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Post by CitizenK on Apr 27, 2012 22:06:35 GMT -6
gizmodo.com/5905045/how-to-prove-youve-been-abducted-by-aliensSome may "like" him, but this is why I do not...he is a simple smug "scientist" only....he might be right on some points, but on others he is simply making fun of or belittling the claimed experiencer's How To Prove You’ve Been Abducted by Aliens Do I believe in UFOs or extraterrestrial visitors? Where shall I begin? There's a fascinating frailty of the human mind that psychologists know all about, called "argument from igannance." This is how it goes. Remember what the "U" stands for in "UFO"? You see lights flashing in the sky. You've never seen anything like this before and don't understand what it is. You say, "It's a UFO!" The "U" stands for "unidentified." But then you say, "I don't know what it is; it must be aliens from outer space, visiting from another planet." The issue here is that if you don't know what something is, your interpretation of it should stop immediately. You don't then say it must be X or Y or Z. That's argument from igannance. It's common. I'm not blaming anybody; it may relate to our burning need to manufacture answers because we feel uncomfortable about being steeped in igannance. But you can't be a scientist if you're uncomfortable with igannance, because scientists live at the boundary between what is known and unknown in the cosmos. This is very different from the way journalists portray us. So many articles begin, "Scientists now have to go back to the drawing board." It's as though we're sitting in our offices, feet up on our desks-masters of the universe-and suddenly say, "Oops, somebody discovered something!" No. We're always at the drawing board. If you're not at the drawing board, you're not making discoveries. You're not a scientist; you're something else. The public, on the other hand, seems to demand conclusive explanations as they leap without hesitation from statements of abject igannance to statements of absolute certainty. Here's something else to consider. We know-not only from research experiments in psychology but also from the history of science-that the lowest form of evidence is eyewitness testimony. Which is scary, because in a court of law it's considered one of the highest forms of evidence. Have you all played telephone? Everybody lines up; one person starts with a story and tells it to you; you hear it and then repeat it to the next person; the next person then passes it along. What happens by the time you get to the last person, who now retells the story to everybody who's heard it already? It's completely different, right? That's because the conveyance of information has relied on eyewitness testimony-or, in this case, earwitness testimony. So it wouldn't matter if you saw a flying saucer. In science-even with something less controversial than alien visitors, and even if you're one of my fellow scientists-when you come into my lab and say, "You've got to believe me, I saw it," I'll say, "Go home. Come back when you have some kind of evidence other than your testimony." Human perception is rife with ways of getting things wrong. We don't like to admit it, because we have a high opinion of our biology, but it's true. Here's an example: We've all seen drawings that create optical illusions. They're lots of fun, but they should actually be called "brain failures." That's what's happening-a failure of human perception. Show us a few clever drawings, and our brains can't figure out what's going on. We're poor data-taking devices. That's why we have science; that's why we have machines. Machines don't care what side of the bed they woke up on in the morning; they don't care what they said to their spouses that day; they don't care whether they had their morning caffeine. They're emotion-free data-takers. That's what they do. Maybe you did see visitors from another part of the galaxy. I need more than your eyewitness testimony, though. And in modern times, I need more than a photograph. Today Photoshop software probably has a UFO button. I'm not saying we haven't been visited; I'm saying the evidence brought forth thus far does not satisfy the standards of evidence that any scientist would require for any other claim. So here's what I recommend for the next time you're abducted into a flying saucer. You're there on the slab, where of course the aliens do their sex experiments on you, and they're poking you with their instruments. Here's what you do. Yell out to the alien who's probing you, "Hey! Look over there!" And