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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 11:59:28 GMT -6
Maybe we could just create a thread under the close encounters on the edge category for people to post their stories anonymously...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 12:04:12 GMT -6
Thanks Steve. This is interesting data. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 13:00:09 GMT -6
Steve, I'm thinking we haven't "officially" heard of the incident listed as 2-10-10, in Knoxville, Tenn. We may have heard bits and pieces.
Can you post that report for us?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 13:02:27 GMT -6
Tom, I'm supposing that you are very busy right now, and I hope you are doing ok. Are we able to view your recent interviews yet? Thanks, jc
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2012 0:59:14 GMT -6
Steve, I'm thinking we haven't "officially" heard of the incident listed as 2-10-10, in Knoxville, Tenn. We may have heard bits and pieces. Can you post that report for us? Hi JC, The Knoxville, Tenn. event on 2/10/10 is Tom's, who is the same person who posts in this thread. You might want to check with him. I am adding another event as well to the Knoxville list, which I just learned of, on 5/19/10. The experiencer wrote me they were seriously injured as a result of their encounter. Thanks, Steve
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 10:06:41 GMT -6
Serious injuries are unusual I think
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 11:53:22 GMT -6
My thoughts and prayers go to those injured during this experience... stoopid aliens... I hope you share the story with us after it's been investigated properly, Steve...
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2012 14:26:42 GMT -6
My thoughts and prayers go to those injured during this experience... stoopid aliens... I hope you share the story with us after it's been investigated properly, Steve... Serious injuries are unusual. This information was not from a case file but a person who recently related this to me. It was related to me in a private message. If they read this, any info would have to be from them if they wish to relate what happened and the nature of the injuries. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 17:14:24 GMT -6
Absolutely! For those keeping track of encounters..as many facts as we can get the better but I know how difficult that sharing is My heart goes out to anyone who has been that up close and personal with what we can't possibly understand.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 12, 2012 19:24:15 GMT -6
It seems that everybody is affected in some way or another. Either physically, mentally or emotionally...different people end up with different results, some worse than others. It might be caused by some physical difference in the people, different beings doing the procedures, or possibly the different things that they do. There may be similar patterns for how the abductions occur but not necessarily for how they turn out. Maybe that's why some people see the beings as benevolent while others see them as space demons from the planet Hell.
I noticed that in a recent interview that was posted here Travis said that he thought the beings were benevolent and good-intentioned. I wonder if he felt like that 35 years ago?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 22:47:48 GMT -6
It takes a certain type of heart, Tom. I am so glad I am meeting people here that are teaching me and others to be brave.
Both skywalker and myself have had so many "accidents", that we really probably shouldn't be alive today. How many "near-misses" have we had that we aren't aware of?
You are painfully aware.
I don't know what else to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 1:16:03 GMT -6
I would be pretty rare for someone to come away from something like that without some kind of baggage (for lack of better wording to cover a multitude). We can talk about it until we're blue but until someone has been there they just can't quite 'know' it. Truth be told I don't think I've spent a day without fear since..lurking in the pit of my belly..but it's there always like the ringing ear. I still have problems with people wanting to meet aliens..and trusting one? Don't think so..
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Post by sansseed on Mar 13, 2012 8:44:23 GMT -6
I would be pretty rare for someone to come away from something like that without some kind of baggage (for lack of better wording to cover a multitude). We can talk about it until we're blue but until someone has been there they just can't quite 'know' it. Truth be told I don't think I've spent a day without fear since..lurking in the pit of my belly..but it's there always like the ringing ear. I still have problems with people wanting to meet aliens..and trusting one? Don't think so.. So true. I couldn't agree more. I think it's like anyone who's been through a trauma, there is always a state of diligence..., always looking over ones shoulder. I know, for myself, that even when I'm relaxed I'm still taking in my surroundings and looking for the nearest exit.
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Post by bethabara9 on Mar 13, 2012 19:22:51 GMT -6
I believe the experience causes a post traumatic stress. Fear, rage or mood disturbances, to say the least. This coupled with an inability to communicate about the encounters, without more ridicule or disbelief, even with trained counselors, or even to discuss it with family members.
I personally have a running checklist constantly going on in my mind...and every night, like a shadow across a window, I know the possibility exists, it could happen again.
I will say, the injury being spoken of, is technically, self inflicted. It was as a result of trying to free myself from a device. It was not by an attack or such by said creatures...that makes a difference.
