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Aug 30, 2012 20:27:47 GMT -6
Post by sunbow on Aug 30, 2012 20:27:47 GMT -6
I think that many of us were living in an Innocent reality of safety when they shattered our reality. I know I was. Camping in the mountains, feeling so safe I never even considered being not safe. When the glowing disk came, we were in amazement at the sight and were thinking it was a star being, not a ship (after how much sci-fi - what was I thinking - it was the mental impression we read, so we believed). When the "star" left, it was morning and everything was confusing.
Then strange memories that were out of place and the dreams began, crystal clear and totally shocking. Then the reality started to come through. Nothing in the world was OK or safe. Hey wait, thats how I felt growing up.
There is some thought that shocking us and crumbling our reality is a way to let another reality form within us. As long as we know the world, we do not see the other sides that remain hidden. Our reality must be cracked open, our protective egg stripped away, in order for there to be room for the high strangeness to begin.
I also feel that things are starting to happen. I don't know what, but I feel that very strange days are coming...
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Aug 30, 2012 21:55:41 GMT -6
Post by lois on Aug 30, 2012 21:55:41 GMT -6
I think that many of us were living in an Innocent reality of safety when they shattered our reality. I know I was. Camping in the mountains, feeling so safe I never even considered being not safe. When the glowing disk came, we were in amazement at the sight and were thinking it was a star being, not a ship (after how much sci-fi - what was I thinking - it was the mental impression we read, so we believed). When the "star" left, it was morning and everything was confusing. Then strange memories that were out of place and the dreams began, crystal clear and totally shocking. Then the reality started to come through. Nothing in the world was OK or safe. Hey wait, thats how I felt growing up. There is some thought that shocking us and crumbling our reality is a way to let another reality form within us. As long as we know the world, we do not see the other sides that remain hidden. Our reality must be cracked open, our protective egg stripped away, in order for there to be room for the high strangeness to begin. I also feel that things are starting to happen. I don't know what, but I feel that very strange days are coming... Sunbow. I know exactly what you mean when you say you know but don't know how you know. That is how it has always been with me. Things are always 100 per cent sure in these cases and not when I see something proven, I still do not believe it for true fact. What I cannot see but know it to be. I'm definitely always positive. Like after my abduction, I rose the next morning and told my husband . " they are time travelers" I'm positive of this, but have no idea what made me think it. Been thinking it to be a true fact all my life. You might say I trust my own mind, and not what is told to me, even if they think they are proving it to me. I always have that doubt. It is not there when I know but don't know how I know. ;D Does this make sense? ;D ;D
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Aug 30, 2012 21:58:20 GMT -6
Post by lois on Aug 30, 2012 21:58:20 GMT -6
When I see with my own two peepers then I believe. So..how would a teenager in a panic know much at all about something that was in the 60's just the stuff of impossibility? There was no Freddy Kruger or Jason or . . . Ok, in advance I realize that some people reading might think I am pointing out a contradiction that Jo is making, and being critical. In this post and my last post, my point is, some things we just "know", but we don't know how we know. It feels like we have "seen" it ourselves. My above post is in regards to your post jc. Sorry sunbow.
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Aug 30, 2012 22:02:24 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2012 22:02:24 GMT -6
Things are on the move Sunbow...and some of them will seem strange indeed.
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Sept 1, 2012 16:53:40 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 16:53:40 GMT -6
I used to think they were time-travelers also, Lois. I'm not discounting that at this point, but after all I've learned in seeing other human perspectives, I think that is another one of those ideas that theywant us to think.
When I say time-travelers, I mean that I honestly thought it was us (humans, though "damaged"), that are from the future traveling back to the past. Because most of my big experiences are memories from my younger years, I think that I was easily manipulated mentally. They were trying to keep the experiences as positive as possible (and failed). What is my brain going to try and hold onto through that terrible mess? That these things are humans who have good intentions. Not.
Since I have prayed for discernment these past 10 years, I'm getting some obvious revelations, on all kinds of things. Why not more on this?
