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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 10:02:03 GMT -6
JC I wasn't trying to brush anyone's questing about abilities..I was trying to say that for those who have them..they're just a part of us..I apologize for offending. I take them so much for granted. No..I didn't feel manipulated..you seemed to want to know what I meant and I just answered I am sometimes..too glib in my answers...but it's seldom directional. ..I worry for my children and keeping them safe. I weave as many protective spells and prayers as I possibly can. I talk to angels..I read my cards daily asking for guidance..I talk to God and to the ascended masters..I spend only time here...concerned with UFO's or the wee tiny demons who travel in them. If that's what you 'saw' then indeed..you saw me and I don't mind..I tell anyone who might ask Thank You. I don't want to offend any one either. I tend to be too "glib" with the spoken word.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 10:25:51 GMT -6
This is a thread I don't need to follow any more. The moment one of them causes someone to be uncomfortable or offended ...it's outlived it's usefulness as far as I'm concerned. While it's impossible to know if our words cause another distress..once we do know that..then it's shame on us if we continue in the same vein.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 10:35:37 GMT -6
This is a thread I don't need to follow any more. The moment one of them causes someone to be uncomfortable or offended ...it's outlived it's usefulness as far as I'm concerned. While it's impossible to know if our words cause another distress..once we do know that..then it's shame on us if we continue in the same vein. It would be so nice if we could see the other people's faces whenever we make a post...
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Post by skywalker on Dec 4, 2011 11:14:33 GMT -6
That's what the little smiley dudes are for.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 4, 2011 11:33:10 GMT -6
This is a thread I don't need to follow any more. The moment one of them causes someone to be uncomfortable or offended ...it's outlived it's usefulness as far as I'm concerned. While it's impossible to know if our words cause another distress..once we do know that..then it's shame on us if we continue in the same vein. I don't see any reason for anybody to be offended by anything. It was just a simple miscommunication. It's all good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 22:52:40 GMT -6
Skywalkwer, Some vets here did not like it when I posted the shoot down of UFOs or SDI type weapons used against them but you had a pilot that was on record and former MoD Nick Pope confirming it. The psychic stuff on the other hand can be used to muddy the waters because anyone can just make up a story. UFOs have been observed by multiple witnesses, tracked by radar etc. so there is a bit of a difference there. I'll just say I'm not a huge fan of silly looking conspiracy/ paranormal UFO forums with green or blue text. I think the subject matter has been trivialized enough. Do we really need another Into The Unknown forum? Or Above Secrecy Forum, Your Minds Are Open Forum? I think I'll just go back to MUFONs forum. U4P, all I am saying is that psychic phenomena is another piece of the UFO puzzle that needs to be taken into consideration if we are ever going to get a clear picture of what UFOs are all about. That doesn't mean that you or anybody else has to believe it. You are free to believe whatever you want. I, personally, am looking into it because my own personal experiences have taught me that there is something there that needs to be investigated. Hopefully, by looking at it from that different perspective I may be able to gain a little more insight into what is going on and why it is happening. Other people are free to look in other areas but this is the direction that I am pursuing at the moment. If you don't agree with it that's fine. There is plenty of room for everybody to look in their own directions. The more people we have looking the more opportunities there are for somebody to find out the truth. In my opinion ufology seems to have gotten stuck in a rut over the past sixty years with the same people conducting the same investigations using the same tired old methodology...and we are no closer to figuring out what is going on now than we were sixty years ago. Maybe it is time that we try something new and start considering things that haven't been considered before and looking in new directions...thinking outside the box so to speak. That is what I am doing. That doesn't mean that you have to though. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. I was just pointing out earlier that your disbelief in psychic abilities is no different than a skeptic's disbelief in UFOs. The evidence for psychic phenomena may not be as tangible as photos or videos or radar reports but it still exists...even if it is only available on a personal level for those who have experienced it. You are right that people do sometimes make up fictional stories and muddy up the water. There are all sorts of silly stories about all sorts of crazy things plastered all over the internet. That unfortunately is one of the problems that we in the UFO community are faced with. In order to find a grain of truth we first have to dig through a mountain of BS. I'm no more happy about that than you are but I have accepted it as a fact of life because there is no way that we can control what other people say. That's what Jj was trying to do on Ufomania. He wanted to put restrictions on who could and could not take part in the discussions and what they could and could not say. Anything that he didn't agree with would either be deleted or relocated down to the bottom of the forum and stuck in the "Tin-foil loony-tunes" section. That, in my opinion is censorship and it should never be tolerated, no matter how pure the motives might be for doing it. One of the things JJ especially wanted to do was stop the experiencers from talking about their personal experiences simply because he did not agree with them. That is one of the main reasons why I ended up leaving and creating this forum. I