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Post by Steve on Sept 5, 2011 17:04:34 GMT -6
I can speculate, but prefer not to about Levengood. Seems in this story there has been too much speculation already. I have much respect for Levengood. So I will just prefer to say I do not know at this time. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 0:05:26 GMT -6
I appreciate each of your comments on these strange events. I wish I could just speculate on what seems like obvious silliness, and how someone could even report this happening, knowing how foolish they are bound to sound/look like.
In light of Steves recent communications with 'Han' (on another topic) and the comments about abductors and their fabrications, I ask that you don't entirely dismiss this case.
A samarai sword is exactly what started me on a more serious journey into tying together haphazard clues. I awoke terrified from a dream in which I "awoke" in the body of "someone else" who was holding a samarai sword in a battle stance over several dead bodies of "greys", just after killing them. This was before I owned a gun and when I was very much against war. Just when I had convinced myself it was only a dream, and also had no "secret meanings", my son woke up terrified from a dream in which the only event was him cutting off someones head with a samarai sword. (I didn't ask him if the someone was a grey).
Levengood is not a very common name. I'm thinking that when I first read his studies some years ago, he had done quite a bit of research on proving reincarnation with children as his test subjects. I believe he thought he had some physical evidence for that, which to me explains why he could possibly be looking for physical evidence in a case like this.
there I go; speculating
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Post by skywalker on Sept 8, 2011 0:33:14 GMT -6
We try to stay open-minded about things, Jc. Even if it may seem like silliness.
In this case it is not so much the sword that bothers me. I have several swords myself, along with a bunch of knives, axes, cannons, bows and arrows and all sorts of other things that can cause death and destruction, but whenever I need some type of a weapon it is always a gun that I reach for. I seriously doubt that it would help against an alien though. Personal experience has taught me they are not that easy to kill. If they were then every abductee in Texas would have a big gray head stuffed and mounted on their wall.
The dudes story just sounds too much like fantasy and bravado to me...like he is making it up. That's just my gut feeling about it. I am interested in finding out what this Levengood dude found out about the samples that he supposedly analyzed. If there was anything true about the story the evidence would be there. Bigelow can't buy it all up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 0:53:07 GMT -6
Your opinion means a lot to me, Sky!
That's my point, the fantasy! If it was all about me, was I fantasizing about killing greys? Why the sword? Was Richard Chamberlain in "Shogun" my hero? (chuckle).
Steve sounds pretty definite about the greys being mortal beings and capable of "accidents". Whether Mr. Edmonds was having a dream-sequence in the middle of something real, or flat making it up, we might not know for a long time.
Isn't that what "they" do to us? Just when we think we are experiencing something with validity, that someone might believe, our "friends" throw in a glitch that makes our mouth just snap shut?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 2:21:42 GMT -6
JC... yes... that's a good thought.
The greys do seem to be able to generate "screen memories" as people call them.
I have a memory of a really strange late-night walk in the woods when I was 22 in the dark about being followed for two miles by a strange, (and eerily silent) dog with a big thick chain around his neck jingling behind me as I walked. Every time I turned around he would stop, immediately sit, and stare at me. I suspect that was a "screen memory".
Who knows... ~shrug~
But if it was a facade, or a screen memory, he would not have had physical evidence on the sword...