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Sept 2, 2012 2:20:32 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 2, 2012 2:20:32 GMT -6
I used to think they were time-travelers also, Lois. I'm not discounting that at this point, but after all I've learned in seeing other human perspectives, I think that is another one of those ideas that they want us to think. When I say time-travelers, I mean that I honestly thought it was us (humans, though "damaged"), that are from the future traveling back to the past. Because most of my big experiences are memories from my younger years, I think that I was easily manipulated mentally. They were trying to keep the experiences as positive as possible (and failed). What is my brain going to try and hold onto through that terrible mess? That these things are humans who have good intentions. Not. Since I have prayed for discernment these past 10 years, I'm getting some obvious revelations, on all kinds of things. Why not more on this? Our InnerSelf always listens when we are serious, true?
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Sept 2, 2012 10:27:01 GMT -6
Post by sunbow on Sept 2, 2012 10:27:01 GMT -6
I agree with the feeling of knowing and not knowing how: not reasoning to the knowing, just feeling certain about some things. We can always say they planted this thought or impression, but at some point we need to trust our gut instinct. If we are wrong, then we must be open enough to change, but we need to act on some basis.
Jacques Vallee stated that they control humanity at a mythic level. Beliefs control what we decide to do. Perhaps there are very basic assumptions that we have wrong, which shade all our other assumptions. seems the more primary and at the root the assumption is, the harder it is to see.
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Sept 2, 2012 11:17:29 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 11:17:29 GMT -6
It aggrevates (for lack of better word) me that "they" are so secretive. By now (and in the past) they have many humans who are willing and ready to work with them. Though some of them may be stimulated by the level of our emotions, or actually "suck" those emotions out of us (my reference is my own teenage zombie-state without using human drugs), for the most part, the mystery is not for this reason. I have to ponder more on what both plutronus and sunbow recently said. thank you
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Sept 2, 2012 19:35:03 GMT -6
Post by sunbow on Sept 2, 2012 19:35:03 GMT -6
Secretive: But are they hiding something? Does it give them more freedom without getting caught in attachments? Is it a way to interact without the karma of responsibility? Is it to keep from freaking us out personally? Is it to keep from breaking our societies spirit (Like: if all science, music, etc is a billion years beyond us, what are our struggles worth, why try)? Is it just that they operate telepathically and their communication is lost on us? Perhaps it is like a pet dog feeling abandoned when the humans go off to run errands: we are just too primitive to understand?
Frustrating for me. Alien: Just let me see your body and touch your hand in a clear awake state. I know that does not convey the inner you, but then we only know the inner being of the humans we are close to, to a limited extent (or even ourselves). Frustrating because there is always the wondering about the reality of it. Are they physical beings -yes. There may be other things, energy beings flitting between dimensions, but at least some are definitely physical, touch your body, beings. So I want to sit in physical proximity with a clear head. Why? Just to have the concreteness that I have in relating to people. Why don't they want to do this? I ponder.
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Sept 2, 2012 20:11:31 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 20:11:31 GMT -6
Vallee has long been a favorite of mine, he's a brilliant and educated man, but...if he is right...then most of us are not. Did we see a UFO or did we see a projection of one delivered by, not extraterrestrials..but some type of other psychic phenomena? That is very hard for the person to swallow who believes what he believes. My stand has always been that I have room for alternatives..I know what my friend and I were subjected to...only insofar as my senses allow. Everything we have experienced could be planted information..the biggest lie in the universe. You'd have to ask yourself then...very seriously...why would any 'beings' go to such lengths to manipulate so many people? Still...I trust my 'psychic' self. I know what I felt that day..I know what I felt the 31st. I also know what I feel when I'm 'locked in' and giving a very accurate reading for someone. I know when I'm on...and when I am not. I also know..that with enough thought and belief...WE...can manifest things in our lives. I do wonder sometimes. Since I started to remember that day...I spent hours literally...praying to be removed from..kept safe from...and never to be vulnerable again...to them. As far as I know..I haven't been..and I never had another night mare. It was the only thing..I could think to do..to protect myself. Can it be so simple? As to refuse it? Are there great manipulators that have to follow rules? 'Dude..she asked for protection..hands off' Sort of like asking a cop for an attorney? In the end...all we have is more questions. Here is an article about Jaques Vallee..interesting that he did co-write some stuff with J. Allen Hynek (Edge of Reality). I never knew that. www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc608.htmdailygrail.com/features/jacques-vallee-messengers-of-deception
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Sept 3, 2012 15:40:41 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 3, 2012 15:40:41 GMT -6
I've been reading that Edge of Reality book. Haven't finished it yet but I like the name. Hynek is one of my favorite UFO researchers too. I like the fact that he started out as a skeptic (actually hired by the military to debunk UFOs) but later changed his mind about them because of the evidence that he saw. The guy was no nutball.
