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Post by auntym on Jul 1, 2013 12:03:27 GMT -6
www.davidreneke.com/russian-orders-obama-come-clean-on-ufos-or-we-will/Russia Orders Obama: Tell World About Aliens, Or We Will.A stunning Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) report on Prime Minister Medvedev’s (photo above) agenda at the World Economic Forum (WEF) last February was dramatic!Note, I’ve included this older report purely for it’s amazing claims that again, never seem tobe ratified. The report stated that Russia will warn President Obama that the “time has come” for the world to know the truth about aliens, and if the United States won’t participate in the announcement, the Kremlin will do so on its own. Yes, you heard right. [The following is based purely on this news source report with all links included. Ed.] Read on: The WEF (The Forum) is a Swiss non-profit foundation, based in Cologny, Geneva and describes itself as an independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas. The Forum is best known for its annual meeting in Davos, a mountain resort in Graubünden, in the eastern Alps region of Switzerland. The meeting brings together some 2,500 top business leaders, international political leaders, selected intellectuals and journalists to discuss the most pressing issues facing the world, including health and the environment. Medvedev lopened the forum where as many as 50 heads of government, including Germany’s Angela Merkel and Britain’s David Cameron, attended the five-day meeting that began on 23 January 2013. Critical to note about this years Forum is that the WEF, in their 2013 Executive Summary, scheduled for debate and discussion a number of items under their X Factors from Nature category, and which includes the “discovery of alien life” of which they state: “Proof of life elsewhere in the universe could have profound psychological implications for human belief systems.” Equally critical to note is that Medvedev, after completing a 7 December 2012 on-camera interview with reporters in Moscow, continued to respond to reporters and made some off-air comments without realizing that his microphone was still on. He was then asked by one reporter if “the president is handed secret files on aliens when he receives the briefcase needed to activate Russia’s nuclear arsenal,” Medvedev responded: “Along with the briefcase with nuclear codes, the president of the country is given a special ‘top secret’ folder. This folder in its entirety contains information about aliens who visited our planet… Along with this, you are given a report of the absolutely secret special service that exercises control over aliens on the territory of our country… More detailed information on this topic you can get from a well-known movie called Men In Black… I will not tell you how many of them are among us because it may cause panic.” Spooky stuff huh? CONTINUE READING: www.davidreneke.com/russian-orders-obama-come-clean-on-ufos-or-we-will/
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Post by auntym on Sept 25, 2017 17:25:52 GMT -6
www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/25/us-obtains-russian-kgb-file-about-a-ufo-5-short-humanoids-with-large-heads-that-emerged-from-it/Astonishing Russian Document Reveals A Face-To-Face Interaction With A UFO & 5 Alien Beings
by Arjun Walia / www.collective-evolution.com/author/arjun/September 25, 2017 Global governments and intelligence agencies around the world have released hundreds of thousands of pages of documents pertaining to the UFO phenomenon over the past few years. These files indicate that objects are commonly tracked on radar and pursued by our own military craft, which are then sent out to take a closer look. The files also reveal there have been sightings of strange objects travelling at tremendous speeds and performing maneuvers that no known aircraft is capable of performing. These types of UFOs might now be officially verified within the mainstream, but they’ve been seen, photographed, and recorded by credible witnesses for decades. For example, here’s a document (straight from the CIA’s FOIA Electronic Reading Room) pertaining to “a group of red, green, and yellow flying saucers” that were seen “hovering” over multiple military bases in Antarctica. Here’s another detailing how, when intercepters approached the object, pilots lost “all instrumentation and communications.” Here’s a great interview (and there’s no shortage of them) with navy commander pilot Graham Bethune, who describes another extraordinary in-flight encounter. These objects are thought to be extraterrestrial in origin, not only because of their technological superiority, but also because many high-ranking political and military insiders, along with prestigious academics, have shared information they’ve been privy to regarding actual intelligent extraterrestrial beings visiting our planet. There could be several different groups doing so at the present moment. It may sound far-fetched, but as we move through 2017 and beyond, bits of truth will continue to leak out, and the “official campaign of secrecy and ridicule” that Roscoe Hillenkoetter described to the New York Times in 1960 may come to an end. That being said, once this box is opened, everything will change. It will have tremendous implications for humanity — philosophically, scientifically, and technologically. Our world would change forever. The DocumentIt shouldn’t really come as a surprise that the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies were keeping tabs on other countries.We know spying happens all the time, and other governments probably did the same to North American governments as well. The UFO issue has obviously been of extreme interest to these agencies, given the scale of resources put toward investigating it. One document within