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Some have called this the Roswell crash but as far as what little info that's been given there wasn't 3 separate craft at Roswell with 3 entities in each. Others have titled this as the Aztec crash but details in the descriptions doesn't fit about the numbers and size of the craft(s) as well as differences in the numbers of entities found. This could very well be misinformation passed down but it could also be a secret still kept hidden about either one of those crashes or another one entirely. There were many sightings throughout the country during this timeline which is also mentioned in the vault as well as other resources which describes objects performing maneuvers that didn't seem to fit with the technology available at that time. There was also many demonstrations performed to explain to the public that many of the objects sighted were weather balloons or some other object or phenomena .
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Post by skywalker on Jan 24, 2013 21:09:36 GMT -6
I have heard many people claim that radar interferes with ET craft and may have caused the Roswell crash but I didn't know that a radar unit was being tested out there that very same day. That is very interesting and adds even more credibility to Roswell. I have also been wondering what it is about radar that would cause a malfunction. A psychic distraction definitely is one possibility but why would it happen? Is radar similar on some level to the energy generated by psychic thought processes? As for the Guy Hottel memo I found this site that seems to give a pretty good description of the story behind it. www.nmsr.org/hottel.htmIt would appear the memo is authentic but based on innacurate info. Many people back in the 50s and 60s did believe in UFOs and flying saucers and back then they were not afraid to admit it. This was when the huge cover-up was in its infancy and had barely begun to erase all of the good information regarding UFO sightings. So finding memos or documents from that time period where government officials are admitting that UFOs are real probably isn't all that extraordinary. The "Newton" who they are referring to is Silas Newton, who along with his accomplice "Dr Gee" (Leo GeBauer ) were arrested by the FBI for scamming people into buying what they claimed were pieces of a crashed flying saucer. This scam is the basis for the Aztec, New Mexico crash of 1950 which is almost certainly what the Hottel memo is referring too. Here is a link with a good description of the Newton/Aztec scam. www.realityuncovered.net/blog/tag/silas-m-newton/
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Post by skywalker on Jan 24, 2013 21:50:10 GMT -6
You are a really good reasearcher Cliff.. I agree, he is a good researcher. Cliff will make a fine investigator some day if he ever decides to become one.
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I've so much enjoyed the shared glimpses of your telescope ventures.. It's one thing to see something the hubble did but more personal when you know the astronomer ..and I thank you for that. Sky is right..you'd make one heck of an investigator.
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Thanks again y'all ! It would be nice to see the post that Plutronus made in this thread transfer to the Roswell thread also if everyone is o.k. with that and in agreement of it. That is some good info and it would be nice to see it kept so it doesn't eventually get lost in the shuffle I admit that this all points to a hoax and I've been willing to accept that now for the last couple of years but like Doc Vega pointed out in the first article there are things that "don't add up". Regardless if it is or isn't ( probably isn't) a real event and just complete fabrication there are still events that have happened in this era and area that are worth looking into further. This article here : www.latenightinthemidlands.com/profiles/blogs/secret-radar-stations-in-new - shows where the radar stations are and it also mentions the Farmington mass sighting I was referring to in Auntym's thread about Norio Hayakawa who investigated it years later. The date of that event is coincidental with Guy Hottel's memo to J. Edgar Hoover and in the same area also. There's many coincidences involved .
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That was a fine hypothosis and I'd sure agree that this should be saved with the Roswell information Plutronus is another who comes up with some really interesting fact based directions.
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That was a fine hypothosis and I'd sure agree that this should be saved with the Roswell information Plutronus is another who comes up with some really interesting fact based directions. Yes, Plutronus came up with some good info that helps to answer questions as to how and why this technology could have brought those craft down. He is one intelligent dude ! It is very coincidental. Thanks Auntym for combining his post. Skywalker: Sure does.