@sky's comment about mounted grey heads in Texas: ;D ;D ;D Same here. Us Alaskans would have that too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 7:20:49 GMT -6
What IS that old saying...."Garbage in.....garbage out" I think it is.. Jawohl meine Freundin! [Yessirre my (female) friend!] Steve: Good luck with your session. I'm looking forward to reading about it. As far as the paralysis thing goes... they do seem to be able to affect everything except the eyes. During MY encounter... I could move my eyes around, and I was able to control my breathing consciously as well. I noticed I was breathing loudly (of course I was in a panicked adrenaline state... couldn't do anything about it though...) and, in a vain attempt to keep the entities from noticing me (hah... silly me I thought they didn't know I was there... ) I tried to breathe quieter and slower and it worked... until the one turned over and looked at me of course. I remember that vividly... because that was the ONLY thing I could do... so I did it. The last few times I've had sleep paralysis though... my eyes were frozen shut... which is really unusual considering the other episodes I have had prior to this past year. Maybe they sense and are aware of my fear since I've been thinking and reading about it and they don't want me to have a heart attack... ~shrug~ Sky: ~hugz~ When my encounter had just begun I was awakened by a sensation of floating in the air. I remembered trying and struggling to open my eyes fighting against a resistance that tried to keep them shut but I was determined to see what was in my home regardless and didnt give up. I remember the first thing I saw and it was those eyes and that face. I also remember the other two walking back to the first bedroom on the left down the hall. In this encounter I was finally able to open my eyes but it took everything in me to open them . I remember being determined and not giving up, it was quite the struggle .The feeling of paralysis is a helpless one, especially when you suspect your family is in danger and theres nothing you can do.The only option in this case was to telepathically warn it not to harm them. I dont know how this guy was able to do all this but I guess its possible. Maybe he discovered a flaw or weak point within these beings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 7:33:28 GMT -6
JCURIO WROTE : Steve sounds pretty definite about the greys being mortal beings and capable of "accidents". Whether Mr. Edmonds was having a dream-sequence in the middle of something real, or flat making it up, we might not know for a long time.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I also believe that these are mortal beings too. Ive heard opinions of some who suggest these grays are bio-mechanical, I dont agree on that part . I remember now how it felt when that cold clammy hand touched me on the side of the face. I also know that it was aware of my concern for my family and made an attempt to comfort me. It also possessed the ability to read my mind and communicate with me and to retract memories of my entire life in no time flat. The one doing the "procedure" on me appeared older than the others too which gave me the impression that they do age .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 12:31:52 GMT -6
When my encounter had just begun I was awakened by a sensation of floating in the air. I remembered trying and struggling to open my eyes fighting against a resistance that tried to keep them shut but I was determined to see what was in my home regardless and didn't give up. Wow. Maybe I'm weak-minded then compared to you. Last time I couldn't open my eyes at ALL... Geez... that's a scary thing to wake up to!!! I saw them standing far away from me first... then later on I saw the face right up in front of me... they seem to like doing that to people... getting up "in your grill". The only thing I could do was panic... lol... panic and hope they didn't notice me... Or maybe his mind is stronger than our minds... who knows... ~shrug~
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Post by skywalker on Sept 9, 2011 14:15:38 GMT -6
Your opinion means a lot to me, Sky! That's my point, the fantasy! If it was all about me, was I fantasizing about killing greys? Why the sword? Was Richard Chamberlain in "Shogun" my hero? (chuckle). Steve sounds pretty definite about the greys being mortal beings and capable of "accidents". Whether Mr. Edmonds was having a dream-sequence in the middle of something real, or flat making it up, we might not know for a long time. Isn't that what "they" do to us? Just when we think we are experiencing something with validity, that someone might believe, our "friends" throw in a glitch that makes our mouth just snap shut? What do you think your "dream" was, Jcurio? Do you think it was just a dream, an out of body experience, premonition of the future...? It's interesting that your son would have a similar dream. Did you tell him about yours?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 14:30:51 GMT -6
