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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 9:49:03 GMT -6
There are dozens of possibilities of what or who the 'grey's' are. They might be inter-dimensional beings..traveling through doorways..popping in and out of 'worlds' sampling them all. They might be the constructed beings of a race that can't physically travel. They might be space travelers or or own timeline ancestors.. I favor the inter-dimensional idea because it's easier than the rigors of long distance space travel. Sort of like a garage door opener..push a button and a rent opens up in the fabric (or strings) between worlds and presto...pop into the civilization of your choice. As long as we keep open minds..anything is possible and probably is
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Post by randy on Jun 27, 2012 22:54:19 GMT -6
keeping an open mind is vital. I have initially dismissed some things as unimportant then learned later as memories came back to me the events others discribed made sense. One person discribed a dark shadow that they were following through the dark that rippled over the ground. At first I felt maybe a little too much partying was involved but later I recalled the black area at the foot of my bed at night like empty void. Grabbing a pistol and pointing it at the void it ran out of the room. It was a grey who controlled what I was seeing. Right in front of me I could only see a black void where it was. My mind was that controlled by them. I laughed alot at the time that for once I scared the grey instead. All UFO alien events are strange and out of the ordinary and need an open mind to judge what happened.
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Post by charles on Jun 29, 2012 3:13:07 GMT -6
Hi all! JC - what flavour ice cream do you think they should have ;D ;D ?? If my memory serves me correctly (don't ask my wife - she'd say what darn memory ;D ;D !!) I believe it to have been strawberry - which then makes me immediately dislike them!! Had it been mint choc chip however....... ;D ;D !! Randy - the idea of greys being humans from the future could be a compelling reason why they abduct people, the majority of whom they seem to give a mind flip to as a way of discrediting the abductee which in turn then ensures the greys presence isn't that closely looked for. It could be that those whom you had dealings with in Novato would have had yourself & others in, almost openly, to place their agenda in to society. It could be they are playing the long game in making inroads to altering our DNA & society in very subtle and slow ways that make us totally accepting of whatever life may hold for us. One thing I have noticed in this thread and others in which Randy has posted is that Randy (& JC, I know you were joking with your post as quoted below) ARe the greys us come back in time. Are they genetically altered humans from the future? Just an idea This would be a good time for Charles to come in and talk about their propensity for ice cream! ;D ;D is (& Randy, please feel free to, and do, correct me if I've got my understanding here wrong) at a point where his knowledge, belief & faith in them is as strong as it always was, just he's hit a time where he's re-evaluating what he knows to be true and trying to see if other options or points of view may help tie some of the, not necessarily 'loose ends', but perhaps threads together in a coherent manner that makes even more sense to him. A kind of checking my original arrived at outcome was right because if I look at it from several ways it's still the same outcome. Right, my brain hurts now, so time to go & inhale some noxious fumes from the bathroom cleaning fluids! Why is it that pine & ocean breeze seem to be the only fragrances which leave a nice aroma and don't send you totally high whilst using them ;D ;D ?? TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 8:17:08 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 10:12:57 GMT -6
OMG a secret 'pine' scent whiffer..that stuff'll cook your brain cells Charles Well..the one thing we have are plenty of theories and why not..I'll betcha one of them is right or several of them partially so
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 12:56:06 GMT -6
No wonder your brain hurts! You're ALWAYS cleaning! ;D (I've always said its harder to be the one who "stays home")
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Post by randy on Jun 30, 2012 0:16:00 GMT -6
One must always consider different causes for the same effect. Getting stuck on on idea limits yourself from the start. the greys exist since I have slugged them why they exist can have a variety of explinations. i have felt they could be slowly altering our DNA to end up in the end with greys and no humans. possibly they want docile servants. No labor problems Humans can learn to do low level work easily enough I did as a kid. Breeding can be controlled to keep humans in line. Just enough to do the work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2012 9:29:38 GMT -6
I agree with being willing to accept alternative ideas. Whatever they're up to I'm sure we'll eventually know. I don't think there's a 'take-over' in progress because there are other races here..not just grey's and according to Steve's 'Han'...the grey's are frowned on by the others for their 'experiments'. It seems sometimes more questions arise than are answered. I don't think they would be allowed to make the planet their own still you would think...that so called 'friendly' races would put an end to their abductions and experiments but they seem to ignore it like it's just june bug season or something.