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I found this interesting. It shows where sightings took place for the decade of the 1940's including the famous wave of June -July of 1947. It then shows where sightings were during the entire decade of the 1940's without the 2 months of June-July 1947 . The histogram shows quite a distinct spike during that period also. From Larryhatch.net UFO Sightings Map : North America 1940'swww.larryhatch.net/NAM40S.html
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Directed-energy weaponA directed-energy weapon (DEW) emits energy in an aimed direction without the means of a projectile. It transfers energy to a target for a desired effect. Intended effects may be non-lethal or lethal. Some such weapons are real, or are under active research and development. The energy can come in various forms: - Electromagnetic radiation, in lasers or masers - Particles with mass, in particle beam weapons (Technically a form of micro-projectile weapon) - Sound, in sonic weapons Read More : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon
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Post by lois on Jan 25, 2013 23:51:22 GMT -6
I found this interesting. It shows where sightings took place for the decade of the 1940's including the famous wave of June -July of 1947. It then shows where sightings were during the entire decade of the 1940's without the 2 months of June-July 1947 . The histogram shows quite a distinct spike during that period also. From Larryhatch.net UFO Sightings Map : North America 1940'swww.larryhatch.net/NAM40S.htmlOh Cliff! I do not know how you find things as I'm no good at it. You have given me some thing I have wanted to see for decades. When I was four in July of 1947 . I witnessed a ufo up close with occupants. I put this report at Mufon years ago. I waited quite while but nothing ever got posted . Any way I found out people were beginning to report their encounters in 1947 around the same time I did. And it keep growing. I have not check back in years now. I guess they think a four year old word is not good enough. But many have no proof and they still post them . I did see two dots where I live on your map for 47 but not for June and July. It is a very slender thread of any hope. but I always said some one had to see what I witnessed. but other accounts by children never are either in all the ones I have read. There was never any adults you came forward. I think most of those type of encounters were not brought out til reason years. So who will find a witness now? thanks you again. I copied it into my computer and took a photo of it off the screen in case my stupid computer ever blows up. ;D
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Of all of the old ones that appeal to me, I'd love to discover more about the 'battle' over L.A. I think...I am more 'bothered' by that one than other tales because, if true, they were hostile and that...is a fairly scarey proposition. Not that North Korea isn't mind you, but that one is still something I'd like to know more of.
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Post by plutronus on Jan 26, 2013 0:20:21 GMT -6
It's a fake. The reasons why I say this:
1) The UFO remains in the center of the screen the whole time.
2) The UFO continues to move along with the car (in the center of the screen) at the same speed the car is moving. It does not bounce around, accelerate or back track.
3) When the car stops, the UFO stops and is STILL in the center of the screen.
Fake fake fake... unfortunately another one... Hi LoreLei,
One of the phenomenal characteristics that has been repeatedly demonstrated by ET 'technology', is the navigational ability to remain within a small observable scope of motion while being viewed from within an unstable viewing environment, such as a moving automobile. Harley Rutledge, an authentic ET investigator, reported his findings regarding ET object ability to navigationally remain within the small field-of-view of binoculars (6°), and cameras, viewing/videotaping ET objects, while "bouncing around" in the back-seat of an airplane flying through atmospheric turbulence. This curious characteristic has been observed in many events, and this cited event appears to be another example.
In addition to ET object 'awareness' of the location of Human observer's eyes/camera lens (optical ray axis) in coordinate space with relation to their own position, and the (apparent) real-time mapping of both positions, involves more than ET just being able to 'see' through our eyes. The function also involves tracking in real-time the motion of the viewer, outputting the axis information (very high-speed processing) into the real-time navigation control of their coordinate positioning 'propulsion' system, while the system remains flexible enough for the craft to zip around apparently under pilot control. System behavior, in my opinion, appears to be an augmentation system.
If there were no similarly repeated ET object demonstrations, I'd likely agree with your assessment.
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I found this interesting. It shows where sightings took place for the decade of the 1940's including the famous wave of June -July of 1947. It then shows where sightings were during the entire decade of the 1940's without the 2 months of June-July 1947 . The histogram shows quite a distinct spike during that period also. From Larryhatch.net UFO Sightings Map : North America 1940'swww.larryhatch.net/NAM40S.htmlOh Cliff! I do not know how you find things as I'm no good at it. You have given me some thing I have wanted to see for decades. When I was four in July of 1947 . I witnessed a ufo up close with occupants. I put this report at Mufon years ago. I waited quite while but nothing ever got posted . Any way I found out people were beginning to report their encounters in 1947 around the same time I did. And it keep growing. I have not check back in years now. I guess they think a four year old word is not good enough. But many have no proof and they still post them . I did see two dots where I live on your map for 47 but not for June and July. It is a very slender thread of any hope. but I always said some one had to see what I witnessed. but other accounts by children never are either in all the ones I have read. There was never any adults you came forward. I think most of those type of encounters were not brought out til reason years. So who will find a witness now? thanks you again. I copied it into my computer and took a photo of it off the screen in case my stupid computer ever blows up. ;D Glad I could help Lois. I'm searching through various reports of the 1940's and especially 1947 with that being the year of Roswell to post on this thread. If I find any in your area for that year I'll post it for you. With many of the reports I've read I'm having a difficult time believing they were all weather balloons or what not.