I think that the grey's have weaknesses, but probably not as we do. I still have it in my head that the ones who Shanghai'd my friend and I were constructed beings..grown in someone's lab...or hatched or attached to some alien womb by means other than a naval because they had none nor genitalia where mankind keeps theirs nor nipples. Smooth, naked, rubberyish skin, no hair and no clothes (unless they wore one piece suits head to toe)..no bumps of any kind that I saw ..surreal..you can't get comfortable with something that looks human in outline and then takes a sharp decline into weird. For all of that they didn't seem to have any visible bodily defense other than very strong mental ability, which in defense against humans..is probably enough to keep them relatively safe. IMO
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Post by skywalker on Sept 9, 2011 20:10:14 GMT -6
After abducting people and studying people for as long as they have I am sure they probably have a pretty good idea what our strengths and weaknesses are. They have probably also analyzed our weapons, from the smallest knives to the biggest nukes. I doubt they would allow themselves to be caught off guard by some crazy guy with a sword. I do agree that they do make mistakes though. There have been plenty of stories related about them putting people's clothes back on inside out, returning people to the wrong cars (or horses), and generally doing some pretty boneheaded things...kind of like the alien version of the Three Stooges. Allowing some human to get the better of them though is pretty hard to imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 9:21:46 GMT -6
Yes, sometimes simple function seems to thwart them, or like some people doing a boring job..they get sloppy or rushed. I agree, they do have flaws but I don't think self preservation would be one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 10:48:20 GMT -6
Self preservation shouldn't be a flaw . But I'm thinking along the lines of the "worker" type of gray is fairly replaceable. And supposedly "they" are emotionless creatures. How about thinking HOW can they be killed? What I mean, to my mind, is comparable to "zombies". If zombies exist, how do you kill them, they are already dead. So, not how do you kill them, but how do you stop them?? And yes, without a frame of reference, I related my dreams of gray, emotionless "people", to some version of gray, emotionless zombie monster. That keeps coming. In answer to your questions Skywalker: I did tell my son about my dream. I think you have a dream section so I will go into "dreams" there later. This dream I had involving the samurai sword was a dream. A dream tailored for me to give me "clues". I am a peace-loving, peace-filled type of person (regardless!) so my horror was that I could kill. I felt that I was supposed to become stronger both personally and physically, and that these creatures COULD be killed. Not necessarily by a samurai sword . I feel that the samurai sword is a "clue" of where to search for wisdom in this endeavor. Ancient, Asian wisdom. An Asian warrior should take training in both the physical and the mental. This Edmonds case has a lot of holes. For starters, if he actually had tissue samples, why didn't the grays just send a clean up crew immediately afterward? (of course I could think the same about Roswell ) IMO, we've got to quit thinking of these things as "superior". Time and time again we seem to be reminded that WE are not just for their amusement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 17:29:15 GMT -6
I just figure the guy's not telling the truth and that the Samurai sword slaying is a joke..ha ha.
I don't have any desire to kill anything but preventing them from using humans for lab experiments would be a good thing. It's likely not something they concern themselves with, but the effects of encountering them under those circumstances are pretty lasting and I'll be willing to bet there are more than a few encounter victims in institutions probably still wearing foil hats and trying to convince self righteous therapists that 'they're here'. IMO
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Post by rottijohn on Oct 28, 2014 13:12:46 GMT -6
Very disturbing rumors flying about. I have been following the bizarre accounts circulating about this story about John Edmond. Robert Bigelow's men have decended upon interviewing John Edmond at his Arizona ranch reportedly - my source told it was more an 'interrogation' - related to John Edmonds story of attacking one of several gray aliens that have been making visits to Edmond's Arizona Ranch. Edmonds reportedly attacked one gray (seems difficult to imagine based on numerous abduction accounts) with a samurai sword no less, the three entities according to Edmond once one of their own was severely injured, quickly dematerialized in front of him. Edmond's told my source there was blood or body fluids all over the floor, the walls, Edmond's pants, along with tissue from the stricken gray. Bigelow's people once again arriving before anyone else - (or Mufon led Bigelow there) stayed on Edmonds ranch for three days. Edmond even spoke with Bigelow himself over the phone several times, retelling the incredible story looking for inconsistencies. Edmonds reportedly has now passed a lie detector test. Bigelows men demanded Edmonds sign an agreement to gag his story, which it was reported Edmonds refused to sign, only signing a lesser document that his testimony was true. The report below states the samples were transported to Levengood for analysis. Edmonds has since reported Levengood has not returned his phone calls since - Bigelow again? How