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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2012 0:12:52 GMT -6
I have mostly seen greys and had the most dealings with them. I feel that they are intertwined with me in my life. I did see a wookie like critter that was held by the greys for some reason that only wanted to get away from them. How this hairy beastie fits into things i dont know. Where did it come from? Was it from a subject people of the greys used for labor and for security? It seemed to be fairly civilized and not just a dumb brute. The wookie could be the reason people see the big foot here and there. It could be used to scare people out of an area where the greys are doing something they dont want interrupted. The wookie looked to be part grey in that the eyes are the same as a grey. It could be a hybrid created by the greys on another planet with another intelligent species. i had no trouble in talking with it telepathically and interestingly enough John who was present didnot seem to understand a thing we said. Why?
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Post by randy on Jul 19, 2012 0:07:09 GMT -6
Since it is possible that greys can influence what we do, can we influence them a reversing of the process. could we take over a worker grey and cause them to come to us and be filmed or captured. I know that at times I seem to be briefly in touch with the greys with them asking me something in a very short question and some times I think I get through to them. As I have posted elsewhere I spent time working on a house rehabing it and after a few weeks it seemed the greys wanted to know if I had moved since I was there alot. Probably the best way to get the greys to some to me is to do something odd. Previously it took six weeks camping in the Mojave desert in a college summer field class in geology or working on the north slope of Alaska for two years. They will come to check things out. When I moved to my current home in the woods of Oregon one nieghbor said she saw a UFO flying low down our small valley and an old couple north of me talked about seeing a tank truck in the woods near my home at times. A landed UFO could be considered a tank truck seen in the trees partly hidden. I dont know why they would have such an interest in me unless I do something at some point that imfluences bigger things
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Post by randy on Jul 26, 2012 0:47:08 GMT -6
I have been behind the times in some areas but I have learned Feinstein is head of the senate intelligence committee Since she came from San Francisco city govt she could be under the influence of the greys. Why would they not have her controlled? It is a logical move for them. Consider what she has clearance for and shudder. I have no positive proof she is controlled but they would not have ignored her either
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 2:05:41 GMT -6
I have been behind the times in some areas but I have learned Feinstein is head of the senate intelligence committee Since she came from San Francisco city govt she could be under the influence of the greys. Why would they not have her controlled? It is a logical move for them. Consider what she has clearance for and shudder. I have no positive proof she is controlled but they would not have ignored her either They might not be controlling her- but she has perhaps had "meetings" with them... a lot of people speak about the tall grays meeting with political figures... like the tall ones I saw...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 13:04:53 GMT -6
I honestly don't believe anyone is under anyone else's influence..grey's included. It's one thing to be interested in UFO's and abductions..it's another to see human take-overs. Next thing you know every nut on the block will be wearing a tin foil hat and trying to shoot senators they think are puppets. Our population reacts in very 'passionate' ways sometimes...I'd hate to give anyone a reason to push the line of sanity or endanger politicians. Abductions seem to center more around individuals and their subsequent families..which seems more on a personal level rather than a public one..I've never had the urge to run for political office and if they are influencing my life..they have absolutely no imagination at all ;D IMO
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Post by skywalker on Jul 26, 2012 17:46:46 GMT -6
Politicians don't need excuses for why they make the stupid decisions that they do...it's just based on their political ideology. When a person believes in something that is a failure it is going to be a failure no matter what they do. Doing it anyway just makes them bad political leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 21:07:30 GMT -6
Exactly! People..not just politicians make bad decisions..or their wouldn't be parents who beat their children or criminals or people who wear bombs and kill others for the sake of a God who would detest that action. No one needs a reason or an alien influence to be stupid.
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Post by randy on Aug 1, 2012 0:40:16 GMT -6
remember that as a kid I was specifically asked who locally in the area around the base should be subverted. EAch meeting of the team of four boys he asked does anyone know we are here, does anyone suspect we are here and then who should they take over. Being a kid I was limited in who to suggest but I did in fact suggest people one of whom now owns alot of land in marin Co. I was right about him. My father was active in the JR JCs, the VFW and the horsemens association. he knew alot of people and through him I knew them. They really did subvert people as policy. they had plans obviously. marin is full of wealthy powerful people. SF is just across the Golden Gate bridge and from there DC. I know they did that because I helped them do it. i also know they can make people into what ever they want them to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 22:46:10 GMT -6
As responsible people, we have to be careful about claims that certain politicians have been 'subverted' by aliens..considering we have no proof of it.
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Post by randy on Aug 2, 2012 0:03:30 GMT -6
I understand your position perfectly. having lived the process of selecting people for subversion i probably was not the only one over time who was asked this question about who to take over. i see things from my narrow view point but over time many more kids were probably taken into the fold after me that I am not aware of on the surface at least. It is a touchy subject to be sure. I and the other boys making up the 4 were not their to play bridge. We had a future purpose fo some sort. Interestingly LH who was in the base with me and when he joined the army some areas of training were closed to him due the area he came from. why was that?