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Sept 5, 2012 20:44:05 GMT -6
Post by sunbow on Sept 5, 2012 20:44:05 GMT -6
In the first article he discusses control systems, but I feel he is missing something, since I know they are physical. We are physical and yet have other aspects (emotions, mind, dreams, intentions,...) I feel they also are complex living physical beings and since they did not evolve on earth, they are extra-terrestrial. Non-physical projects cannot poke you or take a scoop of skin. A projected mental image does not leave marks on the body. I think Jacques is right in saying that there is something happening on a psychological level, but I still believe the extra-terrestrial explanation. Inter-dimensional, why of course advanced beings can transcend our concepts of space and time, but that does not change the basis: many alien species are involved in a huge project on primitive planet Earth.
Are they simply evolved organic beings or are they GMO or cyborg or whatever, I do not know, but physical they are. If we ask ourselves the ultimate metaphysical questions: 'Who/what am I?','What is reality?','What is the meaning of the universe?', 'What is Love?': it becomes senseless because words cannot get there, they can never account for the experience of being alive in this mystery. The infinite information system of the universe cannot be analyzed by a human brain, but we can have the conscious experience of being here. The point of this is that they are also bound by these same constrains and even an extra billion years of contemplation results in the same conundrum. So they must also still be learning and observing us must be confusingly interesting: what a bizarre show. They have been watching and affecting things for a long time.
My opinion is that they are here collecting the seeds that took so long to evolve, which could perish in human folly, but which are valuable. I do think that there is a control system: to try and affect us mythically: like we are here and have traveled through space and if humanity gets it together you can too. Teasing us to get it together.
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Sept 5, 2012 23:44:43 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 23:44:43 GMT -6
I think in a way..it's like our Phobos experiment..we have certain feelings about this..like something is right on the tip of the brain but just won't remember right and it's frustrating. Obviously abduction victims are chosen and in our little arena here we have found that most who have had 'experiences' are 'psychic' (I really detest using that word because it seems so campy and inadequate) but judging from our experiment..we seem to be able to at least bounce off of one another's energy. We do share things in common beyond just that too. Lonely or alone childhoods..introspective kids..self entertaining kids..pretty interesting really and it does give some little clue of their preference anyway. We can be controlled better or do they study us because we can't be? Ah...gives me a brain ache I don't want to start paranoid thinking like I am manipulated into doing anything because actually..I'm a manipulator in my family..I bend a person here or there to help us get along..ease things..along. I do not do well when there is tension in the air around me so I dissolve it. I am no fun in a supermarket around the holidays..I can't deal with all of the seasonal emotion 'shudder'. So..I wonder if a manipulator..can be manipulated? 'Groan' Keep this up and I'll need therapy. LOL
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Sept 7, 2012 4:30:21 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 7, 2012 4:30:21 GMT -6
In the first article he discusses control systems, but I feel he is missing something, since I know they are physical. We are physical and yet have other aspects (emotions, mind, dreams, intentions,...) I feel they also are complex living physical beings and since they did not evolve on earth, they are extra-terrestrial. Non-physical projects cannot poke you or take a scoop of skin. A projected mental image does not leave marks on the body. I think Jacques is right in saying that there is something happening on a psychological level, but I still believe the extra-terrestrial explanation. Inter-dimensional, why of course advanced beings can transcend our concepts of space and time, but that does not change the basis: many alien species are involved in a huge project on primitive planet Earth. Are they simply evolved organic beings or are they GMO or cyborg or whatever, I do not know, but physical they are. If we ask ourselves the ultimate metaphysical questions: 'Who/what am I?','What is reality?','What is the meaning of the universe?', 'What is Love?': it becomes senseless because words cannot get there, they can never account for the experience of being alive in this mystery. The infinite information system of the universe cannot be analyzed by a human brain, but we can have the conscious experience of being here. The point of this is that they are also bound by these same constrains and even an extra billion years of contemplation results in the same conundrum. So they must also still be learning and observing us must be confusingly interesting: what a bizarre show. They have been watching and affecting things for a long time. My opinion is that they are here collecting the seeds that took so long to evolve, which could perish in human folly, but which are valuable. I do think that there is a control system: to try and affect us mythically: like we are here and have traveled through space and if humanity gets it together you can too. Teasing us to get it together. <<< In the first article he discusses control systems, but I feel he is missing something, since I know they are physical. >>>
