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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2012 18:03:20 GMT -6
I looked over this area the other day on Google Earth. The fake trees are an added feature that somebody installed when making the 3-d image. As time goes on there will be more "fake" images as people continue to add 3-d images. I personally like these additions to Google Earth as it seems to add more realism,,,especially when looking at cities with tall skyscrapers and mountains where it has been added. Hopefully they'll keep the details accurate when creating these features.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 13, 2012 21:02:55 GMT -6
sky, do me a favor? Widen the screen out a bit further and see if you see a small, 2 car-lane bridge. It would be over a mostly dry culvert but on a line with some hillside houses. . . just maybe. . . Gasp What happened on What bridge? I just asked if you could widen out the screen pictures you shared with us ;D. I DON'T KNOW how to manipulate YOUR pictures, LOL. i'm just lookin'. I had a dream that looked like these pics, and just trying to match things up.....just maybe. I didn't 'xpect to make sense to nobody . Tis truly a favor me askin. Oh...that's cool. I thought I missed out on something exciting. I always miss the exciting stuff. I'll see if I can get you a wider photo pronto.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 13, 2012 22:29:58 GMT -6
How's this one, Jc?
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Post by randy on Apr 15, 2012 1:10:50 GMT -6
I always find it interesting to see Novato from the air. One big thing regarding the base is that about 1956 there was a railroad spur line that ran to the hills west end and ended in a big iron like door that I and my friends found following the track to its end. The iron door make great booming noises when we bounced large rocks off of it. I am sure that older air photos of novato would show that spur line which would then show that there was some reason to build the line in the first place besides whimsy. That it went into the hill opens up the whole idea of an underground base there. i am sure that such air photos exist as i recall seeing one once in the Novato Advance newspaper when i was a kid. The tracks were torn up about 1957 and the road bed of the spur line was bulldozed flat with the area being deep plowed to erase all traces of the railroad spur. On top of the hill is where the govt taken over cell phone tower is. The US govt has presense on the hill that is obvious. The U shaped barren area the east leg of the U points to the spot just over the crest of the hill on the north slope to the area where the old landing bay entrance was and the ratty old green house. To the east of the east leg of the U is a curved road going up the hill Right at the top of the hill on the right is a small gully that still had the rock door to the treasure cave where the huge ruby crystals were. Safety note: This door is well protected by a view slot that is at the head of the gully also being in the small gully one is at the mercy of anyone coming on you as they are above you. There may also be a view slot across the gully from the door in a rock outcropping. down the hill just to the west of the road is where the roof of the base was exposed by erosion in small gully You see how close Olive school is to the base also. Looking at the west end of the hill where the rail spur was to the spot where the roof was exposed you get a hint at just how big the base really is in size. Then consider that the spot were the roof was exposed is at a much lower elevation. Welcome to skynet as I call it from the terminator movies. Sleep well tonight they are here and have been since the end of WWII
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 1:44:07 GMT -6
Sleep well tonight they are here and have been since the end of WWII I haven't been able to sleep well since the night they came. Randy, do you think they are still located in this area or perhaps they have moved to another location ? I noticed using the street view feature of Google Earth that at least 2 subdivisions are being built up towards the hillside. Ill try as time permits to look into the local geneological archives and see if there is maps dating back to the 1950's as well as other maps that might be available also. I find this underground rail tunnel that you're speaking of to be interesting and possibly a good lead also . There may also be maps of mining operations from that era available as well.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 15, 2012 13:58:43 GMT -6
If there ever was anything in the area it is probably abandoned or long gone by now. I've been looking over these photos for the past couple of weeks and besides the painted trees that Steve and Cliff both say are added features I really can't find anything unusual about the location. There is a school and a baseball stadium on one side of the hill and a small airport and lake on the other side. There are houses and roads bordering it on all sides and even a few houses up on top of it. There may have been some kind of government installation there in the past but I don't see any evidence of it now...at least not on the surface.
