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Post by skywalker on Oct 30, 2012 6:43:26 GMT -6
Oswald's wife later told investigators about the incident. That's how they know it was him.
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Post by randy on Oct 30, 2012 23:46:50 GMT -6
I had not heard of the shooting at the General. I have done alot of target shooting since i was a kid and I know a good shot can hit the x ring with garden variety rifles but a carcano is an ox cart at a race track. for want of a better term.
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Post by skywalker on Oct 31, 2012 16:40:36 GMT -6
Oswald used to go to some railroad tracks to take target practice. Anybody can learn to shoot any gun if they practice enough. The reason he missed the general is because the dude was sitting in his house and Oswald fired the shot through the front window. The bullet was miraculously deflected by one of the wood window panes.
He also missed the first shot he fired at Kennedy. That one was supposedly deflected by a tree branch.
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Post by auntym on Jan 2, 2013 21:20:46 GMT -6
www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/02/group-says-dallas-infringed-on-first-amendment-right-for-not-issuing-jfk/?cmpid=prn_aol&icid=maing-grid7 Skeptics of JFK assassination official version say they're barred from 50th anniversary[/color] By Edmund DeMarche Published January 02, 2013 A Washington-based group that has long questioned the official version of John F. Kennedy's assassination says the city of Dallas is trampling its rights by barring it from Dealey Plaza for this year's 50th anniversary of the murder of the nation's 35th president. The Coalition on Political Assassinations has gathered every year since 1994 at the site where Kennedy was killed by a sniper on Nov. 22, 1963. The group typically observes a moment of silence and members often give speeches. But this year it was denied a permit, the group's director told FoxNews.com. "It's ironic that the city wants to celebrate JFK's life -- and not his death -- at the very place where he was assassinated," John Judge, the executive director of the group, said. "They are afraid of the thousands of people that will come to the site to commemorate his death and call for the truth." The annual gatherings were first loosely organized by journalist Penn Jones, who was one of the earliest skeptics of the official explanation of the assassination. Judge was a friend of Jones, who died in 1998. "When he died, I promised him I would keep the tradition going," Judge said. Although a federal commission studied the shooting and determined that Lee Harvey Oswald, a socialist drifter and former Marine, had acted alone, the assassination has long been the subject of conspiracy theories. Judge said his coalition, which focuses on killings ranging from the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., to recent drone attacks in the Middle East, has no single theory about how Kennedy was killed. But the group rejects the findings of the Warren Commission and does not believe Oswald, who was killed two days after the assassination, played any role in Kennedy's death. Regardless of who killed Kennedy, Judge believes his group has every right to mark the date at the site. "This is content-based denial of free speech in a public park," Judge wrote on his organization's website. "Dealey Plaza belongs to history and to the American people, especially on the 50th anniversary." CONTINUE READING: www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/02/group-says-dallas-infringed-on-first-amendment-right-for-not-issuing-jfk/?cmpid=prn_aol&icid=maing-grid7#ixzz2GsXK5aol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 22:23:45 GMT -6
Randy, recently you mentioned somewhere about a show you watched which has a hypnotist who selects around 100 or so people as candidates to participate in an experiment. I watched that and was blown away ! If I remember right the guy who ended up being selected was an officer or in corrections maybe ? This was a normal guy with no criminal background who was influenced by a hypnotist to assassinate an individual at his command. This has me thinking and NOT in a good way about the capabilities others possess to perform tasks they normally would never do. For me,,,it opens up doors to question how and why people would do some of the things they have done. Patty Hearst comes to mind as well as many more ,,,maybe even some recent ones influenced by who knows where who have a sinister agenda using subliminal messaging or the like ? In this day and age,,I can't help but let my mind roam a bit . And then there was Lee Harvey Oswald,,,,,, and ?