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Post by randy on Sept 23, 2012 0:04:41 GMT -6
Of the kids in my area one went to the Air Force academy and another went to Annapolis These kids became men high up in our military, As humans we see things from a human perspective and want results in a few years at most. Greys may have much longer life spans and are content to let decades pass in the slow evolution of their plans. rather like skynet in the terminator movies slowly forming a web of control over human society by little long term changes in things. Only the leaders would have to be controlled the rest of society would blindly follow them. As akid the greys were not interested in contolling the milkman but rather the people with power All these years they have been free to pick off people with power these people are probably organized in a plan by the greys to take control of earth or else why pick them off and control them
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Post by paulette on Sept 23, 2012 13:07:06 GMT -6
Well I guess but I just don't know. (line out of some song in the sixties).
Today this all sounds crazy and paranoid. I'd guess that alot of what is talked about here is misperception - and YES I'M WILLING TO INCLUDE MYSELF in this process.
However, as Randy says above somewhere (in talking about hearing the couple next to him mention the name Randy...) The advice he was given was, "If you think it happened, it probably happened."
That might not be true ALL THE TIME. But its bound to be true (love that phrase - it actually means, statistically speaking, it will be some part of the outcome...)SOME OF THE TIME. Which means (IMO) that some of the pictures are blimps, planes whose wings don't show, faked pictures....and some are not.
Therefore some of our dreams, night time experiences, things glimpsed, missing time, etc etc are most likely real. Anything that lasts as long as the belief in visitors has lasted (and in all significant cultures and times) cannot be a passing mental aberration. IMO.
Of course, the question is: Which ones are real?
At first the answer is: None. Then: All. Now I'm at: hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I had a terrible nightmare last night. My husband woke up and automatically held me and soothed me. I was being tortured (I won't get into it). Other people were being drowned to near death, revived and drowned again. Yes I've read about Quantanamo and the practises there. I certainly never saw this (OK - maybe in a movie I just realized). I never saw what happening to me in my dream in any movie. I'm willing to believe that there is no reality in it. I pretty well have to if I'm going to show up in my waking life. I did wonder if I was having sleep apnea and couldn't breathe...
Hope I don't step on any toes with this. It's just where I'm at right now....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 6:48:31 GMT -6
. . . I never saw what happening to me in my dream in any movie. I'm willing to believe that there is no reality in it. I pretty well have to if I'm going to show up in my waking life. I did wonder if I was having sleep apnea and couldn't breathe... "I pretty well have to if I'm going to show up in my waking life" Uh Huh. I'm sorry that you have these nightmares.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 6:57:20 GMT -6
As responsible people, we have to be careful about claims that certain politicians have been 'subverted' by aliens..considering we have no proof of it. And, how would we prove it? Some sort of "blood test"? If we go to burn a certain politician at the stake, will he or she suddenly be rescued by "their alien brothers"? I agree, that as responsible people, we should not name any names of ANY suspects. Speaking blatant untruths can lead to someone, somewhere believing them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 23:21:05 GMT -6
The keyword is 'responsible'. To accuse anyone of being under an 'alien' influence without a shred of proof is lunacy. We don't even have proof they are on this planet...let alone that they have any concourse with people. What we 'fantasize' or visualize or hypothesize doesn't constitute reality. Although I've known a few people so strange I'd swear they were 'alien' ;D They were mostly my own relatives
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2012 0:36:19 GMT -6
I think we should burn ALL of the politicians just to be on the safe side JC... ;D > ~evil laughter~
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Post by randy on Sept 26, 2012 11:36:30 GMT -6
We have different views on the subject of greys. Back in Mufon days I talked another witness to the grey base in Novato into coming on the mufon forum under the name "Enigma" That persons spouse is dead set against going public in any way since he is a public figure. The mufon forum did not react well over all with attacks against Enigma who no longer wants to take the risk of being on any forum. Having slugged greys in fights with them I have good reason to believe they are real. the kid who killed himself because he had been taken over by aliens and could not handle it is a good witness as to reality, Such is reality
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Post by randy on Sept 26, 2012 12:13:56 GMT -6
I have found some pictures I took of the hill where the base is located that show the Piezometers at the head of a gully in the middle of now where and the cell phone tower that the govt took over with vehicles out side it. How do I go about getting the pictures attached to what I post. Still looking for the photo of the helicopter that was there. the piezometers are probably where the old landing bay entrance was. That was probably covered over do to increased population density in the area since I was a kid. some where there is also film of that trip shows the netting of artificial turf on the ground where the black box like thing was at the head of the landing bay gully. the box was probably a navigation aid for landing and take off. Why apply turf in the middle of a wild hill side unless you are covering up a secret excavation. Still working on getting the photo of me and my sister in halloween costume in our front yard in the mid 1950s with a UFO taking off in the back ground. Old relative has it and cant find it yet