I guess it depends on what one considers to be a control-system? And how the notion was derived. Having read only one short chapter might give a rather myopic vantage? Or having read only one or two of the (obviously) lay-oriented audience books he's written doesn't adequately paint the Vallee-picture either, in my opinion. He paints a rather more complete introspection of the subject, but one must dig it out. His studies of the French abductions in the NIDS published "Best UFO Cases - Europe" is an example of Dr Vallee's thoroughness. Also my having read all of his (peer reviewed) JSE papers as well as having attended a number of his lectures, paints an entirely different picture than one can see simply through one or two of his ET-believer audience books he has considerately written for us. One of his most highly acclaimed activities (which most here have no clue), involved his calculated estimation of LAF energy output from a disc. He took a lot of heat for that, but he stepped up to the plate and held his ground!! So, he does, fit the table within the constraints of the physical control-loop, he is after-all, a systems-engineer by training, and unless everything is randomly adhoc, things are very likely to be influenced by some type of a control system, whether Earthian or other wise.
Then there is Dutton. How does one explain that?
Vallee, (if one is up to speed on the players), was one of Bigelow's NIDS BOD scientists, so he very likely had full access to the Dutton research papers. Ta...da!! Couple that with the 10,000 or so sighting reports available (since the 1600s), which Dr. Vallee has obviously reviewed....one can easily introspect a control-system, if they got a brain? ET have been 'visiting' for centuries far too long to be science. The overall evidence is that WE ARE CLUELESS, while those who know a little about the subject, try to use reason alone, but the effort can't explain all the points. That's one of the problems, --most folks lack of awareness of what is already known!! One can't hold simple discussions, without becoming burdened in all the stupid, unresearched pet 'theories' of the yakkers, because they are unaware of what's already known. This problem is not relegated to any specific chat-room, but is rampant through-out the InterNet these days.
Where can one go? Where is there any open authentic ET knowledge available? Without having to sign a Non-Disclosure-Agreement?
As my friend Professor Alien-Tough@aol.com used to say, "Its maddening."
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Sept 7, 2012 6:39:21 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 6:39:21 GMT -6
Secretive: But are they hiding something? Does it give them more freedom without getting caught in attachments? Is it a way to interact without the karma of responsibility? Is it to keep from freaking us out personally? Is it to keep from breaking our societies spirit (Like: if all science, music, etc is a billion years beyond us, what are our struggles worth, why try)? Is it just that they operate telepathically and their communication is lost on us? Perhaps it is like a pet dog feeling abandoned when the humans go off to run errands: we are just too primitive to understand? Frustrating for me. Alien: Just let me see your body and touch your hand in a clear awake state. I know that does not convey the inner you, but then we only know the inner being of the humans we are close to, to a limited extent (or even ourselves). Frustrating because there is always the wondering about the reality of it. Are they physical beings -yes. There may be other things, energy beings flitting between dimensions, but at least some are definitely physical, touch your body, beings. So I want to sit in physical proximity with a clear head. Why? Just to have the concreteness that I have in relating to people. Why don't they want to do this? I ponder. Thanks for this, Sunbow. I'll try to comment more later.
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Sept 7, 2012 10:17:18 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 10:17:18 GMT -6
It's very maddening. And to me a little curious that so many people have no desire to know or to understand and even more have no clue at all that there is anything to understand. And yet..here we are. It leads me to think that only some people are meant to have an awareness. My neighbor could care less..in fact..no one I know including my husband have any awareness at all. A slight curiosity at best about 'aliens'. For some of us..it's close to obsessive...the awareness I mean and growing.