when the alien looks over there, you quickly snatch something off his shelf-an ashtray, anything-put it in your pocket, and lie back down. Then when your encounter is over and done with, you come to my lab and say, "Look what I stole from the flying saucer!" Once you bring the gizmo to the lab, the issue is no longer about eyewitness testimony, because you'll have an object of alien manufacture-and anything you pull off a flying saucer that crossed the galaxy is bound to be interesting. Even objects produced by our own culture are interesting-like my iPhone. Not long ago, the people in power might have resurrected the witch-burning laws had I pulled this thing out. So if we could get hold of some piece of technology that had crossed the galaxy, then we could have a conversation about UFOs and extraterrestrials. Go ahead, keep trying to find them; I won't stop you. But get ready for the night you'll be abducted, because when it happens, I'll want your evidence. Many people, including all the amateur astronomers in the world, spend a lot of time looking up. We walk out of a building, we look up. Doesn't matter what's happening, we're looking up. Yet UFO sightings are not higher among amateur astronomers than they are among the general public. In fact, they're lower. Why is that so? Because we know sky phenomena. It's what we study. One UFO sighting in Ohio was reported by a police officer. Some people think that if you're a sheriff or a pilot or a member of the military, your testimony is somehow better than that of the average person. But everyone's testimony is bad, because we're all human. This particular police officer was tracking a light that was darting back and forth in the sky. He was chasing it in his squad car. Later it turned out that the cop was chasing the planet Venus, and that he was driving on a curved road. He was so distracted by Venus that he wasn't even conscious of turning his steering wheel back and forth. It's yet another reminder of how feeble our sensory organs are—especially when we're confronted with unfamiliar phenomena, let alone when we're trying to describe them. Space Chronicles: Facing the Ultimate Frontier by Neil deGrasse Tyson has been reprinted with permission from W. W. Norton & Company. All rights reserved. Full size Space Chronicles: Facing the Ultimate Frontier by Neil deGrasse Tyson is available from Amazon Image: Fer Gregory / Shutterstock
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Post by paulette on Apr 27, 2012 23:13:32 GMT -6
The bring-me-the-ashtray-article. I believe I've read this earlier - here or on UFOmania or even Mufon.
Absolutely, If I'm on the ship I'll swallow, stuff, or in some way sneak something off the ship. I promise. It's on my bucket list - even if I'm forever discredited, run off the road and have an "accident" or end up in the back ward somewhere.
Of course, my mind will be shouting - "I've Got it! I've Got it!" Which will probably result in a little more lost time while said object is retreived. And if I'm in my car and have a phone that takes pictures (which I don't have) and something is hovering over the road I WILL TAKE PICTURES. Probably shaky useless pictures but I will give it my best shot. Meanwhile my mind will be shouting....etc.
Now factor in (besides telepathic defence manuvers on behalf of the Vistors) the EXTREME FEAR FACTOR. Have you ever been afraid? How afraid??? Thought you were going to die? Pretty much KNEW you were going to die? I have - I've been out in 20 feet of water with a two foot boogie board and fins with a shark on the surface of the water coming towards me. And my 8 year old son there with me. That pretty well was me peaking on fear. Not only that I was going to die but that I might see him die. Or he might see me die. In a messy dramatic way.
I was MORE AFRAID than that the night we went to "meet the visitors" and were turned back. And I lay on a bed and wondered almost dispassionately if my heart was going to fail. So I said/projected, "I am scared to death". That's when I "fell asleep". Oh yeah. Some things stick with you.
I'm not dissing the scientist. I understand how it works. One needs evidence. None of us have any. (a few people may have had some - bits from Roswell - but it was taken away.) Some people have cameras and films and such "taken away". By someone or other. But mostly -
No one grabs the ashtray. Note to self. If I find myself in another situation in which everything I used to believe is stood on its head - grab the ashtray. Maybe one of us will. Hope I'll be able to talk to you afterwards....