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Post by randy on Apr 17, 2012 0:21:18 GMT -6
the cell phone set up was on top of the hill a few years ago. It is small and given the number of govt palted carryalls that were there painted grey and allowing for equipment in the structure there has to be an under ground part to things or they are sitting in each others laps. I came up hill from the north side and was behind the chain link fence that was incompletely constructed. I was among the carryalls which had plate numbers within a few numbers of each other. The fact that they were all battleship grey may mean military like the navy perhaps. the first helicopter that hovered over us at about 500 ft was also grey and looked like an old model sikorsky often used by the military. The later black LOCH with the machine gun also says US govt or why the machine gun on the skid. It flew over at 10 ft. On the subject of the treasure cave my friends and I first found the gully where the rock door is playing on the hill I was impressed by how the rock outcrop looked like a door to me and I was pounding on it and looking it over carefully. I noted the dirt at its base was flat not sloped up hill like you would think., poking around in the dirt I found a silver disk like a thick silver dollar with deep etching on its surface. At the head of the gully not far away was a flat faced fairly smooth out crop with an over hang of rock above it. Out of the corner of my eye for an instant i thought I saw a window there with some one in it. Oddly PB showed up with the boy that seemed to live in the grey base demanding the coin from me PB lived two houses down from me and both boys were on the team of 4 boys that I have talked about. This situation I felt was dangerous as they were not acting normal but extremely violent in potential. They would have spilled blood to get the coin back. TO me it was just a coin and not worth getting hurt over so I gave it to the boy who lived in the base.. how did he know I had the coin? I have since considered that it opened the door perhaps by stepping on it. on another day we came to the gully and the door was open to a tunnel with rough rock walls and dirt floor. I and my friends entered the tunnel and it branched out one branch going east into the dark and the other going northwest with a lighted room to the side just ahead. Entering the room it was filled with mineral crystals. Large quartz crystals lined shelves on the walls but in the center were huge boulder with giant red crystal sticking out of them that were being excavatd out of the rest of the rock. They were deep red with flat tops and as big as my head in size. My father has started his civilian life after WWII as a jeweler and I knew the red crystals were rubies and worth tens of millions or more each. at this point someone was coming down the tunnel so we hid. After who ever it was had left we took off. No one would believe us about the tunnel of rubies. Again on another day coming to the tunnel area it was open and oddly my sister and the girls she played with were there playing house of all things. I considered making the tunnel a club house to play in and the the afternoon sun was shining into the tunnel making it rather pleasant. I didnt like my sister and the girls being so high up on the hill she was too young to be so far from home. We left and I dont recall ever seeing he tunnel open again. Be nice to have a ruby or two though. The finest blood red in color. Blood could easily become the applied term for going there into the tunnel. Are the greys still there probably why should they leave such a huge investment. True the demographics have changed and to stay hidden they need to adapt but I know locals have seen ghost monks in the night. Put a grey in a monks hooded robes and you have casper the ghost to most people not an alien. Also I have been told that paramilitary type men in plain uniforms have chased people off the hill recently Also while taking a Calif geology class at the college of marin I saw a 1946 geologic map of Marin county and right where the landing bay is the map showed a tunnel symbol with a question mark, looking at the legend the author knew a tunnel was there but not the minerals being mined. Later copies of this map do not shoe the tunnel. some where in all my stuff I have probably that map but the volume of things I have including thousands of books have prevented my finding it yet. The mapping would have been done In WWII when the war would have been cover for building the initial underground structures. Secret war work no comment idea. the railroad spur line would have been handy to haul off the waste rock of the tunneling and to bring in concrete mix and other supplies. You will note that a railroad passes very close to the hills west end today. Rather a rambling discourse but covers some needed things Also DR Bruff at COM had new coast geodedic survey geomagnetic map of Marin county in part and looking at that i was surpriized to see a good anomaly on the hill next to my home. I asked DR Bruff about that and he said that is one ot the things they want me to check out. I never heard any more about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2012 0:46:59 GMT -6
Just cause sometimes crazy stuff happens..if you decide to go lurking about..just be careful please. I can see an urgent message from jail for a bail out because behind door number one was actually some guy shooting 'naughty pics in his basement and you guys crashed in with cameras flashing shouting 'Halt aliens!'