the CIA archives also shows that they were interested in reports of actual extraterrestrial bodies. For example, here is one that was addressed to “certain scientists of distinction,” to “aeronautical and military authorities,” and to “a number of public officials.” The document, stored in the FBI database, shows interest in a letter written by someone with “several university degrees” and a former “university department head.” It provides information, (on pages 21 and 22) about extraterrestrial beings, their craft, how they operate, and where they come from. Again, the question to ask here is, why were intelligence agencies so interested in this? They continue to investigate any reports of extraterrestrial bodies, and I have to wonder if it’s because they’ve had secrets of their own. Is it because, as Apollo 14 astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell once put it so bluntly, “there have been crashed craft, and bodies recovered”? When you study ufology, you come across all sorts of stories, and one interesting thing these stories seem to share is that “they” (whoever is operating these crafts) are not interested in confrontation. For example, in a (well-known) document released via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), Four-Star General Nathan Twinning wrote that the “phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious” and that “the reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.” The key word there is “evasive.” This point was also made a few years ago by former Canadian Defence minister Paul Hellyer, who stated that, “Decades ago, visitors from other planets warned us about where we were headed and offered to help. But Instead, we, or at least some of us, interpreted their visits as a threat, and decided to shoot first and ask questions after.” In that same speech, he also mentions the fact that, as a result of our own displays of aggression, the UFOs started to take “corrective measures to avoid our air-craft,” and that some pilots actually lost their lives as a result of retaliation. Which brings us to a document, stored in the CIA archives, that describes how Mikhail Gorbachev — who, by the way, once publicly stated that “the phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously” — was “dissolved.” It’s a document keeping tabs on a report an media outlet put out, which again, clearly shows a high level of interest from them. It states that “U.S. intelligence obtained a 250-page file on the attack by a UFO on a military unit in Siberia,” and it goes on to describe something extraordinary: The file contains not only many documentary photographs and drawings, but also testimonies by actual participants in the events. One of the CIA representatives referred to this case as “a horrific picture of revenge on the part of extraterrestrial creatures, a picture that makes one’s blood freeze.”
According to the KGB materials, a quite low-flying spaceship in the shape of a saucer appeared above a military unit that was conducting routine training maneuvers. For unknown reasons, somebody unexpectedly launched a surface-to-air missile and hit the UFO. It fell to Earth not far away, and five short humanoids with “large heads and large black eyes” emerged from it.
It is stated in the testimonies by the two soldiers who remained alive that, after freeing themselves from the debris, the aliens came close together and then “merged into a single object that acquired a spherical shape.” That object began to buzz and hiss sharply, and then became a brilliant white. In a few seconds, the spheres grew much bigger and exploded by flaring up with an extrememly bright light. At that very instant, 23 soldiers who had watched the phenomenon turned into… stone poles. Only two soldiers who stood in the shade and were less exposed to the luminous explosion survived. The document then goes on to state: The KGB report goes on to say that the remains of the UFO and the “Petrified Soldiers” were transferred to a secret scientific research institution near Moscow. Specialists assume that a source of energy that is still unknown to Earthlings instantly changed the structure of the soldiers’ living organisms, having transformed it into a substance whose molecular composition is no different from that of limestone.
The document ends with a comment from a CIA representative, who said, “If the KGB file corresponds to reality, this is an extremely menacing case. The aliens possess such weapons and technology that go beyond all our assumptions. They can stand up for themselves if attacked.” Quite remarkable, isn’t it? This isn’t the only story of retaliation with regards to what happens when our agencies encounter a UFO. Yet, in every instance, we are the instigators. Something to think about. CONTINUE READING: www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/25/us-obtains-russian-kgb-file-about-a-ufo-5-short-humanoids-with-large-heads-that-emerged-from-it/
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Post by Steve on Sept 26, 2017 1:36:04 GMT -6
Interesting story if it was true. I am sure the Russians spread false story's by the hundreds every day now. Polishing their skills on UFO believers first before the coming 2018 elections? So sorry if I seem skeptical.
Were the 'Aliens' retaliating? Looks to me like they all decided to kill themselves than be marooned on a savage planet. The craft that was brought down destroyed too? Seeems not. But perhaps it was of anything of value.
There have been case story's in Mufon files that seem to disappear (think due to clumsiness on Mufons part) from their archives of similar UFO's watching military maneuvers in Fort Campbell, Kentucky. The close encounter there reportedly in the 1980's (solder touching object landed) but no entity's seen, had a more happy outcome with no one apparently hurt happily.
