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Post by auntym on Jul 31, 2011 13:13:13 GMT -6
www.theufochronicles.com/Sunday, July 31, 2011 Real Cowboys and Aliens? |1865 - Trapper Reports Witnessing Crash of 'Compartmented Craft With Strange Hieroglyphics' ![](http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4376/798/400/Missouri%20Democrat-10-19-1865-Heading%20On%20Black.jpg) A STRANGE STORY-REMARKABLE DISCOVERYBy Missouri Democrat 10-19-1865 Mr. James Lumley, an old Rocky Mountain trapper, who has been stopping at the Everett House for several days, makes a most remarkable statement to us, and one which, if authenticated, will produce the greatest excitement in the scientific world. Mr. Lumley states that about the middle of last September, he was engaged in trapping in the mountains about seventy-five or one hundred miles above the Great Falls of the Upper Missouri, and in the neighborhood of what is known as Cadotte Pass. Just after sunset one evening, he beheld a bright luminous body in the heavens, which moved with great rapidity in an easterly direction. It was plainly visible for at least five seconds, when it suddenly separated into particles, resembling, as Mr. Lumley describes it, the bursting of a sky-rocket in the air. A few minutes later, he heard a heavy explosion, which jarred the earth very perceptibly, and this was shortly after followed by a rushing sound, like a tornado sweeping through the forest. A strong wind sprang up about the same time, but suddenly subsided. The air was also filled with a peculiar odor of a sulphurous character. These incidents would have made a slight impression on the mind of Mr. Lumley, but for the fact that on the ensuing day he discovered, at the distance of about two miles from his camping place, that, as far as he could see in either direction a path had been cut through the forest, several rods wide-giant trees uprooted or broken off near the ground- the tops of hills shaved off and the earth plowed up in many places. Great and widespread havoc was everywhere visible. Following up this track of desolation, he soon ascertained the cause of it in the shape of an immense stone driven into the side of a mountain. An examination of this stone, or so much of it as was visible, showed that it was divided into compartments that in various places it was carved with curious hieroglyphics. More than this, Mr. Lumley also discovered fragments of a substance resembling glass, and here and there dark stains, as though caused by a liquid. He is confident that the hieroglyphics are the work of human hands, and that the stone itself, although but a fragment of an immense body, must have been used for some purpose by animated beings. Strange as this story appears, Mr. Lumley relates it with so much sincerity that we are forced to accept it as true. It is evident that the stone which he discovered, was a fragment of the meteor which was visible in this section in September last. It will be remembered that it was seen in Leavenworth, Galena and in this city by Col. Bonneville. At Leavenworth it was seen to separate into particles or explode. CONTINUE READING: www.theufochronicles.com/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2011 11:00:25 GMT -6
The story appears to be legitimate although one man says the crash was in Montana and the trapper reported it in St. Louis. What I find most remarkable is that the trapper (described as an old mountain man) knows the word hieroglyphics ;D kenny.anomalyresponse.org/LUMLEY.htm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2011 12:18:38 GMT -6
The story appears to be legitimate although one man says the crash was in Montana and the trapper reported it in St. Louis. What I find most remarkable is that the trapper (described as an old mountain man) knows the word hieroglyphics ;D kenny.anomalyresponse.org/LUMLEY.htmHe must have been reading articles in the newspapers about the (then) new discoveries in Ancient Egypt.
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Post by skywalker on Aug 1, 2011 17:57:49 GMT -6
It could also be a hoax. Newspapers back then were notorious for making up stories just to fill empty space. That one sounds like something somebody could have made up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2011 18:36:25 GMT -6
I'm just wondering how many trappers could read let alone find a paper to read up on hieroglyphics. I'm thinking you have the ball on this one Sky. I think hoaxes started pretty early on ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by skywalker on Aug 1, 2011 18:45:53 GMT -6
I read through a lot of old newspapers when I am doing research. They made up some crazy stories way back then. Of course they also make up some crazy stories nowadays too. I don't put much faith in the news anymore. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by lois on Aug 1, 2011 20:44:13 GMT -6
Interesting he mention sulphurous.. that is what I believe he should of smelled. How did he know then? What witnesses today would mention in abduction cases.. sulphurous? I for one have smelled it ever since, but their is no reason for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2011 22:07:55 GMT -6
I have no idea..I'm just thinking it doesn't fit with my idea of a trapper. It would have made more sense if they quoted him as saying it had funny markings like chicken scratches and it smelled like rotten eggs. That's more in keeping with my idea of a mountain man. ;D
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Post by lois on Aug 1, 2011 23:20:34 GMT -6
Well all the mountain men movies I have seen I agree with Jo. Old prospectors looking for gold or maybe up there for hunting. If the man even existed in the first place. Can one verify an old newspaper article? It states the upper Missouri. Not state but river. Maybe Missouri may of been where he reported it..Many in those days left family behind to go search for a dream that never was found.