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Post by randy on Apr 17, 2012 23:41:57 GMT -6
The last time I lurked on the hill I was buzzed by an armed helicopter at 10 ft over my head which was intereting but I learned do not get out in the open on a grassy area. I kept the group moving fast changing direction often and and avoitded established paths. Basicly a combat patrol in hostile territory., On the air phots you can see the huge water tank put in at the time I moved into the area in the 1950s It is in the west arm of the barren U shaped area in the photo right at the top of the arm The large water pipe going up the hill is not at the tank but about 300 ft awat from it. No visable reason for it to go up the hill. The trench was not filled in all the way and we could hear water running in the pipe Refering back to the railroad spur line I and my friends as kids did not know where it went so we followed the tracks., At first it looked like the track ended at a rock face with a cattle pen to the north of the track. then things got wierd for a minute and i lost my balance and the iron door was visable instead of the rock face. Unable to open the door we bounced rocks off it for the booming noise it made. looking back up the track i saw a strange looking boy like figure lurking in the cattle pen area, Shortly after this I got tired of things as did my friends so we left. later on in life I realized the boy like figure was probably a grey checking out the pounding on the door. Greys were at the time very brassy about walking around in the open in the day light. once driving with my parents on Atherton as a kid I looked up on the hill and saw a grey out in the open in full day light walking on a path along the hillside. I could not figure out how a kid could have such a big head at the time It was as I recall obviously a well travelled path Where it could have lead I dont know. It is possible that the greys controlled all the locals and had them conditioned not to see in effect them walking around Such a sight would not register in the brain. idea. Since my mother accidently photographed a UFO taking off from the hill such events were likely common and again perhaps the locals just did not register these take offs and landings in their brains
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Post by randy on Apr 19, 2012 11:49:03 GMT -6
One interesting aspect of things is the number of times that marin county and SF appear in alien movies. the x files had an episode in marin co as I recall involving killer children I think then there was a note too successful movie about aliens at the Marin co civic center. where the large UFO tend to hover in low at times as seen by me and later by my sister and her family ON another date. Finally a film was made about aliens contolling the officials in UFO and underground tunnels and labs. i mention these epics of film because it could be that the writers are vaguely aware of reality and express their memories in film I beleive George Lucas has interests in marin county as part of his film making creating critters there. it could also be that like the civic center film it is black propaganda put out to mislead people and to cause them to say oh you saw that old movie not anything real. My concept of the grey influence naturally extending out to SF and from there to DC is again played on in a low grade film Perhaps to confuse the public about what is being talked about. or as alternative the writer vaugely knew something and used the media to express it It is perfectly logical that having established local control of the leadership around the base they would expand that control over time as far as they could with SF being a logical target. Since people work up such controlled people can be in DC today making subtle changes to favor the greys long term goals
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 19, 2012 18:40:31 GMT -6
Marin County has a few film "factories", they specialise in computer generated special effects.
Nice google pics. The fake trees and fake cabin, etc, are a bit bizarre, maybe someone is trying to hide their crop of dubious weed?
The only way to truly find out if there are underground structures would be with ground penetrating radar such as they use in archeology. That's not likely to happen, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 20:56:09 GMT -6
Most likely not..but it sure would be interesting huh???
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 20, 2012 4:18:25 GMT -6
Most interesting, indeed.
