and other life forms. Finally they made man (initially an artificial life form) with use of their advanced knowledge of DNA. One group of the extraterrestrial creators, called Nephilim in the Bible engaged is sexual relationships with the humans and produced a race of people with superior intelligence. Jesus was created by Mary having sexual union with one of the Elohim. All well and good and in some ways strangely believable but what is Claude Vorilhon's role in all of this. He is known as Rael to his followers and it's his job to prepare humanity for the arrival of the Elohim on earth. It seems they will come in peace but must be received voluntarily by the human race. So a familiar theme here. The Elohim purpose for coming to Earth will be to establish a new world government. CONTINUE READING: www.67notout.com/2012/12/the-ufo-which-brought-raelian-elohim-to.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+67notout%2FtRDb+%2867+Not+Out%29&utm_content=Google+Reader[/color]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 14:23:07 GMT -6
swell...more religion...for people to make war over. I am of the opinion (not that I am opinionated ;D ) that people should believe deeply in whatever brings them joy or feels right to them...just don't make it a religion because then we get into trouble
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 29, 2012 20:17:00 GMT -6
I like the story line, and it gives a good bit of explanation to the Bible's version or lack there of for certain events. But after doing some research you will find that the man who wrote the book who goes by the name Rael, seems to have stolen his info from a man who wrote very very similar things in an earlier published book and with much more details. This man is Jean Sendy. His books and the words of Rael are almost verbatim in terms of the Bible history etc. So I think Rael is just a hoaxer lookin to make a profit from pretending to be a prophet. Actually, if memory serves me well, he was arrested and accused of improper use of their funds recently AND has started a rumor of baby cloning that got him looked at hard by our official agencies... But like I said, I like the story line and the explanations for teh incomplete stories of the Bible. Many of them I have always thought the same way as what is offered as the whole story. Perhaps better to read Sendy's books. He doesn't claim to be a prophet and has no interested in forming a cult religion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 0:56:10 GMT -6
Well, both Bewildered and I feel that we have met the elohim, and that is not what they look like ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 12:21:39 GMT -6
just wanted to add, that this website is full of information. From famous coincedences, to the goats clop,clop,clopping into the trees! ;D
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Post by bewildered on Oct 13, 2013 5:08:36 GMT -6
Well, both Bewildered and I feel that we have met the elohim, and that is not what they look like ;D Heh, I just noticed this. Quite right, jc.
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Post by auntym on Apr 11, 2018 16:55:24 GMT -6
mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/04/thanks-to-sci-fi-belief-in-aliens-may-replace-belief-in-gods/ Thanks to Sci-Fi, Belief in Aliens May Replace Belief in Godsby Brett Tingley / mysteriousuniverse.org/author/bbtingley/April 9, 2018 Aliens may someday take the place of the gods in the human collective consciousness. At least, that’s according to new research presented by Dr. Diana Pasulka at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. Pasulka conducted a six-year study in which she travelled around the country speaking with scientists, Silicon Valley tech gurus, professionals, entrepreneurs, and other Very Important People who admit to believing in extraterrestrial intelligence. Pasulka’s study reveals that not only is belief in extraterrestrial intelligence widespread and found in nearly all strata of society, but it has also approached levels rivaling modern rates of belief in deities. There’s a reason heaven is usually depicted as being in the sky.According to a recent presentation Pasulka gave under the title The Incarnational Technological Self: The Case of the Crashed UFO Artifact, this widespread belief in aliens stems from a variety of cultural factors and scientific endeavors: Widespread belief in aliens is due to a number of factors including their ubiquity in modern media like The X-Files, which can influence memory, and the realist effect produced by the search for planets that might support life, as well as alleged alien artifacts that have recently made news in outlets such as the New York Times. In her new book American Cosmic, Pasulka claims that science fiction and other pop culture texts have become a means of answering questions formerly answered by religion. Through her research, Pasulka found that more than half of U.S. adults and more than 75% of young Americans believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life. Compare that to recent surveys by the Pew Research Center which have found that only around 68% of Americans are absolutely certain in their belief in God, and it’s clear to see that something is happening here. But we don’t know what it is yet, do we? More importantly, will the symbol be a big-eyed grey alien head, or a flying saucer?It makes total sense that advanced extraterrestrial aliens could take the place of gods in our mythologies. The similarities are many: both are omniscient beings who (mostly) live in the cosmic heavens and who are capable of near-magical abilities. Couple those with the mounting evidence that life likely began in space, and it’s safe to say that perhaps Scientology is only the beginning of what could be a wave of new religions which venerate alien beings as opposed to flying spaghetti monsters. Any potential discoveries of alien life will certainly lead to the creation of alien-worshipping religions, an idea which pops up in science fiction regularly. Is Earth ready for discovery, or will it lead to renewed clashes between and among the religious? mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/04/thanks-to-sci-fi-belief-in-aliens-may-replace-belief-in-gods/
