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Post by paulette on Feb 12, 2013 10:16:54 GMT -6
Moderator - if there is a better thread for this, feel free to move it. About that weird 900 year old skull from Mexico? There was a thread about it and speculation here that the child was that of a Visitor and an earth mother who fled and hid (and ultimately died) underground - in an area that was or became a mine. The newest testing shows (Ta Ta!) completely human mother completely non-human Star Child. www.starchildproject.com/dna2011march.htm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 19:04:18 GMT -6
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Post by swamprat on Feb 19, 2013 18:38:12 GMT -6
The Sarasota Herald Tribune
De Void
Wiki needs a ‘Starchild’ updateFebruary 19, 2013 by Billy Cox In 1999, I went to Louisiana to work up a freelance piece on a presumed dead freak called “Starchild,” which its curator, Lloyd Pye, claimed to be the 900-year-old remains of a space alien recovered from a defunct mining tunnel in Mexico. Pye’s enthusiasm wasn’t terribly surprising, given how, just two years earlier, he’d published a nonfiction book called Everything You Know Is Wrong. It was inspired by Zecharia Sitchin’s controversial interpretation of ancient Sumerian texts in which ETs genetically tampered with Earthlings thousands of years ago. My own concerns weren’t so wide angle. I kept a wary eye on Pye’s speedometer, trying to figure out how he might explain, in 30 seconds or less, the deformed skull in back should we get pulled over by traffic cops. The thing was believed to have been a 5- to 6-year-old child, missing its jaws, save for a small set of upper teeth, and its head was suspiciously bulbous. This was a long story, naturally, and I bailed shortly thereafter, when a Vancouver dental forensics lab announced it had recovered enough DNA to prove its parents were human. Today, the Wikipedia entry declares “Experts believe it to be the skull of a child who died as a result of known genetic or congenital abnormalities, such as congenital hydrocephalus.” Among its key references is a New England Skeptics Society blog by Steven Novella, who accuses Pye of fallaciously applying selected facts to fit a hypothesis. Novella also writes this: “[Pye and an associate] claim that they have consulted with 50 experts (whom they will not disclose) yet not one of the experts was able to adequately explain the Starchild’s appearance on the basis of a natural deformity.” This is where it gets interesting. There are experts listed on Pye’s website, by name, including a link to a 2004 analysis performed by one Dr. Ted Robinson. Robinson is a retired certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon who studied the skull, via X-rays and CT scans, for nearly a year in Canada. Robinson’s paper lists the names of medical professionals who also examined the skull: Dr. Fred Smith, Head of Pediatrics, Children’s Hospital, New Orleans; Dr. David Hodges, radiologist, Royal Columbian Hospital, New Westminster, B.C.; Dr. John Bachynsky, radiologist, New Westminster, B.C.; Dr. Ken Poskitt, pediatric neuroradiologist, Vancouver Children’s Hospital; Dr. Ian Jackson, formerly of Mayo Clinic, craniofacial plastic surgeon, Michigan; Dr. John McNicoll, craniofacial plastic surgeon, Seattle; Dr. Mike Kaburda, oral surgeon, New Westminster, B.C.; Dr. Tony Townsend, ophthalmologist, Vancouver; Dr. Hugh Parsons, ophthalmologist, Vancouver; and Dr David Sweet, forensic odontologist, Vancouver. Prior to Robinson’s analysis, conventional wisdom held that the skull belonged to a deformed child whose head had been artificially reshaped by the ancient practice of cradleboarding. But Robinson noted “it is entirely safe to say that the extreme flattening of the skull was caused by its natural growth pattern and is not artificial.” Furthermore, The skull “was not hydrocephalic,” he added in a letter last December to a third-party query. “Hydrocephaly is a common deformity which is characterized by entirely different deformities from the anatomical characteristics seen in this skull.” Robinson’s itemized weirdness ran 18 bullet points long. Among other things, the specimen showed no evidence of sinus cavities, its bone matter resembled tooth enamel, its the size of its eye socket cavities “would require upper lids three or four times more extensive than normal upper lids,” and a scanning electron microscope indicated the presence of “strange fibers of an unknown nature” that “are not artefactual.” Furthermore, it was half the weight of an adult human skull, but its 1600cc cranial capacity was roughly 200cc larger than a comparably sized human skull. Robinson declined to posit a theory as to what Starchild was all about. He would only submit this in the December letter: “In my 49 years of experience as a medical doctor and plastic surgeon, I have never seen anything like it.” Pye had complained loudly that the Bureau of Legal Dentistry, the Canadian lab that announced Starchild had human parents in 1999, had jumped the gun because it hadn’t recovered sufficient genetic material. In 2003, using technology unavailable four years earlier, principle geneticists Ripan Mahli and Jason Eschleman at Trace Genetics in California were