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 20, 2012 20:45:15 GMT -6
Though I do not discount your experiences I have to say that seeing a grey walking around in broad daylight is a strange thing to think is really happening...can you imagine? Just casually strolling along as you watch him??? Seems bizarre to say the least. What I know of the grey buggers they tend to be rather sneaky in their actions and movements. idk. Really interesting read though. And again I'm not saying your lying, just that this type of thing really blows my mind.
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Post by ufo4peace on Apr 20, 2012 21:57:33 GMT -6
This is troll bunk IMO. The guy could just point out the location instead of the story telling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 23:20:27 GMT -6
UFO for Peace. You may think any darn thing you like but you keep it civil in here please. NO one has any proof of UFO's or aliens or abductions or encounters and yet...here we are. If you think it's bunk..terrific that is your right but we don't need to be told you think it is. If you want to be here, be kind please and we'll be happy to have you You have not a shred of proof that Randy's tale is not true. So..it remains a possibility along with all the others
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Post by auntym on Apr 21, 2012 0:45:19 GMT -6
GOODBYE UFO4PEACE...
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Post by CitizenK on Apr 21, 2012 1:16:55 GMT -6
I personally would rather hear the story than just be pointed to a location...what good is the location if you don't know the history or story behind it? (shrugs) I just don't understand some people...
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 21, 2012 1:43:29 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 15:34:40 GMT -6
This is troll bunk IMO. The guy could just point out the location instead of the story telling. ******************************************** [glow=purple,2,300] GOODBYE UFO4PEACE[/glow] ********************************************
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Post by auntym on Apr 21, 2012 15:45:21 GMT -6
UFO4PEACE... I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO LET YOU BACK ON HERE ... BUT, I'M ALLOWED TO DELETE YOUR ACCT THE NEXT TIME YOU OFFEND SOMEONE ON THIS FORUM...
WITH THE CRAP YOU PUT ON HERE THE PAST 2 DAYS CONSIDER THIS YOUR 1st AND ONLY WARNING....THERE WILL BE NO MORE WARNINGS... THE NEXT TIME I DELETE YOUR ACCT PERMANENTLY... AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT...
I'M WATCHING YOU...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 18:11:54 GMT -6
UFO4PEACE... I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO LET YOU BACK ON HERE ... BUT, I'M ALLOWED TO DELETE YOUR ACCT THE NEXT TIME YOU OFFEND SOMEONE ON THIS FORUM...
WITH THE CRAP YOU PUT ON HERE THE PAST 2 DAYS CONSIDER THIS YOUR 1st AND ONLY WARNING....THERE WILL BE NO MORE WARNINGS... THE NEXT TIME I DELETE YOUR ACCT PERMANENTLY... AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT...
I'M WATCHING YOU... I look forward to Auntym deleting your account too!
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Post by randy on Apr 21, 2012 23:53:08 GMT -6
I have never made a secret of where the base is located. Go look if you want to but accept the risk involved. As a kid I had the chance to visit the surgery lab in the base. It was separated from the training area by a very thick heavy wine colored curtain. The remaining wall of the lab were naturally a U shpae. On the legs of the U black top oak cabinets existed with very high glass cabinets above them. Nothing was in the glass cabinects. in the center of the base of the U was a oak cabinet with glass windows with crumpled news paper on the bottom and some thing was in the cabinet among the news paper but I never saw what it was. Two white ceramic tables were in the center of the room with a yellow green chest of drawers between them. over all exactly like the labs at college of Marin that i saw in the biology dept. ominous was that the lab was so close to where the kids were trained to work for the greys and that the curtain was about an inch thick and wine colored. Screams were muffled and the wine color was like dried blood in color. Twice they hauled me into that lab and did surgery on me with out pain killers. pain met nothing to them at all. some how they puffed up my stomach and piled my organs on top of my stomach. What this was for I have no idea. the boy who always seemed to be in the base was there laughing and mocking me. Afterwards there was a scratch on my side for a while and is oozed a clear liguid. In 5th grade for about a month I had severe stomach pain but it cleared up finally.. Later in life a doctor told me my right kidney is in backwards but it seems to be functioning OK. what is really spooky is that for a while as a kid I thought I saw my stomach move at times. Generally speaking I cannot recommend having this procedure if you have a choice in the matter. for pure terror it cant be beat. Some kind of altering things went on there.