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Sept 7, 2012 11:35:52 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 11:35:52 GMT -6
It's very maddening. And to me a little curious that so many people have no desire to know or to understand and even more have no clue at all that there is anything to understand. And yet..here we are. It leads me to think that only some people are meant to have an awareness. My neighbor could care less..in fact..no one I know including my husband have any awareness at all. A slight curiosity at best about 'aliens'. For some of us..it's close to obsessive...the awareness I mean and growing. ~nods~
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Sept 7, 2012 16:12:32 GMT -6
Post by sunbow on Sept 7, 2012 16:12:32 GMT -6
I agree with this: ~nods~
People who are not involved personally are not obsessed with knowing. Worse are scientists who are not involved and trying to approach this with reason. I think Annie Strieber said she thought the aliens were autistic by human standards, and also aware of the dead: no wonder they act in unreasonable ways. Perhaps many advanced beings are beyond reason and logic, and into feelings, intuition, and reading the currents of time.
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Sept 7, 2012 17:27:48 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 17:27:48 GMT -6
I had to think about this, and come back, because (#1) I am astounded that Sunbow mentions wanting to just sit down with an alien (like he would a human) and talking face to face. Whether our mouths move or not, I have not even considered holding a conversation with one . And of course we're not thinking about a possible time that we have maybe sat down with a stranger that was actually an alien; that doesn't count. I have this astounded feeling because one of the reactions now, from listening and reading what others say, is that somehow they (aliens) have been elevated in my mind. I wasn't aware that this had happened, until now. So you can also imagine my sigh of relief to the recent comment that Annie S. said that aliens are autistic ;D. I'm being influenced with what others say . Let me explain more. My kids do listen to me about certain subjects because they have not proved me wrong, AND my "truths" have been verified by other sources, including their own experiences, and what their friends have heard about and experienced. I am a novice at the alien thing, but not so much the paranormal, and though I keep them seperate, I am willing to try to understand an overlap of the two . I still think that "aliens" may use the paranormal or myths to cover, however. I had recently told my daughters that something "pure or holy" to our standards, would make us feel unusual at their appearance. Its one thing for something to look fearful, or full of light, but I'm talking as far as something even making us feel sick. And I don't mean afterwards, like radiation. I mean our senses, our bodies are tingling (or something) even before we see a thing in front of us. This is an experienced and documented occurrence. When I read what Sunbow said about secretive, and wanting to sit down with an alien, suddenly my mind made this leap about not being able to physically handle sitting near one. Why? I've never thought this way before?! Possibly THEY have to wear protection to be around us and our environment, but as you all know, I've most likely experienced alien contact and I don't recall mentioning that they made me ill instantly. Very tired, yes. And I also brought up recently my "zombie-state teenage years", and I could easily talk about feeling like they are dumbing me down. In fact, my daughters are showing this dumbing down, and it may be teenage or hormonal stress, whereas I can almost pinpoint the cause of mine, and I have not considered this idea (yet) with them. I understand that Sunbow has a friendlier idea of interacting with an alien race, and I respect that. But he talks about it on an intellectual level of conversing with one, or them hesitating to enlighten us too much. I'm subconciously giving them power over my physical well-being.
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Sept 7, 2012 18:51:32 GMT -6
Post by sunbow on Sept 7, 2012 18:51:32 GMT -6
I find your message very insightful. I have read in several places that people tend to pass out in the presence of some aliens because their psychic energy is so high. I am not sure that is all that happens. Our fear is often our own and any advanced humanoid scares us silly, because the implications of them being here are so great. I do not think a human could have an 'ordinary' conversation with one of these advanced telepathic beings, but I also do not think that the majority of them are that high and mighty either. They are incarnate beings with karma. They know this fact where most humans do not. The way they behave makes me believe that they are very aware of karma and that any being you get involved with, becomes your karma. If you feed a stray dog, you are now responsible for it, if you then ignore it, you have more karma than if you never interacted, because now it looks to you for its life: the human race is a stray race, lost and confused.