wanted to create a place where everybody would be free to talk about whatever they wanted to talk about without having a lot of rules and restrictions placed upon them. Everybody is welcome here...it doesn't matter what they believe or what their opinions are. Most of the people here right now are abductees and experiencers because those are the people who chose to come over here. The hardcore skeptics stayed over there. I think this forum is unique simply because of the large number of experiencers who are here. We have a golden opportunity to explore different areas that haven't been investigated before, and we can do so simply by listening to each others stories and comparing our experiences. It's amazing how many similarities there are among the people here. Of course a skeptic could just dismiss it all as make-believe nonsense and fantasy-prone delusions...and that's fine. People can believe whatever they want to believe. I think that people are intelligent enough that they should be able to make up their own minds about what they will or will not accept as evidence. As for what you posted about the pilots shooting down UFOs, I don't totally disagree with that theory. I don't totally believe it either simply because I don't think we have the ability to bring one of those things down. That's just my own opinion though. We could have shot down a thousand of them for all I know. It's possible there could be some huge war going on between the governments of the world and an evil invading ET race. We might have weapons up in space blasting away at the aliens any time they get near our atmosphere...who knows what is really going on? This is why I think it is important for people to be able to express their opinions and share their views, even if they don't always agree on everything. That is what a forum is all about...people who share a common interest can talk about things that interest them, share their ideas and information, and hopefully learn something in the process. That's all that people were doing. They were just engaging in a debate...they weren't trying to silence you or stop you from posting. I realize we don't have a huge number of in-depth detailed discussions on serious UFO topics here, but that is only because we are still a young forum and we only have a handful of serious investigators. We are still growing and gaining new people though. Over time TEOR may turn out to be one of the best forums on the internet. We'll just have to wait and see what the forum grows up to be. Whether or not you want to be a part of it and have some influence on it is up to you. well said. I hope he reads this.
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Post by lois on Dec 5, 2011 0:33:09 GMT -6
What we call a phenomena is not to our visitors. It is a natural thing with them. We only give it this name as we do not understand how it works..
What Jesus did while here on earth, we call miracles as we do not understand the higher realm of God. It is there for everyone. Jesus said go and do likewise. .
Some day man kind will see some great knowledge to it all. And look back at us and say, they did not understand as much as they thought they did..We do get glimpses of it in different kinds of ways.
Lorelei, can you explain why you are capable of such things and how it works? We all travel the same road but ignore things that another person sees as being real and understands it a little better. If one never experiences the unknown we are in for a very long ride.. of gaining knowledge, and I don't mean the kind that takes us into space.
My Mother wrote something on a piece of paper and it was on the end table where she last sit in her home. She passed the next day at home from a sudden heart attack
The words on the paper read as follows. The only true heart is the divine heart, that is always pounding for mankind..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 0:55:31 GMT -6
Wow Lois. That's a beautiful thing. It's like your mother knew what was going to happen to her or something and wanted to offer her loved ones some comfort in the time of mourning her passing. That's beautiful, thanks for sharing! ~hugz~
As far as the previous discussion is concerned, I'm sorry I got a bit short tempered. I simply do not like someone stating something as a fact when I know it is not a fact. Had it been stated as, "I do not believe in it," or "In my opinion it is not real," that would have been a different matter. But no. It was stated as though it were fact when it is not. That is what offended me. Fact and opinion are two different things.
Thank you for wording your most recent post so well skywalker. You obviously put a lot of time and thought into it.
Lois, to address your question, "Lorelei, can you explain why you are capable of such things and how it works?"
That is a question I actually ask myself every day whenever something like that happens. I did not become aware of my ability to read the minds of others until I was in high school, about the age of 14 I suppose because all of my friends were telling me about it. They would laugh whenever I would finish their sentences and it amused them when I would say something and then it would happen immediately after I said it. I had never paid much attention to it... until other people started pointing it out to me. I then began to focus on it and realized that what they were saying was true and it freaked me out at first... now though I'm OK with it. I mean... what else am I supposed to do?
I did some research on the internet and bounced from chat room to chat room on yahoo chat and asked questions of other self-professed psychics and learned a great deal about the phenomenon through them.
It's just something that I do automatically, just like that feeling you get sometimes when you know someone is staring at you, then you look up and someone IS staring at you. It's like that only more complex... that's the best way to describe it. It's just a "knowing" of something that I shouldn't "know"... like when that man came up to me and I "recognized" him as being one of my father's former co-workers... but he told me he had worked with my father 30 years ago and I was only 26 at the time (will be 27 next month). So... how could I have "known" that? I did though.