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Post by skywalker on Apr 28, 2012 0:40:45 GMT -6
That interview was posted before here on a video but never written out. That's probably why you remember it, Paulette. I can't say anything bad about Neil Tyson. The dude, in my opinion, is amazing. He makes science interesting to listen to and to learn and that's the kind of person we need more of. I admit he does sort of dismiss UFOs every now and then but he has also put up some pretty good arguments in favor of them too...or at least in favor of alien life. I've been watching videos of him giving lectures for the past several hours. I think he is cool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 3:34:19 GMT -6
Ive always liked him since I first heard him speak . As an experiencer I can understand Ck's view. He could've had a better choice of words in some of his presentation Imo. What he doesn't understand is that some of these types of entities have the ability to paralyze their victim so the ashtray probably wont be presented to him anytime soon. As far as evidence, all I have is my word. Im a believer that a man is only as good as his word is. I understand though that with his profession as a scientist you have to prove that they do exist. I wish I knew which ufo case he is referring to. If its the one Im suspecting( Trumbell County Disturbance ), he may want to double check the story before dismissing it as the planet Venus because there were several officers and eyewitnesses from different counties and 2 states that all described the same thing. Just because the guys at Project Blue Book say it was Venus doesn't mean a thing either if he looks at both sides of the coin. All he has is their word too, and they was'nt even there to witness the event. I would suspect that something may have been on radar for them to scramble 2 jets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 3:49:47 GMT -6
That interview was posted before here on a video but never written out. That's probably why you remember it, Paulette. I can't say anything bad about Neil Tyson. The dude, in my opinion, is amazing. He makes science interesting to listen to and to learn and that's the kind of person we need more of. I admit he does sort of dismiss UFOs every now and then but he has also put up some pretty good arguments in favor of them too...or at least in favor of alien life. I've been watching videos of him giving lectures for the past several hours. I think he is cool. Yea... I believe Steve posted the video of him on here somewhere... don't remember where... I like the guy personally. He has a lot of charisma and seems to really know what he is talking about- But I do see it from Citizen's perspective too... sometimes scientists like him touch on the sensitive nerves of experiencers... he did touch on a couple of mine as I recall when I first watched the video--- But on the same token I can absolutely understand where he is coming from... Paulette-about the being afraid thing... I hear you there... I would definitely have been terrified of a shark coming at me and a child... It's a miracle you were able to survive that situation!! ~hugz~ I have endured a lot of scary things in my life... a near-miss car accident at 60 mph... almost sliding off of a cliff in my car on ice at 40 mph... almost getting run over by a big semi... on two separate occasions... almost getting run over while crossing the street near my high school by a fat lady in a minivan who was turning left... that time the two wolves came out of the woods snarling at me... ...but... In those situations I knew what to do. I knew what I was dealing with and I did the best I could and thankfully did not die... But let me tell you- when I woke up in the living room when I was 8 years old and I saw those thin gray monsters standing around in front of me I was the most terrified I think I have ever been in my entire life... because I did not know WHAT they were, I did not know WHY they were there and I had no idea what they were capable of doing... they were just there... The fact that I was a child may also have something to do with that... but... the fact that I was unable to run to my mother or scream for her to save me or move or speak at all made it that much worse... I thought I was going to die. I thought they were going to kill me and eat me or take me away somewhere and I would never see my family again... all of this was going through my head as I was watching them... what if- what if- what if- Then when the one looked at me it intensified the fear because I knew then that they knew I was there... they were aware of my presence... Then... one of them walks over to me and gets right up in my face and stares at me... I just KNEW he was going to eat me... I just KNEW it... I don't think I've ever been more scared in my entire life than I was in that moment when he got up in my face and stared at me... because I had absolutely no idea what to expect... maybe he was going to open his mouth and show me dripping fangs or something heck if I knew... Of course he also did to me what they did to you Paulette... made me "go to sleep"... but still... I was not a happy relaxed child when I woke up from that sleep... I was looking under my bed and out the window and still freaking out until I was sure they were gone... and it was safe to go to my parents... so I ran as fast as I could to them and told them what happened... How can you grab an ashtray if you're paralyzed and terrified out of your mind? I think that's part of the reason why they paralyze us... so we CAN'T grab the ashtray... ...but it would be nice if someone could... then the scientists would have their proof... maybe... if MUFON or the government doesn't make the evidence disappear... which (it is rumored) they have done before...