does one get the chance to attack a gray, assuming it is true? Nothing is ever mentioned about any possible bio-hazards here either? Could the planet be exposed to something it is not equipped to handle medically? Anyone know more about this bizarre one? Are other investigators descending on Edmond's Ranch? Steve www.ufodigest.com/article/alien-tissue-and-fluid-samples-preliminary-report-i-updateGiven the threats, we decided to go forward with this material Alien Tissue & Fluid Samples Analyzed by a W.C. Levengood and Amanda N. Nimke By Robert M. Collins Samples purported to be alien extraterrestrial tissue and fluid samples were shipped from a ranch near Phoenix, Arizona where bizarre incidents have taken place over many weeks, months and years, culminating in a number of extraterrestrial entities being stabbed, wounded or killed in the ranch house by its owner, John Edmonds, who wrote: "...wiped up the blood/Fluid and tissue of the Gray I nearly split in two parts with an exceptionally well sharpened Samurai sword. After hand to hand combat with these little parasites. We have plenty of evidence to prove it, gathered over many years." This gave plenty of fluid and tissue samples to work with. In summary, blood found The sample appears to be pure hemoglobin like that found at the Cattle Mutilation sites with what appears to be segment rods in the blood, never seen anything like it. ---Levengood Skin? Looks like segmented grass except it's not grass Levengood said, see attachment 2. Details/data and analysis Numerous samples have been collected under correct forensic technique by several skilled investigators and were sent to independent labs of high regard. All came back with the same result that the proteins in the samples could not be identified as anything they had seen before either plant or animal or human. One lab did add that the samples sent to them did match the samples they had tested over the last 30 years of fluid specimens they had tested from various cattle mutilations across the South West US. They believed that there was a 100% compatibility that the two were from the same creature(s). Finally a smoking Gun that absolutely links cattle mutilations to alien life forms. One scientist was extremely elated by the discovery! The important significance of these fluid matches is that according to W.C. Levengood, the fact that they matched so well was proof that indeed they were both extraterrestrial as the samples match nothing from the animal or plant kingdoms on Earth. However, as said above, the samples match the samples from mutilated cattle sites, and that would in Levengood's words show a correlation between aliens, cattle mutilations, and the obvious hostile intent of the Gray Aliens. "You have the smoking gun. This is proof of alien life visiting Earth and links the phenomenon together positively!" These were Levengood's words! Robert Bigelow and his agency spent close to a month studying the ranch and the events here and my wife and I under went extensive interviewing, video taping, and analysis by ex FBI and CIA investigators. Everyone involved has had a consensus that the events here are real, accurate in nature, and have not been publicly released due to my desire to avoid a deluge of publicity which will neither further the investigation nor heighten the hard science approach to an unexplained phenomena that deserves the respect of remaining a discussion between professionals. Further details/data .C. Levengood 06-30-011: He said he is not going to write a report at this time, but he was very excited about the samples sent which contained tiny segmented fibers. These were not cloth. This is what was in the photomicrographs he sent. Levengood explained blood as we know it does not contain segmented fibers. This made the sample highly unusual. He also explained normal antibodies that are positive or negative determine the type of blood which is something totally different. It is very peculiar because "the cell parts look like joint grass, but are not grass." He has not written a report as stated above, but he did mail the photomicrographs, which are photographs taken through a microscope, attachment 2. Levengood said the material did not look like human skin. "It was weird," he said. When asked why he didn't send the tissue out for DNA testing, he said there wasn't enough material and it was very expensive and to do so. Papers by W.C. Levengood: www.iccra.org/levengood/allotherpub.htm
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Post by rottijohn on Oct 28, 2014 13:30:20 GMT -6
I can speculate, but prefer not to about Levengood. Seems in this story there has been too much speculation already. I have much respect for Levengood. So I will just prefer to say I do not know at this time. Steve Anybody who would like answers to their questions on the Edmonds ranch incident may do so by contacting John Edmonds directly at rottijohn411@msn.com I assure you the incidents did occur, we had direct proof, including some photos and video of the objects seen in the south sky of over the ranch, and that several other paranormal investigators such as Derrel Sims visited with us, and conducted complex interviews and took video and photos as well as followed up with Dr. Levingood before his death. Yes I appeared on Coast to Coast, but not as part of the story mentioned in the comments here.
