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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 12:47:27 GMT -6
CitizenK. Thanks for the dialogue. I was hypnotized but could not break through. The woman working with me was not experienced in dealing with alien blocks (if such a thing exists). I have heard words from dead people I love and even received verbal advice in my mind that was not from anyone I "knew". In both cases the advice was timely and helped me deal with a difficult situation that was unfolding quickly. Just not any of the situations that seem to be with Visitors. I'm not saying they didn't call me. They just didn't use words. And this gets me thinking, I wonder if sometimes the "Visitors" use their technology to block telepathic messages that we would normally receive from others? Don't get me wrong, I don't think the "visitors" are all powerful and can block those other messages completely. We still get them, just not so timely (in our own opinion) or the message is "watered down". Hmmmmmmmmm. I can see how the "visitors" would benefit from this. Namely, causing some extra confusion or helplessness, which makes the human more emotional, and sending out that emotional signal. . . . I wouldn't be surprised if different "visitors" (both benign and preditory) worked together for their common "good". Another reason we are so confusing to them; they can't understand why we don't realize our "good and Bad" bounce off of each other.
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Post by plutronus on Dec 23, 2012 0:10:30 GMT -6
not trying to throw a wrench in your beliefs by saying this but perhaps your praying for protection from them (and them hearing this) makes them realize you still aren't ready to "deal" with them so that tip toe around you? Just a thought... I personally hear via telepathy from guides, Source, my children, my sibling, my husband, and aliens. As the scientist in the book says, it really is just a muscle that needs exercised. Anyone can use it. I use mine often and for many purposes. I've always known we can do this, and yes, possibly due to my experiences with the aliens, so it is nothing of huge significance to me, since it is "normal". Come to think of it, I don't believe I even found it to be significant in my first total recall of being with the aliens and they communicated in this manner to calm me! Like I already knew then .... I found the bulk of this book to be boring probably for that reason, it isn't anything "new" to me, so my go to in the book was what these conversations all had in common. Which also is nothing new, but I find it more interesting personally than the telepathy itself. Yes, while the bulk of the book is boring to those of us who are functionally psychic to some extent, and within today's social Spiritual acceptance context.
But the overall 'message' connoted is strange, which certainly doesn't 'fit' the popular 'Debbi' theme of the early 1990s InterNet which is so prevalently appra pro today. Not intending to be rude, however, all in all, I think most folks miss the point of the experiment. The **SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT** was not about proving telepathy with ET exists or the fact that ALL consciousness is in fact telepathic which is also an underlying foundational point, but rather, the revelation that there exists a bias of the bio-mechanical process that is influenced by the differences of the physiology between specie. Most of us reading this, very likely (unless are very much older than myself) grew up in the 'New Age' social environment (secretly promoted by the Rosicrucians through the Masonic influence of the creation of the US Constitution, enabled freedom of Spiritual practice from the suppression of the Vatican, and as such the current environment generally condones the notion of advanced Spiritual practices, as well as the open discussions of, and including open telepathic practice, etc, rather than as the previous centuries, of out-right suppression of, and punishment for thinking, talking and practicing telepathy.
The message of the book, is not about the message received or about the physical layer of the communication method...telepathy, although Dr. Elkins, being thorough, does take time to establish the foundation for the veracity of the comm channel, eg, 'telepathy'. The message exposes the problem of interspeciel incommensurability. In simple speak, the book reveals, layer by layer, the vast obvious differences in the way ET 'think' in relation with that of Human thinking and vice versa. Its a bit like transliterating ancient Hebrew (Divine praying language) into Latin (mundane intellectual language), there is always something missing or twisted or just simply wrong in the translation. In other words, simply using and relying on telepathy does not effectively bridge the divide between species, there is always something wrong with the message or our understanding of it, unless of course, one's mirror is clear (and who has a clear mirror?); while certain elements of information apparently have some basis in commonality or there would exist no understanding at all.