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Post by swamprat on Apr 28, 2012 7:39:10 GMT -6
CK, don't be discouraged. You're right, some of his comments are ill chosen. But, I think, in the large scheme of things, it is refreshing to see a few scientists begin to step out of the cage called "scientific discipline" and think "outside the box". Tyson and Kaku are two of those few.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 28, 2012 9:14:27 GMT -6
That's the reason why I listen to those two. I don't care what any of the other close-minded scientific clowns say.
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Post by Steve on Apr 28, 2012 14:08:13 GMT -6
This is a new and interesting discussion that seems to have literally popped up here overnight. I think a lot of Dr. Tyson, I even use some of his ideas in my talks because they are true to the best we know at present. With all that, Tyson goes up to and just short of considering the UFO question and even the more controversial abduction question. Amazingly the Larson cartoon at the bottom of the article is exactly the same cartoon I have framed on my office wall! ;D The fact that he seems (along with many other scientists) to not wish to consider an alien race might not be hundreds - but he admits - maybe millions of years more advanced would ever visit us (or consider visiting us - and undoubtedly sure we also would not be the only place they would visit) they might be very capable manipulating our reality based on our human senses along with (dare I write) an ability to travel here too? Fairly recent pillars of our present science (laughing at 'pillars' - those pillars science clings to - Einstein and quantum theory which made Einstein nervous - as it does most of us) being only 100 years old - that certain things are absolutes. Among them being nothing - energy, physical objects, information - cannot travel faster than light. Maybe it can, maybe it can't. Another assumption by Dr. Tyson and others is these supposed visiting aliens must be coming here to have an intellectual conversation with us! Evidence (if Tyson ever bothered to look closer) shows...not necessarily! As Madonna used to say - 'Not!' ;D Personally I quietly suspect perhaps too, scientists like Tyson which I am fond of, maybe jealous. Why would aliens travel as far as they do (or so scientists think) and contact Joe blow, or Jane doe, and not someone like him? You know...'a scientist', intelligent, articulate and like other scientists - drowning in student loan debt? ;D The question being the distances are so vast. All true, but what if space itself can be altered? You can't go faster than light - perhaps - but maybe the distances can be vastly shortened? There is so much still we do not know - and any scientist worth his or her salt will admit that - at least those not threatened by the perceived assault on their comfortable logical paradigm of grant based science. Importantly coinciding with this is also our lack of knowledge of the human mind (the brain). The common phrase is we maybe using only 10% of our brain's capacity. A more accurate statement of reality - and based on a close medical friend (a physician) talking with me the other day about just this very topic - we really know only 10% how the mind works or in identifying all it contains. That is a big difference. How does the human mind do so many functions autonomously and consciously analytically with so little electrical energy? About 20% of the human body's total energy is devoted to brain function - that's a big portion. All that the brain knows about itself - much of it is still a great mystery. So to say we can be telepathic or not, telekinetic or not no one can honestly say yet. The universe as we know it is all based on what this same human body organ we call the brain only perceives it to be! It seems there is still so much we need to understand about both! Here in my abduction research are a few of my own things I look for in understanding what may seem credible or not about abductions. I read so many mufon reports and others - looking for how the investigator arrives at some of their conclusions - as well as the descriptions by the witnesses themselves. I do not necessarily disagree or agree with the investigator findings. But seldom in reports does an investigator ever describe 'why' & 'how' they have formed their conclusions. That is important too. How often have I read by a seemingly competent investigator - "the witness seems truthful and very credible". Oh? Demonstrate in the report why they formed that view please. Someone who is mentally delusional in describing the same experience will be exactly the same! They will come across as 'truthful and very credible' too - because they sincerely believe it to be so - such as it is. So how can one begin to distinguish the difference perhaps further? One of two answers to that question I have learned are these. The subject making such claims will be more credible if they admit they are not really sure about much of what may have really happened. When the witness seems sure - that can be troublesome. The other importantly is how scared are they? Like I have related in earlier posts - when you can see their body language - their lower lip drop - the dilation of their eyes - associated with fear - you cannot fake that. I am not divulging investigative secrets to potential hoaxers by this - because as I write - you cannot fake this. It can be related consciously or unconsciously - in hypnosis regressions or not. This in