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Post by plutronus on Jan 26, 2013 1:06:59 GMT -6
That was a fine hypothosis and I'd sure agree that this should be saved with the Roswell information Plutronus is another who comes up with some really interesting fact based directions. Yes, Plutronus came up with some good info that helps to answer questions as to how and why this technology could have brought those craft down. He is one intelligent dude ! It is very coincidental. Thanks Auntym for combining his post. Skywalker: Sure does. Cliff,
Thanks and same to you.
Re; how the microwave energy may interfere with ET craft operation, is not yet understood by me. Without other information, I am reluctant to suggest anything, as doing so, would be fiction. We can speculate a few things and then hopefully search around find some additional information that may support the speculation.
As a side trivia, it occurred to me last evening, that using the data provided in the NIDS publication, plus a bit of further investigation (such as contacting the author of the publication, Dr. Illobrand von Ludwieger, Ph.D. electrical engineering, and MUFON-CES Germany), one **may** be able to technically derive the energy level-at-distance that ET objects seem to avoid. This information would be another factoid.
Also, I feel that I should point out, that the Rome-Phillips Laboratory was not testing a complete RADAR system, but were developing a possible future component for RADAR systems. As I recall from the website article that I read regarding the matter, they were testing the power and range of the TWT MASER transmitter. Measurement characteristics of side-lobes, phase-orientation, spectrum coherence, beam-divergence, phase-stability, helical-current, et cetera, the physics of high-power microwave generation, also, the microwaves were CW (continuous-wave), not pulsed.
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Post by lois on Jan 26, 2013 1:46:43 GMT -6
Cliff.. If one goes to mufon reporting center you will find a lot of sightings have been posted for that year. Also most all of them were posted in the past few years. I remember when I went there for the first time it only had maybe five sightings listed. Another thing about that year it was all reported by adults who's experience took place as a child that year. I think maybe this was about the time these ships and aliens showed up over back yard with kids playing in them . I know I have read for years hundred of cases with children only with no adult present.
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Lois I'll try to look into that, thanks. Jo, if I see anything on the Battle of L.A. I'll post it in that thread. I ran across something earlier today while searching but will have to locate it when I can. I tried looking into that awhile back last year I think it was. I don't know much about radar technology but after briefly searching it appears many countries were experimenting with it. The Soviets were secretive about their research with it and the British were hitting it hard with the war escalating. They turned their efforts to the Americans seeking further help . I think it would be safe to say they were also experimenting with this somewhat new technology to use it as a weapon based on my own assumption. This is one of the articles I read . : www.vectorsite.net/ttwiz_03.htmPlutronus I could see how it would be more effective to use a continuous wave vs. a pulse wave when attempting to detect or strike a moving target.
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Thanks Cliff..I've been starting to feel invisible LOL
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Thanks Cliff..I've been starting to feel invisible LOL I don't know how. LOL. You feel. . . . different. Somehow. ;D
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Thanks Cliff..I've been starting to feel invisible LOL You are everything except invisible to me and others Jo. I appreciate all the compliments you have sent my way but imo they really should be directed to you, and others here at TEOR. I don't feel like a researcher or investigator nor do I feel qualified to be one, just a guy looking for answers to what has been happening on this rock we call Earth. I keep hitting dead ends and feel helpless to be completely honest. If it wouldn't have been for all of you I would have done lost it by now I'm sure. The big guys running the show want to say it's everything but e.t.'s when I know, you know,I'm most certain they know, and many others know that what they are saying/denying is a crock, more or less. Meanwhile here at home I'll just keep searching for answers trying to find out who and what it was that has been visiting me and so many others through a heap of b.s. misinformation trying to coal out in my own mind and looking for other rational explanations from people like you and others that I feel I can turn to to help sort it all out without falling over the edge in frustration. You are never invisible to me. I look up to and respect the way you look at things. You're a very bright person and you can see through things that many can't. Your insight and opinions are always appreciated and valued. as lorelei would say ~ Hugz~
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Thank you Cliff..it IS much appreciated. Only thing different about me JC is that it doesn't say 'Moderator' behind my name. I felt like I had to be here more often for that position (which I feel is a responsibility) and now I can just be here when I want to be and not hedge my remarks as much. I also don't feel like I have to address every remark any more.
