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Post by randy on Jun 9, 2012 23:47:58 GMT -6
Doing some mega thinking and arm waving a while back I had an interesting idea crop up that maybe some one would like to comment on. If at the end of WWII we had contact with the greys since we were a nuclear power the military would have been scared to death and want to arm the country with the most powerful weapons we had being nuclear weapons. Good idea since even the greys can be vaporized by such things. The problem was how to pay for it. How do you get the money as tax increases to arm without alarming the citizens. Then there was the problem of protecting not just the US but the world. Mighty big problems They needed an outside threat but not the greys. We could arm against the human outside threat and the public would fund the weapons if handled correctly. hence the cold war with Russia. the Russians would be in on things at high military levels they too could point to a threat and arm themselves with nuclear weapons. Each side could point to the other and say it was their fault. humanity armed its self on a huge scale. The potential for total destruction of the world evolved. We had a trump card in the power game with the greys. We could kill the earth. Over time this power has been thrown away Once we had over 31,000 nuclear weapons now we have 1200 and that is be reduced to 300 according to the new plan. Our military raw power is seeping away. the greys are not going to be impressed with a hand full of jet fighters. According to the new plan no fighters will be available to defend Calif from attack. If attacked they will have to wait 24 hrs for help to arrive in the air. War canoes from Figi would be free from air attack let alone the greys. I think that it is possible that the whole cold war was a cover for arming the world against the greys. Over time people die off and are replaced by people not in the know and with starry Ideals of peace. Why we really armed has been lost over time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 0:24:24 GMT -6
No..the cold war wasn't a fake.
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Post by charles on Jun 10, 2012 9:53:32 GMT -6
Hi all! Randy - thank you for posting your thoughts on this ! I must say that IMO, for the most part, I agree with Jo. The cold war was a real and distinct threat to the stability of the planet. To me, the sheer knowledge that MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) was on the cards kept both sides (and their satellite regimes around the globe) fairly well in check. Yes there were odd blips here & there where confrontation manifested itself, but on the whole it didn't spread and remained contained in limited areas of conflict. However I would not rule out an element of truth in what you're suggesting. I think you will find that if you look into most major conflicts there is (diplomatically) a back channel between both sides that allows both sides to save face in public whilst ironing out differences in the background. This could be the kind of show of a united front against a shared threat (which then falls neatly into the Reagan/Gorbachev comment about uniting if the world was threatened by ET) The other thing that I think of with your suggestion is that there is a school of thought that follows the line of the Vietnam war being a weaponry testing ground for both sides of the ideological divide in the best field test of all - real-time combat. Okay, that's me done for now! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 10:49:02 GMT -6
Charles..what a diplomat you'd make Actually they'd hate you because you're honest We have double-dealing/switch-hitting politicians who manipulate to suit income. It's a fact that wars escalate when the economy flags..and I'm sorry to say it's the U.S that is the front runner in economic politics...I hate that. We don't help the countries of the world because of moral obligation but because of greed. We're lucky we had a strong president at the time but fate has a way of providing key components to move the time line in the direction necessary. Good grief I sound like I'm channeling Gandhi Um...I'm done before I embarrass myself
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Post by skywalker on Jun 10, 2012 12:07:13 GMT -6
There were probably a lot of behind the scenes reasons for the cold war. Making money off of the sale of the arms trade was one. The politicians would get involved in wars all over the world with the US selling arms to one side while the Soviets were selling arms to the other and both were making huge amounts of money. Then there is the political idiologies that were involved with free market capitalism on one side and central controlled communism on the other, and both trying to spread their influence over the world. It could also have just been a case where each country was trying to out do the other for bragging rights. A little known fact that many people probably don't know is that right after WW2 when the US had nuclear weapons and was doing above ground testing and the USSR was still working on their nuclear program the Soviets actually approached the US with an offer of peace. They wanted to sign a treaty right then and there that would eliminate all nuclear weapons and stop any more from being built. The US answer was to detonate an even bigger bomb than they ever had before as a show of strength. The Soviets then went home and continued with their own nuclear program and the arms race was on. That was the beginning of the cold war. I wonder how different the world would be right now if people would have just talked to each other instead of just blowing things up? I suppose the idea that Randy proposed about the countries arming themselves to ward off an alien invasion could have been a possibility too. If that were true though, and if the countries are now getting rid of their nukes, does that mean the governments are now in cahoots with the aliens? Just something to think about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 1:12:14 GMT -6
I'd rather think that mankind is finally trying to grow up.