I have no idea how or why. I just... well... do... ~shrug~
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 10:25:27 GMT -6
I believe there will come a time when all of mankind will realize that were not alone in this vast universe . Most do not accept or understand the experiences many of us have encountered but given time, maybe sooner than later they will . It may not be in our lifetime but they'll look back and most likely say" those few people knew what most did not ".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 13:14:03 GMT -6
I think you're very right Cliff. Eventually...all will be understood..we just tend to be impatient. This isn't a place..for censorship. It's a place for discussion and for possibilities..that is why most of us came to this place instead of Open minds (which unfortunately wasn't open minded enough to hang onto it's 'government' according to an email I got this am). It isn't corrupt...it isn't singular..it isn't insular..it is a forum as broad minded as the individuals who occupy it's space. We do NOT have to agree..but respect is necessary to make it work. No one should feel challenged here or persecuted for their abilities or beliefs..if that changes...I would not need to be here. Some of this 'stuff' is very intense and personal...some people aren't ready to or don't feel comfortable sharing it. In some people..it has cost loss of dignity, pain and more fear than a lot of people will ever see. What sprang from that are nightmares and visions and unique individual possibilities that we cannot expect others to understand. We need to also respect their feelings of skepticism and disbelief...because how many of us would NOT believe it if we had not been subjected to it? Me. The open minds of children have been ripped apart and monsters do exist. What more is there to know? Re: Open minds forum If anyone didn't get one I'll print the whole of it. To all members, We regret to announce that as of today four of the five Co-Administrators and Co-Owners of the Open Minds Forum: Lee, Doc, Manuel and Chris, are leaving the forum and will no longer be active participants at OM.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 5, 2011 14:15:18 GMT -6
I just wrote a little bit about the Open Minds fiasco on my Postcards From the Edge thread. It is a shame to see something like that happen, but internet life must go on... I also want to say that some of the most recent posts on this thread have been some of the best posts I've read in a long time. That one that Lois wrote was both insightful and heart warming. That was excellent, Shami. You said it very well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 15:43:02 GMT -6
Lois..it's always nice to hear of deeper mystery's than UFO's and 'aliens' for those are the mystery's that matter in the end. We'll all be going the same direction eventually...aliens included...the paths just vary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 19:43:31 GMT -6
I also want to say that some of the most recent posts on this thread have been some of the best posts I've read in a long time. That one that Lois wrote was both insightful and heart warming. That was excellent, Shami. You said it very well. -- Thank you for sharing Lois ! It reminded me of the last 24 hrs. I spent with my dad before he passed away when I was 19 of heart failure. He knew it was coming also and those were probably the closest moments he and I had ever shared . Dec. 9th will be 25 years to the day .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 19:56:27 GMT -6
My grandfather also knew when he was dying, my mother's father. I was seven at the time of his death. We were in the hospital room with him and he took my hand and looked at me and said, "Be good." I smiled and chirped, "I will grampa!" We all went out to lunch and then we came back to visit him. The blanket was pulled over his head and the bed was lowered so it was flat. Mom ran into the room and dad grabbed my sister and I and took us over to the nurse's station. I of course had no idea what was going on or what it meant that they had covered his face with the blanket... I demanded to be released so I could go see Grampa... I remember standing next to my father's leg on one side and my sister on the other as he stood in front of the nurse's station. His expression was grave. "What time did _____ die?" "WHAT?!" I exclaimed, horrified. Dad sternly told me to shush. The nurse mumbled an answer to him. I don't remember what she said... an hour ago or something like that... This was confirmation of the unthinkable in my mind. I bawled. "He's not dead! He's NOT DEAD!" I repeated over and over again. I remember that... "Be Good." "Ok Grampa!"
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Post by ufo4peace on Dec 5, 2011 23:40:10 GMT -6
I think you've been on so many different forums that you've forgotten where you are. jcurio Like what forums?
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Post by ufo4peace on Dec 5, 2011 23:54:07 GMT -6
The UFO Hunters is one of your sources? Ole 'Wild Bill - Barnum and Baily' Burns? Thankfully their show has been long since canceled. Steve That's because those type of show's tend to be about ratings. I'll give Bill Byrnes credit for touching on the South Haven, Long Island UFO crash case. The Long Island UFO Network saga is something that isn't covered very often.
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Post by lois on Dec 5, 2011 23:54:19 GMT -6
Lorelei . My Mom could read minds at times. She knew things that happened to people many miles away at the intant in happen. she read events.
My son since childhood could read my mind. oops ! sometimes I wish he could not.