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Post by randy on Apr 22, 2012 0:11:58 GMT -6
As a kid the landing bay tunnel entrance was just over the crest of the hill on the north side. Above the gully where the tunnel was there was a black box cemented into the ground at a right angle to the axis of the gully. The box was about 10 ft long, 30 in wide and 24 in high. not knowing what it was or really what it was made of we often sat on it and relieved our selves on it as well. Today the black box is gone but there was some neting from artificial turf there which would indicate they tried to cover up the bare spot when it was removed. in the gully was a flat rock face with two piezometers at its base. nothing around but some cares enough to check the water level in the ground at the base of the rock face. Why? It is supposed to be wild hillside. the ratty old green house that served as an entrance to the base is gone replaced by a modern expensive home that lacks the little things of being lived in. NO toys for kids or dog dish or a tool left out from gardening. some old water pipe exist though. the green house poor by even 1930a depression standards would be totally out of place among the newer expensive homes in the area so it is gone with the changing demographics in the area. Novato when I lived there as a kid had horses in the streets commonly and the restaurant we commonly ate at had a hitching rail in the parking lot that was used. one witness to the base that I have second hand information on easily cross hwy 101 to get to the hill and recalls caverns there. Now traffic on 101 is much heavier. Things change but I am certain the greys are still home
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Post by randy on Apr 22, 2012 23:50:12 GMT -6
i should mention that I am not worried about UFo4peace or any other critics as they cant change reality by one atom. it would be nice if they could do that but no such luck
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Post by ufo4peace on Apr 25, 2012 16:43:52 GMT -6
IMO if you believe in freedom of speech or expression you shouldn't jump the gun and ban people unless things get a bit personal or there are death threats.
This place claimed it was different than UFO Mania but it's just the polar opposite. If someone doesn't go along with the fringe or let me top a story more sensational than my last one here comes the lynch mob. Let's get up in arms over the word "kool-aid" now. Or offending someone will get you banned.
Places like this only trivialize the subject matter and only support debunkers arguments against the UFO community. That's the sad part.
Some people get so addicted to lying and story telling that they can't stop and it takes on a life of its own. Critical thinking goes out the window and it degenerates from there.
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Post by pigswillfly on Apr 25, 2012 18:39:52 GMT -6
Sorry you feel that way. Strange thing is that I've known most of these members for years and their stories don't change.
It doesn't matter how an experiencer approaches the topic, debunkers will always debunk, I don't particularly care if 99% of readers don't believe me, I know what happened to me and I'm grateful to have a handful of people who will discuss it respectfully. You may not be insulted if compared to a kool-aid drinking troll, but you would be one in a million. It's just not polite behaviour and if you can't recognise that I think you have a bigger problem than me.
I for one hope you keep posting, I like to read different points of view and if I don't agree with you it doesn't matter. It would be a boring old world if everybody held the same opinions.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Apr 25, 2012 18:44:07 GMT -6
IMO if you believe in freedom of speech or expression you shouldn't jump the gun and ban people unless things get a bit personal or there are death threats. This place claimed it was different than UFO Mania but it's just the polar opposite. If someone doesn't go along with the fringe or let me top a story more sensational than my last one here comes the lynch mob. Let's get up in arms over the word "kool-aid" now. Or offending someone will get you banned. Places like this only trivialize the subject matter and only support debunkers arguments against the UFO community. That's the sad part. Some people get so addicted to lying and story telling that they can't stop and it takes on a life of its own. Critical thinking goes out the window and it degenerates from there. I do believe in freedom of speech and I agree that people should not jump the gun and ban people unnecessarily...which is why you are still allowed to come here. I keep hoping that you will take part in our forum and make a positive contribution, which I know you could do if you wanted to. Unfortunately, you already made things personal a long time ago when you started harassing and antagonizing some of the members. Now there are a lot of people who think that you are a trouble causing troll who deliberately starts arguments just for the fun of it. I personally don't think that but some other people do. As the administrator here it is my duty to look after the well being of the forum. I can't just sit by and watch one person spread discord and hostility by starting arguments, insulting people and making everybody angry. There is no reason for that. I don't want this forum to degenerate into a mud-slinging shouting match like MUFON and Ufomania did. Those forums no longer exist because of it. All I have ever asked the people here to do is get along with one another and treat each other with respect. That's all I am asking you to do. I don't think that is too much to ask. If you can do that then you will always be welcome here. If not, than you won't be. It's your decision.