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Post by bewildered on Jun 12, 2012 9:35:42 GMT -6
The Cold War was quite the reality. Having been in the U.S. military close to the end of that period (I got out prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union and reunification of Germany), my job was mostly focused upon anti-Soviet measures. Such measures were part and parcel of my training.
As to the reality pointed out by skywalker: agreed. There was great profit to be made from endless war across the globe, and back then, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were strange bedfellows indeed. Each profited from the other's menace. These days, the Chinese have stepped up to fill the vacuum left in the wake of the fall of the former Soviet Union, while the United States continues onward with a much more robust military-industrial complex. Saber-rattling is the standard of every U.S. administration since Nixon.
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Post by bewildered on Jun 12, 2012 9:40:30 GMT -6
I suppose the idea that Randy proposed about the countries arming themselves to ward off an alien invasion could have been a possibility too. If that were true though, and if the countries are now getting rid of their nukes, does that mean the governments are now in cahoots with the aliens? Just something to think about. I have a different take on that scenario, sky. A threat from space is the next logical step beyond the current terrorism scenario that consumes most societies in the present day. It's nothing more than a play on people's fears and insecurities. As long as people are terrified, there will be a market for arms; and as long as there's some kind of war going on, the psychopaths will pocket the profits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 16:29:17 GMT -6
Agrees..the next thing to intimidate or frighten the public with
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Post by randy on Jun 12, 2012 23:56:01 GMT -6
Free your mind of a life time of being told that the Russians were a threat. Only a very few would know the real reason for arming. Most everyone would be falling in line with Russia bad guy ideas and playing the game for real. But we never did go to war with Russia directly. We built huge masses of the best weapons available and trained people to use them but we never did and the the Russians never did. Why. Put your self in the place of the highest military leadership. they were faced with aliens for real and we needed weapons on a massive scale How do you fund them and produce them with out looking to the aliens like you are arming against them thus provoking a first strike. You produce another threat that you have to arm against. At the end of WWI Germany and Russia banned together to develop new ideas in war. The basic concepts of blitzkrieg were developed in Russia by the Germans. Secret military deals are worked out all the time. Germany could have gone communist and joined Russia in confronting the world. the lover levels of society would believe whole heartedly in the cold war but the majestic few would know the truth but never tell. Just an idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 12:28:33 GMT -6
Secret military deals are worked out all the time. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent#ixzz1xhKADSFa__________________________________________________________________________ And obviously we're still at war. Do we really know who is supplying who with weapons? Do we know where individual loyalties lie? What is it all really about? We have "holdings" all over the world. English is taught as a second language. I would add confusion and frustration to BWs comment about fears and insecurities .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 23:13:02 GMT -6
No..at the time the balance of power was the important thing and terror was other countries aiming nukes at the U.S. I'm not sure why or where the concept of 'aliens' slipped into the cold war but it was Cuba and Russia that Kennedy had his hands full of..and we were a gnat's hair away from the biggie. I don't 'sense' and I never have that any aliens were a threat to the Earth. A lot of people want to see it that way because they out brain us and that is terrifying. They have technology we don't understand therefore they have to after what we have. Not everyone thinks like we do thank heavens.