Contact info, investigators names.... redacted.
Short Description of UFO Event: This event was seen by a whole army div. and thousands of people in the nearby area. some of the beings are not good.
Detailed Description of the UFO Event: In 1981 either in the spring or the fall it has been so long. I still remember fairly clear what had happened one night at ftcky. The 101 Airborne.Div..had a division exercise and about 28,000 participated. We received a radio call from division HQ that we are halting the exercise and observe the sky for unusual objects. We have been notified that the object is unidentifiable. We were asked to mark our watches and monitor time loss. After the event we should examine our selves for puncture wounds in the nape of our necks and behind the ear lobes. Not long after that about 1 minute a large object appeared in the sky I could not see it at first. It appeared like all the other other stars. The radio operator whom I will not reveal his name from Long Island Ny. and the company commander a capt. who was my age 24 years old at the time, whom I will not reveal his name pointed out the object. It grew bigger and bigger and appeared to be approximately 2000 ft. up. One object turned into 4 maybe 5 smaller objects. They were discs and they came from the larger object. Now I can't figure out if the larger object was a cylinder or a larger disc because of the angle and position it was in. The smaller disc as I recall glowed green on one side and orange on the other. They flew faster than any earth bound vehicle and could stop on a dime, a very sudden stop no coasting. These discs wanted to be seen obviously with bright colors and it appeared that the were flying in a pattern to triangulate the entire div. and then they stopped and spread quickly to various points. One of the silver discs stopped maybe 150 meters away from my company. I immediately asked the company commander, I volunteer to go forward and make contact. I will be peaceful and show no hostility. He said Doc I need to get that cleared. He radioed division .Hq and they said proceed with caution make note of any markings and observe for any life forms inside. The company commander told me Doc you don't have to do this. I said Sir I have to do this we have an opportunity to meet someone from another world. I ran forward hoping this object would not leave before I could make contact. I stood before this disc that appeared to be silver now not showing what I will term its battle colors green and orange. I carried a 45 calb. pistol as I was a senior combat medic rank E5. I was also wearing my battle dress to include the laser tag equipment used in training. I approached the first time and waved with my hand and held the position waving as the satellite with the man and the woman on it (voyager). I felt maybe some other life forms had seen us from that satellite. I could not see any movement and thought maybe it's my gear. I ran back and dropped my gear at the capstan's. feet and told him to keep my 45 pistol I might be gone a long time and tell my parent I love them if this happens. He said Doc you need to stay here , I don't feel good about this. I said Sir if I make contact do you want to approach me or do I bring them to you or do you send one of your lieutenants out. He paused as if he did not want to respond. Then he said we will cross that bridge when it happens. I then jogged eagerly back to the silver disc and with 2 canteens in hand, some C rations in my pocket I offered food and drink to this flying disc. no response. I had no weapons on me. I was nearly defenseless and I recall while running out there the second time I new I was not going to get any help from the 90 or so men who were now in my background a 150 meters away from me. It was me, against this disc. I also knew they would probably leave the others alone. My job as a combat medic was to protect the men on health issues and protect wounded from the enemy. I was 12 inches away from this disc. it was silver like flexible foil. It was Quiet never made a sound and hovered about 5' (ft) from the ground . I stood 5'11 inches 186 pounds in those days. I was literally nose to nose with this disc. I saw it to be flat on the bottom and contoured to the top with a small dome on top. no markings of any kind . I think I remember portals on the dome on top of the ship. I saw no one I walked 3/4s around this ship. no contact. I looked onward to my company who seemed very far away at this point. then I became extremely concerned in my spirit. What use to be courage almost became fear and a warning, almost as if some one was talking to me. I was being told to leave quickly that this was not normal and I was in harms way. It was as if my spirit warned me perhaps God warned me, or may be something in the disc warned me. I then walked quickly around and then faced the front position that I started in at the disc and waved one more time. No response and then with some fear about me I jogged in a zigzag pattern back to my company. I did not want the occupants on board to think I was scared or let them think they had advantage over me. I could feel a presence and I sent a I am not scared presence back. It was for lesser words animal instinct being used by both parties in my opinion. After I got back I said to the captain, I tried but they do not want to communicate and quite frankly I am scared sir. the company commander said to me you are not alone Doc look around you. Every man around us was praying to God. I knelt with one knee to the ground near the men facing as bold as I could and prayed 'God make this thing go away, this disc is not of good nature, protect us. not more than 5 seconds latter this disc moved back as I left it , dipped down moved like a zig zag and straight out and up to the larger ship it went. all the other discs left at the same time.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- We were debriefed by I believe by an air force capt. who said he was with information / foreign technology. He asked me if I saw any markings chin se or Russian. I said no none. He asked me if it made sound, I said none, did I see anybody , no I saw no one. He said we saw a bonified UFO and the discs were not of earthly origin. He also told us that one of the discs halted an air force C130 aircraft when it was taking off 2 feet from the ground at ftcky air strip. It drained the aircraft of energy and set it on the ground. He also said the gov. wanted to reopen project Blue book because of the event. He then said he had no more time for us as he had to interview another company that had an experience that night. I asked what happened and he replied to all of us that is not up for discussion here. I asked the air force debrief if we could talk about this. He said we could to anyone for the rest of our lives. he said the us gov. was real interested in this event.