Please understand that the entire experience was a situation where rancher and his wife had to do the very best they could with no prior knowledge or the UFO/paranormal and had to utilize the contacts gleaned from word of mouth through referrals from strangers. We did the best we could with what we had to work with. My wife and I are social workers and counselors as well as ranchers. We had no clue what we were trying to do besides stay alive and protect our ranch and animals. In retrospect after the fact we might of tried something differently, but we were so shocked by the experience we did what we could at the time with extremely limited know how and contacts. Robert Collins was our contact person to meet Dr. Levingood. I met Robert Collins through a radio program contact I had and requested his help. Bob went out of his way to help us and was both fair and quite rational about trying to provide the best scientific hypothesis and background info to help us understand what was happening to us.
I am willing to answer questions asked in good faith, and will answer honestly. I will not deal with hacks or those who have no manners and want to ridicule or mock us. This has been an ongoing experience and quite a night mare to live through. There is a lot more info including medical side effects to both my wife and I and quite a lot of detail not covered here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 17:42:17 GMT -6
Self preservation shouldn't be a flaw . But I'm thinking along the lines of the "worker" type of gray is fairly replaceable. And supposedly "they" are emotionless creatures. How about thinking HOW can they be killed? What I mean, to my mind, is comparable to "zombies". If zombies exist, how do you kill them, they are already dead. So, not how do you kill them, but how do you stop them?? And yes, without a frame of reference, I related my dreams of gray, emotionless "people", to some version of gray, emotionless zombie monster. That keeps coming. In answer to your questions Skywalker: I did tell my son about my dream. I think you have a dream section so I will go into "dreams" there later. This dream I had involving the samurai sword was a dream. A dream tailored for me to give me "clues". I am a peace-loving, peace-filled type of person (regardless!) so my horror was that I could kill. I felt that I was supposed to become stronger both personally and physically, and that these creatures COULD be killed. Not necessarily by a samurai sword . I feel that the samurai sword is a "clue" of where to search for wisdom in this endeavor. Ancient, Asian wisdom. An Asian warrior should take training in both the physical and the mental. This Edmonds case has a lot of holes. For starters, if he actually had tissue samples, why didn't the grays just send a clean up crew immediately afterward? (of course I could think the same about Roswell ) IMO, we've got to quit thinking of these things as "superior". Time and time again we seem to be reminded that WE are not just for their amusement. Obviously, I am a reluctant believer. I think, that it is even possible (at this point in my life), that at that moment, you could have killed "them" with anything used as a weapon, with the right intent. You somehow caught "them" at just the right moment. Of course part of their "game", is trying to make sure no one believes you. I am curious about your side effects. Here I am, some time later from this post, and I'm physically weak. I look strong, and work in the yard enough (by hand) to have female biceps and shapely calves, but I can't walk more than around the block a few times with my dog. If I get 12 hours of sleep, I can maybe work half a day around the house. And its weird. I have just the right kind of physical ailments to never be "at the top of my game". Am I some sort of threat? Worth keeping alive for some reason? Why are you still alive? Surely this thought has crossed your mind. Thank You for checking in here on TEOR. Thank you for taking the time to read some of our comments. I am devoted to this site. The "regulars" here don't lie. I am proud to be a part of this, and whatever you told me in a private email, I would ask to share with all. The statement already attributed to you, is that you would not be gagged. I wish, that you could find a way to share your story with us, without more repercussions. Those of us that have really dealt with this phenomenon, know that all kinds of unbelievable things have happened to us and others, that we care not to talk about. Or we just don't talk about, because we know how bizarre it sounds. Or we don't remember things when we try to. I must apologize for thinking W.C. Levengood was someone I read about who was studying