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Post by charles on Jun 14, 2012 2:57:52 GMT -6
Hi all! Jo - thank you for your kind words !! I feel that an appropriate reply to sum up your last post is a West African quote, used and popularised by Roosevelt - 'Speak softly & carry a big stick'. We are a territorial people whose response to an encroachment onto our 'turf' (or maybe for any other Brits here, our 'manor' !) is usually not one of 'Hi, pleased to meet you! Come in, sit down & have a coffee !' - more "What the **** are you ******** doing in my ******* front lawn? **** *** outta here before I give you a new ******* with my shotgun !! And just as to subconsciously add proof to that, I did the angry faces first with no hesitation to give 2. When I did the proper smilies I hesitated over whether it should be 1 or 2? Just a little thing like that can so easily display our human nature (just with other people, let alone ET visitors!) and then we wonder why others may not necessarily be so positive in their view of us. BW - nice thoughts & input - thank you ! I most certainly agree with you that we the public are left in fear for the profit of others. I do find it interesting that the fear of a loss of our freedom & self-determination brings exactly that about in our quest to retain them! Okay, I'm done! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by randy on Jun 15, 2012 12:19:02 GMT -6
Recall the star wars idea of orbiting nuclear missiles in space. The idea was that they would be aimed down at Russia. OK rotate the missiles 180 degrees so they point outward what do you have then. Planet defense system. Unfortunately most people have a hard time with the idea of simply rotating the platforms once in place to create a planet defense system. it was a brilliant cover story unfortunately it was not funded. In the absence of friendly moves by the greys they have to be considered as potentially hostile in intent. I have had alot of contact with them and I still cant trust them. They remain unknown and have the potential to be hostile Currently they are too many to be a diplomatic out post and too few to invade
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Post by skywalker on Jun 15, 2012 12:34:49 GMT -6
I suppose the idea that Randy proposed about the countries arming themselves to ward off an alien invasion could have been a possibility too. If that were true though, and if the countries are now getting rid of their nukes, does that mean the governments are now in cahoots with the aliens? Just something to think about. I have a different take on that scenario, sky. A threat from space is the next logical step beyond the current terrorism scenario that consumes most societies in the present day. It's nothing more than a play on people's fears and insecurities. As long as people are terrified, there will be a market for arms; and as long as there's some kind of war going on, the psychopaths will pocket the profits. That's kind of what Carol Rosen keeps saying...that the government is trying to use an alien invasian as a scare tactic to continue the arms race. It's not a bad strategy on their part actually. The cold war came to an end when the Soviet Union collapsed which pretty much brought an end to the arms trade but the threat of alien invasion--whether real or imagines--would never end. They could always say that the threat exists which would justify their continual research, development and buildup of weapons.
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Post by randy on Jun 16, 2012 0:00:20 GMT -6
The greys exist since I have slugged them on occasion. hitting is believing. UFOs exist since I was free to explore on to my hearts content. Touching the stars is believing. Getting back being focused on belief in the greys existing one has logically to question what they are doing here. I do not recall at this point that I ever asked them that. I have recalled that I did ask where they come form but as yet I dont recall the reply. when Cortez landed in mexico he could have been defeated that day by the armies of the Aztecs if they used them. He was weak disorganized and had not established allies among the other Indian tribes yet. Currently the greys have been busy breeding hence the incubators I saw and they have been busy setting up control of our leaders.for many years. they had a huge parts warehouse devoted to parts for UFOs. why so many? I have posted how as a kid I laid on the grass at school and watched 50-60 UFOs pass over head. That was in the 1950s. time is the issue in this with time they can grow in numbers and build fleets of UFOs. they can establish other bases and spread out like oil spots in our society. I have read that one of the Air Force officers investigating Roswell was transferred to hamilton Field and then golly whiz he was lost at sea in a place crash and the body not recovered. Given the Novato UFO base project going on that end is highly questionable for him. Was he killed or did he fly off to the grey home world. who knows.