I think what Annie S. was implying was not so much that they are dysfunctional in some ways, which they are from our point of view, but rather that they don't see the reality that we see. I do not see any being or person as more or less than another, unless they are completely enlightened, which the aliens are not. Whitley's last journal talked about the illusion of good and bad aliens: there is so much complexity that these black and white ideas are not part of reality.
What would you ask or want to know? I just want to sit and share presence. Most people want to aliens to give or do something: heal me or give me technology or teach me secrets or ... that may be the problem and why they act as they do. Yet they have altered my life and so yes, I want to sit and share space,to be in meditative silence in my full mind and remember it all. This is not a reasonable thing, yet I still feel like this.
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Sept 7, 2012 21:05:25 GMT -6
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I guess that would depend on the 'association' a person may have experienced. I could not sit in the same room with one of the type who abducted my friend and I with any rationality at all. It's one thing to talk about it removed from ..but I know the terror would be there..the humiliation and disgust. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have any problem reading those emotions in me either. I suppose because no matter which way I try to turn it..I can't find justification for abducting children or anyone else for that matter. Since there are thousands of earth kooks who would volunteer these services..apparently that is not what they want. They are oblivious or uncaring of our laws or our rights as sentient beings and that really disturbs me on a deep level. I do know I felt disgust from them when one touched me..like I would feel toward a maggot. I do understand how someone could want to 'face' one and try to understand it...I just know it couldn't ever be me. Other types (if there are other types than gray's) those I could possibly chat with
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Sept 7, 2012 23:52:22 GMT -6
Post by plutronus on Sept 7, 2012 23:52:22 GMT -6
It's very maddening. And to me a little curious that so many people have no desire to know or to understand and even more have no clue at all that there is anything to understand. And yet..here we are. It leads me to think that only some people are meant to have an awareness. My neighbor could care less..in fact..no one I know including my husband have any awareness at all. A slight curiosity at best about 'aliens'. For some of us..it's close to obsessive...the awareness I mean and growing. Yes.
Back in mid 90s, when I was wading through the ~7500 or so sighting reports that I glaumed-onto anywhere I could find them, I began to see a few invariant patterns. Actually there are many curious signatures in those data. One that stood out, and immediately revealed to me, the requirement for psychology trained investigators. For there appeared to be something of a curiosity regarding the types of people who were having the ET contact experience. I count any awareness of an ET phenomenon exhibition as being related to 'contact'. In this realization, I began to invite ET contactees to my home as-well as locate and attend their ET social get-togethers. It was fascinating to realize that the majority, seemed to exhibit a specific hemispheric orientation, in my 'lay-speak' I have defined as being the "right-hemis".
Yep, the right-hemis, those folks who are singers, poets, New Agers, writers, painters, artists, folks who are often ADD, poor with numbers and are often machine challenged, secretaries, truck-drivers, psi-intuitives...spacialists. Those who visualize their reality via spacialization. In the QBLA this is known as being right-column centric consciousness (AnGeLs of Mercy), an unbalanced psychic state. The three operative Sephira in the right-column are notably GeDuLaH, NeTzACh and of course c'HocMaH, it is these that drive the open-ness for non-constrained merciful reasoning.
When viewed from strictly hemispheric perspective, in the sighting events, there is glaringly missing left-hemi reports....where are all the left-hemi reports? Don't left-hemis see ET? Why aren't there obvious left-hemi sightings? By the rationalists, those who visualize their reality via abstraction? Its as though half of the picture's missing?