unable to duplicate the BOLD results. “The inability to analyze nuclear DNA,” they wrote, “indicates that such DNA is either not present or present in sufficiently low copy number to prevent PCR analysis using methods available at the present time.” What you’ve just read is a dumbed-down version of the controversy, but the reason Pye rolled into downtown Sarasota on a rainycold afternoon last week was on account of a Tampa businessman who is establishing a foundation to support the research of an unnamed geneticist who wants to take the science to the next level. There’s a new state-of-the-art tool, the Illumina Genome Sequencer, that can recover Starchild’s entire genetic map and settle questions of its Earthly paternity once and for all. Price tag: $5 million, which also includes the production of a documentary charting the entire investigation. “I think this is going to be the absolute upending of old paradigms,” said Pye, who argues that Starchild could be exhibit A for replacing Darwinism with a case for alien intervention. “How much is this going to be worth to history? It’d be like filming the Wright Brothers from 1900 to 1903.” But one of the great impediments to investment, Pye says, is the all-too-often source of record, Wikipedia, and specifically, its incomplete NESS reference. De Void isn’t well-versed enough in genetics to take a stand one way or the other (as if anyone cares what De Void thinks). But this is clear: A fuller picture of the mind-numbingly complex Starchild saga requires more sourcing than what appears in Wikipedia. devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13591/wiki-needs-a-starchild-update/
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Post by skywalker on Feb 21, 2013 18:48:09 GMT -6
Wikipedia is totally wrong about the Starchild Skull. There is no way that skull was created from any known genetic deformities, whether hydrocephalus or anything other. There are too many very radical differences in it. That skull has characteristics that have never before been seen in any life form on this planet. Something like that isn't just going to turn up out of nowhere just by a random mutation.
What I think is really interesting about this is that the Starchild skull dates back to a time and location when there seemed to be a lot of really radical humanoids appearing in the archaeological fossil record. Skulls that had very radical appearances such as enlarged cranial capacities and oversized eye sockets which are things that we tend to associate with aliens nowadays.
These skulls also appear in areas where many human skulls were undergoing such procedures as head binding and ritual skull deformation to alter their appearance. I have raised the question before as to whether there was some event such as an extraterrestrial intervention that might have created both the genetic mutations as well as the human desire to attempt to replicate their appearance. Whether or not any ETs were involved there was still something extremely unusual and interesting going on back then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 0:14:02 GMT -6
Well..consider just the variations in blood type on the planet. Between Adam & Eve (if you're biblically inclined) not only is the gene pool a bit narrow but it wouldn't account for the different blood types. Humankind had to have some helping hand somewhere. Be it space visitors or something else..there had to be something. We know what happens if there isn't enough of a gene pool..people playing banjo's along backwoods rivers...and worse. If you're not biblically inclined...the crawling from the ooze theory also has some problems with enough genetic material to cover all of the bases. We had to have had help. Maybe that child was part of some long ago project.
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Post by paulette on Feb 26, 2013 22:01:34 GMT -6
Interesting. Skywalker and some of us are on FB (gasp! Oh No!) and a conversation developed between I don't remember who that the cranial deformations that various widely spaced cultures practised may have been to produce a child that looked like the children of the Visitors. To enlarge on that - much like cargo magic where the Micronesia natives built "radios" out of palm parts in hope of "tuning in" and securing the return of the folks who brought them radios and batteries and spam and polyester shirts...and maybe the people made HUGE sky billboards with horses and spiders and whatever only visible from the sky in many different places (The Andres, the chalk horse of England, the tomb of the first Emperor in China, maybe also the pyramids...maybe the deformed heads were an attempt to lure the sky Visitors back. Or confer special privilege on the children who went through it (and survived). Even the French used cradle boards to achieve a nice flat head! Maybe just maybe there were a lot of kids that once looked like that. Just suggesting...
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Post by skywalker on Feb 28, 2013 19:04:11 GMT -6
I'm sure I was involved in that argument...uhh...I mean "discussion." I still think the people had to get the idea from somewhere. Why else would they start rapping rope around a baby's head to make it look like something from another planet?
