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Post by AaronFarquhar on Jan 15, 2012 3:51:28 GMT -6
Reading all this makes me feel like we are all back on the Mufon Forum So whats the deal with Ufomania? Its just a Forum right? not an organization? so why is someone claiming to be from a Forum? Please do correct me if i lack information, i have been away for a while. It was never Swamprat, Because Paul and I went fishing down the beach, and you know, living 15,000km away it couldnt have been him, we had beers and meat pies and we got a little drunk, i thought i was being abducted but was actually having a physical by my local Doctor, But why did he stick that probe in my.................Anyways, wasnt paul I got your back matey..lol.. But in all seriousness now, its disturbing to find out people could be out there impersonating certain people from certain Forums, Organisations and so on.
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Post by Steve on Jan 15, 2012 8:02:15 GMT -6
Thanks JCurio for thinking I should go all the way out to Florida to check this. Based on the Mufon final report, personally knowing Marc D' Antionio and his expert skills, I see nothing really interesting with this case. I am quite busy already in my local area -California.
I am in EPIC Voyagers now (along with many of Mufons former most experienced & skilled people) doing investigations as Senior Investigator in California. I am also EPIC's Manager of 'Special Projects'.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 15, 2012 8:17:17 GMT -6
"Special Projects?" Does that mean you are in charge of all the secret black ops and coordinating activities with the CIA? Oh, wait...that's MUFON that does that. So what exactly is a special project?
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Post by Steve on Jan 15, 2012 8:23:02 GMT -6
I asked about that, it is mysterious sounding isn't it. It could be abduction cases, jack of all trades, if something needs to be done, coming up with ideas...or just running out for sandwiches. Black Ops my foot.... Steve
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Post by skywalker on Jan 15, 2012 8:24:01 GMT -6
So whats the deal with Ufomania? Its just a Forum right? not an organization? so why is someone claiming to be from a Forum? Please do correct me if i lack information, i have been away for a while. Ufomania isn't an organization, they are just a forum (or at least they will be for one more day). They are scheduled to cancel themselves on the 16th. Apparently the trespassers in the Miami case thought that by pretending to be representatives of Ufomania that it would give them some credibility and make them appear to be serious investigators. It would seem that it didn't work.
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Post by Steve on Jan 15, 2012 8:44:31 GMT -6
Who ever said they were pretending? That ruse came from ufomania themselves, all two of them. The trespassers probably were ufomania. Time for FF to quietly defect to Bulgaria with his passport between his legs. Funny how my spell check always referred to UFOmania as 'egomania'. I always would then have to hit the 'ignore' button on the spell check. That just about says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 11:43:42 GMT -6
Aaron, apparently they had a thread over on their forum about this incident. A couple of the members over there were pointing fingers at one another, and then someone decided to post that he was "certain" it was one of US over on THIS forum (because most of our members here migrated over to TEOR because we got sick and tired of the Admin over there you see). As I stated before, (just in case someone is now reading this forum and thinking perhaps he might go harass some of the experiencers HERE) if anyone whom I don't know shows up in MY yard without my permission or a good reason, and I ask them to leave and he/she/they do/does not... he/she/they will be shot. End if discussion. Take your pick. A .38, or a .22. Whichever one is closet to my hand at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 12:38:41 GMT -6
"Thanks JCurio for thinking I should go all the way out to Florida to check this."
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Post by swamprat on Jan 15, 2012 13:43:22 GMT -6
Shucks, Steve; c'mon over. We have plenty of room! I may live in a swamp, but we're within 1/2 mile of a liquor store.....
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Post by auntym on Jan 15, 2012 13:53:32 GMT -6
Shucks, Steve; c'mon over. We have plenty of room! I may live in a swamp, but we're within 1/2 mile of a liquor store..... then you can pick up swamprat and head south .... and since i live so close to miami ( 60 miles) you can stop & pick me up .... and i'll go with you guys & i'll be the look-out... ;D ... don't forget the liquor.... i like wine
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 14:07:21 GMT -6
Shucks, Steve; c'mon over. We have plenty of room! I may live in a swamp, but we're within 1/2 mile of a liquor store..... then you can pick up swamprat and head south .... and since i live so close to miami ( 60 miles) you can stop & pick me up .... and i'll go with you guys & i'll be the look-out... ;D ... don't forget the liquor.... i like wine Well, Steve HAS to travel through the middle . . .He should pick up touched and myself first (and touched's fiance', to drop her off in Ga.). I obviously need a real vacation away, not just 'time off' ;D
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Post by AaronFarquhar on Jan 15, 2012 19:51:06 GMT -6
So whats the deal with Ufomania? Its just a Forum right? not an organization? so why is someone claiming to be from a Forum? Please do correct me if i lack information, i have been away for a while. Ufomania isn't an organization, they are just a forum (or at least they will be for one more day). They are scheduled to cancel themselves on the 16th. Apparently the trespassers in the Miami case thought that by pretending to be representatives of Ufomania that it would give them some credibility and make them appear to be serious investigators. It would seem that it didn't work. Hmmm, It probably was Ufomania members. But if it was not, Then i dont know why they would pretend to represent Ufomania, All it is, is a small time forum on the internet run by a bunch of clowns for clowns. They should have atleast said they were from like Mufon, Cufos or something along the lines of that.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 15, 2012 20:10:21 GMT -6
The trespassers were former Ufomania members who had left the forum. They couldn't say they were with MUFON because MUFON was already investigating the case and that would have been too easy to check out. I guess Ufomania was the next best thing they could come up with.