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Post by plutronus on Jan 27, 2013 6:52:04 GMT -6
Thanks again y'all ! It would be nice to see the post that Plutronus made in this thread transfer to the Roswell thread also if everyone is o.k. with that and in agreement of it. That is some good info and it would be nice to see it kept so it doesn't eventually get lost in the shuffle I admit that this all points to a hoax and I've been willing to accept that now for the last couple of years but like Doc Vega pointed out in the first article there are things that "don't add up". Regardless if it is or isn't ( probably isn't) a real event and just complete fabrication there are still events that have happened in this era and area that are worth looking into further. This article here : www.latenightinthemidlands.com/profiles/blogs/secret-radar-stations-in-new - shows where the radar stations are and it also mentions the Farmington mass sighting I was referring to in Auntym's thread about Norio Hayakawa who investigated it years later. The date of that event is coincidental with Guy Hottel's memo to J. Edgar Hoover and in the same area also. There's many coincidences involved . SkyWalker, I tried to find "Roswell", by following the logic-chain and without using the search function, and was unable. I think Roswell is considered a historical case. Seems the topic hierarchy order of " Roswell" here is out of logical context, and that, the ENTIRE thread topic might be better placed by moving... from: The Edge of Reality :: UFOs and Extraterrestrial Life :: Other UFO Topics :: Roswellto: The Edge of Reality :: UFOs and Extraterrestrial Life :: Historical Cases :: RoswellWhat do you think? plutronusRefs: Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=otherufo&action=display&thread=230#ixzz2JB13YWdnRead more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=historicalcases#ixzz2JB5KOjk3
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Post by plutronus on Jan 27, 2013 11:27:17 GMT -6
I appreciate the input all. Lois I'll try to look into that. Jo, if I see anything on the Battle of L.A. I'll post it in that thread. I ran across something earlier today while searching but will have to locate it when I can. I tried looking into that awhile back last year I think it was. I don't know much about radar technology but after briefly searching it appears many countries were experimenting with it. The Soviets were secretive about their research with it and the British were hitting it hard with the war escalating. They turned their efforts to the Americans seeking further help. I think it would be safe to say they were also experimenting with this somewhat new technology to use it as a weapon based on my own assumption. This is one of the articles I read . : www.vectorsite.net/ttwiz_03.htmPlutronus I could see how it would be more effective to use a continuous wave vs. a pulse wave when attempting to detect or strike a moving target. Hi Cliff,
When I wrote the post, I tried to keep the basic ideas clear and simple, and still give a bit of the technical aspects (which to me is interesting) and yet still make my point about the discovery process and why I considered the trivia to be a possible valuable piece of the puzzle in the Roswell problem.
So here is a bit more info regarding MASERs, again from non-technical perspectives. The subject is not as clear-cut as WikiPedia's version of history makes it. There were and are under-pinning processes that are not obvious to those outside of the development loop, which most of us find ourselves to be.
www.experiencefestival.com/a/Maser_-_Technology/id/1750577 www.experiencefestival.com/a/Maser_-_Terminology/id/1750580 www.experiencefestival.com/a/Maser_-_Uses/id/1750579 www.experiencefestival.com/a/Maser_-_Astrophysical_Masers/id/1750578
In the above cited URLs, one might notice, that various people are cited as the progenitors of the MASER, a period from 1917 to 1934, 1953 to 1957 and 1963, yet, there is little or no mention of the MASER or the principle being used in RADAR? Why? Its an electronic matter which is completely outside the interest scope of most of the public.
So, with that as a backdrop, there was a website, back in 1991~2? that I found where an engineer was yakking about the tubes and the coherent microwave transmitter developmental test system that he helped engineer, and he called it a "MASER". Only he was citing a system that was fabricated 10 years before the official invention date of the MASER device. However, to not get lost in the screwiness of that, the principal point of my post, wasn't that it was necessarily a MASER device used as the signal generation source but rather that it was a developmental high-power microwave transmitter system, and that I just remembered what the engineer(s) had said. Actually there were several websites relating to similar subjects that I collectively rolled-together. The point, whether it contains a mistake on my part, or the engineer's telling that I cited, is that the night of the event, a high-power, coherent (another side point), microwave test transmitter was being aimed out in the general direction of the Brazel Ranch. **That is the main point.** The fact that the system was using a TWT tube as a coherent 'MASER' like oscillator is simply another minor sub-point, but one which I included for thoroughness of the information that I initially found and was reported as such. The factoid that they were transmitting a coherent signal is just a juncture point in the development process that has resulted in the RADAR systems in use today. Its an element in a long line of historical component developments.
The point of a MASER, practically speaking, is output signal coherence, eg, frequency stability. Today, virtually everyone relies on MASER coherence. It is an underlying basis of cell-phone technology, and GPS navigation. The MASER principle and name has morphed a bit, today, the terminology is virtually unused, but it is frequently mentioned as being an Atomic-Clock and more recently and frequently known as Rubidium Time Standard, or Cesium Time Standard. In my last employment, we had two Cesium (MASER) Standards, and four Rubidium (MASER) based standards in the lab. Signal coherence is about phase and temporal stability. Both of these were difficult to achieve in the 1940s. TWT tubes offered a higher frequency/phase stability than other methods of the day, and according to the engineer's website that I read, that was one of the reasons that the TWT tube was being utilized in the high-power transmitter test.