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Post by charles on Jun 16, 2012 8:25:45 GMT -6
Hi all! Sky - I follow your reasoning with the use of the alien threat as the means to perpetuate fear and the arms industry, but to me surely would global terrorism not be a more immediate & pressing issue to be dealt with & thus of more interest to munitions and systems makers?? I agree that for the vast majority of us here on sites such as this the ET scenario would be good, solid & sound reasoning. To me it falls down when it stands a good chance that considerably fewer people would give this any credence - but the thought of people from wherever having weapons and the wherewithal to cause mayhem & terror - then it becomes a reality that people will be happy to give up their freedom in the name of security and protection. In essence, once the cold war ended, world security & peace really became a fragile reality. I am sure both sides sat there knowing just how much they were going to blow the heck out of each other and that they both funded terrorists/freedom fighters (you need to look at the viewpoint being made from both sides to discern which was really which!) that allowed some form of limited armed conflict which in effect may have been run for the benefit of the super powers under the guise of the terrorist. Essentially this kept the world in a state of checks and balances without really upsetting the status quo. Okay, I've used my rain too much for thinking at the moment ;D ;D !! Time for a cuppa and wander around some website stuff that don't tax my brain ;D !! TTFN! Take care, seek peace and SMILE! Charles
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 9:54:58 GMT -6
Wouldn't be Greys because they have had too many years to perfect any attack they would make or reason for it not to mention war is a passionate business and these creatures are not. I still think they are 'worker' class for some other race because that's how they acted with my friend and I..they didn't like touching us or the smell of us or anything about us. They were doing a job they didn't like. There could be another race of course that would like to invade but what's left to pillage when we've done such a good job of it ourselves? From our own standpoint the earth is lush and green and (well it used to have forests & unpolluted oceans) They may not value anything like we do it may be as simple as wanting a handy food source ...can you say pot roast???
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Post by skywalker on Jun 16, 2012 10:08:11 GMT -6
I doubt that there are any aliens preparing for an invasion. If there was they could have wiped us and our stone age technology out a long time ago. The rest of the world doesn't know that though. All the government needs is the possibility of an invasion to continue scaring people to death and justify the buildup of weapons.
I don't think that global terrorism is enough of a threat to continue an arms buildup. Terrorists are small potatoes compared to the Cold War nuclear doomsday scenario that we used to face. Although the government so far is exploiting it to its full potential, especially when it comes to developing technology to spy on and control private citizens, which is what the government's main agenda is. They want total control over everything. Domestic terrorism was made to order for that.
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Post by sunbow on Jun 16, 2012 20:33:46 GMT -6
A few thoughts:
I knew a Navy Security person who evaluated the Russian Fleet in the late seventies and early eighties, his comment was that it was a joke, we outnumbered them in every class of ship dozens to one. is superiors did not like that real assessment and had it revised. There was a cold war, but there are pieces to the story that do not add up.
Star Wars was definitely about tracking and potentially bagging UFO "fastwalkers". Grays or whoever, the reality of UFOs and a continued ET presence must scare some defense analysts. I am of the mind that the government has better pictures and clear evidence of the phenomena, but no control. The desire to get the advanced technology outweighs any moral (or even logical) thinking to the military industrial complex.
False Flag alien invasion could be very useful for declaring martial law and instituting a one world government. Just read Dolan's AD After Disclosure: one point that it keeps getting back to is that the human groups doing reverse engineering, getting rich, and even forming a breakaway civilization is that they have killed to keep the reality of ET presence from we the people. Why? Just standard oligarchy behavior or is there more that they are hiding?
I am still convinced that the fact that we are facing eco-system systematic collapse and are in the midst of the sixth great extinction is a big piece of the story. We are changing the Earth's environment in such a way that humanity as we know it will not continue. If aliens wanted to invade, all they would need to do is wait a short while longer (historically speaking) and our society will crash. You can't eat computer chips and the weather is making it exceedingly difficult to farm. New chemicals will not solve these problems. We either change our entire way of living or nature will change us, since mother nature's laws apply to our species as well as any. Our intelligence and manipulation might delay impacts, but when they come around, they are that much more thorough in return the natural order.