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Post by AaronFarquhar on Jan 16, 2012 4:26:57 GMT -6
Yeh i guess so, But can i ask why would someone go there to investigate it and pretend to be someone else? Whats so important about this case? i mean apart from the others, why is this one worth deceiving people to obtain access??
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Post by skywalker on Jan 16, 2012 11:40:20 GMT -6
I'm not sure what was so special about this particular case. It may have just been a matter of timing. My understanding of what happened is that the lead MUFON investigator Morgan Beall talked about the case at a MUFON meeting in Florida and the trespassing incident occurred shortly after that so maybe they heard about it at the meeting and just decided they wanted to go check it out for themselves.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 16, 2012 19:02:52 GMT -6
Skywalker is posting misinfo. The meeting happened afterward.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 19:25:17 GMT -6
How many meetings were there?
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 16, 2012 20:19:31 GMT -6
To Aaron this is what happened but it would be best to just E-mail Morgan Beall if you are curious about this case. People here have sour grapes with MUFON.
The MUFON Star Team investigated a UFO sighting that occurred on multiple dates. The latest was a metallic sphere during the day time that left a ground trace. In the previous incident the witness got photos of a small nocturnal glowing object.
MUFON lab test showed that the pure red color captured in the photos is very similar to laser light. A similar effect was reproduced using a laser pointer and a mirror but the results were not exact. The witness photo has a stronger concentration of light on the top and bottom and is a little more defined in shape.
Shortly after the MUFON Star Team investigation two men, one described as fat weighing 300 lbs with grey facial hair and the other as thin, more or less like slobs (UFO geeks/ enthusiast) approached the witness claiming to be from UFO Mania. The witness not being impressed told them to leave. MUFON was already investigating the case.
When the witness left his house for work the two people returned and encountered the witness elderly mother who told them to leave the property but they ignored her and started sapping photos.
The witness according to Beall captured the intruders on home surveillance video. The Miami-Dale case appeared on the UFO Examiner web site which gets all of its info from MUFON CMS. Morgan Beall used the UFO Examiner article to inquire on the UFO Mania site if anyone was familiar with the case. I asked him why he did that and he explained to see if the two intruders were from that forum. It was later determined from the video surveillance was a former UFO Mania member who lives in Florida. UFO Mania is a splinter from the old Carrion era MUFON forum. The forum was created when MUFON abruptly shut down their forum. The Edge Of Reality Forum is a splinter of the UFO Mania Forum. Both forums have disgruntled former-MUFON members. That's why there is constant complaining about MUFON by Steve on this forum and UFO Mania by the liked of JJ Flash.
Anyways, one of the intruders was confronted after being identified on video and was confronted. The witness according to Beall decided not to press charges and Beall declined to name who it was stating it was now water under the bridge.
Now when I first came here Skywalker in a PM explained that it's not unusual for MUFON cases to be compromised since people still have passwords or can gain access to current-on going investigations.
That would explain the two UFO geek intruders to the persons property.
As far as people on this forum. This is just my honest impression. Something isn't right with the Steve guy and the Skywalker fellow. I mean threatening a person with legal action and not admitting you brought up a UFO case in another thread and constantly boasting about your credentials with this or that UFO organization on such a small forum looks a little funny. And Skywalker's fakeness with his patronizing is a bit peculiar. Maybe it's just for the sake of conversation.
Anyway I think a lot of what you see on Ufology is just a product of its own culture.
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Post by ufo4peace on Jan 16, 2012 20:24:42 GMT -6
Sorry for the grammar. On iPhone.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 16, 2012 23:41:16 GMT -6
That sounded like a decent assessment of the case. There are a few minor things that I have comments about though. I don't recall that Beall ever said that they confronted the witness. What he said is "Yes we know of a former UFO Mania forum member that currently lives in Florida and have video of the individual according to the witness." That doesn't mean that they confronted him about it. In fact, since he said "according to the witness" that makes it sound like Beall never even saw the video recording. I just sent him an email asking him about it. It isn't just people on these two forums who are complaining about MUFON. Half the people in the UFO community are complaining about MUFON. That's why they lost a third of their state directors and close to a thousand members in just the past couple of years. That's why there now are organizations like EPIC, ARIRA and Open Minds that are all being started up by ex-MUFON members. I don't blame any of them a bit for being angry at MUFON after the way they were treated...and that goes for Steve as well. MUFON has some major problems that they need to deal with and until they do it people are going to be upset with them. Ufomania was also started by many former MUFON members but only because MUFON cancelled their forum with no warning. None of us would have left if they had not done that, and Ufomania and this forum would have never have existed. ( FYI Ufomania no longer exists. They cancelled it last night.) He threatened you with legal action because you falsely accused him of committing a crime...and that is the fourth person that you have falsely accused. It seems to me you are just randomly accusing people and hoping that eventually you will get lucky and accidentally accuse the right one. I don't have a clue what you are talking about when you say that I am patronizing. What I do is respond to posts that people make...either because I am interested in the subject, or because I have something that I want to say. As the admin here I feel that I have an obligation to look out for and promote the well being of this forum and part of that includes showing an interest in the things that people write. In addition to that I also have a genuine interest in what the people have to say. That is probably one of the reasons why I started this forum. That's also why I respond to a lot of the posts that I respond to...so that we can have conversations. That's what sets this small forum apart from some of the much larger ones like MUFON which has over 600 members but only one or two people posting each day. What kind of a forum is that?