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Post by randy on Jan 4, 2013 0:53:20 GMT -6
If you really found out who killed Kennedy you would know too much and would cease to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 7:36:56 GMT -6
If you really found out who killed Kennedy you would know too much and would cease to exist. So, are you saying that ALL the people who really know, are now dead and gone?
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Post by skywalker on Jan 4, 2013 10:35:19 GMT -6
If not dead they are pretty close to it. The assassination was almost fifty years ago so whoever the assassins were are probably dead from old age by now. The people who planned and authorized it almost certainly are.
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Post by guiltygreer on May 5, 2013 14:36:15 GMT -6
The most relevant evidence in proving Greer the fatal assassin is tracking his left hand before, during, and after his shot. Greer's left hand left the wheel some time before frame 241 and didn't return until after the shot. He turns around the first time only after securing the gun and gaining back control of the limo with his right hand on the wheel. Both his hands were off the wheel for at least one second, something so incriminating that researchers either ignored or outright lied about. Notice how Greer does not turn back straight and speed off until after Jfk's shot. Had Bob Harris included these early frames, his goofy video would've been debunked/dead on upload. Greer simply passes the gun and then his left hand goes missing for less than 1.5 seconds. We then silly fake reflections that depict a cartoon of Greer shooting JFK. Greer's left shoulder does NOT rotate to the right in Zapruder but does so, clearly in both the Nix and Muchmore films. His left arm comes down after the shot, which directly contradicts the video effect (in Zapruder) that flickers about near and below the top of the door. In the last film, (Muchmore) note the headshot and then scan to the left and see Greer's left arm retracting, consistent with Nix. 1:09 jfk assassination films-orville nix - Video Dailymotion
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Post by guiltygreer on May 5, 2013 14:40:55 GMT -6
Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. " The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was two or three cars behind Jfk's, with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital. Royce Skelton's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses) jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm(Skelton was standing on the triple overpass) Mr. BALL - Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street? Mr. SKELTON - Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn. Mr. BALL - And did you hear something soon after that? Mr. SKELTON - Just about the same time the car straightened up - got around the corner - I heard two shots, but I didn't know at the time they were shots. Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from? Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was. Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing? Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement. Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement? Mr. SKELTON - Yes. Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction? Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car. Mr. BALL - From the President's car. Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away. Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there? Mr. SKELTON - I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot. Mr. BALL - How many shots did you hear? Mr. SKELTON - I think I heard four - I mean - I couldn't be sure. Mr. BALL - You think you heard four? Mr. SKELTON - Yes.
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Post by guiltygreer on May 5, 2013 14:42:55 GMT -6
JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William BetznerMany eyewitnesses reported hearing a shot inside or near the Presidential limousine. The driver, Bill Greer was seated two rows in front of and slightly to Jfk's left. 1.Bobby Hargis (Police motorcycle outrider, left rear of limousine): Mr. Stern: Do you recall your impression at the time regarding the shots? Hargis: “Well, at the time it sounded like the shots were right next to me,” 6WCH294. 2. Austin Miller (railroad worker, on triple overpass): Mr. Belin: “Where did the shots sound like they came from?” Miller: “Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say right there in the car,” 6WCH225. 3. Charles Brehm (carpet salesman, south curb of Elm St.): “ Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in front or beside the President. He explained the President did not slump forward as if he would have after being shot from the rear,” “President Dead, Connally Shot,” The Dallas Times Herald, 22 November 1963, p.2 4. Officer E. L. Boone (policeman, corner of Main and Houston Streets):" I heard three shots coming from the vicinity of where the President's car was,” 19WCH508. 