Jo, when I came here I did not open my mouth, now I tell many personal things about my family and life. It is because I have learn to trust others here, whether they take it as fact or not. I understand some things posted just seem too unreal to be true, never the less it does not bother me now.
I don't think the aliens will ever invade us to begin with, maybe they will make contact some day. Whether they ever walk among us , I don't really have any thoughts on that..
Is there really a confederation of life forms out there .. Many think so. At least I read people think they do. Does not make any difference to me if earthlings ever join this confederation or not if one does exist.
We may keep contact with them in the future if they make contact first.
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Post by lois on Dec 6, 2011 0:06:25 GMT -6
I also want to say that some of the most recent posts on this thread have been some of the best posts I've read in a long time. That one that Lois wrote was both insightful and heart warming. That was excellent, Shami. You said it very well. -- Thank you for sharing Lois ! It reminded me of the last 24 hrs. I spent with my dad before he passed away when I was 19 of heart failure. He knew it was coming also and those were probably the closest moments he and I had ever shared . Dec. 9th will be 25 years to the day . I seen my Mother about 24 hours earlier, she came to visit but my Dad said she could not stay long as it was time for medication. I walked her to the door and stood there watching her get into the car. I can still see her waving over the top of the car from the opposite side. Then I seen her purse on my couch and had to flagged them down. Something did not feel right when I went back into the house. Gee! dont you wish you knew it would be the last time, you sure would have a lot to say to them. She made a statement .. My kids still need me. even though we were all married and on our own for years. .. at the time, I told her all your children have faith and they will see you someday again. . I think this same way for my own kids today.. And we do travel the same road.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 0:15:51 GMT -6
~hugz Lois~ I actually did know when I was going to see my grandmother for the last time in her house because she went into the hospital. We were over at her house and she was sitting on the sofa. I got down on my knees in front of her and buried my face in her bosom and cried. My parents were looking at me like I was crazy (they look at me like this a lot lol...) and kept telling me, "Come on we have to go home!" I said, "I feel like this is the last time I'm going to see you in your house! I don't wanna go!!" I actually said it, and I meant it. I was right... they put her in the hospital a few days after that... and a few months later she passed on... It was definitely a horrible feeling Lois... I wish I was on the floor in front of her again... I wish I was holding on to her again... I wish I could taste her pecan pie again...
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Post by lois on Dec 6, 2011 0:29:51 GMT -6
Lorelei. . Once I was sitting in the living room watching TV .. the show that was on reminded me of the Ed Sullivan show from my youth.. My 12 year old son was in his room and shortly after came out of his room and ask . Mom who is Ed Sullivan? I just looked at him and ask why he had ask me. He said you were thinking about this show. I could see you from the bedroom sitting in here thinking about this show. Now that was creepy..
Another thing he would see himself in the room with himself there at the same time.. I told of that on the other forum. Does any one know a name for that? He said he could see himself like he could see me in the room at that moment. Once around eight years old he woke up to go to the restroom and he seen himself sitting on his book case staring back at him. Is this some kind of disorder? if so I have never read about such a thing. I seem to be getting away from alien invasion here.
Sky maybe we need a thread called very personal to post on..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 0:58:22 GMT -6
I think that's called a Doppelganger. When you see your double.
When I was a little girl I used to dream I would go back in time by walking through the hall closet into my old bedroom and I would watch myself doing things in my past. Kind of the same thing it seems to me...
Your son definitely has abilities... wow that's kind of spooky that he knew what you were thinking...
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Post by ufo4peace on Dec 6, 2011 1:37:20 GMT -6
Sorry ufo4 peace. It would take another 60 years to convince me..That's how long ago it all started with me in my youth. Now I thought I was crazy for most of my teens.. when they get a hold of your mind with contact you would wish you were dead .. I did.. until finally they came and made the same type of contact in 1972.. but they showed them selves at that moment by coming over me in a ship and sending down a green beam almost at my feet. My poor mind was saved from it self, but then I had to realize ufos were real and from another world. There's exopolitics but there's also another phenomenon that could be termed exosocial. People's supposed social relations with extraterrestrials. Now in my case I've never been abducted, had a close encounter nor seen any type of craft. That's the only thing I see in science fiction movies. So a large part of the population are probably not exosocial but a person you work with or a passer by on the street could have been onboard an alien craft the night before and that sort of thing is kind of bizarre.
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Post by ufo4peace on Dec 6, 2011 2:33:56 GMT -6
Sky maybe we need a thread called very personal to post on.. Or maybe you should write a book. Seriously. Disappearing cars driving down the road, alien craft sucking up corn in front of your house, death premonitions, you name it. It'll all be in there.