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Now, two weeks latter we were in the field training and one of the sergeants showed me with night vision goggles, you could see for miles when the laser tag mechanism was fired. I said that's why they came down. They thought we had laser guns. Its a good thing I took off all my equipment. Then the Sergeant turned to me and said Doc I heard a rumor that 3 men in another company were taken off of the ground and sent back striped of gear and clothing. 2 were dead and one got committed to the hospital crazy bin. He also said I was either crazy or the bravest medic he had ever seen.
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Post by jcurio on Sept 26, 2017 9:59:51 GMT -6
We received a radio call from division HQ that we are halting the exercise and observe the sky for unusual objects. We have been notified that the object is unidentifiable. We were asked to mark our watches and monitor time loss. After the event we should examine our selves for puncture wounds in the nape of our necks and behind the ear lobes. Not long after that about 1 minute a large object appeared in the sky I could not see it at first. It appeared like all the other other stars. Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/thread/3707/russia-ufos#ixzz4tniB1Ei7********* Really creepy story (for more than the reasons posted above). First of all, "incoming" detected by military radar, and everyone just stays there and waits for next orders..... We all know that the military personnel and their families have been "guinea pigs". Will we ever know to what extent? How do some families survive this? Etc, etc. And those that survive, how many remember the number of events that they were "involved in", much less remember At ALL.
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Post by Steve on Oct 3, 2017 4:51:20 GMT -6
I was hoping someone would notice that.
One line in the report that bothers me about the story's credibility though is "In 1981 either in the spring or the fall it has been so long". Like I have so many significant events in my life to confuse me enough to even remember even the date I physically touched a UFO? Even that far back? He can remember the dates when his kids were born can't he? Sure he can probably remember when and where he got laid his first time. Just slipped his mind. No, no....we don't want anyone to be able to cross check facts with all those other witnesses do we?
Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/post/71826/edit#ixzz4uRQckwiv Steven
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Post by jcurio on Oct 3, 2017 15:24:02 GMT -6
I was hoping someone would notice that.
One line in the report that bothers me about the story's credibility though is "In 1981 either in the spring or the fall it has been so long". Like I have so many significant events in my life to confuse me enough to even remember even the date I physically touched a UFO? Even that far back? He can remember the dates when his kids were born can't he? Sure he can probably remember when and where he got laid his first time. Just slipped his mind. No, no....we don't want anyone to be able to cross check facts with all those other witnesses do we?