I personally am no alien hugger, fan or supporter of "lets go out and meet them" groups...I would be more with the militia "lets take them" out groups....that only coming from my own experiences, I understand not everyone has that feeling and respect that.
just sayin~~
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 20:45:11 GMT -6
I personally am no alien hugger, fan or supporter of "lets go out and meet them" groups...I would be more with the militia "lets take them" out groups....that only coming from my own experiences, I understand not everyone has that feeling and respect that. just sayin~~ B' Hold on a sec... let me find my rifle... *click click* Alright lady. Let's go shoot us some ETs... ~spit~ ;D
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Post by Steve on Mar 13, 2012 20:45:46 GMT -6
I believe the experience causes a post traumatic stress. Fear, rage or mood disturbances, to say the least. This coupled with an inability to communicate about the encounters, without more ridicule or disbelief, even with trained counselors, or even to discuss it with family members. I personally have a running checklist constantly going on in my mind...and every night, like a shadow across a window, I know the possibility exists, it could happen again. I will say, the injury being spoken of, is technically, self inflicted. It was as a result of trying to free myself from a device. It was not by an attack or such by said creatures...that makes a difference. I personally am no alien hugger, fan or supporter of "lets go out and meet them" groups...I would be more with the militia "lets take them" out groups....that only coming from my own experiences, I understand not everyone has that feeling and respect that. just sayin~~ B' Thanks B. She was the private correspondence I mentioned earlier. Respectful of her privacy. I am in the experiencers camp, and the 'what it actually is' camp, not any bad or good alien camp. ;D Steve
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 20:49:44 GMT -6
B, if you feel comfortable sharing with the rest of us, I would really like to hear about what happened to you... I also wish you a speedy recovery my dear... ~hugz~ But then... after you recover... we can go shoot them, k?
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Post by lois on Mar 13, 2012 22:24:25 GMT -6
I really did not feel traumatized so much like people tell it. I was Mad, Angry, and excited to know they were here visiting us. I was in pure wonder, at the sight I was seeing. Mad because they were the ones who messed with my mind as a teenager. Angry because they did not tell me they were from a ship which came from another world.
All I feel since is still Angry for the brain damage. I have cope with it and lived with it normally in some aspects, but pure H#@! in other ways. Scared to pick up a Grandchild as for fear of falling with them in my arms, which happened a few times.
I know what white lesions are, but the gray and white matter are messed up also. I do not understand that part. Never mattered as there is nothing they can do for it.
No not traumatized . Angry very Angry.
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Post by lois on Mar 13, 2012 22:40:37 GMT -6
When I read a few horrible cases back in 2000, I sat at the table and was so angry, I told my husband who was sitting at the table with me. Do you believe that, they are still doing this to people today? I guess I thought it would all go away in time. But I could not close my eyes and ears to the alien agenda even if I wanted to. I still need to know .. Why!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 10:12:31 GMT -6
Thanks so much bethabara9 I know all of those feelings you shared ..sheer rage at the audacity, anger at a blasted criminal act gone totally unchecked and like ThomasReed..memory in my case is incomplete..heaven knows what else is in there I don't want to face. And the aspect of not being able to put everything into words enough to share. I am grateful for this forum for that and meeting others who don't have those words either. Skywalker was the first I met with the same abduction components he and a friend..me and my friend. I'd never had someone I could relate to and it was like confessional at a church (I'm guessing) good for the soul LOL. Eventually...all of this will have answers and I know we'll be amazed at it..I think I'll still probably be angry.
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Post by paulette on Mar 14, 2012 10:58:05 GMT -6
I don't think I'd be for shooting someone whose friends have the power to annilate our planet. Also what I hear here is that the visitors ARE NOT LIKE US. We are animals to them. We eat our fellow animals - and torture them first. I personally (IMO) can say nothing about mistreatment given that I passively participate in keeping featherless chickens in wire cages (laying eggs nonstop until they die) or shoving pigs in a barn so crowded that they can't turn around, etc etc. We are barbaric - and don't like it when we are treated casually.
Our world is interconnected - soul to soul and to me (IMO) that includes tree souls and vanishing frog and butterfly souls and yes displaced to the side of the new highways indigenous South Americans' souls - now drinking from insecticide laced creeks that 5 years ago were in deep Amazon jungle (and now Monsanto grows mega-crops of GM soybeans - to feed those unhappy pigs in Europe).
And I know its wrong. And I still eat meat.
I got nothing to say about the ethics of the Visitors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -6
Younger is more resilient I suppose
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 19:03:21 GMT -6
~hands Steve his official Investigator Cap and official spectacles~
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Post by bethabara9 on Mar 14, 2012 19:04:00 GMT -6
Thanks guys, for the kind words and understanding.
Really am liking it here, more and more. the main reason I don't post the encounter in main forum posts, is to avoid a google search and possible nutcases...lol. I will share with anyone in private messages. Also, the forum I have been a member of since 2008, is not abductee friendly. Personal encounters are met with ridicule and demands of proof, suggestions of mental illness and such. So I never shared the story outright on the forum. I was sort of underdog champion instead, trying to carefully protect newcomers but also be vigilant in protecting the members from trolls, lol.