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Post by Steve on Jan 17, 2012 4:53:22 GMT -6
then you can pick up swamprat and head south .... and since i live so close to miami ( 60 miles) you can stop & pick me up .... and i'll go with you guys & i'll be the look-out... ;D ... don't forget the liquor.... i like wine Well, Steve HAS to travel through the middle . . .He should pick up touched and myself first (and touched's fiance', to drop her off in Ga.). I obviously need a real vacation away, not just 'time off' ;D That sounds like fun. Does anyone of us play a harmonica? ;D My fantasy is we would do this Elvis on his private jet going out for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches thing. We would arrange a route to pick everyone up, then we all arrive at Swamps (Paul's place on the bayou) ;D We'll arrange a two seater F-15 at Eislson AF Base in Fairbanks to fly Lorelei to Florida non-stop.... three air to air refuelings and two pee bottles outta do it. ;D Sure it would be enjoyable, and I know I would learn plenty from the rest of you. Wine is just fine, though I am told I make a mean Cosmo martini too. Steve
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Post by AaronFarquhar on Jan 17, 2012 5:00:56 GMT -6
Thats very weird, Its hard to think about exactly whats happening when you dont know exactly what the correct details are, All i can gather is that someone is Farting around.
Its very confusing, I just dont understand why someone would want to go check out a place that had a few sightings and when told to leave, Appear again on a later date. There is something going on, I dont think its just someone curious and want to check it out, There is something about this case that stands out from the rest.
U4P I am very familiar with the Mufon Forum, I was a Regular there then my posting died down when they swapped the very capable James Carrion over with Clifford Clift. As soon as Clifford got in and started changing things, as well as shutting down the Forum i lost all respect for Mufon, Not the people but just Mufon and the International Director. We all enjoyed the Forum so Ufomania was created, Hmm not sure why but that forum just didnt do it for me. But now The Edge is Amazing.
You remind me of someone that was once a Member on the Mufon Forum, I cant remember his name but he was a kind of debunker, someone who just came on and was full of Accusations and Negativity.
Can i ask, Not to be rude, But to be blunt, What is your interest on this Forum?? Are you a debunker? or a Mufon/Ufomania Supporter? Im just curious to know why you do not seem to be gettinga long with a few of the other people on here? Like i said i dont mean to be rude, I just havent been here for a little while and have a bit of catching up to do.
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Post by Steve on Jan 17, 2012 5:24:16 GMT -6
I agree with you Aaron. I think 'The edge' is amazing too. I think it was 'Rike' you are trying to recall (or forget)? The resemblance is rather striking.
There maybe some changes in Mufon in store the next few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 8:57:40 GMT -6
We'll arrange a two seater F-15 at Eislson AF Base in Fairbanks to fly Lorelei to Florida non-stop.... three air to air refuelings and two pee bottles outta do it. LOL... Don't worry Steve, I have trouble spelling Eileson too (I know I spelled it wrong... and I'm too lazy to look it up...) It's pronounced "Aisle-son".
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Post by skywalker on Jan 17, 2012 9:05:58 GMT -6
Eielson. I looked it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 9:19:57 GMT -6
Eielson. I looked it up. Tanks. ;D
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Post by Steve on Jan 17, 2012 15:52:18 GMT -6
Eielson, cut and paste next time...
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Post by auntym on Jan 17, 2012 16:13:36 GMT -6
that sounds like a fun trip.... wine---cosmo martini---i'm game....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 23:39:38 GMT -6
Eielson, cut and paste next time... Steve I've only been there twice... once for job training a couple years ago, and once for a Halloween party... more than a couple years ago... I need to go out there again. I heard they have fancy expensive brand name bubble bath at their PX... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 23:50:25 GMT -6
Well, Steve HAS to travel through the middle . . .He should pick up touched and myself first (and touched's fiance', to drop her off in Ga.). I obviously need a real vacation away, not just 'time off' ;D That sounds like fun. Does anyone of us play a harmonica? ;D It just so happens that I play a little bit of harp,,,,,lol ;D
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