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Post by lois on Feb 28, 2013 22:02:34 GMT -6
Interesting. Skywalker and some of us are on FB (gasp! Oh No!) and a conversation developed between I don't remember who that the cranial deformations that various widely spaced cultures practised may have been to produce a child that looked like the children of the Visitors. To enlarge on that - much like cargo magic where the Micronesia natives built "radios" out of palm parts in hope of "tuning in" and securing the return of the folks who brought them radios and batteries and spam and polyester shirts...and maybe the people made HUGE sky billboards with horses and spiders and whatever only visible from the sky in many different places (The Andres, the chalk horse of England, the tomb of the first Emperor in China, maybe also the pyramids...maybe the deformed heads were an attempt to lure the sky Visitors back. Or confer special privilege on the children who went through it (and survived). Even the French used cradle boards to achieve a nice flat head! Maybe just maybe there were a lot of kids that once looked like that. Just suggesting... Paulette. I was in a discussion this morning with the same subject. I had posted a chart with all the known skulls. Most of them are the elongated heads. What struck me odd was one was tagged as a skull from Texas. ;D ;D Is there something different about skulls in Texas? A friend from Sweden seem to think that was funny... He gave me another corny reason... which I have forgot. Most of them were tagged even the starchild skull.. TEXAS. I even think that one was elongated.. sorry sky..
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Post by skywalker on Mar 1, 2013 18:26:40 GMT -6
Well, I can see why people would think that all of the cool stuff comes from Texas. After all, Texas is the biggest state with the bestest stuff.
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Post by lois on Mar 1, 2013 22:46:25 GMT -6
Well, I can see why people would think that all of the cool stuff comes from Texas. After all, Texas is the biggest state with the bestest stuff. I went back to facebook today and check that skull map out.. The one from Texas is partly elongated and sort of round at the same time. It was the only one that appeared this way . So I guess that makes it special ..
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Post by swamprat on Dec 10, 2013 10:17:05 GMT -6
Very sad news! via Lloyd Pye's Nephew on Lloyds FB page:
LloydPye This is Lloyd's nephew. Lloyd Pye passed away at approximately 6:15 PM CT USA. Lloyd was surrounded by family and died in his mother's arms. The family is asking for privacy at this time as we deal with the loss. We will post additional information in the near future. Thank you to all of his friends and fans for your support, prayers and love. He loved you all deeply.
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Post by auntym on Dec 10, 2013 11:55:46 GMT -6
www.supernaturalufo.com/lloyd-pye-of-starchild-skull-fame-has-died/www.cryptozoonews.com/pye-obit/ Lloyd Pye of Starchild Skull Fame has diedIn recent days, Lloyd Pye has messaged his friends that his tumor has returned and it was not an “if but when” situation, after treatments at Klinik Marinus in Germany. Despite any disagreements he might have had with others in cryptozoology, he was a gentle and friendly man. I met him in Texas, at a Bigfoot conference, and found him to be a sincere, cordial gentleman, committed to his findings and theories. Now word comes that Pye has died on December 9, 2013. This was confirmed via this posting on Lloyd Pye’s Facebook page: This is Lloyd’s nephew. Lloyd Pye passed away at approximately 6:15 PM CT USA. Lloyd was surrounded by family and died in his mother’s arms. The family is asking for privacy at this time as we deal with the loss. We will post additional information in the near future. Thank you to all of his friends and fans for your support, prayers and love. He loved you all deeply. Lloyd Anthony Pye (born 1946), according to Wikipedia, is an American author and paranormal researcher best known for his promotion of the Starchild skull, which he claims is the relic of a human-alien hybrid although DNA tests have shown it is from a human male. He also promotes the ideas that cryptozoological creatures such as Bigfoot are real and that aliens intervened to create life on Earth. His first book That Prosser Kid (1977), a fictional account of college football, was said to have “achieved considerable recognition” by the Continuum Encyclopedia of American Literature, but was called “lively but unoriginal” by the Boston Globe. His 1988 book Mismatch was called a “novel that ought to go on your must read list” by Deseret News. In addition to authoring books, Pye also gives lectures and has made television appearances in support of his ideas on The Learning Channel, National Geographic Channel, Extra, Animal Planet, and Richard & Judy in the United Kingdom.Pye has stated that he believes Bigfoot exists, as well as the similar Mongolian cryptid the Almas. In the late 1990s, Pye obtained a curiously shaped skull from a couple in El Paso, Texas that he believes is an alien-human hybrid and proof that humans are descended from extraterrestrial beings he calls “terraformers”. DNA tests show that the skull is from a human male. American clinical neurologist Steven Novella believes the skull belongs to a child who suffered from hydrocephalus. CONTINUE READING: www.cryptozoonews.com/pye-obit/
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Post by skywalker on Dec 10, 2013 22:30:27 GMT -6
I wonder what is going to happen to the skull now? Is somebody going to carry on his work?