and of itself does not prove they were abducted - but it does profoundly tell me clearly something quite shattering has occurred to them and it deserves our attention. I recently was asked to investigate a 'missing time' claim in another state. I recently finished my report day before yesterday. The claim was two people were out walking at midnight - and encountered a light 'bright as the sun', one tripped running away - the other supposedly enveloped in a bright light. I always do much preparation before contacting the witness - you would be surprised how few those - both in Mufon and out - do not prepare familiarizing themselves before a case. It is not prejudicial to gather some hard facts first. One fact was checking the sky / weather conditions the night of the alleged event. NOAA (National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration) keeps concise weather historical records. I interviewed the witness by phone. The tone was friendly and the witness forthcoming. They recited verbatim their written statement. At the appropriate moment in their description of the object reported - I asked them what the sky conditions were. 'Warm and clear - stars out". My historical records shown checking earlier the actual conditions were foggy, overcast, light rain, and on the last evening - heavy rain - average temperature 52 degrees (F) . I checked over a span of three days before and after the event date in case the witness could not remember the actual date of their alleged experience. They could not also adequately describe what they thought they had experienced what they claimed to be 'missing time' (2 hours). The story related also did not have a conclusion. The witnesses voice sounded to be searching for words. At no time did I express disagreement, I just listened and asked the important framework questions. Now, in fairness - many would not be sure if they experienced 'missing time' or not. Most experiencers that seem credible would still be processing that in their own minds. Yet still, one would think walking in the open air at night - one would have remembered if it was raining or not - because simply rain is wet. Also, I asked why the delay (2 weeks) in reporting their event. They said they needed to read up on as many abduction cases as they could. They remarked about the 'Cash-Landrum' experience (not a CE-4 case best we can tell) describing it occurred in their state not far from them. It occurred in Texas - and so it could not have been close historically to where they lived. Also the other witness was unavailable for comment. I had to chalk up this case as a clear 'hoax'. Contrast that with a case that occurred only a year previous and unbeknownst to the first case's witness which was only ironically just 30 miles away - where two of the experiencers were so afraid they did not leave their home - never leaving the sight of the other after the experience - for an entire week! Now that's scared! Their descriptions of the weather among many other facts tallied also. So Dr. Tyson (I think he is fabulous as a speaker and scientist) should really look a bit deeper into abductions my opinion. His intellect and rational humor might see what me and others could perhaps be seeing - that there is among the loud background noise something very significant occurring worth scientific consideration. The abduction phenomenon whatever it truly is will continue anyway - I just hate to see 'science' harming itself by being so dis-curious. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 15:49:57 GMT -6
Very awesome post Steve... I enjoyed reading it- but I have nothing to say about it for some reason... just- that's really cool.
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Post by skywalker on Apr 28, 2012 16:12:51 GMT -6
Actually Tyson has considered some of those things that you mentioned. I watched a video of him talking about whether or not we are alone in the universe and he thinks that there definitely is life on other planets. www.wimp.com/disturbingthought/Here are a few of his quotes from the video: "If we ask ourselves if we are alone in the universe it would be...in spite of my diatribe about UFOs...I would tell you in the same breath that it would be inexcusably egocentric to suggest that we are alone in the cosmos."Here's another one: "It may be...that given the right ingredients, which are everywhere, life may be inevitable...an inevitable consequence of complex chemistry."He also talks about how humans share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees yet that 1% difference in DNA is what makes us so far advanced in intelligence. He then goes on to ask what if another life form was just 1% different from us? They would be so far advanced that we would look like "drooling, blithering idiots in their presence." He ends up by saying: "I lie awake at night wondering if whether simply we as a species are simply too stupid to figure out the universe that we're investigating, and maybe we need some other species 1% smarter than we are...for which string theory would be intuitive...for which all the greatest mysteries of the universe like dark matter, dark energy, the origins of life, and all the frontiers of our thought would be something that they would just self intuit. I'm jealous of that possibility because I want to be around for those discoveries."It's things like this that make me really respect the dude. He actually uses his brain for something other than just a catalog of skepticisms like a lot of other scientists seem to be doing.