I have not returned though. I miss many there but the attacks on new comers and believers was getting hard for me. Even people's personal religious beliefs were being mocked and ridiculed and I just had to walk away for a bit. My heart couldn't take it anymore.
glad to be here, I am really grateful to Tom for telling me~~
B'
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Post by skywalker on Mar 14, 2012 19:37:16 GMT -6
May I ask what forum you used to be a member of? From the description it could be just about any of them. Most forums are openly hostile towards anybody who claims to have had a personal experience. I used to get in some pretty big arguments just because I refused to keep my mouth shut. Now I have pretty much accepted that it is never going to change so I just argue more for the fun of it. I like getting the debunkers all riled up.
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Post by lois on Mar 14, 2012 23:13:01 GMT -6
Tom wrote ..Understand, this is hard as it is, there is know AA for abducions
My friends here have been my only help, and it took a long time coming... My husband is still in question of what happen to me. I had one friend who I confide in. and still do.
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Post by paulette on Mar 15, 2012 0:17:47 GMT -6
Welcome Bethabara. Paying attention t one's heart is a good practice. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 1:13:08 GMT -6
Thanks guys, for the kind words and understanding. Really am liking it here, more and more. the main reason I don't post the encounter in main forum posts, is to avoid a google search and possible nutcases...lol. I will share with anyone in private messages. Also, the forum I have been a member of since 2008, is not abductee friendly. Personal encounters are met with ridicule and demands of proof, suggestions of mental illness and such. So I never shared the story outright on the forum. I was sort of underdog champion instead, trying to carefully protect newcomers but also be vigilant in protecting the members from trolls, lol. I have not returned though. I miss many there but the attacks on new comers and believers was getting hard for me. Even people's personal religious beliefs were being mocked and ridiculed and I just had to walk away for a bit. My heart couldn't take it anymore. glad to be here, I am really grateful to Tom for telling me~~ B' I tend to be a bit of a "vigilant" type myself . And in reference to Toms comment about AA (my former husband is an admitted alcoholic) nothing is really anonymous anymore, is it? I believe that the initial intention of AA was to admit, account for oneself, and assist others (and thereby continue to help oneself). I understand about your feelings of the internet search engine. I know that I can punch in "jcurio" and it (the internet) will either go to a post I've made here on teor, or some website selling a 'jcurio barbie'. No foolin'. I also used to only post experiences in PM at another forum, where I met a lot of these great folks. I had already experienced some human forms of harassment both on the internet, and at home, and I imagine I will always have some Ptsd? and some offense type feelings to deal with. Eventually I decided that if I was "going to go down", it was going to be public. As much as I prefer one-on-one conversations, I would rather that a majority tell me I'm unbelievable, than one person. But hey, that's me! Things should not work the opposite/backwards, IMO. (You'll also find me talking publicly about paranoia and having dreams where I can't talk at all because some foreign substance is in my mouth ) I guess really, I don't know how to go about asking you in a PM for your secrets. ;D (P.S. I have studied Bushidokan under an expert, I have a gun larger than a 22, and a big wolf/dog; in that order. Occasionally someone disturbs my peace, but not on a personal level, anymore. )
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Post by Steve on Mar 15, 2012 4:33:01 GMT -6
Thanks 'B' and Tom, It seems we all came here from forums that were not friendly ironically about 'abductees'. It seems silly for these others to imagine exploring one aspect and not the whole phenomenon. So strange. They can only frame a mystery to their own quaint convenient narrow terms. In reality those who ridicule are really deep down themselves scared by having their cozy paradigm challenged. Trolls, 'googles'....and self proclaimed 'authorities' who debunk anything having never investigated anything beyond their own lazy arm chairs. Some of these it even turns out maybe experiencers lying to themselves. In complete and total denial. Any challenge of a mystery, a Mt Everest (and this is one), whether personal or public....has to be challenged on it's own terms, not the explorers. We seem to find each other here because we deep down seem to know that. So we do know..... O brave new world, That has such people in it! The Tempest So if you wish to share, you are more than welcome to share privately. Most do. Steve
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Post by sansseed on Mar 15, 2012 7:36:16 GMT -6
I cannot blame anyone for being cautious about what they share on here or any other forum. Our experiences are deeply personal and not generally excepted in the world. As for me, I'm an introvert by nature and sharing even the most simple things can be hard for me. I sit and debate the cost/gain in my head for some time before I put it out there. I have put some of my experiences on here, but not all. Maybe because I still can't wrap my mind around them. Maybe because I don't think they'll add to the discussion. Mostly because I still don't 100% believe I'm an experiencer, even though I have many of the red flags (dreams, strange marks, missing time).
I came here (and other forums) looking for answers. I cannot say that I've found many answers, mostly more questions. Yet, what I did find are friends.
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