My Great Grandfather died in the California Gold Rush. he left his family here in Ilinois never to see them again. He had eight children.. He got some kind of fever after finding gold with a friend, but the friend made all claims to it. And his wife and children had to find other hard means to survive. His daughter was my grandma..
He was a very smart man who built his dairy farm up and was a pioneer for his county. Did many things in his life worth while. So why did he leave. Why did any of them ? This is how I picture the man in the News article..
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Post by auntym on Aug 2, 2011 11:32:37 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 12:53:23 GMT -6
She was a cowboy??
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Post by auntym on Aug 3, 2011 12:25:09 GMT -6
www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/cowboys-aliens-movie-twists-true-history-of-ufos-and-ets-the-old-west#ixzz1TtiQocFt Cowboys & Aliens movie distorts true history of UFOs and ETs in the Old WestAlfred Lambremont Webre Seattle Exopolitics Examiner July 31, 2011 “Cowboys & Aliens,” a genre hybrid blockbuster motion picture that opened at theatres July 29, 2011, bases its plot on an inaccurate distortion of the solid history of UFO sightings and interactions with Extraterrestrial Biological Entities (EBEs) by the good folk of the Old West. Director Jon Favreau at a Comic Con panel on the Cowboys & Aliens movie said, “Aliens are kind of the last pure evil enemy in a movie that people can go up against without having to really worry about political correctness.” This cartoon-character view of Exopolitics (the science of relations among intelligent civilizations in the multiverse) has resulted in a cartoonish depiction of reptilian-like aliens, alien abductions, juvenile plot and special effects. In the opinion of this reporter, there should be public accountability on awarding a film project $150 million to make an Exopolitical hash that bears no relationship to UFO and ET reality in the Old West. A new book, "The Real Cowboys and Aliens: UFO Encounters of the Old West" by Texas UFO researcher Noe Torres and New Mexico historian John LeMay, examines fourteen bizarre incidents, including the reported recovery in 1897 of a spaceship and its alien pilot in the Texas frontier town of Aurora. The Real Cowboys and Aliens – The True UFO/ET history of the Old WestNoe Torres and John LeMay’ publisher writes that “’Cowboys meeting aliens seems to be a theme strictly for comic books and blockbuster movies,’ LeMay said. ‘But in reality, there exist many newspaper and magazine accounts from the 1800s telling of strange sightings and encounters from America’s cowboy era.’ “[Mr.] Torres, a state section director for the Mutual UFO network (MUFON), said, ‘What is especially interesting about these historic UFO sightings is that they took place before airplanes were invented and before flight of any kind was common. Although hot air balloons had been around since the 1700s, it was closer to 1900 before balloon airships became widely known.’ Torres has written three books about historic UFO cases, "Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash" (2007), "The Other Roswell: UFO Crash on the Texas-Mexico Border" (2008), and "Ultimate Guide to the Roswell UFO Crash" (2010). “’It seems likely that UFOs were quite common in the 1800s,’ [Mr.] Torres said, ‘We have found hundreds of newspaper and magazine accounts about people seeing strange objects and lights in the sky. We have also found articles that mention face-to-face encounters with creatures that seemed human but were clearly not.’ “According to [Messrs.] Torres and LeMay, because airplanes and spaceships were unknown concepts in the 1800s, people who saw strange things in the sky usually described them by comparing them to known objects like ‘cigars’ and ‘balloons.’ The term ‘flying saucer’ was not widely used until the 1940s, although ‘The Real Cowboys & Aliens’ includes an account of an 1878 UFO sighting by a Texas farmer who described what he saw as a ‘large saucer.’ “Since this was long before the era of jet planes and spacecraft, the cowboys and farmers of the 1800s often struggled to put into words what they had witnessed, Torres and LeMay said. Unless a UFO slowed down enough to where they could observe it carefully, most of the Old West residents probably didn’t take much notice. Vapor trails in the daytime and streaks of light at night likely did not make much of an impression on these hardened pioneers. These sights were just part of the “signs and wonders” that often appeared in the heavens. "’The Real Cowboys & Aliens’ opens with an eyewitness amazing account of an 1864 UFO crash in the Rocky Mountains, as told to a Cincinnati newspaper by Montana fur trapper James Lumley. The incident is one of the earliest reported sightings of a seemingly artificial object crashing down to Earth. According to [Messrs.] Torres and LeMay, after examining the crash site, Lumley was convinced the object was highly unusual. “It was soon clear that the object was not a fallen meteor. Lumley claimed that it was ‘divided into compartments’ and parts of it had been ‘carved’ with hieroglyphics, similar to the writings of ancient Egypt.’ CONTINUE READING: www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/cowboys-aliens-movie-twists-true-history-of-ufos-and-ets-the-old-west#ixzz1TtiQocFt
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 12:37:20 GMT -6
Maybe a cow-girl? ;D A cow-person? ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 17:52:21 GMT -6
Cow entity? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Of course it 'distorts' what might have happened and who the devil knows what might have happened ..it's all speculation. Does anyone suppose that Spielburg wouldn't be out to make movies for profit??? Or do people really think Independence day was real? It would be dull as dishwater if some imagination were not used and in no way does he contend that this ever happened ...it is science fiction. And for that matter unless someone does have a time machine..no one knows what might have happened betwixt cowboys and aliens. OR Romans and aliens OR knights and aliens OR>..........(insert historical figure here) and aliens. The maddening part about UFO lore is that so far..it's UFO lore. Ooooooh lets collaborate and make a movie about King Arthur and aliens. Aliens of the round table? King Arthur was a hybrid? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Camelot in the Pleiades?