Read more: theedgeofreality.proboards.com/post/71826/edit#ixzz4uRQckwiv Steven Nah. "They" DO mess with our memory, though. Kind of surprising that this guy could even recall the year; much less the whole event. I even bet that when his mind "comes up" with the year 1981 (whatever year), this guys mind does some "inner squinting", trying to figure out for himself WHY he can't remember Spring or Fall..... shrugs his inner shoulders, because he has TRIED to figure out this anomaly before...... why doesn't the guy just say, "I think """they"""" messed with my recall on the date"? An extra unbelievable detail?? No, he just says "it was so long ago". Of course he remembers his kid's birth dates; etc. The other thing "off" to me (and people have expounded on this many times) is the "compartmentalizations" of different events at different military establishments. You know, like some soldiers were already "exchanged", on another planet, with the program? By the 80s, weren't soldiers whispering among each other? Telling their family awkward " bits" that made no sense until much later? Not even to themselves. We can't even get our stories straight. "Someone" has really perfected that "compartmentalization" of memory. And even if it isnt perfected, the "flaws" in it work just as well (minus a few great minds turned to mush). Doesn't 80s, early 90s "ring true" for this kind of shenanigans? And, I imagine this particular soldier (among others) has had quite a few weird experiences (whether he remembers them or not). He's been "tested" (by everybody. Human, non human, friendly, unfriendly). The praying part? WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF MOST REPORTS. Guarantee THAT. Why he could " freely " talk about such event (when able to do so) is petty. Who would believe it? Any of it. I'm even willing to bet that the first few times he talked about it, he accidentally totally left out the "praying part". So, when he remembers that part, people think that he's adding stuff in,,,,,etc. Again, thank you for sharing this event. In time, it WILL become more "clear", if it is meant to. I guarantee you that other people have some "recollections" of this event, but sure don't want to.... much less talk about it (and other super weird events). "Religion" ideas will constantly screw humanity on a regular basis. Even the so-called Saints. Never forget who was constantly following Jesus and the disciples around, waiting for that chance to possibly "shut them up for good". Never, never quite getting it that "shutting Him up for good" was for everybody's good. He ONLY HAD to speak just enough..... 😁
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Post by auntym on Jan 15, 2020 16:21:25 GMT -6
mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/01/ufos-russia-he-should-not-ask-questions/ UFOs & Russia: “He Should Not Ask Questions”by Nick Redfern / mysteriousuniverse.org/author/nredfern/ January 14, 2020 Of the severalthousand pages on UFOs that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has declassified into the public domain, very few make any kind of deep reference to encounters with a U.K. connection attached to them. There is, however, one case in particular that really stands out. It is dated November 18, 1976. The one-page-long report is titled “Aerial Observation of Intense Source of Light.” An interesting title, to say the very least. It is a document that was prepared by the CIA’s Domestic Collection Division. The report starts as follows: “An unusual incident was observed during a 10 September 1976 British European Airways (BEA) flight (number 831) Moscow to London. Between 1800 and 1900 hours, the aircraft was cruising at an altitude of approximately 33 thousand feet (9,900 meters), apparently inside the border of Lithuania, when a blinding light was observed off the starboard flight path of the aircraft.” The CIA continued: “The light’s distance was estimated to be approximately 10 to 15 miles (16 to 24 kilometers) off of the aircraft’s path and approximately five to six thousand feet (1,500 to 1,800 meters) below the aircraft, somewhat above a lower cloud layer. The light, which resembled a sodium vapor lamp (yellowish in color), and which was too intense to view directly for any period of time, completely lit the top of the lower cloud layer, giving it a glowing cast.” The CIA writer of the once-classified report had more to report: “The light was of such interest that the BEA pilot came onto the aircraft’s intercom network, stated that he was somewhat concerned over its presence, and said he had asked the Soviet authorities for an identification of its source. The Soviet authorities came back with a negative identification response, suggesting that he should not ask questions. The light was observed for approximately 10 to 15 minutes, until the aircraft had flown past and left the light source behind.” And, that’s where the report ends. So, what was the source of the strange light? The fact that the details of the encounter were logged in the CIA’s UFO files makes sense. It is important to note, though, that just because the report was filed under “UFOs,” doesn’t mean that the crew of Flight 831 encountered something extraterrestrial. I would suggest that the most important line in the whole document is the one that reads like this: “The Soviet authorities came back with a negative identification response, suggesting that he should not ask questions [italics mine].” This suggests – to me, at least – that while the crew of the British European Airways plane were baffled by what they had seen, the Russians may have known exactly what they had seen. Now, let’s move onto something that may have relevance to that 1976 incident. Don’t ask questions. In 1999, Gerald K. Haines – in his position as the historian of the National Reconnaissance Office – wrote a paper titled “CIA’s Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-90.” It’s now in the public domain, thanks to the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act. It can be read at the CIA’s website. Haines’ paper detailed the history of how, and why, the CIA became interested and involved in the phenomenon of UFOs. Although Haines covered a period of more than forty years, I will bring your attention to one particular section of his paper, which is focused on the 1970s-1980s. Haines wrote: “During the late 1970s and 1980s, the Agency continued its low-key interest in UFOs and UFO sightings. While most scientists now dismissed flying saucers reports as a quaint part of the 1950s and 1960s, some in the Agency and in the Intelligence Community shifted their interest to studying parapsychology and psychic phenomena associated with UFO sightings. CIA officials also looked at the UFO problem to determine what UFO sightings might tell them about Soviet progress in rockets and missiles and reviewed its counterintelligence aspects [italics mine].” Perhaps that mysterious “light” was some kind of Russian device, the very kind that fell into the category Gerald Haines referred to. Namely, something that was perceived as a UFO, but which was actually a secret Soviet vehicle. mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/01/ufos-russia-he-should-not-ask-questions/
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