There are people who believe that Hitler was a tool of an alien race, perhaps reptiods who control the grays. I do not see the evidence, but then how could I. Conspiracy theories go deeper through history than that. One must question if atrocities are built into humans genetically or if there is a sinister force throughout our history.
I am of the mind that many groups of aliens are here, based on the diverse reports of many people. Most histories state there was a battle or war in the heavens. Did it end? Did all alien races accept the outcome? Or are we somehow caught in the middle?
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Post by skywalker on Jun 16, 2012 20:41:48 GMT -6
I think we are just pawns in the game...being used however the players see fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 10:30:14 GMT -6
I think that's a pretty true statement. I also thing certain people are led to perceive things differently and it may have little to nothing to do with the truth. They just may well be tools to spread dis-information along the way with no knowledge of what they do
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 11:07:29 GMT -6
Secret military deals are worked out all the time. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=recent#ixzz1xhKADSFa__________________________________________________________________________ And obviously we're still at war. Do we really know who is supplying who with weapons? Do we know where individual loyalties lie? What is it all really about? We have "holdings" all over the world. English is taught as a second language. I would add confusion and frustration to BWs comment about fears and insecurities . Just wanted to say, I'm really thankful how this thread is going . Even though my questions, and others question, cannot be answered definitely at this time, the discussion is open-minded and we are discussing all probabilities. ;D
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Post by randy on Jun 17, 2012 23:48:41 GMT -6
how would an alien race invade earth? they could form up a D-day like invasion fleet and set sail across space from their world to ours but that would take time and use up huge amounts of what every fuel they use not to mention rations for the invasion force. another method for a long lived race of aliens is to send a seed force to set up bases and breed the army on site. Over time the invasion force could be created on or near earth. the best invasion force would be one at home on earth adapted to its conditions. I and may friends entered the base unprepared in any way for special conditions. We could breathe the same atmosphere as the greays and also the lighting was not a problem for us in any way. Strange for an alien race that they would breathe our atmosphere without a problem. I did in some manner become exposed to some form of radiation which was probably the sparkling device in the ceiling of the kitchen area. At the time I felt it was some form of radiation they needed for their skin. Where I got that idea from I dont know. half the base was devoted to making small UFOs out of raw materials. How did they get resupplied? I saw a vast huge parts warehouse and a huge machine shop but not raw materials. another large part of the base was devoted to human breeding experiements. There is much talk of grey efforts to produce a hybrid race of being. Why do that? Greys wear protective suits out in the open which implies they may not be able to take the sun light or exposure to diseases. yet they are comfortable with humans in the base so more likely it is sun light. A hybrid race could be the invasion force over time. mean while they could influence our society by using controlled leadership to disarm us slowly over time nothing dramatic but a slow decline in war making ability. Everything would be tranquil and flowers and butterflys and then blitzkrieg
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 9:51:15 GMT -6
Randy..why would they invade the earth? That is the biggie. We've destroyed the resources..we're not great as a people..that just leaves a food source..we wouldn't even make good slaves because we're too fragile. The numbers just aren't there for an invasion. If you've read Steve's chats with Han..the alien he channels..they are not happy with the Grey abduction activity and experiments but there isn't ever any 'invasion' talk. There are other races visiting here besides the little grey thugs and it seems no one is overly happy with them but it's not because they're staging an invasion and something always goes wrong with their hybrids..they don't adapt well here so I think their experiments aren't working out too well either. I think whatever they used to want with us is long ago past and I think we were a part of that. Now they're just the stuff of chat rooms and forums..'oh by the way did I tell you about the time I was abducted???' They still look at us weird
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Post by sunbow on Jun 18, 2012 10:29:55 GMT -6
First, it is likely that the military has energy beam weapons that replace the need for nukes. If we exploded the current arsenal, we humans would definitely go extinct, even the military hiding in deep bunkers, if they survived would eventually have to come out, get poisoned, get sterile, and perish. The military is not dumb, they have other cards up their sleeves. If defense against aliens is part of it, then some Tesla beam or other focusable energy weapon is much more useful.