5. Jack Franzen: (south curb of Elm): “He said he heard the sound of an explosion which appeared to him to come from the President's car and ...small fragments flying inside the vehicle and immediately assumed someone had tossed a firecracker inside the automobile,” 22WCH840. 6. Mrs. Jack Franzen (south curb of Elm): “Shortly after the President’s automobile passed by… she heard a noise which sounded as if someone had thrown a firecracker into the President’s automobile…at approximately the same time she noticed dust or small pieces of debris flying from the President’s automobile,” 24WCH525. 7. James Altgens: (photographer, south curb of Elm):“ The last shot sounded like it came from the left side of the car, if it was close range because, if it were a pistol it would have to be fired at close range for any degree of accuracy," 7WCH518. 8. Hugh Betzner, Jr. (south curb of Elm, nr junction with Houston): “I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air,” I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car 19WCH467 "Handgun used" "1. Dr. Charles R. Baxter, in Bill Sloan. JFK: Breaking the Silence (Dallas, Texas: Taylor Publishing Co., 1993), p.92: "Although Dr. Baxter…declined to be interviewed for this book, Baxter did issue a brief comment in October 1992 through the school's public information office in which he described the throat wound as being "very small" and looking as though "it might have come from a handgun." 2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: “Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,” 3. Iona Antonov, “On the Trail of the President’s Killers: part 2,” New Times, 1977, pp.26-30: New York Daily News quoted friends of John Rosselli to the effect that Oswald a decoy “while others ambushed” Kennedy from closer range. 4. Dr. Robert McClelland: "The cause of death was due to a massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple," (CE 392). <Admission> 5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected '…from a very high velocity missile…with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range…' This would particularly apply to the skull '…where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'" 6. A.J. Millican: “It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.” <19WCH486> 7. S.M. Holland: “It would be like you’re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.” 8. “Garrison says assassin killed Kennedy from sewer manhole,” New York Times, 11 December 1967, p.28: Report of Garrison claim on WFAA-TV in Dallas – “The man who killed President Kennedy fired a .45 caliber pistol” and that the bullet entered the “right temple.” Gunman located within manhole on north side of Elm Street. Garrison had just taken possession of a set of photos showing cartridge case being retrieved by unidentified man, under noses of two Dallas police officers, on south curb of Elm. 9. Photo referred to by Garrison contained within Garrison Tapes documentary, timed at 01:22:04:15. 10. Joachim Joesten. The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (London: Peter Dawnay, 1968), pp.248-249: Garrison set to release previously unknown set of photos “which saw a federal agent picking up a large caliber bullet from the lawn on the south side of Elm St, at the spot where Kennedy received his mortal wound. The bullet, which was previously identified as .45, was found amidst splotches of dark grey matter which came from Kennedy’s head…” p.249: “clock above TSBD, clearly visible in one of the pictures, reads 12:40.” 11. Statement of Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Warren Commission Hearings (WCH), Vol. 19, p. 467, taken 11-22-63: JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm and Houston Streets, this being the southwest corner. I took another picture just as President Kennedy's car rounded the corner. He was just about all the way around the corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was standing back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pulled out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. A damn good case if we must throw out the films, I would say:
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Post by guiltygreer on May 5, 2013 14:46:52 GMT -6
There are few things more ironic than jfk's real assassin describing his own shot and ultimately debunking Oswald and the grassy snow job. At the end of Greer's testimony here, he takes his finger over his right forehead and drags it along his right temple to his right rear. Note how Greer doesn't turn around and speed off until he's sure his shot connected. Mr. Specter. Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away? Mr. Greer. No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye. Mr. Specter. Indicating the right eye. (Greer pointed over his right eye) Mr. Greer. I may be wrong. Mr. Specter. You don't know which eye? Mr. Greer. I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead. Mr. Specter. Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy? Mr. Greer. I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here. Mr. Specter. Upper right? Mr. Greer. Upper right side. Mr. Specter. Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer. The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.
Upper right side, going toward the rear fired by Greer.