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Post by Steve on Apr 28, 2012 16:17:48 GMT -6
Actually Tyson has considered some of those things that you mentioned. I watched a video of him talking about whether or not we are alone in the universe and he thinks that there definitely is life on other planets. www.wimp.com/disturbingthought/Here are a few of his quotes from the video: "If we ask ourselves if we are alone in the universe it would be...in spite of my diatribe about UFOs...I would tell you in the same breath that it would be inexcusably egocentric to suggest that we are alone in the cosmos."Here's another one: "It may be...that given the right ingredients, which are everywhere, life may be inevitable...an inevitable consequence of complex chemistry."He also talks about how humans share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees yet that 1% difference in DNA is what makes us so far advanced in intelligence. He then goes on to ask what if another life form was just 1% different from us? They would be so far advanced that we would look like "drooling, blithering idiots in their presence." He ends up by saying: "I lie awake at night wondering if whether simply we as a species are simply too stupid to figure out the universe that we're investigating, and maybe we need some other species 1% smarter than we are...for which string theory would be intuitive...for which all the greatest mysteries of the universe like dark matter, dark energy, the origins of life, and all the frontiers of our thought would be something that they would just self intuit. I'm jealous of that possibility because I want to be around for those discoveries."It's things like this that make me really respect the dude. He actually uses his brain for something other than just a catalog of skepticisms like a lot of other scientists seem to be doing. I don't disagree Sky. I totally agree. But like I wrote Tyson (love that guy) goes up to but falls short of considering someone out there might be capable of or would ever want to visit us here. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 16:23:21 GMT -6
I think the world of the man. He might have been a little more choosy in his choice of terms and it rubs a little tender that he's a bit 'glib' about the 'sex experiment' thing but we need hard science involved and I think the guy is amazing.
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Post by paulette on Apr 28, 2012 23:32:03 GMT -6
Interesting. For my part - I am not arguing the point that hard science needs hard evidence.
I LIKE the fact that Steve brought in - that a fear reaction cannot be faked (well...if someone is under physiological observation with instruments and/or with a trained observer). This is the basis of polygraphs (in reverse) - one cannot totally suppress a fear/anxious reaction. (unless one is sociopathic and truly does not fear lying or its consequences).
I was interested and impressed Steve that you check the weather (and, I imagine get local maps and check directions) and also check whether there was a moon or even where Venus was.) That allows to determine whether there is congruence in the report with the actual conditions of the time reported.
I just wanted to elaborate on the fact that bringing back the ashtray may not be as simple as merely picking it up and secreting it somewhere. (Hard to steal from telepaths).
Regarding fear reactions in spite of having no memories: I worked with a counsellor (now retired) who had a client who had been in an accident and had amnesia for the event and even time afterwards. But he exhibited PTSD symptoms - frightening (but nonspecific dreams), avoidance of cars, hyperstartle reactions. So they went back to the scene (a regression) and my colleague noted that his eyes dialated and he shook even though he couldn't "remember". Part of him clearly COULD remember. They were able to work with that and eventually (with a trusting interaction in which the client did not have to fear ridicule or doubts of what had really happened) he recovered more with his "thinking" brain and could establish safety for himself and move out of a seemingly unavoidable trauma reaction. I agree with Steve - one doesn't always know WHAT frightened someone - but that they are frightened even in recalling an incident is significant.