You can not trust what is subconsciously REASONED that ET telepathically 'tells' us.
That's the message of the book.
Ho, ho, ho, any day now! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 12:39:01 GMT -6
We have absolutely no idea of how we might have been manipulated or influenced by any entities out there. Critters from other dimensions..calling themselves aliens or calling themselves demons or calling themselves saints..who would know this? Telepathic doesn't draw a picture..it imprints a voice. Whose..eh..up to the honesty of the sender. Entities could plant abductions..visitations..alien star bases..bases on the moon..the will to shoot ones self..or to drive a car into traffic..are they? We just do not know that. If you're truly open minded it doesn't mean you just believe in aliens..it also means you are open to other possibilities...they probably just aren't the ones you want to think about. A voice in the head..has told people to kill their families..I try to remember that. If I shun 'open' contact with just any only thing...this is why. It's not that I am not able..I've been able to do that since I was a child...it is that I am terrified of knocking on the wrong door.
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Post by paulette on Dec 23, 2012 13:05:50 GMT -6
"The message of the book, is not about the message received or about the physical layer of the communication method...telepathy, although Dr. Elkins, being thorough, does take time to establish the foundation for the veracity of the comm channel, eg, 'telepathy'. The message exposes the problem of interspeciel incommensurability. In simple speak, the book reveals, layer by layer, the vast obvious differences in the way ET 'think' in relation with that of Human thinking and vice versa. Its a bit like transliterating ancient Hebrew (Divine praying language) into Latin (mundane intellectual language), there is always something missing or twisted or just simply wrong in the translation. In other words, simply using and relying on telepathy does not effectively bridge the divide between species, there is always something wrong with the message or our understanding of it, unless of course, one's mirror is clear (and who has a clear mirror?); while certain elements of information apparently have some basis in commonality or there would exist no understanding at all. You can not trust what is subconsciously REASONED that ET telepathically 'tells' us. That's the message of the book" - Plutronis Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ufos&thread=3055&page=2#37254#ixzz2Fu3yynwFI haven't read the book but I resonate with what Plutronis wrote. Specifically, I felt that when Steve was reporting his accounts of channeling Han and Han always deftly ducked any serious questions like: Do your folk abduct? Do you attempt to stop those who do? Are you going to make your presence known anytime soon? Han was "honest" to a certain point. Perhaps. Or he didn't see the reason in answering the questions - which is what we humans are about - What, Where, When, Who, Why?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 16:54:45 GMT -6
I've thought about it for a long time..and however intriguing...I put 'Han' in the category of a Ouija board but telepathically given rather than spelled out. We have no idea...who provides that input...or what. His 'channeling' can be of anything..any dimension..or a real ET. We have no way of knowing. I'd have to wade back through it..but I am pretty sure Han said..his people were not the ones abducting and they did not approve of those who were but would not interfere. And that they looked the same. This bothered me more than if he had said they were the culprits. Too many humans..see something they don't like..someone picking on someone else ..bullying..but they won't get involved. THAT was enough to niggle my spidey sense about 'Han'. That and his name was just too much like Solo. Maybe had it be Mbvewelix or something along those lines..I'd still be intrigued. I don't like him...whoever he is.