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Post by guiltygreer on May 5, 2013 14:50:55 GMT -6
It took almost 47 years to prove Greer was jfk's real assassin. We now know the only one important thing Greer kept secret. V. Palamara: Notes on Bill GreerGreer retired in July 1966 after having undergone a stomach operation and Jackie Kennedy sent him a letter thanking him for being with the President until the end. He said he "saw blood on Connally's shirt" and looked back only "one time", in direct contrast to the Zapruder film. He went on to say that he "didn't really see the President at all". Said the Zapruder film "was proven legitimate". Claimed to have not seen anyone on the triple overpass. Regarding the assassination itself, Greer claimed that "we never stopped...there was no reason to stop...no need to stop." In regard to the direction of the shots, he said that "everyone was hit from the rear...my back was covered with it [debris from head shot]." When told that Connally has always insisted that he was hit with a different bullet than had hit JFK, Greer said "I feel that way, too. They [the Warren Commission] had lawyers working on it...these lawyers had already made up their mind". Greer also believed that the back wound [which he referred to as being in the "back of the shoulder"] did not go through and that that was also the first thought of the autopsy doctors in attendance. Greer claimed he was "in the OPERATING ROOM at Parkland" [emphasis added] and stated that JFK's clothing "were in my custody from Parkland to Washington." Greer denied that there was a hole in the limousine's windshield. He said there was only a "star"; a spidering crack. Greer did not know why the photographers were out of their usual position in front of and close to JFK's limousine that fateful day in Dallas, but did not seem to regard this as suspicious. Regarding agent Roy Kellerman, Greer said twice that he was "a very fine gentleman." Regarding President Kennedy, Greer said "He and I were pretty close friends. He treated me just wonderful." Regarding William Manchester and his book "Death of a President", Greer said harshly "He's garbage...didn't like it at all", further commenting on Manchester's criticism concerning his age and reflexes behind the wheel [Greer thought that his experience was an advantage, coming from "years of experience" , and certainly not a disadvantage]. He went on to say that he thought that Jim Bishop's book ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") was the best book of all regarding the events of November 22, 1963. (However, keep in mind that his comments were made in 1970) Greer said, somewhat cryptically, "there's alot of things I know that no one else knows." (!) Finally, Greer said that the Warren Commission closed up shop too soon and that "there might have been a conspiracy in another part of the country." [!!!]
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Post by guiltygreer on May 5, 2013 14:53:32 GMT -6
This silly argument has been used by government loyalists and conspiracy kooks for decades, but finally it can be shown to be just an illusion. His head appears to move forward slightly between 312-313 but what really happens is jfk's bottom skull half gapes open providing this illusion. The first gif file provides new proof that hair and skull advance beyond the white line.
If you look at the top rear of his head and hair, it never moves forward of the white line. The bottom half of his skull gapes open from front impact causing this illusion. The President was shot once in the head with the bullet entering over the right eyebrow and logically exited the right rear.
This capture shows perfectly the rear skull gaped open with the top and bottom on the same vertical level.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 23:17:45 GMT -6
Came across this today: " “Perhaps the most chilling aspect of this mesmerizing book is the detailed and convincing manner in which it reveals the suffocating power of the official JFK assassination cover-up imposed by the U.S. government immediately after his death - the power to manipulate the media and to steal documents; the willingness to manipulate the judicial system by aggressively attempting to frame an innocent man for a crime he did not commit; and even the willingness to commit murder to silence one brave and respected citizen who was about to publicly oppose the sham conclusions of the Warren Report. Mary Meyer paid for her bravery - and her loyalty - with her life, but Peter Janney has rewarded her courage by publicly revealing, for the first time, the true and complete story of her relationship with President Kennedy during the fateful final year of his life." (Douglas P. Horne, Chief Analyst for Military Records, The Assassination Records Review Board [ARRB] and author of Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK., Vols. I-V. [http://www.marysmosaic.net/.])" ufodigest.com/article/mary-meyer-0623_______________________________________________________________________________ didn't we all know that "eventually" more pieces were involved with this huge puzzle? This book was supposedly written by the son of a career c1a man . . . might be worth a purchase and a read . . .
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