Its a lot of blah blah blah, but I felt that I should mention the point.
>...I could see how it would be more effective to use a continuous wave vs. a pulse wave >when attempting to detect or strike a moving target.
The transmitter system I cited was a test system, it was not a RADAR set. As I recall, the test-bed was comprised of a power-supply, a TWT microwave oscillator, and a microwave TWT power amplifier that was impedance matched into a feed-horn mounted on a parabolic antenna.
As for the efficacy of pulse mode versus continuous mode microwave operation, I am not expert in these matters, but as I understand things, each type has its applications. For instance, Doppler RADAR is used extensively in weather monitoring, it is CW mode. While many military RADAR systems use pulse mode but as mentioned, it depends on the application.
If one recalls the 'Homing All The Way Killer' (HAWK) MIM-23B guided missile system, it uses both type RADARs, each for a different application, for instance:
1 × PAR: Pulse Acquisition Radar—a search radar with a 20 rpm rotation, for high/medium altitude target detection. 1 × CWAR: Continuous Wave Acquisition Radar—a search doppler radar with a 20 rpm rotation, for low altitude target detection. 2 × HPIR: High Power Illuminator doppler Radar—target tracking, illumination and missile guidance. 1 × ROR: Range Only Radar—K-band pulse radar which provides range information when the other systems are jammed or unavailable.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 27, 2013 23:44:40 GMT -6
SkyWalker, I tried to find "Roswell", by following the logic-chain and without using the search function, and was unable. I think Roswell is considered a historical case. Seems the topic hierarchy order of " Roswell" here is out of logical context, and that, the ENTIRE thread topic might be better placed by moving... from: The Edge of Reality :: UFOs and Extraterrestrial Life :: Other UFO Topics :: Roswellto: The Edge of Reality :: UFOs and Extraterrestrial Life :: Historical Cases :: RoswellWhat do you think? plutronusGood idea plutronus. I wasn't aware Roswell was not already in the historical section. It definitely should be. Auntym took care of it.
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My personal synopsis about Roswell..is that with so many early stories out there..a space ship (some kind of ship) crashed in Roswell New Mexico. Again..from outer space or another dimension or a parallel universe or ..or..or. Some type of vehicle crashed in Roswell leaving behind some artifacts that have mysteriously been 'lost'. Are there alien bodies that were whisked off to area 51 or is that just so much smoke? That's where it starts to get really dodgey. If it were me..and I was building a ship and I never wanted it to fall into 'alien' hands (because we would be the aliens to them) I'd have a destruction system in place and all they would ever find is curious debris. So far the only thing I believe about Roswell..is that a ship of some type crashed there and sent the government into it's usual spastic behavior when faced with what they don't want to and can't explain. I don't believe there were bodies...I don't think an intact ship was recovered but I think a lot of people were 'stirred' by the possiblity of a ship from another world and added to the original stories. Rumor happens. Wild story embelishments..happen...lies happen and hoaxes happen. In my mind I try to keep it simple and weed out the sensational part. A ship crashed. Maybe a ship exploded because it was going to crash and they didn't want to end up alien poster children in some government lab. I could see that happening...so that's my own little synopsis.
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Post by skywalker on Jan 31, 2013 20:01:22 GMT -6
If a ship of some type did crash (whether because of radar interference or whatever) that might explain why there were so many UFO sightings in the southwest in the years afterwards. I bet those things don't go down very often so when one does I would imagine whoever it belonged to would want to come check it out and see what happened and why.
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Post by lois on Jan 31, 2013 20:16:18 GMT -6
I believe what ever it was it was like Jessie said. The material was light weight. It would not burn... was as thin as tin foil. I believe it was not a balloon. People in charge of atomic bombs does not recognize a balloon? ;D The aliens could of been a lie, but I cannot say it was. Bring all those early people back and give them all lie detector test today. But then again I do not believe the results that gives either. Was there a second craft in tact. I never really believed it.. It would be the one the alien bodies were in. No second craft in tact . no aliens. Jessie was holding the debri not stating he seen any aliens or intact ships. The base would of known the second their top secret balloon went down and had a million military personal all over that country side searching for it. How long was it before Brazell came across it. I thought days later. W
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Post by skywalker on Jan 31, 2013 20:22:07 GMT -6
The bodies reportedly were found at a different crash site...like the thing smacked into the ground and part of it bounced away to a different spot. As fast as those craft move it could easily have happened.
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