To everyone who reported their own fears - I'm going with, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." It might not always be true but it is comforting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 0:50:40 GMT -6
I think you're right Pauline. All of our life experiences are designed to make us stronger..fear included.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 3:58:32 GMT -6
~nods~ Thanks for sharing the story about your counselor friend... that was a very interesting read... "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is a good motto to go by... ...but... I've always liked a different one however- for I am the eternal pessimist: "Life's a ***ch and then you die."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 10:44:57 GMT -6
Hmmm that might be prompted by what you've been going through lately. I've another theory but I'm guessing this is more than theory. If we are too enamored of life here..would we ever want to move on? If we're in pain and miserable..then the other side doesn't seem so dismal and in a lot of cases..preferable. I think it's when we can't release this life that we linger here and don't move on. Right now life for you is no rose garden Lorelei but always remember..you could wake up tomorrow and........... find yourself aboard an alien craft..princess of all the aliens and romantically involved with a giant toad man from the 9th dimenson ;D Life could be goooooooooooood.
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Post by paulette on Apr 29, 2012 11:11:18 GMT -6
Jokelly - I think the birthing and dying are very similar. Some people have very uneventful births or deaths. They go to the bathroom and oops the baby is crowning. One little push and...Or they die in their sleep.
But for most, birthing and dying is WORK. To let go is difficult. Some hang on and on - to life or to the baby until they realize - I'll do ANYTHING TO GET THIS DONE. To observers it might look difficult. To the person whose body is having to do the doing they then are in a clear channel and can get what needs to be done, done. Many people can forstall their birthing or dying until an important person shows up. Some cannot.
But as for "here" (and initially I thought you meant here as in, TEOR) being painful and miserable so that one wants to go - I'm not signing on for that workshop if I can help it. But if we get to chose our deaths (and I'm not at all convinced of that but if we do)...a different ME than me choses - one who is impartial to hard lessons and will accept hard times as part of the learning process. IMO
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Post by skywalker on Apr 29, 2012 16:30:20 GMT -6
Sometimes God puts people through hell on earth so they will appreciate Heaven when they get there.That's a quote I remember reading in The Exorcist. Makes sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 17:13:37 GMT -6
Yep it does. ;D
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Post by ross on Apr 30, 2012 14:49:50 GMT -6
As much as this meme makes ufo communities look bad. I still think his hair cut is hilarious. I think it's fair to say if we don't know what that light is in the sky, we shouldn't just automatically conform our thoughts to: "It must be an airplane." Or "it must be a satellite." It should be considered just as narrow minded.
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Post by skywalker on May 1, 2012 17:29:58 GMT -6
Dude does have some wild hair. I think he is going for the "insane Einstein" look.
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Post by ufo4peace on May 2, 2012 21:35:02 GMT -6
[ I have endured a lot of scary things in my life... a near-miss car accident at 60 mph... almost sliding off of a cliff in my car on ice at 40 mph... almost getting run over by a big semi... on two separate occasions... almost getting run over while crossing the street near my high school by a fat lady in a minivan who was turning left... that time the two wolves came out of the woods snarling at me... Could have been The Greys who saved you.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 3:10:39 GMT -6
[ I have endured a lot of scary things in my life... a near-miss car accident at 60 mph... almost sliding off of a cliff in my car on ice at 40 mph... almost getting run over by a big semi... on two separate occasions... almost getting run over while crossing the street near my high school by a fat lady in a minivan who was turning left... that time the two wolves came out of the woods snarling at me... Could have been The Greys who saved you. Nahhh. It was your mom. Jo, paulette, I really enjoyed reading both of your posts... Jo, you seem still to be a bit on the down side- and I really hope things start to perk up for you also during these turbulent waters both you and I seem to be going through... ~hugz~ Paulette- that childbirth reference is incredible. You definitely got my mind working on that one even though it is something that I have yet to experience- it makes perfect sense. Have you ever seen that show on tv about women who didn't know they were pregnant? Very interesting and frightening stories... one of them was a lady who worked at a fast food restaurant as a manager. She kept on having her period, didn't gain any weight and never really thought she could be pregnant until one day at work she went to the bathroom with severe abdominal cramps and WHOOPS! A baby came out! Scary stuff for sure... definitely the stuff nightmares are made of... It actually happened to an internet friend of mine. She didn't know she was pregnant until she was six months along... the father of her child is a dear friend of mine (they were in a long distance relationship you see). She went and did something stupid... went to an herbalist who gave her a potion to drink which would cause her to have a late-term miscarriage and she buried the infant under a tree outside the low-income boarding house she was living in... my dear male friend has never been the same since he learned what she had done to his son... it practically destroyed him because he has always wanted a child of his own... He called me up on the phone the night after she told him, drunk and sobbing and kept repeating over and over again, "She killed my son! That B*** killed MY SON!! How could she DO that?!" ~shakes head~ There is a lot of suffering in this world we live in...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2012 3:15:42 GMT -6
Who needs to watch soap operas when they have friends like mine...