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Post by jcurio on Apr 12, 2018 12:04:11 GMT -6
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Post by jcurio on Apr 12, 2018 12:12:47 GMT -6
I recognize the name of this researcher. Maybe just the last name? If I’m correct, (which for some reason I don’t want to verify?), then the “name” is “familiar” because of J. Vallee. And Keel. 😊
Anyway, it appears that her research is thorough and respected. 🙂
(It really IS a small world 😉). ____________
and I somehow have a good memory for names in print. Now if only I could recall the names of people I meet..... 🙄🤭😖
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Post by auntym on May 12, 2018 15:33:33 GMT -6
mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/05/ufo-religions-back-in-the-news/ UFO Religions Back in the Newsby Paul Seaburn / mysteriousuniverse.org/author/paulseaburn/ May 12, 2018 While the big three major world religions get all of the publicity, there are plenty of other spiritual collectives between them and atheism. One group that attracts a lot of paranormal fans are the UFO religions whose members subscribe to the existence of extraterrestrials traveling to Earth in unidentified flying objects, often to take part in the evolution of humanity. Two such groups coincidentally popped up in the news recently, proving that they’re not as obscure as some might think (or hope). A hearing was held in Boston this week in the case of Olga Paule Perrier-Bilbo, a French national who wants to become an American citizen … except for the part about taking an oath of citizenship that ends with the words “So help me God.” Perrier-Bilbo’s objection comes from her membership in the Raëlian movement, which is a UFO religion founded in 1974 by French car racing journalist Claude Vorilhon, who changed his name to Raël after being contacted by an ET in a spacecraft who claimed to have selected him to deliver a new origin message to humanity and start a religion based on it. In his first book, Le Livre qui dit la vérité (“The Book Which Tells the Truth“), Vorilhon says the alien’s species sent scientists called Elohim (“those who came from the sky”) who created all life on Earth through DNA manipulation. The alien, also an Elohim, took Vorilhon or Raël to their planet where he allegedly met Buddha, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, who told him to be more like the aliens, who were peace-loving and had no money, sickness or wars. Raël’s followers support human genetic engineering, genetically-modified foods and other futuristic technology. Perrier-Bilbo just wants to be a good Raëlian-American and she was given the opportunity to take a modified oath in a private ceremony, but in this litigious, political and social media world, that wasn’t enough. “My hope is for the phrase, ‘So help me God’ to be stricken from future naturalization ceremonies and for this lawsuit to encourage other atheists or agnostics who want to defend the constitution to fight against this anti-constitutional oath.” As of this writing, the results of the hearing are not known. Meanwhile, members of the Aetherius Society announced its “Operation Prayer Power” pilgrimage in July to Holdstone Down in north Devon, England, where its founder, George King, claimed to have met Jesus in 1958 and received some shocking news: “I knew, although he didn’t tell me, I knew he was Jesus and he had come from the planet Venus – I didn’t have to be told, I just knew this.” King was apparently chosen for this meeting because in 1955 he founded the Aetherius Society after claiming he received a telepathic communication from Aetherius, an alien intelligence representing an “Interplanetary Parliament” that existed on Venus, as well as Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. King, who died in 1997, was said to have delivered more telepathic messages with predictions of UFO sightings. The religion itself borrows from yoga, Eastern mantra and New Age and promotes spiritual self-advancement and world service. Not a bad mission. Another benefit for Aetherians is that Holdstone Down isn’t the only “holy mountain.” Besides Yes Tor, also in Devon, there’s Castle Peak in Colorado, Mount Ramshead in New South Wales, Kilimanjaro in Tanzania and Le Nid d’Aigle in France. If you’re going to make a pilgrimage, it’s nice to go to beautiful spots. Of course, no matter where they go, the “cosmic mission” of George King and the Aetherians always gets overshadowed by that “Jesus is from Venus” thing, which is why they were once again in the news. Will we ever be able to accept the beliefs of others and get along? mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/05/ufo-religions-back-in-the-news/
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