Second, IMO: invasion is not the plan. We know humans do not make good slaves. Perhaps genetic material is a resource for creating life forms for other places, but they have gathered way too much sperm, since a few samples would fertilize many thousands of female eggs. and the abduction ratio does not indicate this disparity and so that the breeding conclusion is the primary motivation: the more logical conclusion is that they are testing our genome to see if we are mutating and will become sterile or have other catastrophic species failure. One in a thousand females have 3 (XXX) sexual chromosomes and one in a thousand males have 3 (XXY), both anomalies lead to problems for the person and are sterile.
I am of the impression that there are many species lumped in under the Gray term. Reports tell of different heights, different shades of skin, different impressions of eye shape and head shape. I know humans have quite some variation, but that does not mean that anything resembling a human is part of our Earth Human blood line.
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Post by randy on Jun 19, 2012 0:58:19 GMT -6
Lebensraum good planets are hard to find. The earth is still a pretty good place if you get out into the savage wilds. In mid winter I got out of my pickup at the top of the Brooks Range when working on the pipeline and looked out over miles of faintly pink mtn tops tinged by the dim light of the sun that lived in the south some where at that time of the year. I was the only human being as far as I could see with no roads, fences, houses or gas stations. Just me and the vast empty land. It is a strange feeling to realize how alone that is. Man has not touched the land there. The deset mtns are much the same vast empty land. If the greys do not care about earth ecology but only want a blank slate to start with any minor problems are not problems for them. Jokelly I recall reading something about you but I am sorry i cant bring up the details. the greys still seem to be keeping track of me and my sister for some reason.
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Post by sunbow on Jun 19, 2012 8:07:48 GMT -6
The grays follow families. I have reason to believe my crazy Grandmother had experiences and 3 of 5 of my generation have (in our family). I have not really talked to cousins about all this. They may keep track of everyone to some degree (a ranger or scientist keeps track of the animals on a game reserve, a rancher keeps track of their livestock).
IMO: the invasion scnario is just too limited to account for the complex data. If you look at reports, there may be a hundred different species 'visiting'.
There is also the theory that the grays evolved on earth, used to interact with the barbaric humans, but have become hidden for some reason.
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Post by skywalker on Jun 19, 2012 10:42:40 GMT -6
The grays follow families. I have reason to believe my crazy Grandmother had experiences and 3 of 5 of my generation have (in our family). I have not really talked to cousins about all this. They may keep track of everyone to some degree (a ranger or scientist keeps track of the animals on a game reserve, a rancher keeps track of their livestock). That's an interesting comparison...saying that people are like livestock. It may very well be true. Would people know either way? Does a cow or a chicken know they are being kept for a purpose?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 10:53:13 GMT -6
I am the only person in my family to have a run in with them. By this time, the story isn't important..just one more person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know what attracted them to me and I'm positive they had nothing to do with my sisters or mother & father and nothing to do with my kids and my friend who was riding with me was really in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wouldn't have mattered..that day all roads would have led to the same place. We're not special because we had dealings with those things..they singled people out for specific reasons. Our families don't always share the psychic or the emotional. These things are 'psychic' without being emotional..our psychic abilities seem to travel a different thread than theirs. I am extremely (and sometimes overly) emotional and that caught their interest when I was just a little child. Add to that..I'm a 'Leo' and that tends to be full of drama and emotion too. Many experiences seem to be different and to me..that's a clue in itself that we are mis-directed. Randy paints the picture of a school room..daily interaction with the things..some offbeat fraternity where they don't care if their technology is witnessed or not. Mine was the more typical 'gotcha' and they tweak the brain a bit to make memory fuzzy or gone. Their 'magic' doesn't work long..most people do regain the memory, they just don't want any part of it. I think we are led down odd paths at their whim..we remember what they want...and provide to others what they want us to provide. We think we are masters of our own universe and we just aren't. Ego makes that impossible to accept.
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