So I bounced this new (1997) discovery off the psychologists in SETV. It was new information to them, after all, most of them had come over from the intransitive SETI community, all those left-hemis over there looking for ET technical-civilization 'signatures' using fancy radios...way out there. The distances are so great between the stars (suns) in the galaxy, and as Earthian developed physics mandates that nothing physical can travel faster than light and remain coherently physical, well, ET just simply can't get here, in the SETI 'science' left-hemi reasoning. The idea that there could be a hemispheric orientation issue in effect on the Human side of the contacts is completely unexpected while giving glimpse of other subjective issues that Humans can't apparently see about ourselves. A test was devised, executed by UC Davis academics, headed by the usual SSE/NIDS ET pack. A little survey, asking academics, anonymously, on-line, if they had ever seen anything approximating an alien exhibition. The summary? The more rigorous the discipline, the less the awareness of ET exhibitions. It was just a small test, but it marked the beginning of a larger wave of academic awareness of the overall contact problem. But there are no absolutes either, apparently, for instance, Paul Hill. He's the hard physics scientist who studied ET contacts for NASA, 'unofficially' and he too after he began looking, became an experiencer. So there does remain a few slip-throughs in the hemi orientation matter. The question is, 'is it accidental?' Or perhaps its a state anomaly in the state-machine's control-loop? Like missing codes in some A to D converters, its just nature of the beast.
And then from the QBLA perspective is left-column centric consciousness, et gross....HoD, GeBuRaH (AnGeLs of Destruction), BiNaH (Understanding/Fear) an unbalanced psychic state. Its fitting too, for the left-hemis are also generally BiNaH centric, which is one of the driving stations of consciousness that promotes fear. Left-hemis are the war-mongers, the bomb-builders, the rationalists. Left, is also the column in which the Dragons are seen...live. How does that work?
We only have little disjointed glimpses of how the alien control-system works, but apparently its not external to us as most would likely intuit, while the evidence suggests is highly integrated within us.
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Sept 8, 2012 7:05:09 GMT -6
Post by skywalker on Sept 8, 2012 7:05:09 GMT -6
Back when we were on the old MUFON forum we also did a little study to see whether abductees and experiencers were left brained or right brained and we came to the same conclusion. Almost everybody was what would be considered to be a "right hemi" and just like you described...artistic, creative, imaginitive and open to psychic phenomenon.
All of the skeptics would say that the experiencers are more fantasy-prone which would cause them to dismiss the accounts as lacking credibility. It's interesting that your ex-SETI friends actually took the idea seriously.
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Sept 8, 2012 9:56:51 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 9:56:51 GMT -6
Isn't it strange how that works? The 'more fantasy prone' thing I mean. I think it's not that the lefties don't see them..it's that the aliens don't 'hear' them as well. Maybe part of the 'selection' process is that we won't be believed anyway.
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Sept 8, 2012 10:12:53 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 10:12:53 GMT -6
Maybe part of the 'selection' process is that we won't be believed anyway. ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 11:40:40 GMT -6
"We only have little disjointed glimpses of how the alien control-system works, but apparently its not external to us as most would likely intuit, while the evidence suggests is highly integrated within us. " Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ufos&action=display&thread=2704&page=3#ixzz25tXrMHohAnd this is where I start to get "creeped out". I feel that you have been hinting at this here and there, and it really doesn't matter if someone is a right-hemi or a left-hemi. Hence when A left-hemi goes looking for them, inevit. "they" show up . Yes, I put a smiley face there. Karma, ya know? Jo recently talked about being able to tell them "No. Go Away." (her comments in a nutshell). I agree with this, and have done it myself once I realized what is going on. It does work, and is encouraging for those that are terrorized ;D. However, it doesn't mean that we forget about them. They may not interact with me so personally, but I see signs that they are not gone. Can't exactly ignore them, all the time. and, a part of me feels sorry for them. I believe that their reality is as stuck for them as it is for us. But to feel "sorry for them" is a huge mistake. If they are karmic beings then they can manipulate their working space with kindness and compassion just as we can. So, I only truly feel sorry for the idea of being "stuck", which IMO is actually easier to change for oneself if you are a kind person, as opposed to enjoy being "mean". This also ties in with the crowd that plutronus talked about recently of being into S&M. Yes it does. But others may resent a conversation along these lines. My point is, I understand. When Spotless Ron comes on here, he gives me an "edge". By this I mean he reveals little "pieces", whether he's aware of it or not. For all I know, he is very aware, and for the last several years has been experiencing a "mean" part of this phenomenon. Much like what plutronus