reincarnation. I've done a lot of reading the past 7-10 years on the "paranormal", and I do get confused about other people. on that, I should keep my mouth shut . Derrel Sims is on this site, in a video, questioning an old friend (Patty) of some of the TEOR people, about some things that happened on her home near Lake Michigan. His presence comes across as "John waynish" or a mild "Clint Eastwood" (that talks and is capable of smiling), but I wouldn't hold that against him. An "act" doesn't always reveal someones true intention . I don't think Bigelow is as bad as talk. propaganda. and if you want to keep stuff from the "enemy", sometimes collecting it all seems like the best idea; trying to keep it from disappearing, you make it disappear yourself. Except we have found, that with this "stuff", its really better to have it distributed (including more people talking about it). It seems Levengood was 88 yrs. old when he died. I'm sorry; I still tend to think that the timing was just too good to be true. And as for the comments about him studying crop circles= wasn't it a foot doctor who first operated on a possible alien implant? They say I'm "right brained", but I guess I don't express my straightforward, logical mind enough. If these beings have all the power that people get focused on, and they are above being physical beings, are the implants just because we are physical beings? We try to stay skeptics, Sir. Bottom line for me, is if we quit talking about this, even if we don't find what 'they're" about or anything near that (in my lifetime), WHO will tell our children about this phenomenon? Will it be them, not as disclosure, but the same way they are operating now? Maybe, I get to remain "anonymous". I relise that choice was taken from you. Why? Maybe because someone thought, no matter how hard it would be, that you had a story to tell. hang in there. You can't ignore the bad, because it won't go away. Find a way to use it for some good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 17:45:49 GMT -6
I can speculate, but prefer not to about Levengood. Seems in this story there has been too much speculation already. I have much respect for Levengood. So I will just prefer to say I do not know at this time. Steve Anybody who would like answers to their questions on the Edmonds ranch incident may do so by contacting John Edmonds directly at rottijohn411@msn.com I assure you the incidents did occur, we had direct proof, including some photos and video of the objects seen in the south sky of over the ranch, and that several other paranormal investigators such as Derrel Sims visited with us, and conducted complex interviews and took video and photos as well as followed up with Dr. Levingood before his death. Yes I appeared on Coast to Coast, but not as part of the story mentioned in the comments here.
Please understand that the entire experience was a situation where rancher and his wife had to do the very best they could with no prior knowledge or the UFO/paranormal and had to utilize the contacts gleaned from word of mouth through referrals from strangers. We did the best we could with what we had to work with. My wife and I are social workers and counselors as well as ranchers. We had no clue what we were trying to do besides stay alive and protect our ranch and animals. In retrospect after the fact we might of tried something differently, but we were so shocked by the experience we did what we could at the time with extremely limited know how and contacts. Robert Collins was our contact person to meet Dr. Levingood. I met Robert Collins through a radio program contact I had and requested his help. Bob went out of his way to help us and was both fair and quite rational about trying to provide the best scientific hypothesis and background info to help us understand what was happening to us.
I am willing to answer questions asked in good faith, and will answer honestly. I will not deal with hacks or those who have no manners and want to ridicule or mock us. This has been an ongoing experience and quite a night mare to live through. There is a lot more info including medical side effects to both my wife and I and quite a lot of detail not covered here.
just worth requoting (and more, I hope).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 12:54:03 GMT -6
Curiouser, and curiouser.
The last couple days I've been trying to research this a bit, and there's not much more than what is already here, on this thread.
Including reference to "things" going on for several years, before this event.
The gentleman and his wife still seem to be continuing their ranch, which sounds very thoughtful, and on the up and up.
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