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Post by ufo4peace on Apr 26, 2012 1:00:07 GMT -6
IMO if you believe in freedom of speech or expression you shouldn't jump the gun and ban people unless things get a bit personal or there are death threats. This place claimed it was different than UFO Mania but it's just the polar opposite. If someone doesn't go along with the fringe or let me top a story more sensational than my last one here comes the lynch mob. Let's get up in arms over the word "kool-aid" now. Or offending someone will get you banned. Places like this only trivialize the subject matter and only support debunkers arguments against the UFO community. That's the sad part. Some people get so addicted to lying and story telling that they can't stop and it takes on a life of its own. Critical thinking goes out the window and it degenerates from there. I do believe in freedom of speech and I agree that people should not jump the gun and ban people unnecessarily...which is why you are still allowed to come here. I keep hoping that you will take part in our forum and make a positive contribution, which I know you could do if you wanted to. Unfortunately, you already made things personal a long time ago when you started harassing and antagonizing some of the members. Now there are a lot of people who think that you are a trouble causing troll who deliberately starts arguments just for the fun of it. I personally don't think that but some other people do. As the administrator here it is my duty to look after the well being of the forum. I can't just sit by and watch one person spread discord and hostility by starting arguments, insulting people and making everybody angry. There is no reason for that. I don't want this forum to degenerate into a mud-slinging shouting match like MUFON and Ufomania did. Those forums no longer exist because of it. All I have ever asked the people here to do is get along with one another and treat each other with respect. That's all I am asking you to do. I don't think that is too much to ask. If you can do that then you will always be welcome here. If not, than you won't be. It's your decision. Skywalker, have some backbone. Don't let the inmates run the asylum and turn this place into Lord Of The Flies for thr BSers of the world. Here's freedom of speech. Let's say someone is an a**hole. The best thing to do is walk the other way. If someone filps you off in traffic are you going to call the cops and accuse them of assault? Of course not that would be frivolous. So you don't like what I post even though I've always been this way on MUFON or eleswhere. Just ignore me. Maybe add an ignore function.
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Post by ufo4peace on Apr 26, 2012 1:16:08 GMT -6
Sorry you feel that way. Strange thing is that I've known most of these members for years and their stories don't change. It doesn't matter how an experiencer approaches the topic, debunkers will always debunk, I don't particularly care if 99% of readers don't believe me, I know what happened to me and I'm grateful to have a handful of people who will discuss it respectfully. You may not be insulted if compared to a kool-aid drinking troll, but you would be one in a million. It's just not polite behaviour and if you can't recognise that I think you have a bigger problem than me. I for one hope you keep posting, I like to read different points of view and if I don't agree with you it doesn't matter. It would be a boring old world if everybody held the same opinions. Fortean Times Magazine | Weird News | Strange Pictures | VideosIf someone always has a bizarre or unusual claim chances are they are lying. In Randy's case I could tell right away he's not being serious just by looking at his writing. Now that being said, if you enjoy paranormal fantasy writing then starting a tabloid like a National Enquirer magazine for the paranormal wouldn't be a bad idea. The Fortean Times is a famous one.
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