talked about when he had to leave this subject for awhile because he was physically and mentally attacked by something unknown. All plutronus could do was just figure it was related to the ET subject. For all I know, the people that he knew that died under mysterious circumstances were left-hemis. Did they get warnings too? Was it too "abstract" for them? Lol. And this is important too, IMO. "They" need to learn to respect me. Some of them play games. I am just as allowed to laugh at their games as be bothered by those games. They are not "greater" than me, as I now understand what Sunbow was getting across. Just different. And not like me trying to sit across from a "pet". I can be cross with or loving towards my dog, and he demands a certain amount of respect, like refusing to go into his kennel if I haven't taken him for a walk for a couple of days. But I can't just sit across from him, even though we surely have a connection. Speaking of connections, those of "them" that treat us like cattle, are not well-connected, IMO. And that is not totally due to parts of them being possibly artificially made . Going on and on here, but I knew what you meant from Annie's standpoint of them being autistic ;D, Sunbow. It's a good analogy. The human autistic is very bright, but the spectrum of their different behaviors is mind-boggling. Anyone who chooses to work with or live with an autistic individual is controlled. A person can predict and arrange their life to accomodate a certain individual, but that individual is controlling, and aware. Things can get messy at times, and you better have a restraint of some sort if resorting to force. I sighed, because I have an unexplainable effect on the autistic (child). And I'm not fooling myself that I could work with them full time. We have 5 autistic children at any given time at my job. We don't ignore each other, though I will pretend to ignore, just like I would with any child. Some are integrated part of the day into their grade class, and I am inevit. charmed . Some act as if they are possessed by several different spirits (AS IF) with their shifting eyes, clicking noises, and awkward body movements, and other noises, and I've been able to calm them. Some are just what I call "runners". They are not introverted or shy, and their primary desire outside of their classroom is to roam the halls or run the whole playground, with the biggest smile on their face. Thats where the comparison to aliens stops. Lol.
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Sept 8, 2012 14:50:22 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 14:50:22 GMT -6
I like it to JC when Spotless 'shares' ..he's pretty succinct and to the point and I enjoy that. With so much input (and all of it speculation from experiences we are having..ongoing) it's hard to really process it all.
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Sept 8, 2012 15:52:13 GMT -6
Post by sansseed on Sept 8, 2012 15:52:13 GMT -6
I just wonder what exactly they mean when they say "fantasy prone". I am most certainly right hemisphere and very visual. Some may even call me a day dreamer. I like to write, yet before I begin I will visualize the story. I'll sit quietly and play out scenarios visually in my head. I also use positive visualization when I'm looking for certain outcomes in my life. Some may call this fantasizing. Does this make me fantasy prone? I don't know. Maybe. Yet, I like to think that I'm rational when faced with abnormalities in life. I don't think every noise at night is a ghost or every odd light in the sky is a UFO. I guess I'm just wondering what makes one fantasy prone. It seems like a vague term to me.
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Sept 8, 2012 22:45:36 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 8, 2012 22:45:36 GMT -6
When I did that test at mufon.. I was left brained which no one else was. Only funjay and me seemed to be left brained. .........I never heard tell when left brained goes looking for them they show up.. I would like to read that information.
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Sept 8, 2012 23:11:55 GMT -6
Post by lois on Sept 8, 2012 23:11:55 GMT -6
I also think, Aliens do not go looking for people who have something in common .. I think it would be just the opposite . If they come here to study us. Why study the same person over and over again? They would want to understand all of us as a whole.
Like Budd always said , he could never find any common ground in abductees. They have taken all walks of life Farmers. Doctors, Lawyers ,Fireman etc. I talked to Steve about this late one night when we were at Mufon. I knew he dealt with tons of case. I asked him it they had taken anyone out of prison during the night. He said none that he knew of..... but.. He did tell the story about the patience in the hospital who was in contractions. No way could he be moved and yet he told the hospital staff, he would be gone during the night .. that the aliens would take him for a spell.
In the night he went missing . Not a soul could find him any where. But sure enough come morning he was back and in his contractions. Why was he taken? They sure did not heal him like some have told after being abducted.
How did this man know he would be abducted? Maybe they wanted to study his illness. I'm sure they would want to know why mankind has all its disease? And to understand the nature of it. Maybe they think the farmer is different than the city slicker. We know they study all life forms here. So I don't believe all these abductees are one common ground
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