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Post by swamprat on Jan 22, 2014 20:04:53 GMT -6
Starchild's ride continuesBy Billy Cox, Herald-Tribune / Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Lloyd Pye’s contentious 900-year-old Starchild skull is locked up tight in an undisclosed Tampa bank vault. Its new curator, Matthew Brownstein, is convinced that, within three years, via crowd-sourcing, he can raise the estimated $3 million it’ll cost to get its entire genome sequenced, alongside a documentary chronicling every step of research along the way. When the results roll in, Brownstein suspects they’ll validate what he already believes is true: “I’m not saying we’ve got an alien skull. What I am saying is, I’m completely convinced this is not human.” So no — this Starchild thing isn’t over yet. Lloyd Pye, the energetic, counterintuitive author/Bigfoot researcher who, in 1999, began working the non-human angle on one of the weirdest skulls on record, died last month without the final verdict from science. But before succumbing to cancer at 67, Pye handed the ball off to Brownstein, who became chief operating officer of the Starchild Project. Brownstein, founder and executive director of the Florida Institute of Hypnotherapy, got caught up in the intrigue early last year. After climbing aboard, he decided it’d take a new funding strategy to finish Pye's project. “I looked at the Starchild business plan, where Lloyd was working on getting one big investor,” says Brownstein. “But that didn’t work. I talked with other investors and they all said it was too much risk. So it’s not going to happen with one person.” Shortly before Pye died, Brownstein took the Project’s first stab at crowd-funding via Indiegogo. The goal was $75,000, but the tally was only $10,262 when the window closed last week. “It was a rush job and it wasn’t as successful as we hoped it’d be,” Brownstein says. “We put it together as Lloyd was literally on his deathbed, just to show him we were moving on it.” Brownstein has gone on to hire a PR agent to drum up public support for continued genetic exploration. And he hopes to get a lot mileage from a three-page, single-spaced critique from one Dr. Ted Robinson, who poses a direct challenge his peers. The University of Manitoba med school grad -- also certified in plastic and reconstructive surgery by Canada’s Royal College of Surgeons -- claims the stakes are too high for science by fiat: “It is my firm belief that this case requires extensive further investigation, and should not be dismissed on the basis of amateur diagnosis by professional skeptics, or from pronouncements by qualified experts who have never studied the real Skull or by the actual facts associated with it. Nor should anyone be negatively influenced by incomplete or inadequately performed test results.” Brownstein obviously isn't cowed by The Great Taboo; he admits his hypnotherapy sessions in Tampa also address those troubling alien-abduction scenarios. “It comes up under hypnotherapy whether the hypnotherapist believes in it or not,” he says. “I don’t put myself out there as an alien abduction therapist, but I do teach graduates how to deal with those phenomena because at some point they’ll likely have clients faced with these issues.” Bottom line: Lloyd Pye's work continues. Three million bucks in three years sounds like a lot of cabbage. The good news: $1 million will barely squeeze you into a 1,700 square-foot four bed/three bath townhouse in Tokyo these days. Seven-figure mountains ain’t the hike they used to be. devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/14368/starchilds-ride-continues/
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Post by skywalker on Jan 22, 2014 21:00:52 GMT -6
I don't see how other anthropologists can possibly not be interested in the Starchild skull. It is without a doubt the most unusual humanoid skull ever discovered anywhere on this planet yet it seems that nobody wants anything to do with it. Do those people not have even the slightest bit of scientific curiosity? Even if it is just a deformed or defective human skull it is still extremely unusual and definitely warrants closer examination. What's wrong with those people?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 2:10:08 GMT -6
I like the idea of a lot of investors involved, and not just "one, all-powerful" . Please don't make me explain that thought .
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Post by auntym on Mar 21, 2014 13:46:15 GMT -6
This is Lloyd Pye's last interview
Ancient Aliens extract: the Starchild Skull Starchild Project Starchild Project·7 videos
Published on Mar 11, 2014
The part of the Ancient Aliens episode featuring the Starchild Skull. This is Lloyd Pye's last interview before his sad passing, given when he was in the midst of his struggle with cancer. His dedication to the Starchild Project to volunteer for this interview in spite of his illness is a true inspiration.
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