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Post by randy on Oct 12, 2012 0:22:24 GMT -6
first try at this was erased. just disappeared. I am sure that everyone has seen on TV or on stage acts that used hypnosis to amuse people with post hypnotic suggestion Accepting this then an advanced civilization can have advanced means of the same thing controlling people and in general being able to interfer at will in their lives. Possibley done by combining hypnosis and an implant they are a hard combo to beat but it can be done at least briefly. You can take back control by will power. you have to be a block head to do it. I have been interested in my own experiences and have tended not to consider that many other people by now have been taken into the Novato base and taken over as I was. As a kid when one of the team of four boys was taling about how he has set up an abduction event at a football bonfire rally along Atherton Ave I never considered afterwards that the lewed acting girls used to draw off boys into the dark for abduction were controlled by the greys I never saw them in the base as they would have been older girls than me but they were none the less conrolled by the greys. Over time thousands of people have probably been taken over and controlled As a side issue I clearly recall the boy above saying his father was a prof at Stanford at the time. they must have records of who they employed at the time. would be tie in of data I also recall a series of grim murders of young women at stanford of the jack the ripper type of killings i dont know if the killer was ever caught.
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Post by randy on Nov 27, 2012 1:09:12 GMT -6
Since the grey base was/is where I said it is it is totally logical that the greys control the local population. By accident by this time they would have exposed themselves to public view unless the locals are programed to ignore things they see. a relative has a photo of me and my sister on the front lawn of our home in novato taken us in our halloween costumes in the mid 1950s In the back ground is the hill with a UFO taking off. I recall my mother at the time saying that she just saw a UFO but it was gone fast and when I turned around nothing was there. Naturally my relative cant find he photo which is a great source of frustration for me. One little instamatic photo could prove it all. arguhhhh. how many such take offs were seen over the years and ignored by the locals must number in the tens or thousands. when I was on the hill with friends I found I was viewing my friends as outsiders who did not belong to the inner circle of those in the know. I was fighting with a view point that they should not be told of things that I saw around me and recognized. I saw the door to the ruby cave and keep it secret in a complex mental fight to expose the base vs protecting the base. Besides I knew that they would want to stop and explore the door and the greys would nail us if we stopped moving for long. Walking on the hill I avoided paths and gates in the fences natural ambush points. i changed direction in walking often anything to confuse people trying to ambush us. i avoided clearings in the trees and stayed under cover. the LOCH helicopter that buzzed us got us in a small clearing. It passed low and fast a photo op probably as we looked up like a bunch of timmies from out of town. A black unmarked LOCH like that armed with a machine gun on a skid is not a toy used for pleasure flying. they are there and they are watching
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 0:23:37 GMT -6
I get the distinct impression that you are protected, Randy. Think of other people that have shared tidbits of experiences like yours, and lived to be bullied and ridiculed for parts of their lives. For whatever reason, they ignored the voice that told them "not to share" their weird information.
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Post by randy on Dec 2, 2012 1:58:58 GMT -6
I have wondered why on earth I was trained to blow up cities on the learning screens. At first I would fire a weapon down a street and that was the extent of it. I did not like the cartoon images of explosions and rib cages flying through the air. It was too gory for me. then one day I was ticked about something and switched to attacking a crudely done city sky line in the scene. I blew up buildings but they reassembled again that also irritated me so I really went to work blowing up everything in sight and I found that by will power I could make the buildings stay blown up ruins. This seemed to mipress the greys who put me in touch with an old female grey that was not in the base. I talked with her a couple of times and I know she was old because she had wrinkles around her mouth. She was some kind of leader but exactly what we talked about I dont recall. We talked on a lumpy looking machine the size of a VW bug. There was a small shelf on one corner and a small screen there exactly where in the base the machine is I gont recall yet. I have mentioned the team of four boys that was formed and how we met often to talk with a leader named John. Why the team and why the learning screens all puzzles to me right now. I am getting older and since I have not blown up any cities why teach me to do it? I used to dream of being in Paris for some reason but I do not know why since I dont even speak French, I dont bully well and I dont care if people know about the greys. it is to big to worry about self
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