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Post by lois on Dec 23, 2012 21:58:43 GMT -6
I agree with Jo. I was never sure that hans was a alien from outer space. I don't think there would of been all those questions answered if alien as I don't think aliens care a dang about us for one thing . And to sit chat in this fashion is not like any alien I know. They may of been tapping into something more sinister ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 23:45:17 GMT -6
I agree Lois..too much information too freely given...BUT it should make a good book
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 9:42:07 GMT -6
I don't know. . . aren't there quite a few books like this already? I'm just still hoping that the whole experience is a good one .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 9:49:42 GMT -6
not trying to throw a wrench in your beliefs by saying this but perhaps your praying for protection from them (and them hearing this) . . . And this is a question that I have. Since we are talking about telepathy, do "they" (whoever) hear you praying in your head? Why does their seem to be more "power" (please don't ask me to explain) when we say things out loud? Maybe being able to use telepathy on a regular basis is part and parcel of "taming us". Sure, I can shout in my head, but it sure feels different when I shout out loud. And not just for me .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 11:01:04 GMT -6
JC...I am POSITIVE that is how they were attracted to me when I was 5. My parents were going through a divorce..and in childish passion I was praying and crying and praying to not let them split up. To this day I think my prayers were intercepted because the one in my room showed up very soon after and stuck whatever it did in my ear and lojacked me for later attention. A prayer IS a telepathic communication with God (IMO) or what amounts to one. Those who believe in God..would also believe he hears silent prayer..I don't think he's the only one who does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 13:41:50 GMT -6
When I think about the grays I feel a ping in my head... and it raises the hair up on my arms and the back of my neck... I'm not sure if this is just the emotional reaction I have to them- or if it's them "listening" to my thoughts...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 13:43:21 GMT -6
You know sometimes when you get that feeling that you're being "watched" when you're driving home from work at 11 pm in the dark in the wilderness... yea... that is the same feeling. It's like they're watching me... then I slam on the accelerator so I can get home faster... Like being in that house offers me some degree of protection... I guess...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 13:45:30 GMT -6
Of course I never feel safe when I'm in a house where everyone else is asleep... I've been that way since I was a little girl. When I'm the only one awake I get nervous. Real nervous... I check on the sleeping people... and don't want to be alone...
Mom lets me get in bed with her now though that dad is gone. She openly invited me while he was in the hospital... I've only done it twice in the past month though. I wanted to last night but I resisted the feeling, took some relaxation medicine and went to sleep in my room...
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Post by plutronus on Dec 24, 2012 17:54:14 GMT -6
Of course I never feel safe when I'm in a house where everyone else is asleep... I've been that way since I was a little girl. When I'm the only one awake I get nervous. Real nervous... I check on the sleeping people... and don't want to be alone... Mom lets me get in bed with her now though that dad is gone. She openly invited me while he was in the hospital... I've only done it twice in the past month though. I wanted to last night but I resisted the feeling, took some relaxation medicine and went to sleep in my room... You might consider wearing a tin-foil hat, or better, an anti-static hat. While the clueless may laugh at this, it does offer some protection, in my opinion. I've included a photo of one being worn by an authentic ET experiencer. The 'knowledge' to wear it, was just a 'knowingness'. It helped the experiencer.
But if you really wanna kick that spacial door shut, I highly recommend that you meditatively chant:
"Ah Knee - Yode Hay Vahv Hay - Ah Hah Vah"
אני יהוה אהבה
It is an ancient Hebrew root Mantra, transliterated into Latin, it sort-of means, "I Am God Love". Repeating this formula, moves your Tree-Of-Life manifestation template into coherent (one pure tonal vibration) resonance with your true Self, God. Chanting this formula ('spell') you slowly, and gently, (safely) become God-Love and simultaneously decrystalize your Samskaric residue, dematerialize your accrued Kharmic conditions which improves your manifestational existence within time-line.
While repeating the Mantra, try to visualize that one thing that is most dearest to you, whether it be the Love of Quan Yin or the Master YeHehShuVaH (Jesus), or Jehovah (God), etc, visualize that in your heart-center.
The more difficult it is to remember and to mentally say the Hebrew 'words' is an indication of the amount of influence the entities have. When I began doing this Mantra, I could feel something moving around inside my skull. This stuff is like an insecticide for intradimensional 'ET', it really works, just like a can of Raid with bugs, and the neato thing about it all, you don't even have to believe that it works, just like using a can of Raid (tm), you squirt'm and they drop dead, maybe not right away, but they do! And the beautiful part about it all, is that its not negative, because it is Love based. You vibrate yourself right out of their frequency!!!! However, there is no instant solution in real life, the amount effort ya put in, is equal to the amount of protection it provides. But it is lasting one.