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Post by ufo4peace on Dec 6, 2011 2:45:48 GMT -6
This is a thread I don't need to follow any more. The moment one of them causes someone to be uncomfortable or offended ...it's outlived it's usefulness as far as I'm concerned. While it's impossible to know if our words cause another distress..once we do know that..then it's shame on us if we continue in the same vein. Maybe whomever the mod is around here should tell the story tellers and the smoke blowers to stay on topic or start a new thread if they want to talk about their grandmothers underwear or socialize. It's very disrespectful to the subject matter at hand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 6:09:52 GMT -6
I think you've been on so many different forums that you've forgotten where you are. jcurio Like what forums? "Don't get your hopes up because internet forums are kind of passe' " (from ufo4peace; reply #165) ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 6:16:46 GMT -6
Sky maybe we need a thread called very personal to post on.. Or maybe you should write a book. Seriously. Disappearing cars driving down the road, alien craft sucking up corn in front of your house, death premonitions, you name it. It'll all be in there. Oh! Are these the "stories" you were referencing earlier? Lois, we do have a close encounters/personal thread. And if you do decide to write a book......wow. Great suggestion, ufo4peace!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 6:50:16 GMT -6
Maybe whomever the mod is around here should tell the story tellers and the smoke blowers to stay on topic or start a new thread if they want to talk about their grandmothers underwear or socialize. It's very disrespectful to the subject matter at hand. IMO, the "story telling" and "socializing" are not disrespectful to the subject matter at hand . Re: When Aliens Invade Us...... Your (ufo4peace) attention to detail (whether internet search, including forums; regardless) is related to aircraft (theirs ? and ours), on this thread and possibly other threads. Please excuse me for that generalization momentarily . This "topic" leads me to believe that we have already been invaded. We just STILL try to "engage" 'em whenever we see 'em. . . IF we have already been invaded, both in the past and obviously since WW2 if so, it is realistic (IMO) to consider how they have managed to effect us socially, politically, mentally, and physically. Even IF they are just some "skyward phenomenon". Personally, I think any physic abilities I might have (I said "I"; talking about myself only) are a gift from the Holy Spirit, ie: G_d. By "gift" I mean that it is "given". Not something I control at all. I don't believe it was "given" to me by supposed "aliens" that fly in these ships/craft. But I will listen to others who might think that. That's only fair. "The Holy Spirit" is definitely another thread material . If this "gift" shows me who (or what) is flying these crafts, and shows me what the neighbor is having for dinner down the street, I can't complain. What's relevant, IMO, is by "small examples", learning to trust what I am being told. I don't trust. So I still have to "see" that my brother got a new car, two days before he got the exact one.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 6, 2011 10:51:54 GMT -6
Maybe whomever the mod is around here should tell the story tellers and the smoke blowers to stay on topic or start a new thread if they want to talk about their grandmothers underwear or socialize. It's very disrespectful to the subject matter at hand. I'm the admin here and if I think anything is disrespectful I'll deal with it. As long as people are getting along with one another I prefer to stay out of the way and let the conversations flow naturally. If anything needs to be moved I normally will do it in the background so people don't even notice it's happening. My way of handling things seems to be working so far. This forum has been here almost an entire year and during that time there hasn't been a single argument. I would like for it to stay that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 10:57:57 GMT -6
I don't think it's disrespectful either JC... but that's just my opinion.
As a moderator of this forum (Under a different ID) I can, however, understand your frustration ufp4peace.
Before you came over here nobody really had a problem with discussions and story telling. We all have something in common, and we are people. It's unfortunate, but people are social creatures who like to tell stories and discuss things. Conversations do not always stay "on topic"... as a matter of fact, they almost never do stay on one subject. It's how we are programmed. It's how the human mind works.
This forum is not like the UFOmania forum. Freedom of speech and conversation are encouraged here. This is not a strict and rigid classroom setting.
However, I can understand your frustration and your request is very reasonable. I (or one of the other moderating team members) will move the posts not pertinent to the subject into another thread. I don't have a lot of time to do this right now though because I have to go to work. It should be moved by this time tomorrow.
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Post by Arctic Amazon on Dec 6, 2011 11:34:25 GMT -6
There. I have moved these posts from the Alien Invasion thread.
UFO4peace: I just now noticed something you had posted that I did not read before. You said Lorelei (me) was "crazy".
I find it amusing that you are whining about others being disrespectful to you when you are being disrespectful to me and my beliefs and experiences. I just thought I would call that to your attention.
Perhaps if you want to be treated with respect you should at least make an attempt to be respectful to others who have differing views.
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