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Post by auntym on Sept 23, 2012 14:25:06 GMT -6
www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/InExUniverse_specialoffer.aspx?ai=69257&cm_mmc=googleadwords-_-G.Display-InExUniverse-_-DarkEnergy-_-300x250-DarkEnergy-_-dark%20matter&gclid=CJSk6eXCzLICFQP0nAodZX8AXw The Inexplicable Universe[/color] “We know a lot about the universe. But there’s even more that we don’t know,” says astrophysicist and Professor Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium, an award-winning lecturer, and one of the world’s foremost experts on the secrets of the universe. What is our latest picture of some of the most inexplicable features of the universe? What still remains to be uncovered? What are some of the next avenues of exploration for today’s chemists, physicists, biologists, and astronomers? The answers to these questions lie at the forefront of science: How the Universe began? If it was in a Big Bang, then what existed before the Big Bang? Is our Universe the only Universe? Will our Universe ever end? If so, how? What, exactly, is matter? The ancient Greeks believed there were four fundamental constituents of matter – Fire, Air, Earth, and Water. Then we discovered the atom and believed that it was the smallest type of indivisible substance. Then we discovered that the atom could be split. Now the standard model predicts the existence of no less than 17 elementary particles. Are these elementary particles made of up something even smaller? How did Life begin from Non-Life? If the Big Bang Theory is correct then it is a fact that a giant cloud of hydrogen, given enough time, can self-assemble into sentient beings capable of rational thought. How is this even possible? Many people can understand how complex structures such as stars and planets can be formed, but how does one go from rocks, gas, and metals to things that can breathe, eat, reproduce, and think? What types of things exist in the Universe? Before 1925, we thought that the Milky Way Galaxy was for all intents and purposes, the entire Universe. Today we know that it is only one of at least one hundred billion galaxies. Along the way, we’ve discovered such oddities as pulsars, white dwarfs, red giants, black holes, and much more. Now scientists believe that up to 90% of the mass of the universe, known as dark matter, is effectively invisible to detection. And it’s possible that even what we consider to be completely empty space has tremendous energy potential – Dark Energy. Can Dark Matter and Dark Energy be explained by modern physics? CONTINUE READING: www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/InExUniverse_specialoffer.aspx?ai=69257&cm_mmc=googleadwords-_-G.Display-InExUniverse-_-DarkEnergy-_-300x250-DarkEnergy-_-dark%20matter&gclid=CJSk6eXCzLICFQP0nAodZX8AXw
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Post by auntym on Nov 8, 2012 11:57:26 GMT -6
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Post by auntym on Dec 17, 2012 14:15:54 GMT -6
neiltyson "If you're always successful at BS'ing it's because you are not hanging around people who are smarter than you."
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Post by plutronus on Dec 18, 2012 3:34:58 GMT -6
neiltyson " If you're always successful at BS'ing it's because you are not hanging around people who are smarter than you." Hah hah hah, oh that is great! Hah hah.
plutronus
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Post by auntym on Dec 20, 2012 12:06:55 GMT -6
neiltyson Test how strongly your friends believe the World will end Dec 21. Invite them to sign all their assets over to you by Dec 20.
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Post by auntym on Jan 29, 2013 12:50:25 GMT -6
neiltyson Just to settle it once and for all: Which came first the Chicken or the Egg? The Egg -- laid by a bird that was not a Chicken
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