This root Mantra is the POWER that I used to rid myself of the intradimensional entities that were masquerading around as 'ET'.
Love,
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 24, 2012 21:29:47 GMT -6
Plutronus, you never cease to amaze me with your vast knowledge of so many wonderful and interesting things! I do mantra's for various reasons but had never heard of this one but will be using it now for certain! Lorelei; I can relate to being the unnerved by the notion I am the only one awake! I am the night owl of the family and am fine until around 3am and then I start getting more "on guard" for what may be lurking...funny how 3am is the 'magic' number that so many resonate with isn't it??? My Cherokee grandfather always referred to it as the "witching hour"... (which I feel now is a rather prejudice word since much of how I live and practice could be referred to or linked to this "dirty" word Witch, which I am not.) But it seems that even back in his day they 'knew' of something taking place around this particular time of night/day. I don't know if this has anything to do with telepathy as much as maybe knowing from experience? but who knows, maybe it does..
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Post by CitizenK on Dec 24, 2012 21:52:14 GMT -6
JC; to answer your questions... 1) yes, I think they can hear our prayers. 2.) saying things out loud whether it be a prayer, chant, spell, or command has more power because of the vibration in your voice. Just like the monks and others meditate to OM it is resonating a frequency within you and throughout the universe around you. It adds power because of this resonance, this frequency that you achieve with sound. Hope this helps, even though the answer to the first part isn't very comforting and feels intrusive (and probably is in most cases) , at least it gives evidence that prayer even silent is getting heard and also has power of it's own.
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Post by lois on Dec 24, 2012 22:15:06 GMT -6
I agree Lois..too much information too freely given...BUT it should make a good book It sure will. Most may think it to be fiction, but people still read a good story.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2012 22:30:16 GMT -6
Plutronus...if a person believes a foil hat will help...it will. A placebo works too..if you believe it's the real thing. So many things boil down to a matter of faith. I've guards and 'wards' of protection up always..which would be what works for me. I do have a couple of 'concerns' that I'd like others to think about. If our 'experiment' is a 'trip' to the moon this full moon..there is this. 'They' are telepathic..if there is some base on the moon they probably are there because they don't want to be interfered with..or noticed. So..if they are 'sensed' it might not make them happy and I'm guessing they'd have no problem at all sensing us..sensing them. So..I AM afraid of these things..I've worked at keeping myself in my corner away from theirs. I'd like to just remind people of one thing. This isn't a game. It can be exciting, and adventurous...but things exist outside of our zone of familiarity..and sometimes opening a door means being unable to close it. Just food for thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 2:26:31 GMT -6
I don't think I'm quite ready to start wearing a tinfoil hat... I honestly don't think it will help any.
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Post by skywalker on Dec 25, 2012 20:39:54 GMT -6
I always wondered where that tinfoil hat idea came from. It never occurred to me that it was based on fact because some people were actually wearing them. I thought the skeptics just made it up like they did the swamp gas theory.
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Post by spotless38 on Dec 25, 2012 22:06:29 GMT -6
I always wondered where that tinfoil hat idea came from. It never occurred to me that it was based on fact because some people were actually wearing them. I thought the skeptics just made it up like they did the swamp gas theory. ask Lois about the tin foil hat from the old mufon forum . ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 10:51:28 GMT -6
Well..they are supposed to block unwelcome mental spying or contact from parties unknown. Most of the world sees them as: what the UFO nuts believe will keep aliens from finding them. And they've acquired a joking reputation. The thing is..our brains do work off of electrical impulses..(big computer) and foil could deflect mental prying. Alien/or. The thing also is..those of us they were interested in, already have some kind of tracking device somewhere..some alien lojack system...I believe. And being that they are more clever than we are (since they are the predator and we are the prey) they would probably have tin foil hat penetrating radar. If it brings someone some peace..then it's a good thing
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