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Post by casper on Aug 3, 2011 19:58:00 GMT -6
I watched that movie. i thought it was good. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Of course it wasn't realistic though. How could it be? Was somebody who got adbucted back in the cowboy days alive to tell the movie people how to make it? I don't think so. I've never seen any movie about anything thatw as completely realistic. that's why they call them movies and not real life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 10:09:02 GMT -6
YAY Casper! I always figured it was for entertainment value but there seem to be those who figure someone's trying to say that it happened. I still kind of like the idea of King Arthurian aliens ;D
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Post by skywalker on Aug 4, 2011 21:40:31 GMT -6
I'm sure somebody will get to it sooner or later. Aliens of the Round Table, Aliens of the Carribean, Jurassic Aliens...the floodgates are open now. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 3:35:23 GMT -6
oooo dinos and aliens..I like it ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by casper on Aug 5, 2011 20:25:04 GMT -6
YAY Casper! I always figured it was for entertainment value but there seem to be those who figure someone's trying to say that it happened. I still kind of like the idea of King Arthurian aliens ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 15:50:50 GMT -6
"Of course it wasn't realistic though. How could it be? Was somebody who got adbucted back in the cowboy days alive to tell the movie people how to make it? I don't think so. I've never seen any movie about anything thatw as completely realistic. " Hi casper. I thought the movie "Avatar" was completely realistic ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Only if it was about the future ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . I believe that people "see" things that are not currently present (like the 1800's) through a "spiritual" means; including dream states. I can't explain these things "given" to us, as opposed to our imaginations, until someone sees exactly what I see. And lets not get into theories of time perceptions, please. The movie "Ghost" with Patrick S. and Demi did "it" for me. When those dark creatures transform from ordinary shadows into something that takes away a bad person who just died, ? shudder. I guess I could've been angry. I didn't get any credit for telling them how to depict those creatures! P.S. Someone has to do "Cowboys and Robots" before moving on to Arthur ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by auntym on Jan 19, 2020 15:09:52 GMT -6
www.ufoinsight.com/ufo-encounters-wild-west-real/ UFO Encounters In The Wild West Were Very Real! October 5th, 2019 Written by: Marcus Lowth If you have seen the film, Cowboys and Aliens then the idea of spacecraft in the Wild West will not be so, well, alien to you. Although the film, as enjoyable as it is, is one-hundred percent fiction, there are numerous accounts of UFO and alien encounters in the tentative years of the United States. Although most people credit the term “flying saucer” with an account given by Kenneth Arnold in 1947 for example, in 1878 in Denison, Texas, farmer John Martin witnessed a strange object flying over his land and made a report to Denison Daily News on 25th January 1878. While out hunting, Martin noticed a dark object in the sky. The strange shape and the speed with which the object appeared to be moving captivated him. He took his eyes off it for a second in order to refocus his gaze. When he locked on it again, it was almost overhead. It was described by Martin as a “large saucer” and although now clear in his vision was still obviously at a great height. ![](https://www.ufoinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/wild-west-ufo-700x409.jpg) Wild West buildings with UFO flying over. Martin could only compare the object to a (hot air) balloon but accepted that it moved much too fast for this to realistically be the case. The Denison Daily News ended their article on the sighting by John Martin by concluding that the event “deserves the attention of our scientists!” Martin’s report is just one of many that were made and documented during the 1800s in the United States. Before we look at some of the more notable encounters though, check out a quick trailer of the aforementioned film by Universal, Cowboys and Aliens – much of the fiction was inspired by elements of the genuine reports made at the time. CONTINUE READING: www.ufoinsight.com/ufo-encounters-wild-west-real/
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